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The Nnamdi Asomugha Thread

Ole Miss Texan said:
Pass rushers have more effect on a game than cornerbacks. All else equal I'd rather have a studly DL than Secondary. We can afford Aso, it's just a matter how badly he wants to play for the Jets.
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Not when you're talking about a pass rusher who is just good versus a CB who is arguably an all time great. Mario Williams isn't remotely as impactful as Aso is as a defensive player. They're not even in the same ball park.
 
Section516 said:
Don't know either of these people..Could just be random people.

e_man Erik Manassy
“@JennyVrentas: Following up, Asomugha is ahead of Edwards on Jets priority list right now. But team has to make a decision on how to handle
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That's a pretty big "No Duh" statement though since Braylon Edwards is crap compared to Holmes.

Lots of Jets fans are stating that by re-structuring Mark "The Medicore Mexican" Sanchez and David Harris that they will free up enough room to re-sign Holmes and grab Aso. I still think that since the Jets re-signed Aso that even if he were to play for a discout they still wouldn't be able to get him but who knows. Their GM, Tannenbaum has been a master of the cap for years now.
 
Texecutioner said:
Not when you're talking about a pass rusher who is just good versus a CB who is arguably an all time great. Mario Williams isn't remotely as impactful as Aso is as a defensive player. They're not even in the same ball park.
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You've got to consider the symbiotic relationship between the two positions. A good secondary leads to more sacks and a good pass rush leads to better pass defense and more int's and passes defensed. It's kinda like the chicken and egg thing.
 
steelbtexan said:
They are not disregarding the cap. They are better at manipulating it.

The Texans need to take lessons on cap management from the Jets. They seem to always be up against the cap. But sign atleast 1 FA, or trade for an impact player every yr.

The Texans need to fire Rick if he cant figure out how to play with the big boys.
Unless Rick has a mandate from Billionaire Bobby not to spend major $$$$ in FA.

The jets are movers and shakers. While Billionaire BoBBY doesn't want to do anything traumatic. Those 2 AFC Championship game with a young QB sure do look sweet. Does anybody else see the difference between the 2 teams and why one wins and the other is just hoping and praying they can make the playoffs.

That and the fact great players want to play for Rex and dont want to play for Gary.
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That will be the biggest reason if Aso goes to the Jets. A legit shot at the Super Bowl is a close second
 
b0ng said:
That's a pretty big "No Duh" statement though since Braylon Edwards is crap compared to Holmes.

Lots of Jets fans are stating that by re-structuring Mark "The Medicore Mexican" Sanchez and David Harris that they will free up enough room to re-sign Holmes and grab Aso. I still think that since the Jets re-signed Aso that even if he were to play for a discout they still wouldn't be able to get him but who knows. Their GM, Tannenbaum has been a master of the cap for years now.
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I swear the Jets are trying to be the Miami Heat of NFL, but I dont see the Jets signing Nmadi; Not enough cap room.
 
El Tejano said:
If you see analysts from ESPN and NFL Network knocking over their coffee cups and stuff on their desk with every turn they make, it will be because the New York Jets signed Aso and we will have to hear about it til the start of the next football season.
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Honestly I'd rather him go to the Cowboys than the Jets. They were already going on about how great it would be. There would be NO end to it.
 
Doppelganger said:
Ok. That's it. I think the Jets are gonna get Aso now. 24 mill is not that high of a number and Aso can be brought in as well.

Oh well, that was fun while it lasted.

Hopefully the Texans can switch gears and swoop in for Joseph.
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24 guaranteed is nothing to sneeze at, I'd say.
 
Doppelganger said:
Ok. That's it. I think the Jets are gonna get Aso now. 24 mill is not that high of a number and Aso can be brought in as well.

Oh well, that was fun while it lasted.

Hopefully the Texans can switch gears and swoop in for Joseph.
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Yep, turn out the lights on that ,party is over
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Honestly, I'd rather play in New York City than Houston if I was a professional athlete. And I grew up here in Houston. I don't think the "acting angle" is going to be any where close to a deciding factor but NYC easily has more draw than Houston. There's tons of movies and tv shows filmed at New York locations each week. Pretty easy for Nnamdi to take a cab 5 minutes during an off week, or an afternoon after practice for a short bit to be a cameo in some show. Plus he's so active in the community and public service things, I can easily see the appeal of how close other major cities are. The ability to go to DC and back so easily, for example. Houston is at a disadvantage in that sense.

I really really hope this becomes too tough for the Jets to accomplish. Sanchez can restructure his deal and he easily has the biggest effect on the cap this year. I think this is actually something the Jets can get done... I just hope we're offering enough to sway him here to Houston. If the Jets offer him $12.5M/ year, I hope we're offering $15M. And more guaranteed money. That's $10M more over a 4 year contract and that's some dough.
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NY has City and state income taxes as well, plus cost of living is much higher. So if he is really comparing apples to apples with the contracts, then Houston is actually offering much more "real" money.

