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Hottoddie's "TEXAN'S PONY UP to TRADE UP" Mock Draft

Lucky said:
I pretty much agree with this. There's usually a good player or players available at a given 1st round slot. It's the good personnel guys who can figure out who these players are. It's the guys who don't know what they are doing who usually panic and trade away picks (though it can even happen to good GMs like Polian).
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You guys are thinking about the future. Do you think Kubiak With his back to the wall wouldnt trade away a future pick that he might never see anyway over getting another first round talent to add right now? If he dont hes a better man than me.

Hmm if it were me I would

target one of the elites with a package of #11 with our second round pick if it would get me one of

Marcel Dareus 6-3, 320 4.93 Alabama (DE)
Nick Fairley 6-4, 291 4.87 Auburn

I would then trade next years first for an early second round pick if I could get one of these guys

J.J. Watt 6-6, 290 4.85 Wisconsin
Justin Houston 6-3, 270 4.68 Georgia
Cameron Jordan 6-4, 287 4.78 California
Aldon Smith 6-4, 263 4.74 Missouri (X)
Muhammad Wilkerson 6-4, 315 4.96 Temple
Phil Taylor 6-3.5, 337 5.14 Baylor (NT/O)


If you could come out of this draft with Darius and Wilkerson or Taylor over keeping next years pick, would you do it then? That would make a pretty impressive line.

How about sitting where were at and drafting the highest rated player available Like say JJ Watt and then combining our second round pick with next years first and go after a player like

Justin Houston 6-3, 270 4.68 Georgia
Robert Quinn 6-4, 265 4.70 North
Cameron Jordan 6-4, 287 4.78 California
Aldon Smith 6-4, 263 4.74 Missouri (X)
Muhammad Wilkerson 6-4, 315 4.96 Temple
Phil Taylor 6-3.5, 337 5.14 Baylor (NT/O)

JJ Watt and Houston would sound better to you than worrying about next year if you were in Kubiaks position.
 
mussop said:
You guys are thinking about the future. Do you think Kubiak With his back to the wall wouldnt trade away a future pick that he might never see anyway over getting another first round talent to add right now? If he dont hes a better man than me.

Hmm if it were me I would

target one of the elites with a package of #11 with our second round pick if it would get me one of

Marcel Dareus 6-3, 320 4.93 Alabama (DE)
Nick Fairley 6-4, 291 4.87 Auburn

I would then trade next years first for an early second round pick if I could get one of these guys

J.J. Watt 6-6, 290 4.85 Wisconsin
Justin Houston 6-3, 270 4.68 Georgia
Cameron Jordan 6-4, 287 4.78 California
Aldon Smith 6-4, 263 4.74 Missouri (X)
Muhammad Wilkerson 6-4, 315 4.96 Temple
Phil Taylor 6-3.5, 337 5.14 Baylor (NT/O)


If you could come out of this draft with Darius and Wilkerson or Taylor over keeping next years pick, would you do it then? That would make a pretty impressive line.

How about sitting where were at and drafting the highest rated player available Like say JJ Watt and then combining our second round pick with next years first and go after a player like

Justin Houston 6-3, 270 4.68 Georgia
Robert Quinn 6-4, 265 4.70 North
Cameron Jordan 6-4, 287 4.78 California
Aldon Smith 6-4, 263 4.74 Missouri (X)
Muhammad Wilkerson 6-4, 315 4.96 Temple
Phil Taylor 6-3.5, 337 5.14 Baylor (NT/O)

JJ Watt and Houston would sound better to you than worrying about next year if you were in Kubiaks position.
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Agreed

But it's not going to happen.
 
mussop said:
You guys are thinking about the future. Do you think Kubiak With his back to the wall wouldnt trade away a future pick that he might never see anyway over getting another first round talent to add right now? If he dont hes a better man than me.
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I'd be more inclined to use a future pick to trade back up in the 1st/2nd than for us to use one moving up from #11 for one player.

I'd stand pat at #11 and select the best available player that the F.O. covets: Von Miller, Robert Quin, J.J. Watt

The Patriots are sitting there with so many picks, we may be able to keep our 2nd rounder this year. Trade away 2012's 1st round pick and maybe a 2011's 3rd rd pick for their spot at #23.... or maybe trade 2012's 2nd and 2011's 3rd for their spot at #33.

If we went J.J. Watt at #11, maybe we target Adrian Clayborn, Akeem Ayers, Justin Houston or Brooks Reed for OLB.

Then with our original 2nd rounder we can take a S like Quinton Carter.

11) DE J.J. Watt
23) OLB Adrian Clayborn
41) S Quinton Carter

Quin, Jackson, Allen stay at CB... we sign a FA SS like Gerald Sensabaugh, Carter plays FS.
Clayborn, Cushing, Demeco, Barwin, Anderson, Sharpton at LB.
Mario, Watt, Cody, Mitchell, Antonio, Okoye on the DL... maybe sign Marcus Spears as depth.

