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The Nnamdi Asomugha Thread

Texecutioner said:
Comparing a religious holiday that children get excited for like Sesame Street or the Easter Bunny to the idea of a franchise who has made it known that they're strictly a build through the draft team and has proven that through several off seasons and has an owner that has stated they won't do anything crazy as far as free agency goes, well it's not closely related at all. There has already been like 12 Aso threads where the same things are discussed and it's so highly unlikely at this stage of this franchise under what they've proven they will and won't do in the off season. The Santa Claus analogy doesn't fit here.

The sad part that everyone in here seems to be missing is that our star WR who is a quiet guy does a lot more recruiting and makes way more attempts at trying to attract other players here than our own GM and HC does who are getting paid to be effective in these areas. Andre Johnson has a better chance at getting any of these big time free agents here than the clown we have as a GM.
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The comparison was not Christmas to Texans franchise rather you to a grinch that wants to bust others bubble. Man, I respect your views but this thread was not about whether ASO could come here but if he did what would fans opinions be. If you do not like content of thread rather than crap on the thread just back out and move on to next thread. It is like you just have to be negative. We know you POV just like we know what it is on Yao Ming.
 
Regarding Aso.....well, I'd like to give it a try. It could only make us better. If Uncle Bob wants to throw down the cash, I'd fully support his efforts.
 
badboy said:
The comparison was not Christmas to Texans franchise rather you to a grinch that wants to bust others bubble. Man, I respect your views but this thread was not about whether ASO could come here but if he did what would fans opinions be. If you do not like content of thread rather than crap on the thread just back out and move on to next thread. It is like you just have to be negative. We know you POV just like we know what it is on Yao Ming.
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Didn't bust any bubble. It's quite obvious that any fan would be ecstatic if the Texans signed the best CB in the league. I mean, what fan wouldn't be happy about their team signing a quality guy like that? It's a rhetorical question. I know it's the off season, but how many threads are going to exist on a guy that the Texans clearly won't pay for where the same discussion takes place over and over?


badboy said:
It is like you just have to be negative.
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Replace negative with "realistic" and this is a true statement.


badboy said:
We know you POV just like we know what it is on Yao Ming.
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And how did Yao Ming work out for Houston fans? Not exactly a good example for you to use in this instance considering the guy's career. Call it negative all you want, but "realistically" Yao never proved me wrong and gave fans false hopes for years and set the Rockets back many years just as I said he would. Sorry, you didn't like the lack of optimism regarding a guy who was a lemon here for years, but Houston fans that put all the hopes and dreams in that guy got a big bag of disappointment year after year. I choose not to go down that path when I see enough signs that indicate a very low probability surrounding a player or situation regarding a team.
 
Texecutioner said:
The sad part that everyone in here seems to be missing is that our star WR who is a quiet guy does a lot more recruiting and makes way more attempts at trying to attract other players here than our own GM and HC does who are getting paid to be effective in these areas. Andre Johnson has a better chance at getting any of these big time free agents here than the clown we have as a GM.
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Given that the current circumstance is AJ is allowed to talk to other players and the Texans can't this is an off-base comment.
 
Bottom line

Billionaire Bobby aint gonna pony up the cash for ASO.

But he will keep worshiping at the altar of the cash cow that is known as the Houston Texans.
 
steelbtexan said:
Bottom line

Billionaire Bobby aint gonna pony up the cash for ASO.

But he will keep worshiping at the altar of the cash cow that is known as the Houston Texans.
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No offense, but that's such a lame argument. It's old. McNair has money, and has spent it if he thinks it's necessary. If Gary Kubiak told McNair that every single player needed a million dollar diamond earring in order to win, McNair would write a check in three seconds.

McNair isn't cheap. He's just overly loyal and not very competitive in spirit. There's a difference.

The problem is, McNair looks at teams like Pittsburg and New England, and think: "Hmm. They've never spent big money on free agents. They build slowly through the draft. That's what I'm going to do."

The problem with that line of thinking is that Pittsburg and New England have VERY high standards for players and coaches. The things we tolerate here won't be tolerated there. The result is a culture of WINNING within both franchises, which makes it easier to recruit high caliber players and coaches.

