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X's and O's with Vance Joseph

Now we know why we went Watt and Reed in round one and two. High motor athletes in the front seven will give us the edge in this system, in my opinion. If you have Mario Williams, Demeco Ryans, Brian Cushing, J.J. Watt, Connor Barwin, and Antonio Smith in the same defensive front. You should be able to win that battle in the trenches more times than not. It is just going to hinge on Wade Phillips getting these guys ready.
 
Good watch. I do have to say that if you have good play up front in any system, it makes the back end much easier to play.
In case it didn't get posted, here's another link on Joseph talking Texans DB's.
 
Sounds good in theory...I'm still confused on the element of surprise of where the 4th rusher will come from specifically when Mario is on the field...either way I'm hoping for better coaching AND performance from the secondary
 
good video. all theory of course... if we get nnamdi we can drop that other safety into the box too & win every early down!

still our front 7 is hopefully gonna be pretty tough to run in theory with watt at de, and mario, demeco & cush at lb. all have great size & are good run defenders.. IF the nt & others do their part too
 
The beauty of the 3-4 is that 4th rusher can come from any of the lbs or ....
The key is to win that run battle...Unless you got a pass happy team...
 
playa465 said:
Sounds good in theory...I'm still confused on the element of surprise of where the 4th rusher will come from specifically when Mario is on the field...either way I'm hoping for better coaching AND performance from the secondary
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Good point since we've been told he'll be rushing the qb 90-95 percent of the time.
 
playa465 said:
Sounds good in theory...I'm still confused on the element of surprise of where the 4th rusher will come from specifically when Mario is on the field...either way I'm hoping for better coaching AND performance from the secondary
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That's the part that confuses me as well. If you know Mario is coming 90% of the time, you are in essence playing a 4-3.

I guess the point I take away is we know Mario is rushing, so that takes the element of surprise away. But, if may line up in different places on the line to throw off the Olineman. Then with him up there, we need to be stout as a 7 man up front to stop the run to keep the element of the cover 2 shell in place on 1st and 2nd down. If we do that, he predicts we win 70% of the battles threw the air.
 
playa465 said:
Sounds good in theory...I'm still confused on the element of surprise of where the 4th rusher will come from specifically when Mario is on the field...either way I'm hoping for better coaching AND performance from the secondary
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First off, Mario will be coming most of the time. But he could come from anywhere. He could line up initially on the right and then move inside or to the other side. So your pre-snap reads mean less.

Secondly, any of the other linebackers could also come. The guys can all shift and move around and it makes it more difficult to identify assignments.

Third, Mario could drop into a zone. He doesn't have to be great at coverage, he just has to get in the way and make tackles. With his size and athleticism, he can do that.
 
I'm really getting concerned with our linebacker corps. I hope we add some depth there and at least make a decent offer to Posluszney from Buffalo. He'd make a good ILB in our system.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
First off, Mario will be coming most of the time. But he could come from anywhere. He could line up initially on the right and then move inside or to the other side. So your pre-snap reads mean less.

Secondly, any of the other linebackers could also come. The guys can all shift and move around and it makes it more difficult to identify assignments.

Third, Mario could drop into a zone. He doesn't have to be great at coverage, he just has to get in the way and make tackles. With his size and athleticism, he can do that.
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You are correct, I was just hoping that when we hired Wade that Mario would turn into our Bruce Smith...plus none of our LBs have shown to be good at coverage and you when you are in coverage the goal is to prevent the completion, making the tackle is the aftermath...but not to derail the thread lets all toast to a better secondary :toast2:
 
The Pencil Neck said:
First off, Mario will be coming most of the time. But he could come from anywhere. He could line up initially on the right and then move inside or to the other side. So your pre-snap reads mean less.

Secondly, any of the other linebackers could also come. The guys can all shift and move around and it makes it more difficult to identify assignments.

Third, Mario could drop into a zone. He doesn't have to be great at coverage, he just has to get in the way and make tackles. With his size and athleticism, he can do that.
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Thats what I was thinking with Mario too...He can lineup one slot and switch while qb was under center......free flow him ...
 
rush2112mn said:
The beauty of the 3-4 is that 4th rusher can come from any of the lbs or ....
The key is to win that run battle...Unless you got a pass happy team...
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But I thought we were going to send Mario 99.9997% of the time.
 
thunderkyss said:
But I thought we were going to send Mario 99.9997% of the time.
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If he is used in the same manner as D. Ware in Dallas it is between 90-95 percent.

People are too crazy about the dropping in coverage. Depending on the game and scheme they are facing, the team will be in its pass coverage set (i.e. 4 man front) from 45%- 60% of the plays.
 
DocBar said:
I'm really getting concerned with our linebacker corps. I hope we add some depth there and at least make a decent offer to Posluszney from Buffalo. He'd make a good ILB in our system.
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Too much money and draft picks (2 1sts and 3 2nds) already tied up for us @LB, so I would not expect any action at all on a starting type LB. Besides if all three ILB play to thier highest potential, Cushing and Ryans are better (not a lot) than Posluszney. There are legitimate questions if Ryans (injury) and Cushing will play close to their potential, but the serious money ( I think) will go to the DBs.
 
DocBar said:
I'm really getting concerned with our linebacker corps. I hope we add some depth there and at least make a decent offer to Posluszney from Buffalo. He'd make a good ILB in our system.
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Lots of things concern me about the LBers .....


MW rushing 95% of the time is one of them. I expect teams to exploit this tendancy. Sure the defense can compensate for MW's forward movement but its going to open holes elsewhere.

