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The Nnamdi Asomugha Thread

b0ng said:
I doubt that the price is going to get driven down just because there are a lot of CB's on the market this year. Especially not driven down enough where we are getting a Richard Marshall (insert name of wanted CB here) for less than 5 or 6 million a year.
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What makes you think we can get Nnamdi for $10-12 mil? He just walked away from $17 mil after making $15 mil for two years. $8-10 mil should get a quality CB with $5-7 mil getting a quality safety. Fact is none of us knows what Nnamdi wants, whether he knows he will need to take a pay cut or whether he expects a pay raise. In my book $17 mil is too much even for the best CB in the league.
 
infantrycak said:
What makes you think we can get Nnamdi for $10-12 mil? He just walked away from $17 mil after making $15 mil for two years. $8-10 mil should get a quality CB with $5-7 mil getting a quality safety.
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Didn't Revis signed a 4-year $46m dollar deal with an $18m bonus somewhere? While Nnamdi did walk away from a $17m contract, it was also walking away from being a Raider which it looks like he's wanted to do for the last 2 or 3 years.
 
dalemurphy said:
Don't you understand the uniqueness of this free agent market? This is the best free agent market, by far, in over a decade. There are a dozen CBs in free agency that would improve most NFL secondaries, certainly ours. Furthermore, beyond the CB market, there are many good to great NFL players just entering into their prime that could be major assets to our football team.

In free agency, last year's 2nd best CB was Leigh Bodden. This year the 10th best FA CB is clearly better than Bodden and will likely be signed for less money than Bodden was last year.
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Sure I understand it. I also understand that you have a wildly optimistic view of this group of free agent CB's. This is in keeping with your traditionally overly optimistic outlook on things like this. The 10th best CB this year isn't better than Bodden (it's embarrassing for you to even suggest it) and will be signed for less money because he's worth less money. Don't let reality get in the way of a good tale though. Trot out your list of better values and be happy with that if you like. I can't agree with you though.

Many good to great players will be available. That means of course that the Texans will have an almost unobstructed shot at getting as many ordinary-to-good players as they want! Doesn't the thought just make your skin tingle all over!
 
c10x said:
Actually the raider defense has been pretty damn awesome. Especially the secondary. The problem has been their front 7's ability to stop the run. Aso is worth every $$ they threw at him. I'm not saying we get him, but I fully support making a legit run at him.
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That's clearly not true. Which, is my point. At some point, the money given to Asomugha would be too costly. It could mean Mario is not re-signed. It could mean that the team is not able to sign Abrayo Franklin and Eric Weddle. It could mean the team lets Foster walk in two years. This romanticism of a single free agent at the expense of all logic and reason baffles me.

How did the Haynesworth deal work out? How many of you were begging the Texans to spend money on him?

How about the 8 year 80 million given to Nate Clements... good player but that hasn't worked out too well for SF.

Even with the Patriots got into the elite FA market, it didn't go so well: Adalius Thomas flamed out after the Pats gave him $50 million over 7 years.

This is the NFL, not the NBA. One player doesn't make the difference (other than QB) between winners and losers. Almost all of the great FA signings the past 10 years have been bargain-hunting signings.

Charles Woodson- teams had soured on him after a few mediocre years in Oakland and GB got him at a discount.

Drew Brees- had a bad shoulder and the Saints got him at a discount

Mike Vick- Eagles got him at a major discount after his jail time.


I'm really struggling to think of any elite FA bidding war where the team that ended up with the player got value from him. Anyone? Surely, there is one or two examples but I honestly can't think of any.
 
This better not happen...

because if it does, I'll be getting neg rep for years...I'll probably get banned from cussing everyone who said it wouldn't happen out.
 
b0ng said:
Didn't Revis signed a 4-year $46m dollar deal with an $18m bonus somewhere? While Nnamdi did walk away from a $17m contract, it was also walking away from being a Raider which it looks like he's wanted to do for the last 2 or 3 years.
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I am not predicting Nnamdi will not take a Revis type deal. It is just an unknown. This is going to be his last contract most likely. Is he willing to take a pay cut to just over Revis money at about $12 mil per year for a longer term or will he want a pay raise and take a shorter contract? We just don't know.