Looks solid to me
 
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Ole Miss Texan said:
I'd be more inclined to use a future pick to trade back up in the 1st/2nd than for us to use one moving up from #11 for one player.

I'd stand pat at #11 and select the best available player that the F.O. covets: Von Miller, Robert Quin, J.J. Watt

The Patriots are sitting there with so many picks, we may be able to keep our 2nd rounder this year. Trade away 2012's 1st round pick and maybe a 2011's 3rd rd pick for their spot at #23.... or maybe trade 2012's 2nd and 2011's 3rd for their spot at #33.

If we went J.J. Watt at #11, maybe we target Adrian Clayborn, Akeem Ayers, Justin Houston or Brooks Reed for OLB.

Then with our original 2nd rounder we can take a S like Quinton Carter.

11) DE J.J. Watt
23) OLB Adrian Clayborn
41) S Quinton Carter

Quin, Jackson, Allen stay at CB... we sign a FA SS like Gerald Sensabaugh, Carter plays FS.
Clayborn, Cushing, Demeco, Barwin, Anderson, Sharpton at LB.
Mario, Watt, Cody, Mitchell, Antonio, Okoye on the DL... maybe sign Marcus Spears as depth.

Looks solid to me
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I like where you're going with this but there are a couple of things. NE doesn't have the #23. They have #28.

We could trade into #28 or #33 and target Brooks Reed. Justin Houston will probably be off the board.

And there is no way in hell that Clayborn can play the OLB in any system. In the 34 he is strictly a DE so we wouldn't target him if we already took Watt.

In this situation I could see us taking a guy like Kerrigan at #11, slight reach as far as value is concerned but I would love that pick. He would be our OLB.

Then at the #28 or #33 we could target a DE like Clayborn or Allen Bailey.

I would be fine with Carter at our second round pick too.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I'd be more inclined to use a future pick to trade back up in the 1st/2nd than for us to use one moving up from #11 for one player.

I'd stand pat at #11 and select the best available player that the F.O. covets: Von Miller, Robert Quin, J.J. Watt

The Patriots are sitting there with so many picks, we may be able to keep our 2nd rounder this year. Trade away 2012's 1st round pick and maybe a 2011's 3rd rd pick for their spot at #23.... or maybe trade 2012's 2nd and 2011's 3rd for their spot at #33.

If we went J.J. Watt at #11, maybe we target Adrian Clayborn, Akeem Ayers, Justin Houston or Brooks Reed for OLB.

Then with our original 2nd rounder we can take a S like Quinton Carter.

11) DE J.J. Watt
23) OLB Adrian Clayborn
41) S Quinton Carter

Quin, Jackson, Allen stay at CB... we sign a FA SS like Gerald Sensabaugh, Carter plays FS.
Clayborn, Cushing, Demeco, Barwin, Anderson, Sharpton at LB.
Mario, Watt, Cody, Mitchell, Antonio, Okoye on the DL... maybe sign Marcus Spears as depth.

Looks solid to me
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Are you reading my notes? My next mock uses some of the concepts that you've posted here. Only, some of the players differ. I've had it almost complete for the last few days, but I'm still struggling with which player I want to select in the 7th round. Hopefully I can get it posted later today. I'd be perfectly happy with your ideas though.
 
bah007 said:
I like where you're going with this but there are a couple of things. NE doesn't have the #23. They have #28.

And there is no way in hell that Clayborn can play the OLB in any system. In the 34 he is strictly a DE so we wouldn't target him if we already took Watt.
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Doh! Thanks bah.... lol, I had 28 in my head but wrote 23. I initially had the trade as a 2012 1st rounder and a late 2011 pick but then was like that doesn't get us to 23! lol

I put Clayborn as the selection because I've read that his coaches made him bulk up to play DL this past season. Now, I didn't watch the combine nor did I see him in any linebacker drills so not sure about the switch. Drew Boylhart thinks he can lose some weight down to about 260 and play a role like Clay Matthews or Orakpo. I think Wade Phillips would be the kind of coach that could put him in good situations for him in rushing the passer.

Not really promoting the pick, but just naming an option.
Hottoddie said:
Are you reading my notes? My next mock uses some of the concepts that you've posted here. Only, some of the players differ. I've had it almost complete for the last few days, but I'm still struggling with which player I want to select in the 7th round. Hopefully I can get it posted later today. I'd be perfectly happy with your ideas though.
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My apologies. I've been having to read this board from my iPhone lately and sometimes miss updates. My main concern is that I'm not a fan of using 2011 1st and 2012 1st to move up a few spots this year and take a player. I really feel like we can get a pro bowl player or two throughout the 1st this year.

ie - I'd rather have JJ Watt and Ryan Kerrigan (and no 2012 1st) than just Von Miller (and no 2012 1st). Again, names just as example... I'm far from a scout.

Looking forward to your 7 Rounder!! The draft is only a month away.
 
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