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Texans zero in on drafting a top-quality cornerback

srrono

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If the Texans want to fill one of their most glaring needs and select a cornerback in the first round of the draft, Nebraska's Prince Amukamara is the most likely candidate.

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If the Texans were to trade up for a corner it better be Patrick Peterson.
Prince Amukamara seems to be a slower CB and we all ready have a young corner who is not a burner. The DBs are running Tuesday at the combine so hopefully I am wrong about Prince's speed actually hopefully John McClain is wrong and the Texans do not draft another DB early with all the def talent I would hope at 11 we can find a strong starter with out giving up additional picks we need all the help we can get.
 
With scouts projecting both Peterson & Amukamura as FS, I can't get too excited about either of these guys. We've already got two corners (Quin & Allen) & possibly a third (Jackson).

I want a true corner, not a projected safety.

With luck, one of the big bodied DTs will fall to us & get a corner in the second.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
i say wait till second or move back into the late first for a corner, take best available at 11
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Agreed

Is Amukamara or Smith really that much better than A.Williams or D.House? Both Willians and House should br available in the late 1st or when Rick and Gary are going thru their 3 stooges routine in the 2nd rd.
 
beerlover said:
Good then he'll bump Von Miller one spot closer to Texans
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Nah, Miller wont fall anywhere near the Texans. Teams love him. This does either make him a more attractive option for the Texans, or bumps another player down. Either way, good stuff.
 
Miller won't get out of the top 7. Both DBs will be gone before the Texans pick too. Prince won't make it past the Cowboys if he is there. Peterson won't make it close to there either. As for the switch to safety, that is just fluff talk and I'll believe it when I see it. Prince is a real shut down cover corner who basically, despite some speed issues is considered a pro ready cover corner. Switching a guy to safety isn't just an easy thing and that will put them in an unnatural position and cause growing pains. If they do it because of speed then they alot of these top 10 teams need safety too. So I can't see them dropping.

From Mayock

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/da...e-cowboys-top-draft-pick-prince-amukamara.ece

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock recently said. “If Amukamara gets (to No. 9), you take him. He can play press. He can play off. He can tackle. He is a starting cornerback in the NFL, and the Cowboys need that."
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We seem to be pretty bad at scouting DBs and DL. Maybe we should just trade the pick and get someone we know can play
 
gtexan02 said:
We seem to be pretty bad at scouting DBs and DL. Maybe we should just trade the pick and get someone we know can play
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That would be a smart thing to do. Seeing the track record of Rick and Gary on draft day.
 
WRs get separation from the CB in the first few steps from the LOS.... 40 time has zero relevance on whether a player is "quick" or not.

I've been down on Amukara since the Oklahoma St game... but everybody has a bad day here or there. I think we're painted into a corner (no pun intended) at cornerback... we need a veteran to start there. We can't afford to go through a rookie's growing pains just to develop in a couple years.
 
HoustonFrog said:
As for the switch to safety, that is just fluff talk and I'll believe it when I see it. Prince is a real shut down cover corner who basically, despite some speed issues is considered a pro ready cover corner.
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I'm just going by what scouts are saying. No one in particular.....

HoustonFrog said:
From Mayock
NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock recently said. “If Amukamara gets (to No. 9), you take him. He can play press. He can play off. He can tackle. He is a starting cornerback in the NFL, and the Cowboys need that."
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/da...e-cowboys-top-draft-pick-prince-amukamara.ece
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Which is odd, because he said pretty much the exact opposite on NFLN. He talked about "tightness" saying Prince doesn't have the fluidity he needs to be a top Corner. He can play Corner, but he'll only be avg, maybe a little better than avg. But he thinks he can be a Pro Bowl Safety.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm just going by what scouts are saying. No one in particular.....

Which is odd, because he said pretty much the exact opposite on NFLN. He talked about "tightness" saying Prince doesn't have the fluidity he needs to be a top Corner. He can play Corner, but he'll only be avg, maybe a little better than avg. But he thinks he can be a Pro Bowl Safety.
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I like reading Drew Boylhardt. He think both Peterson and Amukara could be safeties. Problem he sees with Prince is that his change of direction isn't top level and the quicker WRs will beat him and get separation. He's got the speed to catch up but there's more separation there than you would like. Catch, tackle, first down.

