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Jeff Fisher OUT as Titans HC

So Jeff Fisher is also out in Tenn.

Any chance he might come here?

Would you want him here?

What job might he have if he did?

Inquiring minds want to know!
 
If this is indeed true, Fisher will have a job fairly quickly.
All the chairs have been filled. Well, except the one in Nashville.

The only times you've seen me compare to Kubiak to Fisher was when it came to the consecutive 8-8 seasons.
It wasn't just you, but many pro-Kubiak fans have used Fisher as an example of allowing a head coach time to figure it out. To turn around now and suggest that Fisher is overrated (which may hold some truth) seems hypocritical.

Not a Fisher fan,but having to deal with Bud and his cronies for 16 yrs. Fisher deserves a medal.
For that alone, I'd give the guy a bust in Canton.

Fisher may be overrated by Texan fans because they've seen him out-coach their head coach on a consistent basis. Maybe it's because our guys have sucked so hard is why Fisher seems like a good head coach?

God help us if the Titans and their new head coach finish above the Texans in 2011.
 
The great think about this is that you are serious. I have said two or three times that this isn't about Fisher vs Cowher. Just that Cowher is not a great coach. I brought it up because someone, maybe you I don't know, said how much they want Cowher if Kubiak starts out slow next season. That sentiment was heard a few weeks back when half this board was pleading for McNair to let Kubiak walk and hire Cowher, but I don't believe I said anything then.

You think I'm arguing for Fisher because of the team I support. In reality I'm simply responding to a lot of your fellow fans willing to break the bank for Cowher under the assumption that he would be a savior.

Maybe it would help if I went back and changed the original post to, "The difference between Marty Schottenheimer and Cowher is Ben Roethlisberger and Dick LeBeau. Think about it."

Stop. Just stop. Cowher is not only a great coach, but he's going to be a HOF coach. And that's not even a question. His legacy for that is already there. You want to sit here and honestly act like Ben is the reason why Cowher has a ring? GTFO with that. Ben played terrible in that SB that they won with Cowher. They despite Ben actually and Ben was no world beater that season either. Hell, in Ben's first season when his numbers were terrible and he was nothing but a game manager the Steelers went 15-1 and lost to the Dynasty Patriots in the AFC Championship game. Cowher had also almost made the SB with Kordell freaking Stewart and the 2nd round even with Tommy Maddox. Maddox!! Oh, I forgot that was all because of Lebeau. Lol!

This current team that won another SB and is there again was built by Cowher. It's ran the exact same way practically and it's got a ton of the same personal. And Cowher did take over a pretty bad team when he first got to the Steelers. He didn't somehow inherit some great team. Where did you get that stuff from? Cowher is one of the greatest coaches for the fact no matter if he had a down year or not he could always regroup and bounce right back the next season or two and become a contender again. Very few coaches in the history of the NFL have had that type of ability to do that consistently over a period like that and get a ring at the end of the day.
 
So Jeff Fisher is also out in Tenn.

Any chance he might come here?

Would you want him here?

What job might he have if he did?

Inquiring minds want to know!

I would say there is close to a 0% chance he ends up in Houston. I don't see Fisher taking less than a DC job right now. Just curious, does Fisher have any experience in the 3-4?
 
Just curious, does Fisher have any experience in the 3-4?
Not really. Fisher was the Niners DB coach in '92 & '93, when they were in a 3-4. But, he never implemented the system as a coordinator or a head coach.
 
All the chairs have been filled. Well, except the one in Nashville.


It wasn't just you, but many pro-Kubiak fans have used Fisher as an example of allowing a head coach time to figure it out. To turn around now and suggest that Fisher is overrated (which may hold some truth) seems hypocritical.

Oh I remember. Fisher was a total benchmark example many of times for the Kubes supporters to suggest he needed extra seasons to turn this franchise into some long term winner. The Fisher and Landry comparisons were like a dynamic duo. I can't believe that the same guys are actually bashing Fisher now when he was the measuring stick of success through patience of his tenure just 12 months ago. Very interesting how things have changed. Lol!


