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One of the biggest tragedies of all time!
All the chairs have been filled. Well, except the one in Nashville.If this is indeed true, Fisher will have a job fairly quickly.
It wasn't just you, but many pro-Kubiak fans have used Fisher as an example of allowing a head coach time to figure it out. To turn around now and suggest that Fisher is overrated (which may hold some truth) seems hypocritical.The only times you've seen me compare to Kubiak to Fisher was when it came to the consecutive 8-8 seasons.
For that alone, I'd give the guy a bust in Canton.Not a Fisher fan,but having to deal with Bud and his cronies for 16 yrs. Fisher deserves a medal.
The great think about this is that you are serious. I have said two or three times that this isn't about Fisher vs Cowher. Just that Cowher is not a great coach. I brought it up because someone, maybe you I don't know, said how much they want Cowher if Kubiak starts out slow next season. That sentiment was heard a few weeks back when half this board was pleading for McNair to let Kubiak walk and hire Cowher, but I don't believe I said anything then.
You think I'm arguing for Fisher because of the team I support. In reality I'm simply responding to a lot of your fellow fans willing to break the bank for Cowher under the assumption that he would be a savior.
Maybe it would help if I went back and changed the original post to, "The difference between Marty Schottenheimer and Cowher is Ben Roethlisberger and Dick LeBeau. Think about it."
So Jeff Fisher is also out in Tenn.
Any chance he might come here?
Would you want him here?
What job might he have if he did?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Not really. Fisher was the Niners DB coach in '92 & '93, when they were in a 3-4. But, he never implemented the system as a coordinator or a head coach.Just curious, does Fisher have any experience in the 3-4?
All the chairs have been filled. Well, except the one in Nashville.
It wasn't just you, but many pro-Kubiak fans have used Fisher as an example of allowing a head coach time to figure it out. To turn around now and suggest that Fisher is overrated (which may hold some truth) seems hypocritical.
For that alone, I'd give the guy a bust in Canton.
Fisher may be overrated by Texan fans because they've seen him out-coach their head coach on a consistent basis. Maybe it's because our guys have sucked so hard is why Fisher seems like a good head coach?
He's the common denominator in all his teams failures.... Bud is still the flag man on the tracks. Houston was only the "practice run."
I'm dreading the immediate future. It's taken 20 years for the Chiefs to turn it around and Lamar Hunt had to die before it could happen. He was nothing like Bud, either.Just a quick visit to titanstailgate.com and most of them seem pretty happy about this. At least most who have posted on this so far.
I agree with this. Fisher will get another shot, and I believe he will have success. But, he needs a good personnel guy.Personally I think Fisher over achieved a lot throughout his tenure there. He wasn't quite as good as Cowher, but he wasn't that far from him either in my opinion.
Stop. Just stop. Cowher is not only a great coach, but he's going to be a HOF coach. And that's not even a question. His legacy for that is already there. You want to sit here and honestly act like Ben is the reason why Cowher has a ring? GTFO with that. Ben played terrible in that SB that they won with Cowher. They despite Ben actually and Ben was no world beater that season either. Hell, in Ben's first season when his numbers were terrible and he was nothing but a game manager the Steelers went 15-1 and lost to the Dynasty Patriots in the AFC Championship game. Cowher had also almost made the SB with Kordell freaking Stewart and the 2nd round even with Tommy Maddox. Maddox!! Oh, I forgot that was all because of Lebeau. Lol!
This current team that won another SB and is there again was built by Cowher. It's ran the exact same way practically and it's got a ton of the same personal. And Cowher did take over a pretty bad team when he first got to the Steelers. He didn't somehow inherit some great team. Where did you get that stuff from? Cowher is one of the greatest coaches for the fact no matter if he had a down year or not he could always regroup and bounce right back the next season or two and become a contender again. Very few coaches in the history of the NFL have had that type of ability to do that consistently over a period like that and get a ring at the end of the day.
Personally I think Fisher over achieved a lot throughout his tenure there. He wasn't quite as good as Cowher, but he wasn't that far from him either in my opinion.
What's ironic is that we have had recent discussions here suggesting that the only difference between Roethlisberger and Matt Schaub is that Ben has the Steelers defense. A lot of "chicken or the egg" arguments popping up....but I'll add that Ben has two rings (probably about to get his third) one of those without Cowher.
What's ironic is that we have had recent discussions here suggesting that the only difference between Roethlisberger and Matt Schaub is that Ben has the Steelers defense. A lot of "chicken or the egg" arguments popping up.
And if Cowher gets into the Hall of Fame we can have this same argument. I've said my piece, but I'll add that Ben has two rings (probably about to get his third) one of those without Cowher.