Having a safety that can come up on the line of scrimmage and cover a WR would be really nice though!! Just bc he's a safety doesn't mean he has to play back all the time. Especially near the red zone.
 
Deon Sanders just said that Brandon Harris has impressed him the most when it comes to the corner drills. On the other hand Prince was not very impressive, especially when he stood straight up before turning around in the back-peddle drill.
 
IDEXAN said:
Deon Sanders just said that Brandon Harris has impressed him the most when it comes to the corner drills. On the other hand Prince was not very impressive, especially when he stood straight up before turning around in the back-peddle drill.
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Prince has safety skills
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm just going by what scouts are saying. No one in particular.....



Which is odd, because he said pretty much the exact opposite on NFLN. He talked about "tightness" saying Prince doesn't have the fluidity he needs to be a top Corner. He can play Corner, but he'll only be avg, maybe a little better than avg. But he thinks he can be a Pro Bowl Safety.
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I know, I keep reading the same stuff about safety for Prince but it is weird that I've also seen quotes like above and from Day 1 have heard he is the most "pro" ready. So we will see. If the Cowboys see him as a safety, they may pass and look at one of the 3-4 DE/LB at that spot. I think they would rather bring in a FA or try Ball again, then get a rookie up to speed at a new position. I could be wrong.

Here is some more info..Dane Brugler

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/da...prince-akukamara-he-could-play-safety-too.ece

A lot of mock drafts have Prince Amukamara going to the Cowboys with the No. 9 pick. Experts have also been saying he could project as a safety in the NFL as well as a cornerback. How do you see him being used?



To be honest with you, I think his best long-term position will be at free safety. He’s such a physical hitter that plays well in press coverage. It’ll be interesting to see what he runs in the 40. He works out later this afternoon and if he runs in the 4.5 range, then maybe you think a free safety might be the best fit for him. But, you have to try him at cornerback: the fluid hips; the footwork; the technique; it’s all there. So, you try him at cornerback and then if you move him to free safety down the line, then that’s where you move him but he’s going to get his chance at cornerback and I think he’ll do well. He’s NFL-ready right now; he’ll step in and he’ll start from day one as soon as gets to the NFL.
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Does Prince Amukamara fit the bill for Rob Ryan’s defense, which demands strong tacklers and leaves no room for cowards?

He does and he’s just a natural hitter. He came into college at Nebraska and he was a running back, so he’s a physical guy. They moved him to cornerback and he does not let up out there. The guy…and you want to call him a hitter but he’s a tackler. He’s a wrap-tackler, he doesn’t miss a lot of tackles and he’s a really impressive guy. He did well in his interviews yesterday; spoke really highly of his coaches at Nebraska and he really takes pride in his craft and he works hard to get better at it. He’s got a bright future; there’s no doubt about that.
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What you said:

srrono said:
Texans zero in on drafting a top-quality cornerback
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What I heard:


srrono said:
Texans will not pursuethe plethora of quality corner-backs in free agency
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My reaction:

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I love the NFL Draft. All seems so certain during February and March and we always get surprises on Draft Day. I love it I love it!

Von Miller and Prince Amukara could slip and both be available at 11. We all think that's unlikely now.. but it's one of those surprises that could happen. I see Marcel Dareus as a virtual lock to go Top 7... I think he's a the least chance to be available for us than the other two.
 
gary said:
Yay, conerback that worked out so well the last time. I am so excited.
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I'm on the Julio Jones bandwagon. Pretty great chance he'll be there at 11 and much more promising than any defensive prospect to make an immediate impact.
 
VTexan said:
I'm on the Julio Jones bandwagon. Pretty great chance he'll be there at 11 and much more promising than any defensive prospect to make an immediate impact.
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I like him but think you may get a guy like Quinn there and I think he is big time impact on D.
 
VTexan said:
I'm on the Julio Jones bandwagon. Pretty great chance he'll be there at 11 and much more promising than any defensive prospect to make an immediate impact.
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I would either sign a vet CB or draft one later but not with our first pick. Jones or Von would be my choice if they are still on the board. Also, hold onto Jason Allen.
 
jaayteetx said:
Did you watch the Texans play defense last year?
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An outside linebacker would be only position decent at 11 but even they seem like projects. Have you seen the Texans draft in the first round?