And while AJ is a really nice guy and might be happy pulling in almost $10 mil per year if Nnamdi was making $12 I kind of doubt he would like being the best WR in the NFL and getting just over half if signing Nnamdi required $18 mil.
 
dalemurphy said:
That's clearly not true. Which, is my point. At some point, the money given to Asomugha would be too costly. It could mean Mario is not re-signed. It could mean that the team is not able to sign Abrayo Franklin and Eric Weddle. It could mean the team lets Foster walk in two years. This romanticism of a single free agent at the expense of all logic and reason baffles me.

How did the Haynesworth deal work out? How many of you were begging the Texans to spend money on him?

How about the 8 year 80 million given to Nate Clements... good player but that hasn't worked out too well for SF.

Even with the Patriots got into the elite FA market, it didn't go so well: Adalius Thomas flamed out after the Pats gave him $50 million over 7 years.

This is the NFL, not the NBA. One player doesn't make the difference (other than QB) between winners and losers. Almost all of the great FA signings the past 10 years have been bargain-hunting signings.

Charles Woodson- teams had soured on him after a few mediocre years in Oakland and GB got him at a discount.

Drew Brees- had a bad shoulder and the Saints got him at a discount

Mike Vick- Eagles got him at a major discount after his jail time.


I'm really struggling to think of any elite FA bidding war where the team that ended up with the player got value from him. Anyone? Surely, there is one or two examples but I honestly can't think of any.
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How did Peppers work out for Chicago? What about Samuel to the Eagles? Antonio Smith has been pretty good here (not on the same level as the previous two but it does hit close to home).

Not every big FA signing is a huge failure you goon and you know this dale.

C'mon man.
 
If we are going to spend FA money on a CB it needs to be Aso. The other FA CB's arent half as good, and will cost more than half as much.
 
dalemurphy said:
I do not want them to outbid everyone for Nnambi! No way. We should avoid these sweepstakes and get a CB for half the money, that is 2 or 3 years younger, and not already preparing for his life after football!
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and 2/3 his ability and health history. No thanks.
 
infantrycak said:
What makes you think we can get Nnamdi for $10-12 mil? He just walked away from $17 mil after making $15 mil for two years. $8-10 mil should get a quality CB with $5-7 mil getting a quality safety. Fact is none of us knows what Nnamdi wants, whether he knows he will need to take a pay cut or whether he expects a pay raise. In my book $17 mil is too much even for the best CB in the league.
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Exactly!

All these people that say "we absolutely must sign NambDi" will be the very first ones out of the block that will say we overpaid him if we did.

I hope they do sign him. I want to hear the uproar from everyone when they hear what it would take to do it.
 
infantrycak said:
I am not predicting Nnamdi will not take a Revis type deal. It is just an unknown. This is going to be his last contract most likely. Is he willing to take a pay cut to just over Revis money at about $12 mil per year for a longer term or will he want a pay raise and take a shorter contract? We just don't know.
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You are correct we do not know. However we do know that teams love to use other contracts that players of a similar caliber and position during negotiations, so the Revis contract, I do know, will be brought up at least once to Nnamdi during any negotiations he has with probably any team.
 
b0ng said:
How did Peppers work out for Chicago? What about Samuel to the Eagles? Antonio Smith has been pretty good here (not on the same level as the previous two but it does hit close to home).

Not every big FA signing is a huge failure you goon and you know this dale.

C'mon man.
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Peppers is a much better example of what a Nnamdi signing would bring than Haynesworth, no doubt about it.
 
Hervoyel said:
Sure I understand it. I also understand that you have a wildly optimistic view of this group of free agent CB's. This is in keeping with your traditionally overly optimistic outlook on things like this. The 10th best CB this year isn't better than Bodden (it's embarrassing for you to even suggest it) and will be signed for less money because he's worth less money. Don't let reality get in the way of a good tale though. Trot out your list of better values and be happy with that if you like. I can't agree with you though.

Many good to great players will be available. That means of course that the Texans will have an almost unobstructed shot at getting as many ordinary-to-good players as they want! Doesn't the thought just make your skin tingle all over!
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What CBs on this list are worse than Bodden?:
Asomugha
Joseph
Grimes
Brandon Carr
Ike Taylor
Carlos Rogers
Antonio Cromartie
Eric Wright
Kelly Jennings
Josh Wilson
Richard Marshall
Chris Carr
Drayton Florence
Chris Houston....