The irony is, if McNair had a bit more of a mean streak in him and raised the bar for his employees, he wouldn't HAVE to spend a lot of money.
 
houstonspartan said:
No offense, but that's such a lame argument. It's old. McNair has money, and has spent it if he thinks it's necessary. If Gary Kubiak told McNair that every single player needed a million dollar diamond earring in order to win, McNair would write a check in three seconds.

McNair isn't cheap. He's just overly loyal and not very competitive in spirit. There's a difference.

The problem is, McNair looks at teams like Pittsburg and New England, and think: "Hmm. They've never spent big money on free agents. They build slowly through the draft. That's what I'm going to do."

The problem with that line of thinking is that Pittsburg and New England have VERY high standards for players and coaches. The things we tolerate here won't be tolerated there. The result is a culture of WINNING within both franchises, which makes it easier to recruit high caliber players and coaches.

The irony is, if McNair had a bit more of a mean streak in him and raised the bar for his employees, he wouldn't HAVE to spend a lot of money.
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I think it is more of a risk factor. Some fans will risk more than others, especially when the result has little impact on us as individuals. Reminds me a bit of politicians who say anything and then when they sit on the throne of power they make different decisions.

I would spend $74 million 5 years of Bob's money for Nnamdi but if ASO gets hurt or has a bad year or two, it is Uncle Bob who looks silly not BADBOY.
 
badboy said:
I think it is more of a risk factor. Some fans will risk more than others, especially when the result has little impact on us as individuals. Reminds me a bit of politicians who say anything and then when they sit on the throne of power they make different decisions.

I would spend $74 million 5 years of Bob's money for Nnamdi but if ASO gets hurt or has a bad year or two, it is Uncle Bob who looks silly not BADBOY.
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Teams don't look stupid for spending high dollars on a guy who is #1 or #2 at his position in the league if he ends up getting hurt. No GM or owner has a crystal ball and can tell if someone is going to get hurt that they sign to a lot of money, so anyone who would call an owner stupid for that is well stupid themselves. And if ASO started playing poorly all of a sudden I don't see how he'd look stupid then either considering that there is nothing in Aso's history to suggest that he'll lose motivation because he gets a big contract or that he is on any downward spiral of decline. He already has been paid top dollar and has still played great and been highly motivated. On paper Aso is one of the safest big investments you could make.

infantrycak said:
Given that the current circumstance is AJ is allowed to talk to other players and the Texans can't this is an off-base comment.
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I had a feeling someone would come in here and use that against what I said. The fact is that the Texans management haven't done that in any seasons under this regime hardly. You can use the "well they can't talk to anyone right now" argument all you want, but I can go back on 4 off seasons where Smithiak arrogantly just wanted to build through the draft and hardly pushed hard at all to sign other top players around the league that were available, while AJ is all over the place trying to pull guys over here. What he is doing now is something Smithiak has never been consistent at doing in order to bring in high end players to fill holes. I don't see any reason to believe that will all of a sudden change when this lockout is lifted and Smithiak is able to sign and push hard for whomever they want. Mcnair already stated "we aren't going to do anything crazy" so in his language that meant we'll keep the same status quo and do the same thing we have for years and be very conservative in free agency as opposed to being aggressive.
 
Texecutioner said:
Teams don't look stupid for spending high dollars on a guy who is #1 or #2 at his position in the league if he ends up getting hurt. No GM or owner has a crystal ball and can tell if someone is going to get hurt that they sign to a lot of money, so anyone who would call an owner stupid for that is well stupid themselves. And if ASO started playing poorly all of a sudden I don't see how he'd look stupid then either considering that there is nothing in Aso's history to suggest that he'll lose motivation because he gets a big contract or that he is on any downward spiral of decline. He already has been paid top dollar and has still played great and been highly motivated. On paper Aso is one of the safest big investments you could make.
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It's usually the #1 or #2 rated player at his position (not the league) we're talking about... rarely does the best actually become available. Nobody would ever blame a team for signing an Andre Johnson or Nnamdi Asomugha type of player. It's the ridiculous contracts that get handed out to the #1 or #2 rated player at their position just because they're "the best that's out there". And that can easily haunt a franchise if that player sucks or gets injured. No crystal ball - whatever... what happened last year or two years ago is old news. Nobody cares/remembers anymore but that player is still counting against the team's salary cap and limiting their options to furthur improve the team.

