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The Nnamdi Asomugha Thread

Marcus said:
And he's 30 years old and not getting any younger. After 30, that's when the nicks and the "nagging injuries" start to happen. He's on the downside of his career, and with his last big contract, there's no incentive for him to give 100%.

It doesn't really matter anyway. He'll need to have his head examined if he chooses the Texans :lol: over a playoff caliber team that has decent chance of going to the Super Bowl. Like Herv said, he'll say all the right things to the Texans, but laugh himself silly under his breath.
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If he is here Houston suddenly joins a short list of teams that has a real shot at going deep into the playoffs.

Think about this. If you shore up half of our problems in the secondary with a lockdown corner.. where do you place us as far as over all teams in the league? Probably a top 5 team. With our offense we are no longer a "threat to come back on you" we are a "threat to put our foot on your throat mid way through the second quarter".

Mike
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Well you're gonna have to wait then, because right now everything is swirling around and nothing is really concrete for anyone.
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I'm not worried about FA rumors at this point. We've been hearing this since the end of the season.

I'm just concerned about the UDFAs right now.
 
Texanmike said:
If he is here Houston suddenly joins a short list of teams that has a real shot at going deep into the playoffs.

Think about this. If you shore up half of our problems in the secondary with a lockdown corner.. where do you place us as far as over all teams in the league? Probably a top 5 team. With our offense we are no longer a "threat to come back on you" we are a "threat to put our foot on your throat mid way through the second quarter".

Mike
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As I mentioned earlier, signing Nnamdi would tremendously upgrade our defense, but he's just one CB. What about our safeties? Heck, who ARE our safeties?

I'm all for opening up the checkbook for Nnamdi, given that it's not my money, but there is a limit on how much you can pay one player. Afterall, this is a team game. We need cap room to sign some safeties like Darren Sharper, maybe?
 
mortreport: On Asomugha, Texans will go hard; you have to believe their offer will top all; that's a Super Bowl contender if they land him. [via Twitter]
 
I know I started " Would you trade Mario if we could get Nnambi" thread but as i stated later in that post I don't think using 15-20% of your cap on any player is a smart thing to do, especially for the Texans who have so many needs. I think we are hamstrung with Mario"s cap number now. Look at the great teams New England, Green Bay they don't pay big money to players. Football is definitely a TEAM game and you need quality players not just a couple of superstars. The Texans problem is they don't evaluate talent well and then they don't utilize what talent they do have. The front office and coaching for the Texan's has basically ****** from the beginning.
 
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It's really, really hard to hit on two top free agents. Easier to make the one huge splash than multiple good splashes.
 
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that free agent Nnamdi Asomugha may be willing to "take a little less money" to sign with a playoff contender.
Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter
 
AnthonyE said:
Something I quickly photoshopped before work.

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Dude, I called a customer at work and right when he answered this popped up as the page loaded and I had to stfile a laugh big time....oh man...almost got bad lmao.

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CretorFrigg said:
As I mentioned earlier, signing Nnamdi would tremendously upgrade our defense, but he's just one CB. What about our safeties? Heck, who ARE our safeties?

I'm all for opening up the checkbook for Nnamdi, given that it's not my money, but there is a limit on how much you can pay one player. Afterall, this is a team game. We need cap room to sign some safeties like Darren Sharper, maybe?
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I think with Quinn at S you are looking at two major signings to dramatically improve your defense. Adding Nnamdi alone doesn't give you a top ten defense but it probably puts you in the top half of the league. Lets remember if you can basically take the number 1 guy on the other team everyone looks better.

S: Quinn
S: Weddle
CB: Nnamdi
CB: Allen

S: Quinn
S: Nolan/Keo
CB: Nnamdi
CB: Allen

Sure, the first one looks better. But lets remember, its not just that you add Nnamdi, you slide every one of your CBs down one on the depth chart. Allen is a very servicable #2 but a terrible #1 CB. Jackson's speed liability is covered up if he slides into the nickel. Additionally do your safety's look as bad last year if they are supporting Nnambi on the #1 receiver and Allen on the #2? Suddenly your safeties are providing more support to the #2 AND available to help out on the TE.

Nnamdi doesn't just come in and change one position. He slides everyone down on the depth chart to a position they SHOULD be playing. He changes the way your back 4 operates. Yes Joseph/Cromartie do too, but you can't put them on an island. Nnamdi IS a gamechanger, the kind of game changer we have never had on the defensive side of the ball. Mario and Cushing (rookie) included.

Mike
 
Texanmike said:
With our offense we are no longer a "threat to come back on you" we are a "threat to put our foot on your throat mid way through the second quarter".

Mike
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Well..... actually no.

We have yet to put our foot on anyone's throat since GK has been here. & we've had plenty of opportunities.

