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What is YOUR #11 pick selection? And let's all argue about it with each other.
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kiwitexansfan
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For the moment I am pulling for Prince Amukamara or Jimmy Smith.
Love me some first round corners.
Love me some first round corners.
Miller probably wont be there.
Aldon Smith,Julio Jones,Justin Houston would be my choices in that order. Followed by Kerrigan and Taylor.
Aldon Smith,Julio Jones,Justin Houston would be my choices in that order. Followed by Kerrigan and Taylor.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
If Miller's not there at 11 I'd do everythig I could to trade back to get a Kerrigan or Houston type guy. I can see a lot of late 1st and early 2nd players getting drafted earlier this year. Unless something changes, there's just not a lot of early 1st type players this year IMO. I might be wrong, and I'm just now getting heavily into the draft, but I don't see it at this point.
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TexansSeminole
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If Fairley, Dareus, Patterson, Bowers, and AJ Green are all gone, I want Julio Jones. The situation is ideal for him, much like Dez Bryant's situation in Dallas in which he wasn't asked to be a #1. I think he would make a HUGE impact for us, I really do.
I'm really scared of Von Miller. I don't trust his strength. He seems to be a pure speed guy, and I don't know if I want that type of guy as our premier OLB. I'd like to get a more all around player at that position. Barwin is our only viable OLB in the 3-4 right now and he's exactly the same type of player as Miller.
Right now I see Julio Jones as a bigger difference maker than any of the other available players.
I'm really scared of Von Miller. I don't trust his strength. He seems to be a pure speed guy, and I don't know if I want that type of guy as our premier OLB. I'd like to get a more all around player at that position. Barwin is our only viable OLB in the 3-4 right now and he's exactly the same type of player as Miller.
Right now I see Julio Jones as a bigger difference maker than any of the other available players.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Agreed! Upend these guys and you have my draft order. I might go Houston over Quinn but like the rest. #11 has to give you a starter & I really do not see that coming as only Julio Jones will be available. Let's hope for a trade down. I do that every year anyway....
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Right now the top guy I think will be available is Justin Houston. I would also be ok with Aldon Smith or Julio Jones at 11, and a trade back for Taylor or Harris/Smith. I question drafting a DE in the first though even if someone like Watt is the top prospect left on the board. It seems like there are quite a few guys who could play DE in the 3-4 already on the roster (Williams, Smith, Mitchell & Okoye).
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brakos82
Yaters Gonna Yate.
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Shaft75
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I remember watching the Steelers, Ravens, Packers, etc. and thinking we need some bigger bodies on the defensive side of the ball. A big tank in the middle, some beastly edge rushers and some interior wrecking balls.
I said Von Miller, which right now looks like it won't happen. I could see Quinn as that big outside LB type, but he seems a little too raw for the front office, also has off field issues. Cameron Jordan may fit also. I like the size and athleticism. I don't want to go secondary with this pick either.
So my pick is...
Von Quinn Jordan
I said Von Miller, which right now looks like it won't happen. I could see Quinn as that big outside LB type, but he seems a little too raw for the front office, also has off field issues. Cameron Jordan may fit also. I like the size and athleticism. I don't want to go secondary with this pick either.
So my pick is...
Von Quinn Jordan
Shaft75
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Right into my mouth.
mariowillshine15
All Pro
Julio Jones.
Best talent available and would finally give us a threat at the #2 wideout spot.
Best talent available and would finally give us a threat at the #2 wideout spot.
Ndevine7
Rookie
If hes the bpa i have no objection taking julio but i would rather trade back to get more picks.
I'd make that trade. With the switch to the 3-4 defense we could use an extra 3rd round pick. I'd take Brandon Harris-CB at #14.
Same for me , just not quite enough information yet and its still a bit difficult to nail down who will be available.
For those talking about a trade down , I think this year with Gary being on the hot seat , its just as possibl ewe see a trade up for a top talent , impact type player. Its time for this team to take some chances rather than always taking the safe route.
I agree. Especially if there is no FA period prior to the draft. Is there is a CBA, look for the Texans to also make an acquisition for an impact player or two.