In regards to Nnamdi... every single owner, GM, head coach, defensive coordinator, and fanbase would LOVE to have him on their team.

Why is it that I'm still cautiously optimistic this may happen? It's like when you buy a lottery ticket and you really REALLY have that feeling that you're actually going to win. I feel like that with Asomugha. For some weird reason my mind is playing this awful trick on my heart.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Why is it that I'm still cautiously optimistic this may happen? It's like when you buy a lottery ticket and you really REALLY have that feeling that you're actually going to win. I feel like that with Asomugha. For some weird reason my mind is playing this awful trick on my heart.
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From my observations in the past you're always very optimistic about this team so that's not a surprise. When you're still yelling out "Team Kubiak" after 5 years of failures, I'd consider you an optimist no matter the circumstance given the history. I don't know why you would be at this point as far as free agency goes though. We haven't done anything in the past under this regime to indicate that there would be a high liklihood that we would pay the kind of money that Aso will demand, nor have we gone out and pushed extremely hard for highly sought after free agents. If the Texans did make a huge push and go all out to sign Aso it would be the first.
 
Asomugha, experienced DBs on secondary-weak Texans' radar

Wade Phillips hasn't been bashful about letting it be known the Houston Texans need veteran help in their secondary.

The Texans' new defensive coordinator has made the point repeatedly in public forums since his team used three picks in the first five rounds of last April's draft on defensive backs.

Whether Phillips' message has been heard by general manager Rick Smith or the rest of the Texans' hierarchy is a different story.

"From what I know and what we've talked about (internally), I think we'll be active in free agency, especially as far as the secondary (goes)," Phillips told me during a recent interview on SiriusXM NFL Radio. "But there may be other priorities, maybe even offensive priorities."

The Texans could use help in other areas besides the defensive backfield or any other spot on defense, for that matter. They are looking to make a serious postseason run, and Smith and coach Gary Kubiak no doubt are feeling some heat over the team's inability to finally get over the hump and into the playoffs on their watch. That pressure ultimately could push the team to look in multiple directions for new players when the lockout ends and free agency and trades begin.

Nevertheless, the Texans clearly view improving their defense as a key element to being strong contenders this season. That was why they hired Phillips last January. That was why their first five draft picks, and six of their eight choices, were defenders.

Phillips understands his job is to make the defense significantly better in a hurry. And he knows he doesn't have all of the necessary tools.

"We're really young in the secondary overall, and that's more worrisome than anything else," Phillips said. "I think we have some good talent, although I haven't had the players (at the team facility for offseason workouts) to know exactly what we have. I'm going on what the other coaches say and what we've seen on tape."

Phillips didn't mention any specific names, but the Texans are known to hope to get in on the bidding for biggest prize in free agency: Oakland Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha.

They might not be able to land him, but Phillips certainly is encouraging them to try and to go after other experienced defensive backs.

Follow Vic Carucci on Twitter @viccarucci.
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We're really young in the secondary and that's worrisome.
So I went ahead and drafted 3 more players! :wadepalm:
 
On NFL Live today, they did a sort of "mock draft" of what every team needs to do in Free Agency, and they said the Texans top priority was to sign Asomugha. FWIW...which is probably nothing.:wadepalm:
 
I'd freaking flip out. Might not make it to the Super Bowl...but love the approach. Trying to win....something Bob hasn't shown in...lets just say never. My love for the team would be rejuvinated. Sure, signing Joseph would make me happy and disply mild excitement.

But with Namdi....be more like:



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badboy said:
How would fans react? I don't know how to create poll but I think many would be "ho hum" and want to see how he does. Others like me would be estatic. I think others would complain at how much he costs & demand a Super Bowl.

Where do you line up?
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I can't imagine anyone who claims to be a fan of this game & the Texans being ho-hum about Nmandi & Wade...

Just Wade, I can see it.

Just Nmandi.... maybe.

But both?

Then you throw in the draft, & we've got a Ti-Vecta
 
thunderkyss said:
I can't imagine anyone who claims to be a fan of this game & the Texans being ho-hum about Nmandi & Wade...