But that is one of the things I was hoping he would bring from Denver. Those guys were ruthless.
 
Thing we know about Aso; if he remained with Oakland his salary this season $17m. He or his agent Condon has allegedly said he wants $45m up front. While any player can be hurt any play, all are evaluated on history; Nnamdi's is good. In a five year contract, he would enter his fifth year having turned 35 that July.

We can offer 5 year $80m with $25m bonus (just over DRs deal with Falcons) which divided over contract is $5m year. $80m- $25= $55m divided over 5 years. The salary can be paid anyway the Texans and Nnamdi agree. So $25m upfront + $15m (first year)= $40m guaranteed first year and a $20m cap hit [$15 + $5)(where Mario's cap is allegedly). Structure second and third years @ $7m + $5m (bonus) for $12m cap hit each year. This leaves $26m last two years paid as agreed on. Of course each of us including Smith can move numbers to fit Texans need. Usually, a contract is back loaded as player of ASO age would be cut last year or two with only dead money left. ASO should earn all 5 years.
 
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Not sure about SB contender exactly, but signing Nnamdi will put us at in the playoffs and I'd say we'd be prime for a solid-deep playoff showing.
 
gafftop said:
I know I started " Would you trade Mario if we could get Nnambi" thread but as i stated lated in that post I don't think using 15-20% of your cap on any player is a smart thing to do, especially for the Texans who have so many needs. I think we are hamstrung with Mario"s cap number now. Look at the great teams New England, Green Bay they don't pay big money to players. Football is definitely a TEAM game and you need quality players not just a couple of superstars. The Texans problem is they don't evaluate talent well and then they don't utilize what talent they do have. The front office and coaching for the Texan's has basically ****** from the beginning.
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Or you ask you players like AJ, Schaub, Demeco and Mario to re-structure their existing contracts to lower their cap hits as the Raiders have done for years. Mario is only one I feel may not re-structure but to move Texans to a top 5 possible SB contender?
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Not sure about SB contender exactly, but signing Nnamdi will put us at in the playoffs and I'd say we'd be prime for a solid-deep playoff showing.
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I think we'd win the division and have a great chance to play with any team in the playoffs. In that sense, I do think we would be a Super Bowl contender. With that said, I think the biggest thing hurting us would be our lack of experience in playoff games or big games period.

Honest question here: How many of our starters have played in a single playoff game? I think Antonio Smith is the only one. That's what would hurt us when we're playing the Steelers or Patriots come crunch time.
 
hookinreds said:
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that free agent Nnamdi Asomugha may be willing to "take a little less money" to sign with a playoff contender.
Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter
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Sweet! This would give us more room to sign some other play....errr...oh...yeah....that last part.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I think we'd win the division and have a great chance to play with any team in the playoffs. In that sense, I do think we would be a Super Bowl contender. With that said, I think the biggest thing hurting us would be our lack of experience in playoff games or big games period.

Honest question here: How many of our starters have played in a single playoff game? I think Antonio Smith is the only one. That's what would hurt us when we're playing the Steelers or Patriots come crunch time.
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I think Kevin Walter might have...
 
gafftop said:
as i stated lated in that post I don't think using 15-20% of your cap on any player is a smart thing to do.
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I think I read somewhere that Peyton Manning and Dwight Freeney comprise about 33% of the Colts cap. But then again, that's freaking Manning and Freeney. LOL
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I think we'd win the division and have a great chance to play with any team in the playoffs. In that sense, I do think we would be a Super Bowl contender. With that said, I think the biggest thing hurting us would be our lack of experience in playoff games or big games period.

Honest question here: How many of our starters have played in a single playoff game? I think Antonio Smith is the only one. That's what would hurt us when we're playing the Steelers or Patriots come crunch time.
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Ehh, that could matter.....or maybe not. Not sure. I feel like all that stuff is circumstantial.
 
Rey said:
How is shutting Off a portion of a teams offense a bad thing?
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How is comprehension a bad thing? Really! Where did I argue that Nnambi isn't a good CB and that his play would not make the team better. I am speaking about the allocation of resources. My point is that I believe there are more effective ways to spend our limited resources... Of course his presence would help the secondary play and of course shutting down a WR is helpful for a defense.
 
dalemurphy said:
How is comprehension a bad thing? Really! Where did I argue that Nnambi isn't a good CB and that his play would not make the team better. I am speaking about the allocation of resources. My point is that I believe there are more effective ways to spend our limited resources... Of course his presence would help the secondary play and of course shutting down a WR is helpful for a defense.
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No. You were talking about how teams would scheme against him. That in itself is bogus, because qb's would still go after him. Not as much as the second or third corner but he would get his fair share of throws at him.