If you can eliminate 5 from this list, then that would put Bodden at #10... I'm not here to disparage Bodden... but, there are definitely 10 from this list that I'd prefer. And, I doubt I'm alone.

Regarding my "optimism". I was not optimistic about last year's FA list of CBs. I thought it was a lousy list last year. I thought last year's FA group, in general, was pathetic and I said so. It's quite a leap to suggest that because I entered the last few Texans' seasons with hope and optimism, that means that I will overrate the NFL free agent list of CBs... Doesn't make sense! If anything, seeing the Texans with rose-colored glasses would give me a more cynical view of non-Texan players. How does my "negative opinion" on signing Nnambi mesh with my unreasonable optimism? There are multiple reports that the Texans are going to sign him (we wrote two stories in February predicting this) and I am absolutely opposed to it.
 
Marcus said:
Exactly!

All these people that say "we absolutely must sign NambDi" will be the very first ones out of the block that will say we overpaid him if we did.

I hope they do sign him. I want to hear the uproar from everyone when they hear what it would take to do it.
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I'd just like to point out that he walked away from the Raiders $17 million. We honestly don't know if the Raiders could have kept him at any price. His value is high of course but until he starts fielding offers from other teams nobody can say for certain what he's going to cost. He might sign with the Packers, Patriots, or Steelers for significantly less than what the Raiders offered. He may cost that or more if the team in question is the Texans. What does he even think of the Texans? Does he see them as a team that's on the rise? Does he say all the right things and laugh inside when someone asks him about Houston?
 
Hervoyel said:
I'd just like to point out that he walked away from the Raiders $17 million. We honestly don't know if the Raiders could have kept him at any price. His value is high of course but until he starts fielding offers from other teams nobody can say for certain what he's going to cost. He might sign with the Packers, Patriots, or Steelers for significantly less than what the Raiders offered. He may cost that or more if the team in question is the Texans. What does he even think of the Texans? Does he see them as a team that's on the rise? Does he say all the right things and laugh inside when someone asks him about Houston?
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He didn't walk away from anything. The clause in his contract went in effect automatically when he didn't reach the incentive.
 
b0ng said:
How did Peppers work out for Chicago? What about Samuel to the Eagles? Antonio Smith has been pretty good here (not on the same level as the previous two but it does hit close to home).

Not every big FA signing is a huge failure you goon and you know this dale.

C'mon man.
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Samuel's deal was pretty big, but not a monster deal. I would love for the Texans to spend a similar amount on a CB this year.

Antonio Smith's deal included only about $10 million guaranteed. Deals like the one the Texans gave Antonio are exactly the kind of deals I want the Texans to make.

The Peppers deal is a fair example- It seems a little early to judge the deal. He certainly played well last season and they did reach the playoffs... so, I think that's your best example right now.
 
Marcus said:
Exactly!

All these people that say "we absolutely must sign NambDi" will be the very first ones out of the block that will say we overpaid him if we did.

I hope they do sign him. I want to hear the uproar from everyone when they hear what it would take to do it.
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Cak and Dale are spot on in this topic. If you ask me whether I want Aso, or Eric Weddle and one of the other corners out there, I'll take the latter in a heart beat. This defense has far too many holes in the backfield to assume that one player is going to turn us into Peyton Manning's worst nightmare. Dale also nailed it rock solid with his post on page two about how outbidding the entire NFL for a single player can really set your franchise back if they fail to live up to their pay, which is more often the case than not.

I, too, agree with Cak and draw the line around the $17 million range. At some point, any sensible person says "this is too much money."
 
b0ng said:
How did Peppers work out for Chicago? What about Samuel to the Eagles? Antonio Smith has been pretty good here (not on the same level as the previous two but it does hit close to home).

Not every big FA signing is a huge failure you goon and you know this dale.

C'mon man.
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Reggie White, as well, did pretty good when he went to the Packers.

At that time, everybody thought he was crazy for leaving the Eagles and going to the Packers. Whoops.