Just Wade, I can see it.

Just Nmandi.... maybe.

But both?

Then you throw in the draft, & we've got a Ti-Vecta
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TK there are posters who I think would be glad to get Asomugha but would then say, "Well, it doesn't guarantee a SB so McNair has to do more."
 
thunderkyss said:
I can't imagine anyone who claims to be a fan of this game & the Texans being ho-hum about Nmandi & Wade...

Just Wade, I can see it.

Just Nmandi.... maybe.

But both?

Then you throw in the draft, & we've got a Ti-Vecta
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The Texans need to win (10 plus and the playoffs) for me to get excited. Phillips or not. Nmandi or not. Draft or not. Individual moves don't matter much, bottomline results do.
 
badboy said:
Well there you go and thank you for admitting it.
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Just for clarification:

Do I like the chances of the Texans chances of being good with Wade more than any of the previous DCs? Of course, he has a clear record of being able to put together good ( not great) NFL defenses.

Do I like the chances of the Texans being good with Nnamdi than with any other free agent corner back? Of course, he has been either the best or 2nd best CB in the league by all accounts for the last 5 years or so. Still how much has he helped Oakland's bottonmline as a team?

Do I like the overall draft of the Texans? Yes, but they are rookies and expecting them to be better than people who have at least proven they stay on an NFL roster is always shaky. I am hoping but that's all.

Until the Texans break their mediocore overall behavior, there is not a reason for me to expect more than some teasing at goodness and mediocore results. This dude or that move can't override multiple years of the same darn thing under Smithiak. More hopeful, yes. Actually excited, no.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Just for clarification:

Do I like the chances of the Texans chances of being good with Wade more than any of the previous DCs? Of course, he has a clear record of being able to put together good ( not great) NFL defenses.

Do I like the chances of the Texans being good with Nnamdi than with any other free agent corner back? Of course, he has been either the best or 2nd best CB in the league by all accounts for the last 5 years or so. Still how much has he helped Oakland's bottonmline as a team?

Do I like the overall draft of the Texans? Yes, but they are rookies and expecting them to be better than people who have at least proven they stay on an NFL roster is always shaky. I am hoping but that's all.

Until the Texans break their mediocore overall behavior, there is not a reason for me to expect more than some teasing at goodness and mediocore results. This dude or that move can't override multiple years of the same darn thing under Smithiak. More hopeful, yes. Actually excited, no.
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Exactly. Totally agree.

Sung to the tune of Aretha Franklin's "Respect"....

R-E-S-U-L-T-S...

That is the big ultimate test.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The Texans need to win (10 plus and the playoffs) for me to get excited. Phillips or not. Nmandi or not. Draft or not. Individual moves don't matter much, bottomline results do.
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I'll be watching & rooting for the Texans next season. It's what I do. However, if it weren't for the Wade Phillips acquisition, & the defense heavy draft, I'd have little reason to believe next year would be different.

So I'm already excited & if we sign Nmandi, I'll be extremely excited.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'll be watching & rooting for the Texans next season. It's what I do. However, if it weren't for the Wade Phillips acquisition, & the defense heavy draft, I'd have little reason to believe next year would be different.

So I'm already excited & if we sign Nmandi, I'll be extremely excited.
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ditto :bravo:
 
I would move to Houston, buy season tickets for the first time, buy all the Texans gear that will fit me (which I don't normally bother to), pay for Sunday ticket, NFL TV whatever all over the place (which I don't currently do), continue to pay for NFL.com season pass, playoffs, Superbowl, etc., give all the rest of my money to Bob's church, and have a daughter who will grow up to be hot and marry Bob's son or grandson (whatever), and there's like 100 trillion Texans fans who would do the same. :smooch:

Otherwise, me and 100 trillion other fans will continue to be cheapskates. Your choice, Bobby.

Oh, and if ya get Cromartie too, I'll buy ya a beer or somethin'.

PS-some of these promises are contingent on my actually making money and actually getting laid... :kubepalm:
 
thunderkyss said:
I'll be watching & rooting for the Texans next season. It's what I do. However, if it weren't for the Wade Phillips acquisition, & the defense heavy draft, I'd have little reason to believe next year would be different.

