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Jacoby Jones has re-signed with Houston

blogkimmy said:
Same chit, different season! This is ridiculous.
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yep, my thoughts exactly.

But completely expected. It's Kubiak's trademark cronyism.

Yeah, it can be rationalized away with a myriad of excuses, but to me it looks like the same old commitment to perpetual mediocrity that we've always seen from this FO. I've never been impressed with JJ's potential, which is all his supporters have to cling to year after year.

Do something to improve the talent. Resigning this hot dogger is not it. We can just hope that status quo remains with this offense, but there are never any guarantees year to year.

Feel free to disagree. Just know that the only thing that will alter my opinion is JJ actually proving himself to be a consistent player on the field. History is on my side of the fence with this one. For the sake of our team, I hope that I am proven wrong.
 
DocBar said:
By unique set of skills, do you mean running sloppy routes, dropping easy passes and not putting in the work to improve yourself?
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Now we're in agreement Doc Bar. :fingergun:

And I don't get why anyone would call this a "good signing". Sure, it might not be a lot committed salary wise or with guaranteed money, but this means that the Texans are not going to go after any other potential guys that could actually upgrade the #2 WR position. Sure, that might not be the biggest need here or a need at all I guess, but if we're not going to improve the defense significantly in free agency than might as well do it in other areas if possible. In an off season where the front office has stated they're going to be so aggressive in free agency, they sure have had a slow start compared to other teams who seem to be a lot more consistent in improving their teams in the off season.

JJ is like that cool electronic device that you get at the store that is fun to play with when it works but breaks all of the damn time making it cheap and useless for the most part.
 
Some will like the signing....some will hate it.
I like his playmaking abilities on punt returns.

I think he stepped his game up when Dre went down last year. He ended up with 51 catches for the year. He matured and has not had any off field issues.



I also like the resigning of Butler at Offensive Tackle backup as well........
 
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Texecutioner said:
Now we're in agreement Doc Bar. :fingergun:

And I don't get why anyone would call this a "good signing". Sure, it might not be a lot committed salary wise or with guaranteed money, but this means that the Texans are not going to go after any other potential guys that could actually upgrade the #2 WR position. Sure, that might not be the biggest need here or a need at all I guess, but if we're not going to improve the defense significantly in free agency than might as well do it in other areas if possible. In an off season where the front office has stated they're going to be so aggressive in free agency, they sure have had a slow start compared to other teams who seem to be a lot more consistent in improving their teams in the off season.

JJ is like that cool electronic device that you get at the store that is fun to play with when it works but breaks all of the damn time making it cheap and useless for the most part.
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Will wonders never cease? LOL
I think I need to get a Cowher Power sig or avatar cuz it sure looks like Smithiak is going out with a whimper.
 
JCTexan said:
They can't really sign a free agent until friday anyway so I don't see a problem with them signing the guys they want to keep on this team.
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Cause most of us would like to see put JJ up for trade or simply find a better secondary receiver to Andre other than JJ/Walter.. There are a lot of good 1-3 year guys we could pick up that would make it a lot harder to just ignore and double AJ all day long. I think a lot of baggage guys might be happy here with our passing offense as everyone gets a look.

- Roy Williams
- Chad Johnson
- TO
- Sidney Rice
- Mike Williams
- Mike Sim-Walker
 
silvrhand said:
Cause most of us would like to see put JJ up for trade or simply find a better secondary receiver to Andre other than JJ/Walter.. There are a lot of good 1-3 year guys we could pick up that would make it a lot harder to just ignore and double AJ all day long. I think a lot of baggage guys might be happy here with our passing offense as everyone gets a look.
lot of baggage guys might be happy here with our passing offense as everyone gets a look.