For that alone, I'd give the guy a bust in Canton.

Fisher may be overrated by Texan fans because they've seen him out-coach their head coach on a consistent basis. Maybe it's because our guys have sucked so hard is why Fisher seems like a good head coach?

Fisher has been a very good coach. One thing that I find funny as well is that on one hand Bud was this horrible owner that wouldn't retain any of his players ever or bring in any talent according to some, but then the same people still criticize Fisher for being some overrated coach. You can't have it both ways and criticize Bud as this anti christ or NFL owners that is destined to lose, but then act like Fisher was a bad coach because he couldn't win under that bad owner that was such an alleged franchise killer.

Personally I think Fisher over achieved a lot throughout his tenure there. He wasn't quite as good as Cowher, but he wasn't that far from him either in my opinion.
 
... Bud is still the flag man on the tracks. Houston was only the "practice run."
He's the common denominator in all his teams failures.

Just a quick visit to titanstailgate.com and most of them seem pretty happy about this. At least most who have posted on this so far.
I'm dreading the immediate future. It's taken 20 years for the Chiefs to turn it around and Lamar Hunt had to die before it could happen. He was nothing like Bud, either.

By the way, we all got season ticket renewal notices in the mail recently. Decisions, decisions.
 
Personally I think Fisher over achieved a lot throughout his tenure there. He wasn't quite as good as Cowher, but he wasn't that far from him either in my opinion.
I agree with this. Fisher will get another shot, and I believe he will have success. But, he needs a good personnel guy.
 
Stop. Just stop. Cowher is not only a great coach, but he's going to be a HOF coach. And that's not even a question. His legacy for that is already there. You want to sit here and honestly act like Ben is the reason why Cowher has a ring? GTFO with that. Ben played terrible in that SB that they won with Cowher. They despite Ben actually and Ben was no world beater that season either. Hell, in Ben's first season when his numbers were terrible and he was nothing but a game manager the Steelers went 15-1 and lost to the Dynasty Patriots in the AFC Championship game. Cowher had also almost made the SB with Kordell freaking Stewart and the 2nd round even with Tommy Maddox. Maddox!! Oh, I forgot that was all because of Lebeau. Lol!

This current team that won another SB and is there again was built by Cowher. It's ran the exact same way practically and it's got a ton of the same personal. And Cowher did take over a pretty bad team when he first got to the Steelers. He didn't somehow inherit some great team. Where did you get that stuff from? Cowher is one of the greatest coaches for the fact no matter if he had a down year or not he could always regroup and bounce right back the next season or two and become a contender again. Very few coaches in the history of the NFL have had that type of ability to do that consistently over a period like that and get a ring at the end of the day.

And if Cowher gets into the Hall of Fame we can have this same argument. I've said my piece, but I'll add that Ben has two rings (probably about to get his third) one of those without Cowher.

Personally I think Fisher over achieved a lot throughout his tenure there. He wasn't quite as good as Cowher, but he wasn't that far from him either in my opinion.

OK, I don't necessarily disagree with the bold part, but that makes your other post sound crazy. I wouldn't put Fisher anywhere near Canton yet you've already inducted Cowher, and then you said their careers are comparable.
 
...but I'll add that Ben has two rings (probably about to get his third) one of those without Cowher.
What's ironic is that we have had recent discussions here suggesting that the only difference between Roethlisberger and Matt Schaub is that Ben has the Steelers defense. A lot of "chicken or the egg" arguments popping up.
 
What's ironic is that we have had recent discussions here suggesting that the only difference between Roethlisberger and Matt Schaub is that Ben has the Steelers defense. A lot of "chicken or the egg" arguments popping up.


That's a fair point and one you can't easily dismiss. Ben's stats aren't crazy good and that defense has been incredible for years. A QB "managing the game" tends to get a bad name. If it were easy more teams with great defenses would have Super Bowl rings.
 