But what we don't have is NYC and the "prestige" that goes along with it.
 
SI_PeterKing Peter King
RT @AdamSchefter: Santonio Holmes early numbers: 5 years, $50 million, including $24 million guaranteed ... Buh-bye Braylon.
 
Sick of hearing everyone slobber over the Jets anyway. The year before last, they literally needed teams to lie down for them to make the playoffs, and last year, they literally pulled like six wins out of their asses. They're not some irresistible force. It's why Pittsburgh humbled them in the Championship game.
 
Doppelganger said:
For you and me, no, but Santonio could have gotten 28-30. The fact that he took 4-6 less says he and Aso have been talking.
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Not necessarily. It could mean that he just likes being a Jet, and gave them a discount. It could mean any number of things, including an incorrect assumption that he could've gotten 28-30.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Sick of hearing everyone slobber over the Jets anyway. The year before last, they literally needed teams to lie down for them to make the playoffs, and last year, they literally pulled like six wins out of their asses. They're not some irresistible force. It's why Pittsburgh humbled them in the Championship game.
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It don't matter how ya got there, it's the fact that ya did get there.
 
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Santonio Holmes early numbers: 5 years, $50 million, including $24 million guaranteed, thought to be highest guarantee given to a WR.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Sick of hearing everyone slobber over the Jets anyway. The year before last, they literally needed teams to lie down for them to make the playoffs, and last year, they literally pulled like six wins out of their asses. They're not some irresistible force. It's why Pittsburgh humbled them in the Championship game.
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Hard to blame them

Big market team
Great head coach
entertaining style of play
 
TheMatrix31 said:
True, but you have to keep it in perspective and look closer to see what happened, is all I'm saying.
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I understand that and I do keep it it in mind. We could've gone to the playoffs in '09 if everyone hadn't laid down for the Jets. Or if we could've beaten them in game one. Or beaten the Cards or....you get the point.
 
Stemp said:
NY has City and state income taxes as well, plus cost of living is much higher. So if he is really comparing apples to apples with the contracts, then Houston is actually offering much more "real" money.

But what we don't have is NYC and the "prestige" that goes along with it.
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No doubt about it, I understand that completely. But that's never been publicly expressed as a reason a FA has come here vs. somewhere else that I can recall.

Allstar said:
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Santonio Holmes early numbers: 5 years, $50 million, including $24 million guaranteed, thought to be highest guarantee given to a WR.
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Andre Johnson's $48M would disagree...
 
The1ApplePie said:
Hard to blame them

Big market team
Great head coach
entertaining style of play
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As Texans fans we have a skewed perspective of the Jets. We just want to win at this point and would be happy with a playoff appearance.

From the perspective of perrenial playoff teams and their fans the Jets are a "me too" laughing stock. While we cry for a fiery coach like Ryans here he is no better than his dad, Wade Philips. Kubiak etc.....great co ordinators but horrible head coaches-personel guys.
 
TEXANRED said:
You don't think Aso is a little inflated by playing against the AFC West? Bronco's and Chiefs don't exactly burn the airways.
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No I dont

Chargers and Broncos had prolific passing games. Chief weren't terrible seeing as how Bowe was the only WR on the team worth a crap.

To stop Manning you need a Aso type CB. Looks like it's not going to happen.
 
DX-TEX said:
As Texans fans we have a skewed perspective of the Jets. We just want to win at this point and would be happy with a playoff appearance.

From the perspective of perrenial playoff teams and their fans the Jets are a "me too" laughing stock. While we cry for a fiery coach like Ryans here he is no better than his dad, Wade Philips. Kubiak etc.....great co ordinators but horrible head coaches-personel guys.
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You do know that Rex Ryan's dad is named Buddy right?
 
b0ng said:
You do know that Rex Ryan's dad is named Buddy right?
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And how much success did his dad have as a HC? About the same as Rex at this point. buddys greatest achievement was as the co nordinator of the '85 Bears defense. He was terrible in Philly and Arizona as a HC. Talked a hell of a game, loved by his players but made dumb personel moves and never could get over the hump.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Sick of hearing everyone slobber over the Jets anyway. The year before last, they literally needed teams to lie down for them to make the playoffs, and last year, they literally pulled like six wins out of their asses. They're not some irresistible force. It's why Pittsburgh humbled them in the Championship game.
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What you just described is called over achieving.

In Rex's first two seasons he has already gone to the AFC championship twice and been in nail biters both games almost winning them but coming up just short to two other teams that had already won SB's before in the Colts and Steelers. Beating the Pats in the playoffs last season was an accomplishment in itself. In just two off seasons Rex has brought in a ton of very good players to a team that was pretty damn bad just like the Texans are every off season. He's built up both sides of the ball with skill players and game changers. If Rex Ryan pulls off this deal to sign Aso, I'll have no problem calling this guy the best Gm in the league and he's only a coach. He does exactly what I've stated that Rick Smith has never been able to do which is to sell players around the league on his vision and their future dominance as a threat to compete for a SB for many years. I'd love to have a HC like Rex Ryan who obviously can turn a bad team around right away and continually put major pieces together to keep them in position to compete for a ring.