So I'm already excited & if we sign Nmandi, I'll be extremely excited.
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I will be watching and rooting, but that does not mean I am subject to blind faith when someone has shown me who they are.

The Texans are like the chic who keeps promising ...well ya know, but when it comes time to ya know, something comes up (and not even always her fault). At some point, sweet talk and sexier night gowns are not enough. The ya know has to happen. If you keep dating this chic it has to some reason beyond the ya know since you are not getting as much satisfaction that's being implied or directly promised.

I mean if you are happy being blue over and over, there nothing really I say to change your mind, but I rather delay the excitement until the prospects of ya know are real(not just looking better), especially when I have had repeated disappointment.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I will be watching and rooting, but that does not mean I am subject to blind faith when someone has shown me who they are.

The Texans are like the chic who keep promising ...well ya know, but when it comes time to ya know, something comes up (and not even always her fault). At some point, sweet talk and sexier night gowns are not enough. The ya know has to happen. If you keep dating this chic it has to some reason beyond the ya know since you are not getting as much satisfaction that's being implied or directly promised.

I mean if you are happy being blue over and over, there nothing really I say to change your mind, but I rather delay the excitement until the prospects of ya know are real(not just looking better), especially when I have had repeated disappointment.
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Don't know if I can relate to your analogy. As the father of 3 daughters, I support & respect girls who stand behind no-sex-before-marriage principals. If it's time for you to move on to another girl..... move on to another girl.

As far as blind-faith goes, there's nothing blind about my faith in the Texans.

This is a journey. I'm excited about what we've done so far & I'll be ecstatic if they sign Nnamdi.
 
badboy said:
TK there are posters who I think would be glad to get Asomugha but would then say, "Well, it doesn't guarantee a SB so McNair has to do more."
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Agreed

If they didn't make the playoffs after signing Aso Billionaire BoBBY would have to fire Rick and Gary?

Nah, they are GM/HC for life. Or until their contracts run out. LOL
 
thunderkyss said:
Don't know if I can relate to your analogy. As the father of 3 daughters, I support & respect girls who stand behind no-sex-before-marriage principals. If it's time for you to move on to another girl..... move on to another girl.

As far as blind-faith goes, there's nothing blind about my faith in the Texans.

This is a journey. I'm excited about what we've done so far & I'll be ecstatic if they sign Nnamdi.
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I will leave my analogy and your comments as is, because this not a moral issue about your daughters. If that is your familys' real choices I respect that.

Part of a sports' fan journey (for me) is the loss of real faith, but still following anyway(hope). Current example is the Dallas Mavericks. They had disappointed the DFW fans so much, that as many fans if not most thought they would not get out of the 1st round against Portand. The Mavericks by actually winning in each round earned the trust of the fans by results. That's where the Texans are for me: I am following because that's what I do, but for true excitement, you have to show me.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Just for clarification:

Do I like the chances of the Texans chances of being good with Wade more than any of the previous DCs? Of course, he has a clear record of being able to put together good ( not great) NFL defenses.

Do I like the chances of the Texans being good with Nnamdi than with any other free agent corner back? Of course, he has been either the best or 2nd best CB in the league by all accounts for the last 5 years or so. Still how much has he helped Oakland's bottonmline as a team?

Do I like the overall draft of the Texans? Yes, but they are rookies and expecting them to be better than people who have at least proven they stay on an NFL roster is always shaky. I am hoping but that's all.

Until the Texans break their mediocore overall behavior, there is not a reason for me to expect more than some teasing at goodness and mediocore results. This dude or that move can't override multiple years of the same darn thing under Smithiak. More hopeful, yes. Actually excited, no.
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Well there you go and thanks for admitting it. If we sign ASO I will much more than greatly excited and that would be before down one.
 
houstonspartan said:
Exactly. Totally agree.

Sung to the tune of Aretha Franklin's "Respect"....

R-E-S-U-L-T-S...

That is the big ultimate test.
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Sort of "I really like my new girlfriend but I ain't getting too excited until I know the results and she better not expect to much in bennies just because she knows she can get them elsewhere."
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I will be watching and rooting, but that does not mean I am subject to blind faith when someone has shown me who they are.