And if Cowher gets into the Hall of Fame we can have this same argument. I've said my piece, but I'll add that Ben has two rings (probably about to get his third) one of those without Cowher.

So now Ben's two rings mean that it was because of him and not Cowher on the first one when Ben was hardly even looked at by most as a great NFL QB? Lol! Geez, I'm about as big of a fan of Ben as you'll find, but get off of it. The Steelers main recipe of their success has been their defensive dominance over the last decade. Who do you think built this defense that is there now? You think Cowher had no say so in who was drafted the last 15 years and that it wasn't Cowher that wanted Lebeau in the first place as their DC? Cowher was a defensive coach before he was ever a HC as well and he's been a damn good defensive mind for years. And who do you think wanted Ben in the first place? Cowher, that's who. Ben was not some highly touted QB that teams all over the league were after. Cowher's teams won a ton before Ben ever got there, they won when Ben was a rookie who hardly was even allowed to pass, and don't forget that the Steelers were still winning games this season when Ben was suspended under Charlie Batch. Ben is not this missing link to the Steelers success like you're trying to make people believe.
 
And if Cowher gets into the Hall of Fame we can have this same argument. I've said my piece, but I'll add that Ben has two rings (probably about to get his third) one of those without Cowher.

Switzer has a ring, too, and that means he piggy-backed off Jimmy Johnson's success.

The Steelers organization has a lot of good things going for it. Cowher was one of those. Tomlin came in as a guy who had to continue what Cowher and others had built before him. Tomlin could have screwed it up. He didn't.

Besides, the Super Bowl that Cowher lost to the Cowboys was against THE COWBOYS of the 90s. I mean, they were beastly. They were IT back then, and so I don't knock Cowher for not winning that one. He was THERE. And he's been there more than once.

From the owner, to the GM, to the scouts, to the coaches and assistants, and everywhere in-between...that Steelers organization has a lot of GOOD that's been going on for a long time. And Cowher is a piece of that puzzle.

Look at your team. Outside of the one SB appearance, it can't even be looked at in the same vein as the consistency of Cowher's Steelers teams. Again, not just due to each HC...but rather by looking at ALL the pieces of the puzzle.

And I also believe that your team is just as capable as the Falcons proved to be when it comes to turning dicey situations into something better. You guys could easily snap back to form and kick butt in the AFC South, especially if the new guy finds a way to have fresh eyes for the stale approach Fisher was taking with the team over the past several years.

Elway, it should be noted, didn't go to a Super Bowl every year. He didn't even win a SB until the end of his career and he's considered to be in the top tier of NFL QBs to have played the game. I think lots of things came together for Elway and Shanahan to win a SB (Terrell Davis was HUGE in that regard). So it's OK to say that Big Ben needed Cowher just as much as Cowher needed Big Ben. And Tomlin's success is not stand alone, either. I'd like to see him do the same thing by going and becoming a head coach with Buffalo or Oakland.

If I had to choose who I want to instill a winning attitude within my team, I'm choosing Cowher over Fisher. Easily.
 
I'm dreading the immediate future. It's taken 20 years for the Chiefs to turn it around and Lamar Hunt had to die before it could happen. He was nothing like Bud, either.

Bud might have 20 more minutes on this earth not years, unless the dude is a vampire which judging by his looks lately it could be possible.
 
OK, I don't necessarily disagree with the bold part, but that makes your other post sound crazy. I wouldn't put Fisher anywhere near Canton yet you've already inducted Cowher, and then you said their careers are comparable.

Why? If you read my post I spoke pretty much nothing but positive things about Fisher. I don't agree with anyone about Fisher being "overrated."

And whether or not you or I think or don't think or agree or disagree about Cowher being HOF worthy, I can assure you that he'll be there. Many sports analysts have talked about it for years and his credentials are easily worthy.
 