- Roy Williams
- Chad Johnson
- TO
- Sidney Rice
- Mike Williams
- Mike Sim-Walker
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- Roy Williams
- Chad Johnson
- TO
- Sidney Rice
- Mike Williams
- Mike Sim-Walker
Are you serious? Ochocinco and TO would be the only significant upgrades, but at what cost in terms of cap hit and just being a pain in the ass? As I stated earlier, I'd like to see what Dickerson can do. I also wouldn't mind seeing OD move to WR and let Dreesen be the #1 TE.
 
DocBar said:
- Roy Williams
- Chad Johnson
- TO
- Sidney Rice
- Mike Williams
- Mike Sim-Walker
Are you serious? Ochocinco and TO would be the only significant upgrades, but at what cost in terms of cap hit and just being a pain in the ass? As I stated earlier, I'd like to see what Dickerson can do. I also wouldn't mind seeing OD move to WR and let Dreesen be the #1 TE.
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Sorry I'm tired of experiments, let's put people that have experience in the positions that they've played and excelled at.

Sign any of those guys to a 1 year contract and see if it works out if it doesn't dump them like a bad habit.
 
silvrhand said:
Sorry I'm tired of experiments, let's put people that have experience in the positions that they've played and excelled at.

Sign any of those guys to a 1 year contract and see if it works out if it doesn't dump them like a bad habit.
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There is no question about Mike Williams. He sucks.
There is no question about Roy Williams. He sucks unless playing the Texans.
There are all kinds of questions about TO. Most think he's outta gas.
There are no questions about Ochocino. He's talented, but a pain in the ass and a distraction of epic proportions.
There are all kinds of questions about Sidney Rice. He's proven to be injury prone.
There are questions about Mike Sims-Walker. He's the Jags version of JJ.
Signing any one of these guys would be an experiment that's likely to fail badly. If the Texans had a stronger HC and team leadership ( a Bagwell or Biggio type of clubhouse leader), I could see Ochocinco coming to town. We don't have that.
 
DocBar said:
There is no question about Mike Williams. He sucks.
There is no question about Roy Williams. He sucks unless playing the Texans.
There are all kinds of questions about TO. Most think he's outta gas.
There are no questions about Ochocino. He's talented, but a pain in the ass and a distraction of epic proportions.
There are all kinds of questions about Sidney Rice. He's proven to be injury prone.
There are questions about Mike Sims-Walker. He's the Jags version of JJ.
Signing any one of these guys would be an experiment that's likely to fail badly. If the Texans had a stronger HC and team leadership ( a Bagwell or Biggio type of clubhouse leader), I could see Ochocinco coming to town. We don't have that.
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Sydney Rice is capable of being a top WR in this league Doc. He has height and he is ridiculously talented. He just had on bad injury just like tons of players. I agree with most of the rest of the guys on the list.
 
DocBar said:
There is no question about Mike Williams. He sucks.
There is no question about Roy Williams. He sucks unless playing the Texans.
There are all kinds of questions about TO. Most think he's outta gas.
There are no questions about Ochocino. He's talented, but a pain in the ass and a distraction of epic proportions.
There are all kinds of questions about Sidney Rice. He's proven to be injury prone.
There are questions about Mike Sims-Walker. He's the Jags version of JJ.
Signing any one of these guys would be an experiment that's likely to fail badly. If the Texans had a stronger HC and team leadership ( a Bagwell or Biggio type of clubhouse leader), I could see Ochocinco coming to town. We don't have that.
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Furthermore, TO underwent ACL tear repair (for an off-season injury) the beginning of this past June. Hang it up for this year at very least.
 
Texecutioner said:
Sydney Rice is capable of being a top WR in this league Doc. He has height and he is ridiculously talented. He just had on bad injury just like tons of players. I agree with most of the rest of the guys on the list.
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I agree that he's a very good talent, but his 1st 2 seasons with Minnesota were injury plagued as well, weren't they? How well will he return from the hip injury? Maybe CND can chime in on that injury.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Furthermore, TO underwent ACL tear repair (for an off-season injury) the beginning of this past June. Hang it up for this year at very least.
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TO can still play at a very high level, but with that surgery his season will be in doubt. And with his age, I just don't see him returning to being that productive. Even at full health I'd never welcome him to any team I root for. He can erupt at any time and when he erupts over and over he causes way more problems than the average player who gets frustrated.
 