I think given a bit of game film of the Texans D , I could come up with quite a few ways to exploit it myself and I dont get paid big bucks to do it like the coordinators in the NFL .....It might all be short and underneath stuff .... but that is probably enough to move the chains.

I expect RB's and TE's to do a lot of the damage against this defense with flat and curl routes .... WR's and crossing routes too .... and thats while not getting all creative with combination routes , just finding the hole in the zone left by compensating for MW rushing .....
 
The Pencil Neck said:
First off, Mario will be coming most of the time. But he could come from anywhere. He could line up initially on the right and then move inside or to the other side. So your pre-snap reads mean less.

Secondly, any of the other linebackers could also come. The guys can all shift and move around and it makes it more difficult to identify assignments.

Third, Mario could drop into a zone. He doesn't have to be great at coverage, he just has to get in the way and make tackles. With his size and athleticism, he can do that.
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I dont think simply dropping into the occasional zone is enough for a LB , they have to have some cover ability or it really limits what you can do with those other potential rushers.

I think he will do Ok with TE's - especially the larger guy's , its the tweener type TE's and RB's that concern me.

If you know MW is coming at the QB 90% of the time , you can also predict who slides into that area - most likely the ILB on that side which is going to open up two spaces one on either side of that LB that slides over ..... unless of course they bring a safety up ..... but with the corners currently on this roster - I dont like the sound of that.
 
Corrosion said:
I dont think simply dropping into the occasional zone is enough for a LB , they have to have some cover ability or it really limits what you can do with those other potential rushers.

I think he will do Ok with TE's - especially the larger guy's , its the tweener type TE's and RB's that concern me.

If you know MW is coming at the QB 90% of the time , you can also predict who slides into that area - most likely the ILB on that side which is going to open up two spaces one on either side of that LB that slides over ..... unless of course they bring a safety up ..... but with the corners currently on this roster - I dont like the sound of that.
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If Mario is going to be coming a lot it means the other olb has to have some cover ability.

But I don't really get your concerns because from a base defense standpoint it's not a whole lot different than a 43.

I dont think Mario is the problem. I think barwin and reed are the ones to be concerned with. They are going to have to be more versatile than Mario. And they are going to have to make more plays in space.
 
jaayteetx said:
Seems like an intelligent, well spoken coach. Lets hope that comes out in his players play on the field.
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Very good post, Thanks. Joseph stresses a stout front 7 to stop the run is key on 1st and 2nd down. What worries me though is we'll have a 291 lbs. NT, grossly undersized, an ILB coming off an achilles injury, and another coming off the juice. That don't sound stout to me so I'm worried about our ability to stop the run up the middle.
 
Rey said:
If Mario is going to be coming a lot it means the other olb has to have some cover ability.

But I don't really get your concerns because from a base defense standpoint it's not a whole lot different than a 43.

I dont think Mario is the problem. I think barwin and reed are the ones to be concerned with. They are going to have to be more versatile than Mario. And they are going to have to make more plays in space.
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I agree with everything you've said here. Which is why I thought we would get a true LB to play the SAM.... perhaps leave Cushing at SAM.

But, Parcells went to Dallas & had Greg Ellis play opposite Demarcus Ware. Neither having any LB experience before that.

I've seen Mario drop into coverage before. & I have no problem with it as long as he's playing zone. I wouldn't want to see him man up on Dallas Clark.
 
Corrosion said:
I dont think simply dropping into the occasional zone is enough for a LB , they have to have some cover ability or it really limits what you can do with those other potential rushers.

I think he will do Ok with TE's - especially the larger guy's , its the tweener type TE's and RB's that concern me.

If you know MW is coming at the QB 90% of the time , you can also predict who slides into that area - most likely the ILB on that side which is going to open up two spaces one on either side of that LB that slides over ..... unless of course they bring a safety up ..... but with the corners currently on this roster - I dont like the sound of that.
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How did Ware make it work though? If we are to believe Wade, Ware rushed about 90-95% of the time. Dallas had a pretty stout D most of the time under Wade.
 
When they build a triple layer on mw side, its going to be a problem. If a team has a triple layer and they flip mario, now the dl is predictable. The best thing the texans should do is have mw as the 5 tech and send the pressure form any of the backers.
 
leebigeztx said:
When they build a triple layer on mw side, its going to be a problem. If a team has a triple layer and they flip mario, now the dl is predictable. The best thing the texans should do is have mw as the 5 tech and send the pressure form any of the backers.
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Except Wade has been pretty successful with Ware & his system. So was Parcells before that in Dallas.
 
thunderkyss said:
Except Wade has been pretty successful with Ware & his system. So was Parcells before that in Dallas.
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When parcells and wade had ware, he was in infant stages of the nfl. He didn't know what he didn't know. Mario has been in the league since 06, its a different thing. Not to mention mario is 40lbs heavier and 2inches taller. Look at aaron kampman when they tried to make him switch in gb
 
Allstar said:
Thanks a lot for this, I suggest others listen in. You can really tell that the staff is worried about Kareem Jackson.
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That's not what I got out of it.

To me, he reaffirmed that Kareem is exactly what we thought he was when we drafted him. A Zone read, run support CB. He has trouble with man to man coverage.. but he says all young corners do.

That said, I wonder where they plan on putting him. Sounds like Allen will be our second corner, Harris will be the Nickel right off the bat. If we sign Aso, or something comparable, he'll surely be the #1. Carmichael is probably going to get playing time in the dime.

So it looks as if Kareem, McMannis, Moulden, McCain are all odd men out.
 
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