Bud might have 20 more minutes on this earth not years, unless the dude is a vampire which judging by his looks lately it could be possible.
Can you do me a favor? Photoshop a pic of the Titanic breaking apart in the middle of our flooded field from last May. I need to laugh through my pain. I could use a garlic rope, too, for the next time Bud comes into town.
 
So now Ben's two rings mean that it was because of him and not Cowher on the first one when Ben was hardly even looked at by most as a great NFL QB? Lol! Geez, I'm about as big of a fan of Ben as you'll find, but get off of it. The Steelers main recipe of their success has been their defensive dominance over the last decade. Who do you think built this defense that is there now? You think Cowher had no say so in who was drafted the last 15 years and that it wasn't Cowher that wanted Lebeau in the first place as their DC? Cowher was a defensive coach before he was ever a HC as well and he's been a damn good defensive mind for years. And who do you think wanted Ben in the first place? Cowher, that's who. Ben was not some highly touted QB that teams all over the league were after. Cowher's teams won a ton before Ben ever got there, they won when Ben was a rookie who hardly was even allowed to pass, and don't forget that the Steelers were still winning games this season when Ben was suspended under Charlie Batch. Ben is not this missing link to the Steelers success like you're trying to make people believe.

There is no doubt that Cowher made his imprint on that organization and that it is still seen in the current team, and that's not what I'm arguing. I'm also not saying Ben is some incredible quarterback that could win with anybody. I'm simply noting that its not a coincidence that Cowher didn't win one before Ben, just like Shanahan hasn't won without Elway. That's not the end all, be all in the equation of a great coach, but I think it comes into play in the big scheme.

GP, very good post and I agree with just about everything in it. There is no comparison between the two organizations.
 
I told you not to park in his spot coach
- Sean Jones


I cant believe it..turn off the comp to take care of sick kid and whammo this happens.
Is Bud Adams YES a Moron ..I couldnt even finish my thought about him before I said yes...
 
As soon as I thought who would they hire...guess who popped up on NFLN.

Dom Capers....you heard it here first.

Do you think Bud is that YES Stupid ..dang did it again.
 
Spurs, I've heard that name as well. That would be unfortunate.

Clayton just mentioned Munchak, Dave McGinnis and Heimerdinger. I can't see Dinger being offered/accepting that though.
 
The AFC South has changed dramatically this year. The Colts are getting old and are about to tie up most if not all of their money on one guy. the Titans look like they could be really bad next year no VY no ,fisher. Who knows what the heck they are doing in LA errrr Jacksonville.

Is it safe to say the Texans have the most stable franchise in the division?maybe. until # 18 is gone and we are in the playoffs I think the Colts still are...Is there any chance of falling Pianos at the pro bowl or would Peyton part it like he did the red sea?
 
Haha Peyton is about indestructible... pianos have nothing on the guy. It will be even more interesting next season if neither Houston or Jax make the playoffs.
 
Credit to JDizzle for this pic....


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In typical Bud Adams fashion, he waits till all the jobs are filled to part ways with his coach. Prevents him from getting a job.
 
Lots of great discussion on this topic. However, it seems to be only a handful who see what I've seen. Jeff Fischer has had some good people to work with in Tennessee, and his accomplishments aren't as great as they should have been.

I think he's a good head coach, but not great. The difference between the two isn't as large as what some would have you believe. IMO, bringing Fisher back to Houston would not be an upgrade over Kubiak. Our defense would be better, our offense would be worse, we'd win about 7-9 games a year.

What's going to be awkward is when the Titans make the playoffs with their new coach before the Texans do.

Talk about weirdness.

Other teams have turned it around with a new coach. Titans could do it, too.

I know this is the most popular sentiment around here. But I think it is way off base. "Turned it around" is a relative statement. Anyone going to Tennessee right now would find a team that expects to win. Sure you'll have a few people there with the 9-5 attitude, the "I'm set if I make the team" attitude, but of the 53 players, and the management team, I would be 90% of them are there to win games. With maybe 30% working towards winning a Super Bowl.