JCTexan said:
They can't really sign a free agent until friday anyway so I don't see a problem with them signing the guys they want to keep on this team.
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I just do not ever bank on much with Gary and Smith running the show.
 
Texecutioner said:
Now we're in agreement Doc Bar. :fingergun:

And I don't get why anyone would call this a "good signing". Sure, it might not be a lot committed salary wise or with guaranteed money, but this means that the Texans are not going to go after any other potential guys that could actually upgrade the #2 WR position. Sure, that might not be the biggest need here or a need at all I guess, but if we're not going to improve the defense significantly in free agency than might as well do it in other areas if possible. In an off season where the front office has stated they're going to be so aggressive in free agency, they sure have had a slow start compared to other teams who seem to be a lot more consistent in improving their teams in the off season.

JJ is like that cool electronic device that you get at the store that is fun to play with when it works but breaks all of the damn time making it cheap and useless for the most part.
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Texans fans are so accustomed to bad signings that they look at a bad signing that doesn't do too much damage and that's easy to get out of (only $3 million guaranteed) as a "good signing". It's sad really. When I listen to Texans fans I hear people who have become accustomed to lowered expectations and a team that never delivers. I've been around since the start and thinking of the dreams of 2002 it's hard to accept where we are now.
 
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I like it. He is clutch. He has made some really tough catches and if he can pull it all together can really be a great, explosive player. He must break the cycle of dropping the easy passes and making the amazing catches later on.
 
Nice photoshops Herv. Can you do one of the guy crawling through the **** tubes and have him say something like, 'well it beats going through another 8-8 season'?
 
i dont mind re-signing jacoby for the same reason i wouldnt mind holding onto slaton. in the right roles they're extraordinary weapons. then again, when do we use anyone properly? they're also dirt cheap.

jacoby is a 1st and 2nd down, between the 20's playmaker. slaton is a 3rd down draw, screen, motion, or dump playmaker (and usually a decent pass blocker). i doubt jacoby will ever "get his head screwed on straight" and he's never going to have good hands, but if used instead of walter on early downs he is a true threat with our play action and bootlegs, and a way to influence safeties away from both arian and andre. his threat and our play action does more for our run game than walter's blocking and consistency in my opinion.

if we continue to see jacoby on third down and in the redzone, this is a terrible signing unless a trade is on the horizon.
 
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silvrhand said:
Cause most of us would like to see put JJ up for trade or simply find a better secondary receiver to Andre other than JJ/Walter.. There are a lot of good 1-3 year guys we could pick up that would make it a lot harder to just ignore and double AJ all day long.
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Is AJ really being doubled that bad?

he's always a top ten receiver.
 
Scooter said:
if we continue to see jacoby on third down and in the redzone, this is a terrible signing unless a trade is on the horizon.
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I'm not following the logic behind Jones not used in the red zone. Jacoby has 9 TDs in 96 career receptions. That ratio (10.7 catches/TD) is the best on the Texans.
 
Lucky said:
I'm not following the logic behind Jones not used in the red zone. Jacoby has 9 TDs in 96 career receptions. That ratio (10.7 catches/TD) is the best on the Texans.
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logic rules ... jacoby jones is a better redzone target than andre johnson.
 
thunderkyss said:
It's not like we're targeting Andre in the Red Zone either.
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which is exceptionally unfortunate and goes to what i said earlier about not using our players properly. we use andre as a decoy or blocker in the redzone more often than not - in order for jacoby to drop a touchdown or a 1.5yd run or anderson to get crushed on a no-gainer. i believe last season andre in a mic'd up segment said he released from a blocking assignment for a touchdown reception.

plays in the redzone should be designed to open up for andre. not for andre to open up for everybody else.
 