As has been pointed out, this is probably the last contract for Aso. So why not be the one who gives it to him. Get at least 4 years out of the guy. He has virtually ZERO tread on the tires--He's not a DL or a LB who has had punishment dished out onto him. He's basically ran down the field and watched the plays happen 30 yards or more away from him.

I think Aso becomes a member of the Ravens, though. Which, IMO, makes the Ravens the best AFC team immediately. That defense would be elite overnight. It was already pretty stout. This would make them superior.
 
dalemurphy said:
That's clearly not true. Which, is my point. At some point, the money given to Asomugha would be too costly. It could mean Mario is not re-signed. It could mean that the team is not able to sign Abrayo Franklin and Eric Weddle. It could mean the team lets Foster walk in two years. This romanticism of a single free agent at the expense of all logic and reason baffles me.

How did the Haynesworth deal work out? How many of you were begging the Texans to spend money on him?

How about the 8 year 80 million given to Nate Clements... good player but that hasn't worked out too well for SF.

Even with the Patriots got into the elite FA market, it didn't go so well: Adalius Thomas flamed out after the Pats gave him $50 million over 7 years.

This is the NFL, not the NBA. One player doesn't make the difference (other than QB) between winners and losers. Almost all of the great FA signings the past 10 years have been bargain-hunting signings.

Charles Woodson- teams had soured on him after a few mediocre years in Oakland and GB got him at a discount.

Drew Brees- had a bad shoulder and the Saints got him at a discount

Mike Vick- Eagles got him at a major discount after his jail time.


I'm really struggling to think of any elite FA bidding war where the team that ended up with the player got value from him. Anyone? Surely, there is one or two examples but I honestly can't think of any.
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Reggie White is a quick one that comes to mind.
 
Allstar said:
He didn't walk away from anything. The clause in his contract went in effect automatically when he didn't reach the incentive.
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Granted. He was set to make a certain amount, clause triggered, contract void. Is that about right?

I think that illustrates the point even further though. Nobody can say exactly what he's going to cost right now. Does he want stupid-money right now, competitive situation for excellent money, or excellent money and long-term security? Does he want to play on a team with someone in particular? Does he want to play in a certain city?

It's all up in the air until we see some offers.
 
BetaV1 said:
Cak and Dale are spot on in this topic. If you ask me whether I want Aso, or Eric Weddle and one of the other corners out there, I'll take the latter in a heart beat. This defense has far too many holes in the backfield to assume that one player is going to turn us into Peyton Manning's worst nightmare. Dale also nailed it rock solid with his post on page two about how outbidding the entire NFL for a single player can really set your franchise back if they fail to live up to their pay, which is more often the case than not.

I, too, agree with Cak and draw the line around the $17 million range. At some point, any sensible person says "this is too much money."
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Well since the lockout was mainly about money and how teams just don't make enough of it...ehh... who cares... it's only our money they are playing with !!

:fingergun:
 
GP said:
Reggie White, as well, did pretty good when he went to the Packers.
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Reggie White, Charles Haley, Deion Sanders, etc... are irrelevant in this discussion, because that era was before the salary cap and at the beginning of its implementation when the rules were easily manipulated.
 
dalemurphy said:
Samuel's deal was pretty big, but not a monster deal. I would love for the Texans to spend a similar amount on a CB this year.

Antonio Smith's deal included only about $10 million guaranteed. Deals like the one the Texans gave Antonio are exactly the kind of deals I want the Texans to make.

The Peppers deal is a fair example- It seems a little early to judge the deal. He certainly played well last season and they did reach the playoffs... so, I think that's your best example right now.
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Samuel's deal fits perfectly fine in to the realm of top FA available for that particular year, which was like 3 years ago now. If you want to spend that kind of money for that contract length, more than likely you are looking way down into the Richard Marshall's, Brandon Carr and players like that.

It's fine if you want the Texans to sign players like that, but I think most people around here and in Houston would rather the Texans actually take a risk in free agency more than once every 3 years.

And it's not like Nnamdi is some Dunta Robinson type player who just happens to be the best available this year but really isn't that good. He is generally considered to be one of the 2 best corners in the game (like Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald are to WR's right now) as of me typing this. Even if he doesn't work out, it's not like he's Haynesworth who was only good when he was angling for a new contract, he's been doing it without much help around him for awhile now.
 
hobie said:
Well since the lockout was mainly about money and how teams just don't make enough of it...ehh... who cares... it's only our money they are playing with !!