In 2006, I think Texans had 20% of it's organization trying to win games, & less than 10% working towards a championship. Today, I think we're closer to 90% working towards winning & 40%-50% working towards a Super Bowl.

I know the W/L is important, & right now it doesn't show that the Texans have turned anything around. But you know, if you've ever been in a leadership position, mindsets have to be changed first.

There are several things that has led me to believe the Texans' mindset has changed for the better. Biggest among those is letting Dunta Robinson go. Letting Reeves go, Letting Okam go (finally). There are things those players said & did, that had me questioning their commitment to winning. Another thing, I don't know what the media exposure of the Texans was like during the Capers years, I was a very casual fan back then. But now, just about every player has a radio show, or is quoted in the papers almost daily (during the season). & to a T, they all repeat the same message. They don't take stabs at each other, & they'll defend each other. You never hear (at least I haven't) the offense blame the defense, or the defense blame the offense. You don't hear the secondary blaming the DL, or the LBs blaming the secondary, or the old guys blaming the rookies, or the rookies blaming the old guys. They're very united, & like I said to a T after every game, to explain the loss each player I heard would talk about what they could have done to win the game.

Arian rushes for 158, he'll tell you about a touchdown he missed, or a pass he should have caught, or a block he should have made.

In no way am I excusing Kubiak's performance here. Nor am I saying I am happy, or satisfied with what Kubiak has done. Like many others, I believe Kubiak has done as much as he can do for this team. I think we are in a better position now, than we were at the end of the 2005 season.

I think we have a team that believes they can win. For some reason, they (not I) believe they can win with Kubiak. I don't know how much longer that will be the case. If I were making the decisions, I wouldn't have chanced it, again. 2009 should have been the year, 2010 was dismal. If we have another dismal year, & with the CBA & all that, chances are we will, this team may fall apart, & we truly will be starting over.
 
Lots of great discussion on this topic. However, it seems to be only a handful who see what I've seen. Jeff Fischer has had some good people to work with in Tennessee, and his accomplishments aren't as great as they should have been.

I think he's a good head coach, but not great. The difference between the two isn't as large as what some would have you believe. IMO, bringing Fisher back to Houston would not be an upgrade over Kubiak. Our defense would be better, our offense would be worse, we'd win about 7-9 games a year.



I know this is the most popular sentiment around here. But I think it is way off base. "Turned it around" is a relative statement. Anyone going to Tennessee right now would find a team that expects to win. Sure you'll have a few people there with the 9-5 attitude, the "I'm set if I make the team" attitude, but of the 53 players, and the management team, I would be 90% of them are there to win games. With maybe 30% working towards winning a Super Bowl.

In 2006, I think Texans had 20% of it's organization trying to win games, & less than 10% working towards a championship. Today, I think we're closer to 90% working towards winning & 40%-50% working towards a Super Bowl.

I know the W/L is important, & right now it doesn't show that the Texans have turned anything around. But you know, if you've ever been in a leadership position, mindsets have to be changed first.

There are several things that has led me to believe the Texans' mindset has changed for the better. Biggest among those is letting Dunta Robinson go. Letting Reeves go, Letting Okam go (finally). There are things those players said & did, that had me questioning their commitment to winning. Another thing, I don't know what the media exposure of the Texans was like during the Capers years, I was a very casual fan back then. But now, just about every player has a radio show, or is quoted in the papers almost daily (during the season). & to a T, they all repeat the same message. They don't take stabs at each other, & they'll defend each other. You never hear (at least I haven't) the offense blame the defense, or the defense blame the offense. You don't hear the secondary blaming the DL, or the LBs blaming the secondary, or the old guys blaming the rookies, or the rookies blaming the old guys. They're very united, & like I said to a T after every game, to explain the loss each player I heard would talk about what they could have done to win the game.

