Andrew Luck staying at Stanford

[silvrhand]

Imagine all of the first downs Cam Newton could have ran for, as a Texans player, than Matt could begin to even dream about running for.

If Newton falls to 10, Houston should grab him. One day, Matt's going to take a lick and not keep ticking. Tell Orly to hit the bricks or stay as 3rd QB. This puts your RB and your QB future in great hands. It gives Newton the towel and the clipboard for the first year. But let's face it, teams are not nearly as willing to sit a rookie QB as they once were (If you are Newton, you want a chance to play immediately, not later).

Some don't think Newton will be anything special. I disagree. The stuff I have seen from him, in midst of all the drama with his dad, tells me gobs and gobs about Newton's ability to handle pressure.

And he can run. :salivating:

But he won't last to 10, and we wouldn't take him anyways. It'd be a project pick, a mis-used pick considering we have Schaub, and now we have to use that pick on whatever Wade thinks will make the defense better....which is probably the best bet.

Name me one running QB that has ever won a superbowl?

 

[BullNation4Life]

He is probably also weighing his career prospects getting drafted by the Panthers versus some other organization. He also has to consider what it means if there is a lockout this year. Between the three, including the $10 million in insurance money in case of injury, waiting another season may be a good call.

At any rate, the kid is set in life with or without the NFL.

You know I was thinking about this on the way into work. What if this is another Archie/Eli Manning situation with SD? Archie did NOT want Eli in San Diego because of the organization. So instead of the Lucks making it a big hoopla in the media, Oliver Luck tells his boy stay another year and take our chances with another team who is not in such turmoil. They get an insurance policy if he get injured and life goes on. Andrew Luck will be THE guy to look at for the Heisman and if he wins, stock stays the same, if not he probably goes to a better team anyway, win-win...

I mean let's face it, Andrew Luck goes to Carolina, he is going to have his arse handed to him because their O-Line is horrible. Now Luck looks like a 1st pick bust and has to "David Carr" it over in Carolina.

 

[BullNation4Life]

If Jim Harbaugh and some of his staff leaves, which is looking more and more likely, then there's no telling who will come in to 'develop' him next year. If Harbaugh was staying, I wouldn't take issue with it, but with him leaving he's taking on a lot of uncertainty.

Good point unless they give it to one of his coordinators and he keeps running the same system. We'll have to wait and see...

 

[Rey]

Once you declare and get an agent, you can't be on scholarship. If there is a lockout, he won't get paid becuase owners aren't going to sign the contracts till they know what the new CBA entails.
Once the new CBA is certified, he'll have to pull out of school to begin training.

I get that...

I'm saying why wouldn't he be able to finish school at some point anyways?

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

You know I was thinking about this on the way into work. What if this is another Archie/Eli Manning situation with SD? Archie did NOT want Eli in San Diego because of the organization. So instead of the Lucks making it a big hoopla in the media, Oliver Luck tells his boy stay another year and take our chances with another team who is not in such turmoil. They get an insurance policy if he get injured and life goes on. Andrew Luck will be THE guy to look at for the Heisman and if he wins, stock stays the same, if not he probably goes to a better team anyway, win-win...

I mean let's face it, Andrew Luck goes to Carolina, he is going to have his arse handed to him because their O-Line is horrible. Now Luck looks like a 1st pick bust and has to "David Carr" it over in Carolina.

I think there's something to be said for Peyton/Eli following Archie's lead... and Andrew following his dad's lead.

In regards to Carolina: This is no different year in and year out. Look at Bradford to St. Louis, Stafford to Detroit, Russell to Oakland, Smith to San Francisco. My point is that being the #1 pick in any year is not the best situation to be in as far as going to a good team. They're generally the teams that have only won 1 or 2 or 3 games the previous season. Many times it's that team has a coaching change. If you're picked in the Top 5 any year, chances are you're going to a pretty crappy team. Sometimes it works out (Ryan to Atlanta at #3) but you have no control over where your picked.

Skip Carolina? Next year if he's drafted #1 overall, it could be to Buffalo or any number of crappy teams. I will add this though. Going to Carolina - now you're facing Drew Brees and Matt Ryan.. Buc even looked to be solid. So that could be a tough division for a Rookie to find success unless Carolina's new HC et al pulls an ATL and turns the franchise around. Part of that is getting the Franchise QB.

Will be interesting. I think no matter what everyone wishes Luck the best of, well, luck.

 

[GP]

Name me one running QB that has ever won a superbowl?

If things go right, Vick could do it this year.

McNabb almost did. Steve McNair almost did. Those two games were very close games. There was a great chance that both those games end up with both those guys winning titles.

Steve Young, remember THAT guy? He wasn't black, so a lot of people forget how much he ran the ball.

Oh, and there's this guy who also would tuck it and run quite a bit. I can't remember his name. He wasn't black, either, which I think is why it's so hard to remember him. John Elway, I think. Yeah, that's his name. He could take off and burn defenses. Burned the hell out of the Oilers running around all the time. 2 Super Bowls. Back to back. Not too shabby.