:fingergun:
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Salary Cap! Particularly now, with the new CBA rules... whatever money given to Nnambi is money that can't go to other FAs.
 
dalemurphy said:
This free agent market is flooded, particularly at the CB position. I'm not sure which players will be the best bargains, only that the principles of supply and demand will ensure that some will be. We have never seen a market this loaded with young talent in the salary cap era. Here are some names for you:

Johnathan Joseph
Brent Grimes
Antonio Cromartie
Brandon Carr
Josh Wilson
Chris Carr
Richard Marshall
Kelly Jennings
Chris Houston
Eric Wright
Fabian Washington


and that list excludes the 30 and 31 year old FAs that will also be in market:

Drayton Florence
Carlos Rogers
Ike Taylor
Phillip Buchanan


I'm not saying that all those guys are great players. But, some are/will be very good and smart teams will have the opportunity to assess which ones will have the best value as the NFL moves through this truncated free agent process.
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I heard a guy on the radio yesterday refer to Cromartie as the 3rd best cover corner in the league today.


Does anyone agree with that?
 
b0ng said:
Samuel's deal fits perfectly fine in to the realm of top FA available for that particular year, which was like 3 years ago now. If you want to spend that kind of money for that contract length, more than likely you are looking way down into the Richard Marshall's, Brandon Carr and players like that.

It's fine if you want the Texans to sign players like that, but I think most people around here and in Houston would rather the Texans actually take a risk in free agency more than once every 3 years.

And it's not like Nnamdi is some Dunta Robinson type player who just happens to be the best available this year but really isn't that good. He is generally considered to be one of the 2 best corners in the game (like Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald are to WR's right now) as of me typing this. Even if he doesn't work out, it's not like he's Haynesworth who was only good when he was angling for a new contract, he's been doing it without much help around him for awhile now.
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I understanding wanting Nnambi. If the Texans signed him, part of me would be very excited. I just love this free agent market and think we could allocate the resources better. Other than trying to make that point, what I'm arguing about is the idea that some posters have that the Texans not signing Nnambi = Texans don't care/want to win. I will gladly acknowledge that signing Nnambi could work out really well for the Texans. It's odd to me that some can't acknowledge that there are other things the Texans could do in this market that could lead to success as well. There are over 500 FAs, many of them are very good and also young... Of course there are other signings the Texans could do that would be both prudent and a genuine effort to build a championship team.

Mainly, the one thing they can't do, is not participate in this free agency. They need to upgrade that secondary with quality veterans. If they are inactive, I'll be the first to criticize them. And, by active, I don't mean signing a couple "C" level free agents for 3 yrs. and $5 million.
 
dalemurphy said:
Johnathan Joseph-Would love to get him if we can't get Aso.
Brent Grimes-Is gonna resign w/ the Falcons
Antonio Cromartie-Dude sucks.
Brandon Carr-He's good but at best he's a #2 CB.
Josh Wilson-Maybe for our #2 CB, but Kareem Jackson isn't or will he ever be the #1 CB, so no.
Chris Carr-He's still w/ the Ravens
Richard Marshall-too small to be #1 CB right now. Not sure how good he really is.
Kelly Jennings-only 2 career interceptions, dude been playing for four years by now, no thanks. Unless he's a shutdown CB, but no thanks.
Chris Houston-lol, are you kidding me???
Eric Wright-eh, settle for him and we wont be making the playoffs any time soon.
Fabian Washington-Dude sucks
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how about we just go after Aso?
 
Aso is in discussion for the best CB in the league. He has been consistent for years and still has several good years of football available. Those kind of players rarely hit the market. Usually its a one year wonder or an average player who is talked up more than his ability suggests.

When an Aso becomes a FA you MUST put your best offer forward.
 
dalemurphy said:
There's a difference. Offensively, the Texans can scheme in a way that ensures Andre will be involved in the game and have an opportunity to make a lot of plays.