How big a difference is a #2 rookie WR going to make? How many targets will he see, after AJ and Daniels get theirs? What if Tate comes back strong, and allows the Texans to make even more of a commitment to the run? And you're assuming that Kubiak would even start a rookie WR.
There's no way that Jones could make a bigger impact than a defender who can make plays. Jones would be a luxury pick (if he were better than the defenders available, which I doubt). And the Texans cannot afford luxury.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I think he can make a huggggge difference actually. What happens to us when Andre goes down? We need someone like Julio for when Andre can't play. Plus when Andre is out there he doesn't have alot of help. Daniels does his thing but outside of some tricky TE play, our receivers are pretty bad.
I would agree that getting a defender who can make plays would be more valuable to us, but I don't see any defenders that will still be left that are expected to be as much of an impact player as Julio Jones is.
What happens when Mario, Cushing, or DeMeco go down? What happens when Matt Schaub goes down (how's that for a horror story)? We can play that game all day.
I would like for the Texans to be able to move down and garner extra picks. I don't think that the offense is so good it cannot be improved. A WR, OT, and developmental QB would be great additions. But if you go into this draft without the hindsight of free agency pickups, the Texans must find defensive players that can step in and be ready to play. That means productive, big school players and not small school projects or workout warriors. And no luxury picks.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
The 11th pick is only one player. You still have the rest of the draft to address the defense. Taking Jones in the first would mean that I would expect us to go all defense for the rest of the draft. Outside of maybe OL, our offense looks pretty good with Jones out there.
I think taking a receiver isn't a luxury pick. It makes more sense this year than people are giving credit for. Walter is already borderline ineffective. Anderson has a very limited skill set. The Jacoby Jones experiment, I think, is over. He's just too inconsistent. Dickerson is a 7th round converted TE that hasn't done anything to show that he even deserves a roster spot.
I see your argument about Daniels, and really the whole TE group because they add alot to our passing game. However, it's just not enough IMO moving forward. Not with our current WR group.
Also, if Tate came back strong and our commitment to the run increased, that's a good thing. That gives Andre and Julio more 1v1 matchups. Same goes for Daniels. I'll take Julio Jones over Kevin Walter or Jacoby Jones in 1v1 matchups every single time.
His targets and numbers may decrease, but his effectiveness will still be evident.
The situation in Houston is ideal for him IMO.
Then wait until free agency (whenever that happens) and pickup a vet WR with WCO experience. He'll be able to provide more of an impact than a rookie, anyway. Or trade a future pick for a vet WR, as the Jets & Ravens did last offseason. The future is now with this organization.
TexansSeminole
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That's fine with me too. I'll take a move like that.
If we are going to be aggressive though, why not pickup a vet defender in FA? Or trade for one for a future pick. Is there reason to believe that we will have more success in trying to trade for a WR over a defender?
My point is that WR is a need, more so than people seem to be admitting to themselves. Taking a WR in the first round, although not ideal, would help this team out quite a bit.
We need alot of defenders, but I don't think we should pass up on a BPA in Julio given the opportunity because of what happened last year with the defense. There are plenty of things we can do to upgrade the defense, we do not have to do it with the 11th pick.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
mired in mediocrity & suck-age pretty much what the Texan franchise has been doing throughout history.
yeah, wouldn't we all. But to what assurance do we have the Texans will get that right? Texans traded back 1st rd. two times in history, once in 05, the infamous selection of Travis Johnson & 08 to address LT w/Duane Brown, who most still feel had a 2nd rd. grade. It is a safer path, until proven otherwise to take the more talented & polished player first, record speaks for itself, there are no guarantees, see results (Phillip Bucanon/FA cut, Steve Slayton/one year wonder)?
Every team is on a level playing field going into the draft blind, without players contract ratification. It was the Texans choice to abandon, now GB Super-Bowl DC Capers 3-4 as it was their choice to return once again to the 3-4 scheme.