Arian rushes for 158, he'll tell you about a touchdown he missed, or a pass he should have caught, or a block he should have made.

In no way am I excusing Kubiak's performance here. Nor am I saying I am happy, or satisfied with what Kubiak has done. Like many others, I believe Kubiak has done as much as he can do for this team. I think we are in a better position now, than we were at the end of the 2005 season.

I think we have a team that believes they can win. For some reason, they (not I) believe they can win with Kubiak. I don't know how much longer that will be the case. If I were making the decisions, I wouldn't have chanced it, again. 2009 should have been the year, 2010 was dismal. If we have another dismal year, & with the CBA & all that, chances are we will, this team may fall apart, & we truly will be starting over.

You're seriously assigning percentages like that? I guess I can't argue with that. I mean, I was thinking it was more like 18.37% of Texans trying to win games, and 3.92% trying to win the Super Bowl, but now it's about 58% this and 81% that. Come on, man. Stop trying to complicate this.

It's not even about US. This is about the Titans. We love to villify them, I'm right there in the thick of it, but they could very easily kick our butts next year and win enough games to make the playoffs. The dysfunction they had this year, IMO, is what brought them down. With a mentally stable QB, there's no telling what they can do. The AFC South is wide open, and the Texans surely don't want to win it. I'm about 97.634% sure of that. The division is wide open, and we didn't have the dysfunction that the Titans had this year. That says a lot, IMO, and it's not a lot of "good" about us.

As much as I dislike the Titans, I'm on record as saying they can turn it around in one year and be back where they had been a few seasons ago. However it was, or whoever it was, that decided Fisher was done, is going to be a blessing in disguise for that team.

Once again, this is about the Titans and not us.
 
I didn't see it mentioned in the thread, but there was a snippet running across the bottom of my TV late last night. It said Fisher was trying to get his kid a job with the titans as a quality control guy. Apparently buddy has a strict policy about having family working together.

Like I said, it was one runner across my screen around 12-12:30. I had been drinking, but promise it was real.

As far as the thread's concerned

The Dumpster :vincepalm:
 
I didn't see it mentioned in the thread, but there was a snippet running across the bottom of my TV late last night. It said Fisher was trying to get his kid a job with the titans as a quality control guy. Apparently buddy has a strict policy about having family working together.

Like I said, it was one runner across my screen around 12-12:30. I had been drinking, but promise it was real.

As far as the thread's concerned

The Dumpster :vincepalm:

:lol:
 
Only a jackass like Bud would fire the ONE coach who took his monkey ass to his ONLY Superbowl.

But 16 years is a long time, man.

Six. Teen. Years.

That's a crazy amount of time to have been with one NFL team. I think, realistically, it should have been done a year or two earlier.
 
Welcome back to #1 :)

LOL.

Dude, you are a TRIP.

The Mel Kiper of message boards. We're always seeing who is climbing up the ladder and falling down a spot or two in your mock rankings. I love it. You've got a great schtick going on here. Kudos.
 
Yep, and people (FT, not directed at you even though I quoted you - just continuing the thought) want to call McNair cheap. How many players did Bud refuse to pay?? His cheapskate ways kept the Oilers from ever building a top notch team while in Houston. Note the qualifier while in Houston, after leaving, his desire to stick it to Houston loosened up the purse strings a bit.

Everyone should know my feelings about Slug Adams around here. So far be it from me to defend the guy. However, all that aside, the Oilers were one of the highest payrolled teams during the run-and-shoot days. Bud didn't choke a 35-3 lead away, so I can't blame him for that one. That team went to the playoffs 7 years in a row, and he gave his FO everything they needed financially to put a solid team together.

I hate that he took the Oilers away. But truth be told, he wasn't playing the game of Houston's rich boy's club. His regret is that he didn't let Uncle Drayton move the Astros first, because the Oilers would still be here if he had a little patience and played the political game.

What's going to be awkward is when the Titans make the playoffs with their new coach before the Texans do.