An opposing team, on a passing down, will often have 5 eligible receivers running routes. Nnambi will only be covering one of those five. Good offenses can scheme and work an offense in a way that minimizes the impact Nnambi will make. After all, consider how bad the Raiders defense has been the past four years while Nnambi has been, dominant, healthy, and in his prime.
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Dale, I don't disagree with what you're saying in this thread. I think it would be smart to get a two or three very good/quality players that are immediate starters. See Johnathan Joseph + Eric Weddle + whoever... Although you may get more bang for your buck and I think that would be a smart way to go, I think it's harder to accomplish. I think Joseph re-signs with Cincy, Weddle will be hard to get... I think we'll be stuck with Richard Marshal and Gerald Sensabaugh. ugh!

I also agree with your statement about an opposing offense "avoiding Nnamdi" thus taking him out of the play. That's why big boys in the trenches matter so much, they're a part of every single play. With that said, what Nnamdi does is allows our Safeties to focus on other parts of the field and the 4 other Receivers. That will help a ton.

I'll be interested in how Stanford Routt plays these next three years without Nnamdi across the field from him. Raiders just handed him a 3 year $31.5MM contract.

I think the stars are aligned for us to get Nnamdi. He's the exact kind of player that McNair covets. He's an All Pro, best at his position, Great work ethic, smart, literate, quality person, does a TON for the community, and can provide excellent veteran leadership that is desperately needed in our secondary. We've got the capital to sign him. Andre and him are great friends, we just got one of the most respected DC's in the league. I think McNair is going to go after him... it's just a matter of Nnamdi realizing that with him here, Houston is the frontrunner to win our division.

I normally would be against spending this kind of $'s on a 30+ year old player but I think he fits perfectly for what we want and what we need on this team. Additionally, he played sparingly his first 2 seasons and didn't become a full time starter until his 3rd year, 2005. So he's got only 1 year of full time starting experience than Mario Williams, Demeco Ryans and Eric Winston. He's in his prime (not past it) and the Texans are in "WIN NOW" mode over the course of this next seasons and the following 2-3,4 years... that will be the length of his contract.

Come on Nnamdi, just sign on the dotted line. PLEASE
 
b0ng said:
The big FA's we sign every year?
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The FA market, largely due to the CBA being opted out of, has been horrible the past couple years. This is the market that makes up for those last couple awful ones... So, the Texans had better be active!
 
Just a quick point I want to make about Aso's health record, since it seems to be brought up quite frequently: All because a player has never had a major injury before does not mean they are immortal. It's football. Things happen. People are going to go crazy if we pay a guy $20 million a year and he breaks a finger or something this year and isn't quite the same, or tweaks his ankle next year and misses some games.

Granted, I wouldn't let the fear of injuries stop me from signing somebody. But if you spend this kind of money on one player and something does happen, you're screwed. End of story.
 
I'd be extremely excited if we signed Nnamdi, but I wouldn't be disappointed if the Texans targeted and signed two quality CBs such as Joseph and Grimes. That would immediately bolster our secondary, hopefully giving us more salary cap room so that we can sign a safety whom we can play the first game.

If I remember correctly, we haven't really addressed our safety issues yet, and I can't find any info on us signing an UDFA safety.
 
dalemurphy said:
Mainly, the one thing they can't do, is not participate in this free agency.
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Nobody should disagree with this point, even if we all disagree with each other on what they should do, they should avoid being the people who have to sign their back up to the back up to the back up plan for FA.
 
infantrycak said:
Fixed it for you.

People can disagree on specific numbers but at the end of the day everyone should agree there is a cut-off price on what to pay for one player.
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I agree. I am not saying we should hand him a blank check. We need to figure out the most we can pay him and then make him that offer. I say he is better than going for a lower quality CB and safty combo.

If we don't get him, we don't get him, but at least shoot for the stars once in a while.
 
b0ng said:
Nobody should disagree with this point, even if we all disagree with each other on what they should do, they should avoid being the people who have to sign their back up to the back up to the back up plan for FA.
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I have defended the organization for not spending money the past two seasons in FA because the market has been so poor... However, this one is great. If they don't spend this year, I'm going to be leading the anti-McNair and Kubiak crowd. True story.
 