And if Cowher gets into the Hall of Fame we can have this same argument. I've said my piece, but I'll add that Ben has two rings (probably about to get his third) one of those without Cowher.
I'm dreading the immediate future. It's taken 20 years for the Chiefs to turn it around and Lamar Hunt had to die before it could happen. He was nothing like Bud, either.
OK, I don't necessarily disagree with the bold part, but that makes your other post sound crazy. I wouldn't put Fisher anywhere near Canton yet you've already inducted Cowher, and then you said their careers are comparable.
Can you do me a favor? Photoshop a pic of the Titanic breaking apart in the middle of our flooded field from last May. I need to laugh through my pain. I could use a garlic rope, too, for the next time Bud comes into town.Bud might have 20 more minutes on this earth not years, unless the dude is a vampire which judging by his looks lately it could be possible.
So now Ben's two rings mean that it was because of him and not Cowher on the first one when Ben was hardly even looked at by most as a great NFL QB? Lol! Geez, I'm about as big of a fan of Ben as you'll find, but get off of it. The Steelers main recipe of their success has been their defensive dominance over the last decade. Who do you think built this defense that is there now? You think Cowher had no say so in who was drafted the last 15 years and that it wasn't Cowher that wanted Lebeau in the first place as their DC? Cowher was a defensive coach before he was ever a HC as well and he's been a damn good defensive mind for years. And who do you think wanted Ben in the first place? Cowher, that's who. Ben was not some highly touted QB that teams all over the league were after. Cowher's teams won a ton before Ben ever got there, they won when Ben was a rookie who hardly was even allowed to pass, and don't forget that the Steelers were still winning games this season when Ben was suspended under Charlie Batch. Ben is not this missing link to the Steelers success like you're trying to make people believe.
Haha Peyton is about indestructible... pianos have nothing on the guy. It will be even more interesting next season if neither Houston or Jax make the playoffs.
In typical Bud Adams fashion, he waits till all the jobs are filled to part ways with his coach. Prevents him from getting a job.
What's going to be awkward is when the Titans make the playoffs with their new coach before the Texans do.
Talk about weirdness.
Other teams have turned it around with a new coach. Titans could do it, too.
Lots of great discussion on this topic. However, it seems to be only a handful who see what I've seen. Jeff Fischer has had some good people to work with in Tennessee, and his accomplishments aren't as great as they should have been.
I think he's a good head coach, but not great. The difference between the two isn't as large as what some would have you believe. IMO, bringing Fisher back to Houston would not be an upgrade over Kubiak. Our defense would be better, our offense would be worse, we'd win about 7-9 games a year.
I know this is the most popular sentiment around here. But I think it is way off base. "Turned it around" is a relative statement. Anyone going to Tennessee right now would find a team that expects to win. Sure you'll have a few people there with the 9-5 attitude, the "I'm set if I make the team" attitude, but of the 53 players, and the management team, I would be 90% of them are there to win games. With maybe 30% working towards winning a Super Bowl.
In 2006, I think Texans had 20% of it's organization trying to win games, & less than 10% working towards a championship. Today, I think we're closer to 90% working towards winning & 40%-50% working towards a Super Bowl.
I know the W/L is important, & right now it doesn't show that the Texans have turned anything around. But you know, if you've ever been in a leadership position, mindsets have to be changed first.
There are several things that has led me to believe the Texans' mindset has changed for the better. Biggest among those is letting Dunta Robinson go. Letting Reeves go, Letting Okam go (finally). There are things those players said & did, that had me questioning their commitment to winning. Another thing, I don't know what the media exposure of the Texans was like during the Capers years, I was a very casual fan back then. But now, just about every player has a radio show, or is quoted in the papers almost daily (during the season). & to a T, they all repeat the same message. They don't take stabs at each other, & they'll defend each other. You never hear (at least I haven't) the offense blame the defense, or the defense blame the offense. You don't hear the secondary blaming the DL, or the LBs blaming the secondary, or the old guys blaming the rookies, or the rookies blaming the old guys. They're very united, & like I said to a T after every game, to explain the loss each player I heard would talk about what they could have done to win the game.
Arian rushes for 158, he'll tell you about a touchdown he missed, or a pass he should have caught, or a block he should have made.
In no way am I excusing Kubiak's performance here. Nor am I saying I am happy, or satisfied with what Kubiak has done. Like many others, I believe Kubiak has done as much as he can do for this team. I think we are in a better position now, than we were at the end of the 2005 season.
I think we have a team that believes they can win. For some reason, they (not I) believe they can win with Kubiak. I don't know how much longer that will be the case. If I were making the decisions, I wouldn't have chanced it, again. 2009 should have been the year, 2010 was dismal. If we have another dismal year, & with the CBA & all that, chances are we will, this team may fall apart, & we truly will be starting over.