Talk about weirdness.

Other teams have turned it around with a new coach. Titans could do it, too.

It's so traumatic! How will they ever get through it?? Oh, like most teams, one day at a time.

As far as Cowher, one stat really blows me away. Through the Super Bowl, Cowher's team had compiled a record of 108–1–1 in games in which they built a lead of at least eleven points.

Other interesting factoids: Cowher is only the second coach in NFL history to lead his team to the playoffs in each of his first six seasons as head coach, joining Pro Football Hall of Fame member Paul Brown. He is one of only six coaches in NFL history to claim at least seven division titles. At the conclusion of the 2005 season, the Pittsburgh Steelers had the best record of any team in the National Football League since Cowher was hired as head coach.

People that downplay his achievements because of his staff or players are just ignorant. Go look at the staffs of Lombardi, Walsh, Landry, Parcells. Great head coaches find great assistance coaches, who often go on to be great head coaches themselves, and this staff finds great players. This is one of the things that make them great coaches!! That says a lot about the quality decisions that HoF head coaches make. THEY DO NOT HIRE THEIR FREAKIN' BUDDIES OVER BETTER QUALIFIED COACHES!!!
 
Everyone should know my feelings about Slug Adams around here. So far be it from me to defend the guy. However, all that aside, the Oilers were one of the highest payrolled teams during the run-and-shoot days. Bud didn't choke a 35-3 lead away, so I can't blame him for that one. That team went to the playoffs 7 years in a row, and he gave his FO everything they needed financially to put a solid team together.

I hate that he took the Oilers away. But truth be told, he wasn't playing the game of Houston's rich boy's club. His regret is that he didn't let Uncle Drayton move the Astros first, because the Oilers would still be here if he had a little patience and played the political game.



It's so traumatic! How will they ever get through it?? Oh, like most teams, one day at a time.

As far as Cowher, one stat really blows me away. Through the Super Bowl, Cowher's team had compiled a record of 108–1–1 in games in which they built a lead of at least eleven points.

Other interesting factoids: Cowher is only the second coach in NFL history to lead his team to the playoffs in each of his first six seasons as head coach, joining Pro Football Hall of Fame member Paul Brown. He is one of only six coaches in NFL history to claim at least seven division titles. At the conclusion of the 2005 season, the Pittsburgh Steelers had the best record of any team in the National Football League since Cowher was hired as head coach.

People that downplay his achievements because of his staff or players are just ignorant. Go look at the staffs of Lombardi, Walsh, Landry, Parcells. Great head coaches find great assistance coaches, who often go on to be great head coaches themselves, and this staff finds great players. This is one of the things that make them great coaches!! That says a lot about the quality decisions that HoF head coaches make. THEY DO NOT HIRE THEIR FREAKIN' BUDDIES OVER BETTER QUALIFIED COACHES!!!

Yeah, we could play this game all day DB. For the people that want to discredit Cowher for some silly reason by using DIck Lebeau as his only reason for success does anyone care to want to know the assistants that Bill Walsh had?? Lol! He had like Marriuchi, Gruden, and even Holmgren if I'm not mistaken and a few others that have gone on to become big names. What about Bill Parcells? The guy had Bill freaking Billicheck whom I think at this point is the best HC of all time. Parcells also had Sean Payton on his staff and Todd Haley as well.

It's like you said, smart HC's and GM's go out and get qualified guys who can make sure the job gets done. They don't sit around and stroke their buddies up and keep them around for friendship sake like Kubes and Mack Brown while the team suffers.
 
However, all that aside, the Oilers were one of the highest payrolled teams during the run-and-shoot days. Bud didn't choke a 35-3 lead away, so I can't blame him for that one. That team went to the playoffs 7 years in a row, and he gave his FO everything they needed financially to put a solid team together.


I hate that he took the Oilers away. But truth be told, he wasn't playing the game of Houston's rich boy's club. His regret is that he didn't let Uncle Drayton move the Astros first, because the Oilers would still be here if he had a little patience and played the political game.