A Nnamdi Asomugha signing can not only put us in the playoffs or further, but it is flat out the signing of the franchise. You make a franchise with the signing of a Nnamdi Asomugha. You're saying "I know what we need, and I'm getting the best available no matter what."

Signing him is more than just on-the-field change.
 
CretorFrigg said:
I'd be extremely excited if we signed Nnamdi, but I wouldn't be disappointed if the Texans targeted and signed two quality CBs such as Joseph and Grimes. That would immediately bolster our secondary, hopefully giving us more salary cap room so that we can sign a safety whom we can play the first game.
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The Texans won't sign 2 FA corners this season unless one of those is Jason Allen. They have too many young corners they want to keep and develope. They can only justify keeping 6 on the roster, and likely 4 of those spots will be taken by KJack, Harris, Carmichael, and McMannis, That leaves us our 1 big FA and either McCain or Allen, hopefully they bring back Allen.

Joseph + Weddle + Midtier CB has a much lower chance of happening than Aso + (Gholdson or Sensebaugh). Even (Joseph or Grimes or Marshall + Weddle) has less chance of happening. As much as I like Weddle, I see him coming here less likely than Nnamdi. There is just too much open market for him and he has zero ties here which is usually our main sticking point for landing FAs.

Edit: I'm wrong you can justify having 7 on the roster, but at max only 6 will be active on gameday. 7 is pushing it though and leaves you weaker somewhere else on the roster
 
We have to hope that Kolb gets dealt for Rodgers-Cromartie. It would really help our chase for Nnamdi, since the Eagles would be much more reluctant (or out of the race entirely?) to make an offer on him.
 
BetaV1 said:
Just a quick point I want to make about Aso's health record, since it seems to be brought up quite frequently: All because a player has never had a major injury before does not mean they are immortal. It's football. Things happen. People are going to go crazy if we pay a guy $20 million a year and he breaks a finger or something this year and isn't quite the same, or tweaks his ankle next year and misses some games.

Granted, I wouldn't let the fear of injuries stop me from signing somebody. But if you spend this kind of money on one player and something does happen, you're screwed. End of story.
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And he's 30 years old and not getting any younger. After 30, that's when the nicks and the "nagging injuries" start to happen. He's on the downside of his career, and with his last big contract, there's no incentive for him to give 100%.

It doesn't really matter anyway. He'll need to have his head examined if he chooses the Texans :lol: over a playoff caliber team that has decent chance of going to the Super Bowl. Like Herv said, he'll say all the right things to the Texans, but laugh himself silly under his breath.
 
Anyone think that by signing Nnamdi we're not just immediately improving our team and chances to win but changing the way players around the league view us? We look at our roster now and can point to all these players that are ranked near the top of their positions. But there's this stigma about Houston. I think other players this year, next year, etc. would raise their eyebrows and say "damn, Houston is serious." I think it would only raise the interest level of players. But more than that, winning is the biggest thing that will get this franchise respected across the league.
 
Marcus said:
And he's 30 years old and not getting any younger. After 30, that's when the nicks and the "nagging injuries" start to happen. He's on the downside of his career, and with his last big contract, there's no incentive for him to give 100%.

It doesn't really matter anyway. He'll need to have his head examined if he chooses the Texans :lol: over a playoff caliber team that has decent chance of going to the Super Bowl. Like Herv said, he'll say all the right things to the Texans, but laugh himself silly under his breath.
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Why would he want to come to a team with fans that have this mentality?

You DO know that Nnamdi Asomugha would be the difference-mak-----ah who cares.
 
dalemurphy said:
There's a difference. Offensively, the Texans can scheme in a way that ensures Andre will be involved in the game and have an opportunity to make a lot of plays.

An opposing team, on a passing down, will often have 5 eligible receivers running routes. Nnambi will only be covering one of those five. Good offenses can scheme and work an offense in a way that minimizes the impact Nnambi will make. After all, consider how bad the Raiders defense has been the past four years while Nnambi has been, dominant, healthy, and in his prime.
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How is shutting Off a portion of a teams offense a bad thing?
 
Chris Mortensen
On Asomugha, Texans will go hard; you have to believe their offer will top all; that's a Super Bowl contender if they land him.
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Seems purely subjective, but I hope he's right.
 
Something I quickly photoshopped before work.

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