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I didn't see it mentioned in the thread, but there was a snippet running across the bottom of my TV late last night. It said Fisher was trying to get his kid a job with the titans as a quality control guy. Apparently buddy has a strict policy about having family working together.
Like I said, it was one runner across my screen around 12-12:30. I had been drinking, but promise it was real.
As far as the thread's concerned
The Dumpster :vincepalm:
As soon as I thought who would they hire...guess who popped up on NFLN.
Dom Capers....you heard it here first.
Do you think Bud is that YES Stupid ..dang did it again.
Only a jackass like Bud would fire the ONE coach who took his monkey ass to his ONLY Superbowl.
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Yep, and people (FT, not directed at you even though I quoted you - just continuing the thought) want to call McNair cheap. How many players did Bud refuse to pay?? His cheapskate ways kept the Oilers from ever building a top notch team while in Houston. Note the qualifier while in Houston, after leaving, his desire to stick it to Houston loosened up the purse strings a bit.
What's going to be awkward is when the Titans make the playoffs with their new coach before the Texans do.
Talk about weirdness.
Other teams have turned it around with a new coach. Titans could do it, too.
Everyone should know my feelings about Slug Adams around here. So far be it from me to defend the guy. However, all that aside, the Oilers were one of the highest payrolled teams during the run-and-shoot days. Bud didn't choke a 35-3 lead away, so I can't blame him for that one. That team went to the playoffs 7 years in a row, and he gave his FO everything they needed financially to put a solid team together.
I hate that he took the Oilers away. But truth be told, he wasn't playing the game of Houston's rich boy's club. His regret is that he didn't let Uncle Drayton move the Astros first, because the Oilers would still be here if he had a little patience and played the political game.
It's so traumatic! How will they ever get through it?? Oh, like most teams, one day at a time.
As far as Cowher, one stat really blows me away. Through the Super Bowl, Cowher's team had compiled a record of 10811 in games in which they built a lead of at least eleven points.
Other interesting factoids: Cowher is only the second coach in NFL history to lead his team to the playoffs in each of his first six seasons as head coach, joining Pro Football Hall of Fame member Paul Brown. He is one of only six coaches in NFL history to claim at least seven division titles. At the conclusion of the 2005 season, the Pittsburgh Steelers had the best record of any team in the National Football League since Cowher was hired as head coach.
People that downplay his achievements because of his staff or players are just ignorant. Go look at the staffs of Lombardi, Walsh, Landry, Parcells. Great head coaches find great assistance coaches, who often go on to be great head coaches themselves, and this staff finds great players. This is one of the things that make them great coaches!! That says a lot about the quality decisions that HoF head coaches make. THEY DO NOT HIRE THEIR FREAKIN' BUDDIES OVER BETTER QUALIFIED COACHES!!!
However, all that aside, the Oilers were one of the highest payrolled teams during the run-and-shoot days. Bud didn't choke a 35-3 lead away, so I can't blame him for that one. That team went to the playoffs 7 years in a row, and he gave his FO everything they needed financially to put a solid team together.
I hate that he took the Oilers away. But truth be told, he wasn't playing the game of Houston's rich boy's club. His regret is that he didn't let Uncle Drayton move the Astros first, because the Oilers would still be here if he had a little patience and played the political game.
Replaced Bum Phillips with Ed Biles, Hugh Campbell, Jerry Glanville. McNair still has a way to go to reach Adam's ineptitude.
I don't understand why people would say Fisher is overrated and Cowher is some kind of football god in the same breath. The difference between Fisher and Cowher is Ben Roethlisberger and Dick LeBeau. Think about it.
He's working on catching up with a list that includes Dom Capers and Gary Kubiak.
At least Bud has Bum and some really good teams on his owner resume. McNair has...a brazillion consecutive sellouts as his highlight.
I hate hate hate that I have to admit anything good about Adams. But I can't revise history because of my dislike of the man and his decision. The Oilers left a legacy with this city that has yet to be fulfilled. We have many passionate football fans because of Oilers roots, and those roots are what keeps McNair's coffers filled to the brim.
Rothlisraper? Really? You're right, if only you had a guy who could consistently throw for a 150 yards a game and let the run game and defense win it for him......oh wait, you do have that.
You had your Dick LeBeau too. Right now he is in Detroit much like Dick went to the Bengals.
Yeah he didn't throw for a whole lot but that final drive cemented his ascent into glory. I believe that Rothelisberger is the greatest 4th quarter QB ever. He lives for the final two minutes.
I respectfully disagree.
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