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Anyone on here knows that I've been an advocate for upgrading the WR position for some time but I have to give credit when it's due. Especially when you consider how the WR position can be a diva position and how we always here how some players never seem to get their act together and how our organization is such a bad group to deal with. Jacoby shows maturity in this quote and I think it speaks well for our organization when we are trying to court one of the top FAs in this year's class.

"I wanted to stay," he said. "I told my agent (Kennard McGuire) I wanted to stay. I didn't give one bit of thought to leaving.

"These guys had my back when I had off-the-field issues my second year. They stood behind me and supported me, and I wanted to be back with them. I'm very excited about what we can do this season."
By re-signing Jones, the Texans don't have to make replacing him a priority.

By re-signing Jones, the Texans don't have to make replacing him a priority.

"I want to make plays any way I can - as a receiver or returning kickoffs and punts," Jones said. "I like to have the ball in my hands."
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Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7672795.html#ixzz1TPCOJ9Iu
 
Scooter said:
logic rules ... jacoby jones is a better redzone target than andre johnson.
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I would think that it's because you have a short field and 2-3 guys draped all over AJ. It only makes sense to throw to the guys who are wide open. Teams aren't going to let AJ beat us andhe simply can't be single covered by anyone not named Revis.
 
Lucky said:
I'm not following the logic behind Jones not used in the red zone. Jacoby has 9 TDs in 96 career receptions. That ratio (10.7 catches/TD) is the best on the Texans.
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I just see all the times the ball goes right through his hands when he's in traffic in the end-zone. I think he has a problem locating the ball when there are lots of people around.
 
DocBar said:
I would think that it's because you have a short field and 2-3 guys draped all over AJ. It only makes sense to throw to the guys who are wide open. Teams aren't going to let AJ beat us and he simply can't be single covered by anyone not named Revis.
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yup, but AJ doesn't make jacoby a more legit target than anyone else on the roster. those situations are for scheme and our "hands" team ... andre, walter, anderson, daniels, casey - and hopefully dorin dickerson. jacoby is a separation and run after the catch receiver who excels in creating and exploiting space. to suggest otherwise would be silly.

jacoby is worth keeping and in 40 catches could have 700yds and 11 touchdowns if used as the homerun first 2 downs opposite andre. walter is an ideal #2 any time we go 3 receiver and is the leader in short yardage situations.

i forget which game, but 2010 scenario - we use walter as an easily covered post route against andre undeneath in a max-pro play action (thrown away), and on 3rd down a 7 yard out to jacoby that is obviously a botched route (overthrown). swap 2 players on that series and how do you feel about the results of each play?
 
Scooter said:
yup, but AJ doesn't make jacoby a more legit target than anyone else on the roster. those situations are for scheme and our "hands" team ... andre, walter, anderson, daniels, casey - and hopefully dorin dickerson. jacoby is a separation and run after the catch receiver who excels in creating and exploiting space. to suggest otherwise would be silly.
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AJ makes anyone not named AJ a better target because they are garaunteed to be single covered. Of course you scheme for that and have your "hands team" on the field for. I contend that JJ shouldn't be on a "hands team" because his "hands" are not reliable.

jacoby is worth keeping and in 40 catches could have 700yds and 11 touchdowns if used as the homerun first 2 downs opposite andre. walter is an ideal #2 any time we go 3 receiver and is the leader in short yardage situations.
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Here we go talking about "potential" again. It's always the same. JJ could do this, do that, do the other. The problem is that he only does a tantalizing part of it. For every spectacular play he makes, there are 2 or 3 bad one ones.

i forget which game, but 2010 scenario - we use walter as an easily covered post route against andre undeneath in a max-pro play action (thrown away), and on 3rd down a 7 yard out to jacoby that is obviously a botched route (overthrown). swap 2 players on that series and how do you feel about the results of each play?
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A touchdown, of course. LOL :specnatz:
 