Von Miller would be a great impact player, but he's a projected a top 5 pick. What DT will be available at 11 fit for a 3-4?

We need a true No.2 WR, especially if Andre goes down at that position then we are royally screwed.
 
VTexan said:
An outside linebacker would be only position decent at 11 but even they seem like projects. Have you seen the Texans draft in the first round?

Von Miller would be a great impact player, but he's a projected a top 5 pick. What DT will be available at 11 fit for a 3-4?

We need a true No.2 WR, especially if Andre goes down at that position then we are royally screwed.
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Amobi Okoye agrees with you.
 
VTexan said:
An outside linebacker would be only position decent at 11 but even they seem like projects. Have you seen the Texans draft in the first round?

Von Miller would be a great impact player, but he's a projected a top 5 pick. What DT will be available at 11 fit for a 3-4?

We need a true No.2 WR, especially if Andre goes down at that position then we are royally screwed.
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On ESPN Insider they mentioned our old friend Charlie Casserly. The report is Jones has been running and working out with a broken bone in his foot and would need surgery. So that may be an issue.
 
BigBull17 said:
Miller and Prince will fall to us and we'll draft Jimmy Smith, CB Colorado. Close enough to CSU.
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I know you are joking but read that Smith has HUGE character concerns..arrests, drugs, etc. So you know that won't happen.

http://twitter.com/#!/evansilva

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At 6-foot-2, 211 Jimmy Smith ran a ridiculous 4.38 forty time. Character concerns are plenty, but widely regarded as top-15 talent.
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Yesterday they mentioned his background issues.
 
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HoustonFrog said:
I know, I keep reading the same stuff about safety for Prince but it is weird that I've also seen quotes like above and from Day 1 have heard he is the most "pro" ready. So we will see. If the Cowboys see him as a safety, they may pass and look at one of the 3-4 DE/LB at that spot. I think they would rather bring in a FA or try Ball again, then get a rookie up to speed at a new position. I could be wrong.
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They also cut Sensabough..... who was better than Ball.

The Cowboys need to upgrade Ball, more than they needed to play around with Sensabough (I thought).
 
HoustonFrog said:
On ESPN Insider they mentioned our old friend Charlie Casserly. The report is Jones has been running and working out with a broken bone in his foot and would need surgery. So that may be an issue.
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It may be an issue that would allow him to drop to us.

I agree with Julio Jones. If he's there, we take him. We'll be more likely to average in the high 20s..... 27ppg or something like that.

Every other team we play will be forced to score 30 to beat us.

I understand that didn't work out too well for us in 2010, but we didn't have Julio Jones, or the know-how to unleash a 3 headed running attack. Hopefully, that crap changes, and we see that quick strike get a big lead early Denver offense we thought we were going to get.
 
thunderkyss said:
It may be an issue that would allow him to drop to us.

I agree with Julio Jones. If he's there, we take him. We'll be more likely to average in the high 20s..... 27ppg or something like that.

Every other team we play will be forced to score 30 to beat us.

I understand that didn't work out too well for us in 2010, but we didn't have Julio Jones, or the know-how to unleash a 3 headed running attack. Hopefully, that crap changes, and we see that quick strike get a big lead early Denver offense we thought we were going to get.
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Well now hearing different on stock

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6475/julio-jones

Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki predicts that Alabama WR Julio Jones' foot surgery won't hurt his draft stock "in the slightest."
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and the Jimmy Smith stuff

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6558/jimmy-smith

According to the Denver Post, Colorado CB Jimmy Smith's character concerns include at least one positive drug test in Boulder and two minor-in-possession arrests for alcohol.
It's worth noting that, in Combine media interviews, Smith admitted to just one MIP, which could be construed as a lie. According to the Post, some NFL teams also believe Smith "might want to be a celebrity more than he wants to be a good NFL cornerback." The consensus is that Smith is a top-15 talent who may fall to the back end of round one due to character red flags. Source: Denver Post Mar
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Quick on Prince again..his combine is making him stay hot..I'd say Top 10