Wade is their hindsight when it comes to the defensive side. I really don't think he feels need for massive input of new players to run his defense (also think he sold McNair on this). I'm sure they'll have their board rated accordingly with need on the defensive side regardless, but to ignore higher rated offensive players who could come into next season & help this team win more close games, would be a continuation of failed approach to talent acquisition's that's marred this organization from start-up.
Higher rated by whom??? Do you actually believe there will not be a defender available that could help this defense? Seriously?
Win more close games by passing more? In the Texans 8 games that were decided by 7 points or less, they averaged over 27 ppg and over 308 passing yards. And your solution is more passing?
OK.
Ole Miss Texan
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I wouldn't be against Julio Jones at 11. I agree with some of the other posts saying our WR group is not really a strength. Outside of an injured AJ all we have a role players. I like Walter as our #3 and in to block. Any one of the rest of the wideouts are flirting with getting flat out released: Jacoby, Anderson, Davis et al. Dickerson stays only to learn and be groomed because e has some upside. JJ would be gone if he couldn't be a returnman. I think Julio could very well be the best player available at 11.
I'd rather have a great talent on the D but that's no guarantee either. Julio making as big an impact for us is just as likely as a Von Miller or Prince Amukamara.
For the record my top 5 players for us at 11 are probably Justin Houston, Julio Jones, JJ Watt, Cameron Jordan and Von Miller. That's 4 D players.
I'd rather have a great talent on the D but that's no guarantee either. Julio making as big an impact for us is just as likely as a Von Miller or Prince Amukamara.
For the record my top 5 players for us at 11 are probably Justin Houston, Julio Jones, JJ Watt, Cameron Jordan and Von Miller. That's 4 D players.
Texan4Ever
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1.) Justin Houston (after a trade down)
2.) Brandon Harris (after a trade down)
3.) Von Miller
4.) Julio Jones
5.) JJ Watt (after a trade down)
2.) Brandon Harris (after a trade down)
3.) Von Miller
4.) Julio Jones
5.) JJ Watt (after a trade down)
beerlover
Hall of Fame
last time I checked defensive & offensive players are available throughout the draft who could help the Texans if they do their homework & make the best selections which fit the direction this team is headed.
Gary Kubiak offense uses the pass to set-up the run. People complained why didn't they just give the ball to Arian Foster more? The simple answer to that is they were trying to get him the ball as much as possible by keeping teams from stacking the box & spreading them out.
I'm not going to invest the time to look up Kubiaks Texan win loss record without Andre Johnson. I'll bet it is significantly worse without him then it is with him. The Texans offense right or wrong runs through him, teams know this & can force the Texans to be one dimensional. Take Andre out & increase the odds of success. I'm not advocating bypass defensive needs but if the opportunity exists to resolve another issue on offense, it indirectly helps the defense too, by allowing more time of possession plus better field position.
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YoungTexanFan
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Robert Quinn, Justin Houston, Julio Jones.
In that order as of now. They are all instant impact players. Robert Quinn is a top 3 talent. Yeah, even with a year off, he's that good. Houston is proven, has size, and is a player. Jones is a 1b to AJ Green. I like Jones more because of the size and how he steps up when it counts most. Julio Jones is a top 10 talent no questions asked.
In that order as of now. They are all instant impact players. Robert Quinn is a top 3 talent. Yeah, even with a year off, he's that good. Houston is proven, has size, and is a player. Jones is a 1b to AJ Green. I like Jones more because of the size and how he steps up when it counts most. Julio Jones is a top 10 talent no questions asked.