Scooter said:
yup, but AJ doesn't make jacoby a more legit target than anyone else on the roster. those situations are for scheme and our "hands" team ... andre, walter, anderson, daniels, casey - and hopefully dorin dickerson. jacoby is a separation and run after the catch receiver who excels in creating and exploiting space. to suggest otherwise would be silly.

jacoby is worth keeping and in 40 catches could have 700yds and 11 touchdowns if used as the homerun first 2 downs opposite andre. walter is an ideal #2 any time we go 3 receiver and is the leader in short yardage situations.

i forget which game, but 2010 scenario - we use walter as an easily covered post route against andre undeneath in a max-pro play action (thrown away), and on 3rd down a 7 yard out to jacoby that is obviously a botched route (overthrown). swap 2 players on that series and how do you feel about the results of each play?
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Very good analysis.
 
Unlike a majority here, I am pleased with the deal, which is very modest money for a vet with decent playmaking ability. I didn't mind seeing Gaffney leave, but I would have missed JJ if he left for this money.

In JJ, I see a kid out of Lane College who, when drafted was immature and certainly facing an uphill climb to hone his craft to an NFL level. Most receivers take a 2-3 year learning curb. Combining the his collegiate handicap and the fact he's been the 4th or 5th man on a very good receiving corp, his growth has to be considered stunted, so I believe his best years are due and soon.

He's shown maturity as of late.
He's got SWAGGER.
He's a playmaker.

I truly believe you have to have had patience with this prospect and despite those nagging drops we are quick to bring up, these are things that can be trained for improvement(Sydney Rice). There's no arguing his upside, but at the same token no need to play his downside as if he's only provided value that would compare to say Amobi, who's been afforded MUCH more opportunity for growth and success. Unlike I am for Amobi, I'm not ready to turn my back on JJ.

Here's hoping that this is the best $3 mill spent this year....

God Bless JJ and God Bless the Houston Texans!

Most of all, God Bless the pathetic fans... talk about deserving!
 
DocBar said:
Do you really detest the Texans as much as you seem to?
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No, of course not. If I detested them as much as I seem to then I'd not bother keeping up with them. I'm just having a little fun. Certainly the Texans & my fellow fans aren't above having their noses tweaked a little bit. Like every single poster here I'm desperate to see them break through and deliver. I'd like nothing better than to eat my words about the team and everyone associated who I complain about.

Surely you're familiar with the act of K'vetching?
 
Hervoyel said:
No, of course not. If I detested them as much as I seem to then I'd not bother keeping up with them. I'm just having a little fun. Certainly the Texans & my fellow fans aren't above having their noses tweaked a little bit. Like every single poster here I'm desperate to see them break through and deliver. I'd like nothing better than to eat my words about the team and everyone associated who I complain about.

Surely you're familiar with the act of K'vetching?
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That like Planking?
 
Scooter said:
i dont mind re-signing jacoby for the same reason i wouldnt mind holding onto slaton. in the right roles they're extraordinary weapons. then again, when do we use anyone properly? they're also dirt cheap.

jacoby is a 1st and 2nd down, between the 20's playmaker. slaton is a 3rd down draw, screen, motion, or dump playmaker (and usually a decent pass blocker). i doubt jacoby will ever "get his head screwed on straight" and he's never going to have good hands, but if used instead of walter on early downs he is a true threat with our play action and bootlegs, and a way to influence safeties away from both arian and andre. his threat and our play action does more for our run game than walter's blocking and consistency in my opinion.

if we continue to see jacoby on third down and in the redzone, this is a terrible signing unless a trade is on the horizon.
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JJ looked pretty good last season catching a pass from Matt for two points.
 
JJ has an absloute TON of potential. Key word here is potential. But, if he can deliver on half to 3/4s of it, this is a good signing. If JJ actually develops into what he has the talent to do, it will be awsome.

It's just that JJ brings a lot of "If"'s to the table is all.
 
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