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6494/prince-amukamara

Nebraska CB Prince Amukamara's two "unofficial" forty times at the Combine on Tuesday was were 4.37 and 4.44.He'll be staying at cornerback. Amukamara, who measured in at 6-foot and 204 pounds earlier in the week, was believed to be in danger of running a forty in the 4.5s. We're starting to learn which draftniks to trust, and which to not. Amukamara is plenty fast, fluid, and a surefire top-12 draft pick. He also bested Patrick Peterson in the broad jump with a 10-foot, 8-inch leap.
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thunderkyss said:
Understood, but he wasn't supposed to be top 10. I'm hoping his combine has another team take him in the top 10, so more Defensive guys drop.......

But I'd still take him, if he isn't picked in the top 10.
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I think some of the thought of him not being top 10 is due to team needs, particularly all on defense for teams in the top 10 (err 11). There's plenty of draft boards that have him as a top 10 talent, and there actually are several teams that could select him. The combine should definitely help him, but I think he was considered a top prospect before it anyways.
 
HoustonFrog said:
On ESPN Insider they mentioned our old friend Charlie Casserly. The report is Jones has been running and working out with a broken bone in his foot and would need surgery. So that may be an issue.
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I know players play hurt all the time but it seems lime this guy is always nursing an injury. Ill say it again, if we pick this guy with our first pick everyone involved should be fired on the spot.

If he is the BPA then trade down. Period!!
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Norm on the theticket reported a rumor that he heard that the Texans have a woody for Prince.
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I also just read that Cowboys have a woody for Peterson. As in they "covet" him and he is #1 on their board. So who knows how this all shakes out with no FAs out there to sign. Could be alot of fun!...before a lcokout.

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6481/patrick-peterson


Citing sources, SI's Tony Pauline reports that the Cowboys have LSU CB Patrick Peterson ranked as the top player in the 2011 NFL draft.Their high opinion was only reinforced by Peterson's 4.32 and 4.37 forty times Tuesday at the Combine. Per Pauline, Dallas "covets" the 2010 Thorpe Award winner. The Cowboys draft ninth overall, so they may strongly consider a move up for Peterson. Terence Newman is a candidate for offseason release. Mar
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ArlingtonTexan said:
Norm on the theticket reported a rumor that he heard that the Texans have a woody for Prince.
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So we would be starting off next season with prince and Jackson as our starting cornerbacks? Brilliant!!! Thats Almost as stupid as drafting a wr with our first pick.

The only legitimate moves this team can make are, moving up and drafting the highest rated defensive front seven player that Can have an immediate impact and blow a boatload of money in FA to make up for the picks lost

OR

Stay put and see if one of those players fall to them. If not trade down and stockpile as many picks as possible and hope they can find some gems AND spend a boatload of money in FA.

Anything other than that and no one will be able to convince me that this team really wants to win now.
 
Want to see a truly depressing draft...look at Mora's. Link

Who's gone by his top -10?

Miller, Amukamara, Peterson, Fairley, Dareus, Bowers.
 
mussop said:
So we would be starting off next season with prince and Jackson as our starting cornerbacks? Brilliant!!! Thats Almost as stupid as drafting a wr with our first pick.

The only legitimate moves this team can make are, moving up and drafting the highest rated defensive front seven player that Can have an immediate impact and blow a boatload of money in FA to make up for the picks lost

OR

Stay put and see if one of those players fall to them. If not trade down and stockpile as many picks as possible and hope they can find some gems AND spend a boatload of money in FA.

Anything other than that and no one will be able to convince me that this team really wants to win now.
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I prefer holding out #11 for another team to make a sweet offer to trade up. This was done back in 08 to address LT & last year in 2nd for Tate. So Rick has shown both willingness & competance to add value while addressing multiple needs. So trade down in first & keep options open to make a move in 2nd/3rd to aquire possibly three new defensive starters? Brandon Harris impressed me in drills, trade down in first & take him to fill starting CB need. Take DT or OLB with 2nd then make a move up to grab the guy for other position not yet addressed with more ammio aquiered from trading down in first.

Focus on drafting three premium defensive playmakers, fair value for respective positions in highest ranking in order of need.
 
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