Also, even if he has completely shut down a receiver how is that not beneficial to the team as a whole?

Why allocate resources that way when you have a player that is interested in you that would elevate the play of the entire defense?

You would rather bank on getting two or three solid players rather than getting one franchise guy?

When your plan backfires and one or two of the guys you are targeting goes elsewhere then what? Just pick from the leftovers.

That makes no sense to me. You have the top rated player at his position, and it's a position we sorely need and you want to pass him over for Eric weddle and tier 3 corner?

If the money is not outrageous you stretch your pockets a bit and go for the stars. And you know the corny saying. . If you miss then you Langdon the moon.

Allocating resources is just code for being good in a few places while not being great at any. We have a lot of good on this team. It'd be nice to have some greatness.
 
Rey said:
No. You were talking about how teams would scheme against him. That in itself is bogus, because qb's would still go after him. Not as much as the second or third corner but he would get his fair share of throws at him.

Also, even if he has completely shut down a receiver how is that not beneficial to the team as a whole?

Why allocate resources that way when you have a player that is interested in you that would elevate the play of the entire defense?

You would rather bank on getting two or three solid players rather than getting one franchise guy?

When your plan backfires and one or two of the guys you are targeting goes elsewhere then what? Just pick from the leftovers.

That makes no sense to me. You have the top rated player at his position, and it's a position we sorely need and you want to pass him over for Eric weddle and tier 3 corner?

If the money is not outrageous you stretch your pockets a bit and go for the stars. And you know the corny saying. . If you miss then you Langdon the moon.

Allocating resources is just code for being good in a few places while not being great at any. We have a lot of good on this team. It'd be nice to have some greatness.
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This was one hell of a post.

And as far as just picking over the leftovers, well that is what the Texans have done pretty much every season in free agency since their existence.
 
Not even going to hope, worry, or whatever until Friday... til then, everything is just speculation.. much like the lockout.. until its done, nothing means much.
 
Rey said:
No. You were talking about how teams would scheme against him. That in itself is bogus, because qb's would still go after him. Not as much as the second or third corner but he would get his fair share of throws at him.

Also, even if he has completely shut down a receiver how is that not beneficial to the team as a whole?

Why allocate resources that way when you have a player that is interested in you that would elevate the play of the entire defense?

You would rather bank on getting two or three solid players rather than getting one franchise guy?

When your plan backfires and one or two of the guys you are targeting goes elsewhere then what? Just pick from the leftovers. That makes no sense to me. You have the top rated player at his position, and it's a position we sorely need and you want to pass him over for Eric weddle and tier 3 corner?

If the money is not outrageous you stretch your pockets a bit and go for the stars. And you know the corny saying. . If you miss then you Langdon the moon.

Allocating resources is just code for being good in a few places while not being great at any. We have a lot of good on this team. It'd be nice to have some greatness.
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This is what some are forgetting in comparing 2-3 players to Aso. You have no guarantee we could sign all of the others in any comparison. If you get Nnamdi, he is in the bag, if you sign Weddle for example, we still have to sign another CB.
 
It's funny that now all of a sudden with the lockout over.. all this Nnamdi talk going on.. I don't recall reading much of it the last few months, but the "talk" that he is high on the Texans list and that "he" might come here has sure seemed to get ya'lls panties wet...

Continue on !!!
 
hobie said:
It's funny that now all of a sudden with the lockout over.. all this Nnambi talk going on.. I don't recall reading much of it the last few months, but the "talk" that he is high on the Texans list and that "he" might come here has sure seemed to get ya'lls panties wet...

Continue on !!!
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You haven't been paying attention...
 
TheMatrix31 said:
So why even bother posting, dude? We'll wake you up on Friday if you want.
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Why, I get a kick out of grown men talking what if's, or this and that's.. I do thank you all though for the good reading..As for the wake up call.. I'm good, but thanks for the offer...
I can't wait to read what is in store come Friday !!!!
 
The TEXANS can offer him the best deal, AJ can BEG him to come, and the fans can salivate until they drown, BUT, you can't make the man sign on the dotted line!!

To some of you guys who think the game of football will come to an end for the Texans IF we don't sign him, what ya gonna do then?? Blame Daddy Bob for being cheap? Hang RS up by his balls? Invent new cuss words to use against the Texans franchise? IMHO the man will sign with WHO he really wants to play for, and it just might not be us! If it was all about the money he would stay with the Raiders. :includeme:
 
srrono said:
mortreport: On Asomugha, Texans will go hard; you have to believe their offer will top all; that's a Super Bowl contender if they land him. [via Twitter]
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I would put more credence into this if Scheftfer was reporting it. I lost a lot of repspect for Mort with the garbage he kept tweeting during the lockout.
 
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