Ole Miss Texan
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Size - 6'4 214lbs
Quickness and speed - can get open and is great after the catch, consistently outran SEC defenders
Great route runner
Good hands
Willing blocker and is tough
Special teams abilities
Tough to tackle
Played for Nick Saban
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFOZWmVFSek
I think he and AJ would make a GREAT #1 and #2 WR tandem. Walter would still see a decent amount of snaps. All are willing to block which Kubiak loves, all just find ways to get open. I think Julio is a great "fit" for this offense and would be used a lot (deep ball, crossing routes, screens, etc). Walter pushed to the #3 would be good. Jacoby is borderline cut for me especially if we take Julio in the 1st. Holiday to be our returnman.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I found this funny & expresses opinion from big players in buisness, there is no consensus of #11 pick? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...power-ranking-your-mock-draft-sources/page/12
Julio #6 to Cleveland & Marcell Dareus available #11
First and foremost we have to see what moves the texans make in free agency where they are going to play Brian Cushing. I think if the texans sign a top corner & safeties in free agency then depending on his workouts I would go with OLB/DE - Justin Houston as he is the 2nd most complete 3-4 OLB in the draft behind Von Miller. I say no matter what if Houston is our guy don't trade down take him at #11 why risk losing him trying to get more picks that is to risky and it happens a lot when teams get all fancy being greedy unless he has a horrible workout. I think that this guy is going to rise on teams boards as the draft get closer and teams start to watch film and if has a great workout lookout he will be a top 15 overall talent.
SteveSlaton20
Rookie
Not sold on Jimmy Smith from Colorado at #11...not sure about Aldon Smith, don't think Prince Amukamara will be there and don't think Marcell Dareus will be there either. I think I want the Texans to draft Robert Quinn, but IDK, we have too many holes. If we're going secondary with the 11th pick, I want a FS and is Rahim Moore worth the 11th pick? Wouldn't mind Von Miller either, even if he's an Aggie, he's a bad ass player.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
You know every time I see this thread & think about posting a pick, then I think back to Spike Lee's "Do the right thing" you know the part where the doctor says, " those that know wont say & those that say don't know". Not trying to post anybody up but this early what are we really saying? I usually don't make my pick until the week of the draft, three maybe four days out max. just fyi
Nothing wrong with debating until that time...
I think a lot of people appreciate what you bring to the table regarding draft/prospect talk.
I don't always agree with the analysis, but I do learn a lot about the prospects and the draft just from the discussion that takes place.
I just think that with all this time to pass, folks just want to become more familiar and keep up to date on everything draft...
beerlover
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I don't get this agree with the analysis thing yet keep blithering away with nonsensicalness stuff like it really matters, c'mon can't have it both ways
except of course in the mock draft forum where everything is just made up anyway 
ps. maybe its the beer doing the talking? fancy swilling some Stone Brewery Ruination India Pale Ale
I don't get this agree with the analysis thing yet keep blithering away with nonsensicalness stuff like it really matters, c'mon can't have it both ways
ps. maybe its the beer doing the talking? fancy swilling some Stone Brewery Ruination India Pale Ale
Yeah...Not sure what you're saying here...LOL...
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Because, why not? Everyone understands it's a fluid process, it's still early.
The problem with our position in the draft is that it may not catch the end of the elite front 7 players. Assuming Fairley, Bowers, Dareus, Quinn and Miller are gone, we will have to make a difficult decision. Maybe someone like Ayers, who is versatile enough to play inside and outside LB in the 3-4? Or Aldon Smith. But are you happy with the 3rd highest rated 3-4 OLB at #11?
What we need to happen is for a couple of QBs and OL to stand out and work their way into the top 10, that way some of these defensive guys can get pushed down to us. Gabbert and Mallett need to have great combines. So do Nate Solder, Gabe Carimi, and Tyron Smith.
I agree, sort of. I think one OT needs to stand out and separate himself from the pack. The teams below the Texans needing a LT won't feel they can wait on whoever falls to them.
It would behoove the Texans if Cam Newton has a great pre-draft workout. The Vikings could be poised to take him at #12, and the Texans at #11 would be a logical move up for a team looking for a young QB.
Also the Pats need a playmaker, and have 2 picks in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounds. Belichick is buddies with Saban, and he may have eyes for Julio Jones. And he has the ammo to make the move.
There are a lot of scenarios where the Texans can get either a big time defender to fall, or have value at their draft position. Can Smithiak take advantage of the situation? By the time everyone in the war room's vote is counted, the opportunity might slip by. The Texans need a draft czar. Someone in control who can make a snap decision and tell everyone in the room to stfu.