DX-TEX said:
As Texans fans we have a skewed perspective of the Jets. We just want to win at this point and would be happy with a playoff appearance.

From the perspective of perrenial playoff teams and their fans the Jets are a "me too" laughing stock. While we cry for a fiery coach like Ryans here he is no better than his dad, Wade Philips. Kubiak etc.....great co ordinators but horrible head coaches-personel guys.
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Man, this is just sour grapes on a guy who has had a ton of success on the field and in the off season at building his team. Hate on Rex all you want, but the man has built a winning team and is swinging for the fences just like any HC should who is committed to winning at all costs.
 
Allstar said:
What is your point? It's the highest guarantee given to a WR. What did you expect?
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The point is that people throw around 50 mill as if that number has any relevance towards caps. It doesn't. The number is 24, that is the number that has to be fit. If it is really 24 over 5 years that can be managed and manipulated much easier than say 30.

I hope I am wrong, but I see Aso in a Jets uniform.

And if I am wrong, I will publicly admit my error on the board.
 
DX-TEX said:
And how much success did his dad have as a HC? About the same as Rex at this point. buddys greatest achievement was as the co nordinator of the '85 Bears defense. He was terrible in Philly and Arizona as a HC. Talked a hell of a game, loved by his players but made dumb personel moves and never could get over the hump.
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He had a pretty good right cross, though.

Signed,
Kevin Gilbride
:slapfight:
 
according to whoever on twitter, the Jets are trying to seal the deal in the next 12-14 hours. Probably enough time for Aso to get an offer from Houston, bring our hopes up and then crush them like Leigh Bodden did last year.
 
Doppelganger said:
The point is that people throw around 50 mill as if that number has any relevance towards caps. It doesn't. The number is 24, that is the number that has to be fit. If it is really 24 over 5 years that can be managed and manipulated much easier than say 30.

I hope I am wrong, but I see Aso in a Jets uniform.

And if I am wrong, I will publicly admit my error on the board.
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Rest assured we'll be there to help you. :smooch:
 
DX-TEX said:
And how much success did his dad have as a HC? About the same as Rex at this point. buddys greatest achievement was as the co nordinator of the '85 Bears defense. He was terrible in Philly and Arizona as a HC.
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Two-straight AFC Championship Games isn't success? With a team that was garbage before Rex Ryan got there?

Wade Phillips, Norv Turner, and Josh McDaniels are examples of great coordinators becoming crap head coaches.

Rex can be an annyoing loudmouth, but his players love him and he attracts and developes talent.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
On NFLN, someone said that the Jets are trying to sign Nnamdi at JUST UNDER what they're paying Revis.
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Revis Contract said:
9/6/2010: Signed a four-year, $46 million contract. The deal contains $32.5 million guaranteed, including all of Revis' first two base salaries and an $18 million first-year option bonus. 2011: $6 million (+ $1 million roster bonus), 2012: $4.5 million (+ $3 million roster bonus), 2013: $3 million (+ $3 million roster bonus), 2014-2016: (Voidable Years) $3 million, 2017: Free Agent
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FWIW - http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4155/player?r=1

Let's assume this is the exact offer they extend to Nnamdi. What if we said, 4-year, $56 million with $39.5 million guaranteed. That's $10 million more to come to Houston for 4 year instead of NY. And $7 million of that is guaranteed.

I really hope that's around what both teams offer him and Nnamdi wises up and comes to Houston.
 
HuttoKarl said:
according to whoever on twitter, the Jets are trying to seal the deal in the next 12-14 hours. Probably enough time for Aso to get an offer from Houston, bring our hopes up and then crush them like Leigh Bodden did last year.
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You mean the report that said they were going to work on trying to get him for the next 12-14 hours?

When you put it like that "Seal the deal" that means it'd be the breaking news story on ESPN right now since it is all agreements right now.
 
michaelombardi Michael Lombardi
Jets main competition for Asomuga right now are the 49ers, they are in it strong...will be interesting to see how it plays out...
 
The1ApplePie said:
Two-straight AFC Championship Games isn't success? With a team that was garbage before Rex Ryan got there?

Wade Phillips, Norv Turner, and Josh McDaniels are examples of great coordinators becoming crap head coaches.

Rex can be an annyoing loudmouth, but his players love him and he attracts and developes talent.
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And he will NEVER get any further, just like his dad! Thats why I said as Texans fans our perspective is screwed. Rex has to cross Everest, while Kubiak and the Texans cant get over the speed bump.
 
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