And I thought about mentioning this earlier, because it seems like some of the people that want to act like Bud Adams was this horrible owner who wouldn't sign any players througout his entire tenure in Houston either seem to be not that informed themselves or are just playing the "denial" game because it's convenient.

Bud stacked that Oilers team in the late 80's to early 90's. He put together plenty of SB talent teams. His biggest mistake back then was thinking that Jack Pardee of all people could lead them there. The Oilers were stacked all over the place even with quality depth as well. We had like 4 play making WR's at one point in Duncan, Givens, Jeffries, and Slaughter. The Oline was stacked with Munchack, Mathews, and Doug Dawson. The D line had some killers in Childress and Fuller. Don't even get me started on the secondary. We had a HOF freaking QB on top of that. Hell, Bud even went out and got the nastiest and meanest DC in the league in Buddy Ryan.

The Oilers had the talent and personal to win the SB plenty of years. Bud gave them the resources as far as the soldiers. Some of those Oilers teams were stacked. It wasn't his fault that Elway made one of his miraculous come backs against us or that the Bills came back after 32 points.
 
Replaced Bum Phillips with Ed Biles, Hugh Campbell, Jerry Glanville. McNair still has a way to go to reach Adam's ineptitude.
 
Replaced Bum Phillips with Ed Biles, Hugh Campbell, Jerry Glanville. McNair still has a way to go to reach Adam's ineptitude.

He's working on catching up with a list that includes Dom Capers and Gary Kubiak. ;)

At least Bud has Bum and some really good teams on his owner resume. McNair has...a brazillion consecutive sellouts as his highlight.

I hate hate hate that I have to admit anything good about Adams. But I can't revise history because of my dislike of the man and his decision. The Oilers left a legacy with this city that has yet to be fulfilled. We have many passionate football fans because of Oilers roots, and those roots are what keeps McNair's coffers filled to the brim.
 
I don't understand why people would say Fisher is overrated and Cowher is some kind of football god in the same breath. The difference between Fisher and Cowher is Ben Roethlisberger and Dick LeBeau. Think about it.

Rothlisraper? Really? You're right, if only you had a guy who could consistently throw for a 150 yards a game and let the run game and defense win it for him......oh wait, you do have that.

You had your Dick LeBeau too. Right now he is in Detroit much like Dick went to the Bengals.
 
He's working on catching up with a list that includes Dom Capers and Gary Kubiak. ;)

At least Bud has Bum and some really good teams on his owner resume. McNair has...a brazillion consecutive sellouts as his highlight.

I hate hate hate that I have to admit anything good about Adams. But I can't revise history because of my dislike of the man and his decision. The Oilers left a legacy with this city that has yet to be fulfilled. We have many passionate football fans because of Oilers roots, and those roots are what keeps McNair's coffers filled to the brim.

While I can agree with you to a point about the good teams the Oilers had, many here are either to young or just don't recall the pain and frustration that Oiler fans had over the years. Prior to Bum being hired in 1975 , the Oilers were a collective 49-100 over the previous 11 years. That was with a 14 game schedule. Bud made no effort to improve the team at all prior to Bum & Earl.
 
Rothlisraper? Really? You're right, if only you had a guy who could consistently throw for a 150 yards a game and let the run game and defense win it for him......oh wait, you do have that.

You had your Dick LeBeau too. Right now he is in Detroit much like Dick went to the Bengals.

Yeah he didn't throw for a whole lot but that final drive cemented his ascent into glory. I believe that Rothelisberger is the greatest 4th quarter QB ever. He lives for the final two minutes.
 
Yeah he didn't throw for a whole lot but that final drive cemented his ascent into glory. I believe that Rothelisberger is the greatest 4th quarter QB ever. He lives for the final two minutes.

I respectfully disagree.

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Joe Montana

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Roger Staubach
 
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