The Texans are like the chic who keeps promising ...well ya know, but when it comes time to ya know, something comes up (and not even always her fault). At some point, sweet talk and sexier night gowns are not enough. The ya know has to happen. If you keep dating this chic it has to some reason beyond the ya know since you are not getting as much satisfaction that's being implied or directly promised.

I mean if you are happy being blue over and over, there nothing really I say to change your mind, but I rather delay the excitement until the prospects of ya know are real(not just looking better), especially when I have had repeated disappointment.
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AT, side note here, do you evaluate your women on "potential"? lol
 
badboy said:
Well there you go and thanks for admitting it. If we sign ASO I will much more than greatly excited and that would be before down one.
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Why should I not "admit" it? It is a stronger position than placing faith in a single player making a difference. I want results no matter what Nnamdi does either in signing with the Texans or on the field. Some of you are in too much of Nnamdis or bust mode. The choice is not the Texans to sign him. He chooses us or not for whatever reason he and his family believes. And remember the Raiders have been awful with his being one of the best, its about the total product.
 
badboy said:
AT, side note here, do you evaluate your women on "potential"? lol
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Well, I have been locked into (married) to one woman for quite awhile now.

Edit: And she 'drafted" me much more on potential than I her. She was pretty much a sure thing.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Why should I not "admit" it? It is a stronger position than placing faith in a single player making a difference. I want results no matter what Nnamdi does either in signing with the Texans or on the field. Some of you are in too much of Nnamdis or bust mode. The choice is not the Texans to sign him. He chooses us or not for whatever reason he and his family believes. And remember the Raiders have been awful with his being one of the best, its about the total product.
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Agreed

This yr Billionaire BoBBY isn't going to be able to pull this we're on the right track crap. Even novice fans such as my wife are questioning your motives and why I'm wasting time and $$$$ on an owner that winning is secondary to the bottom line.

It's win or you're going to be compared to Bottom Line Bud. So you better be on the right track.
 
Chris Mortensen tweet (appxtly. 11:30 pm Monday night):

@mortreport RT @Josh_Hagstrom: @mortreport I see Houston Texans in running. #wadesdefense >> I think Nnamdi/Texans would be a really good match about an hour ago
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Can Bob pull that trigger? Can he tie up the money in one guy?

Or does he pass it up with the idea that Wade can make magic out of average players and/or discover talent the way Kubiak did for the offense?
 
GP said:
Chris Mortensen tweet (appxtly. 11:30 pm Monday night):




Can Bob pull that trigger? Can he tie up the money in one guy?Or does he pass it up with the idea that Wade can make magic out of average players and/or discover talent the way Kubiak did for the offense?
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I don't see it happening. I'm not up to date on where we stand/stood in relation to cap room but all that's allegedly changing anyway. If it were to change in a way that would allow that move and resigning the current players we need to keep and get a quality safety, then sure, why not.
 
GP said:
Chris Mortensen tweet (appxtly. 11:30 pm Monday night):

Quote:
@mortreport RT @Josh_Hagstrom: @mortreport I see Houston Texans in running. #wadesdefense >> I think Nnamdi/Texans would be a really good match


Can Bob pull that trigger? Can he tie up the money in one guy?

Or does he pass it up with the idea that Wade can make magic out of average players and/or discover talent the way Kubiak did for the offense?
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Thanks Mort. It's like someone telling you it would be awesome for you to get and iPad2 for Christmas...then when you open up your present Christmas morning, it's an Etch-a-Sketch.
 
GP said:
Chris Mortensen tweet (appxtly. 11:30 pm Monday night):




Can Bob pull that trigger? Can he tie up the money in one guy?

Or does he pass it up with the idea that Wade can make magic out of average players and/or discover talent the way Kubiak did for the offense?
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I think everyone sees Asomugha as a good fit, but does everything else fit Nnamdi's scenaro of where he wants to play? It has beenrumored he wants $15m a year. If that is true, I say welcome aboard Mr. Asomugha.
 
badboy said:
I think everyone sees Asomugha as a good fit, but does everything else fit Nnamdi's scenaro of where he wants to play? It has beenrumored he wants $15m a year. If that is true, I say welcome aboard Mr. Asomugha.
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I've been reading a hell of a lot more about the Eagles and Aso than the Texans fwiw.
 
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