This idea that only a pure pocket passer can win the big one has been perpetuated too much. Even Unitas would tuck the ball and run.

I get tired of watching our defense get torched by mobile QBs, but our guy Schaub can't run three steps before being caught from behind by a 300+ lb. defensive lineman, or stopping short of the line of scrimmage and just flinging the ball at somebody's feet.

If the right combination comes along, an Elway or Steve Young type of QB, then the mobile QB can get it done. I think Cam has an arm, and the legs to run the ball. Like I said, though: A lot of people thought the same thing about JeMarcus Russell. So hard to foretell the future.

But I think Cam has the "it" factor. He's very marketable, too.

 

[eriadoc]

OK, all of the "Stanford degree" arguments are lame. Face facts - Luck was getting a Stanford degree regardless if he declared or not.

Q: How many Stanford degrees can NFL money buy?
A: As many as you have the time to go to class for.

As for the Texans, this might be great news. He'll probably fall a few spots, the Texans will almost certainly continue to be subpar, and therefore they might have a shot at drafting him in the future.

 

[eriadoc]

If things go right, Vick could do it this year.

McNabb almost did. Steve McNair almost did. Those two games were very close games. There was a great chance that both those games end up with both those guys winning titles.

Steve Young, remember THAT guy? He wasn't black, so a lot of people forget how much he ran the ball.

Oh, and there's this guy who also would tuck it and run quite a bit. I can't remember his name. He wasn't black, either, which I think is why it's so hard to remember him. John Elway, I think. Yeah, that's his name. He could take off and burn defenses. Burned the hell out of the Oilers running around all the time. 2 Super Bowls. Back to back. Not too shabby.

This idea that only a pure pocket passer can win the big one has been perpetuated too much. Even Unitas would tuck the ball and run.

I get tired of watching our defense get torched by mobile QBs, but our guy Schaub can't run three steps before being caught from behind by a 300+ lb. defensive lineman, or stopping short of the line of scrimmage and just flinging the ball at somebody's feet.

If the right combination comes along, an Elway or Steve Young type of QB, then the mobile QB can get it done. I think Cam has an arm, and the legs to run the ball. Like I said, though: A lot of people thought the same thing about JeMarcus Russell. So hard to foretell the future.

But I think Cam has the "it" factor. He's very marketable, too.

Those were passing QBs that ran once in a while. No running QB has ever seen much success until they made passing the #1 threat of their game. Then the running threat was an added tool. When running is the prime factor of your game, you're not a good QB.

 

[Stemp]

OK, all of the "Stanford degree" arguments are lame. Face facts - Luck was getting a Stanford degree regardless if he declared or not.

Q: How many Stanford degrees can NFL money buy?
A: As many as you have the time to go to class for.

As for the Texans, this might be great news. He'll probably fall a few spots, the Texans will almost certainly continue to be subpar, and therefore they might have a shot at drafting him in the future.

A Standford degree comes in handy 10 years down the road when he's retired from the NFL (or even just a few years if he gets injured) and isn't dependant on his accountant to make sure he has enough money to live. The real world is a shocker to many former players when they stop pickign up the huge paychecks and look around to see if their money was invested wisely or if they have good prospects for a job or business when their knees, backs, elbows, etc aren't in good condition and can't make them money anymore.

 

[eriadoc]

A Standford degree comes in handy 10 years down the road when he's retired from the NFL (or even just a few years if he gets injured) and isn't dependant on his accountant to make sure he has enough money to live. The real world is a shocker to many former players when they stop pickign up the huge paychecks and look around to see if their money was invested wisely or if they have good prospects for a job or business when their knees, backs, elbows, etc aren't in good condition and can't make them money anymore.

I'm not disagreeing with why they need a degree. I'm just saying that the argument that he has to get it now is ridiculous. When you have that kind of money, you can pay tuition anywhere you like, whenever you like.

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

A Standford degree comes in handy 10 years down the road when he's retired from the NFL (or even just a few years if he gets injured) and isn't dependant on his accountant to make sure he has enough money to live. The real world is a shocker to many former players when they stop pickign up the huge paychecks and look around to see if their money was invested wisely or if they have good prospects for a job or business when their knees, backs, elbows, etc aren't in good condition and can't make them money anymore.

No doubt about it. But would you rather have:

1) $50MM+ guaranteed to you and a Stanford degree.
2) A Stanford degree (first) and take the risk of you (1) getting injured (2) getting drafted lower (3) rookie payscale kicking in.

For Comparison Purposes (2010 Draft):
#1 - QB Sam Bradford - 6 year deal worth $78MM with $50MM guaranteed.
#6 - LT Russell Okung - 6 year deal worth $48MM with $30MM guaranteed.
#9 - RB CJ Spiller - 5 year deal worth $25MM with $20MM guaranteed.

No one is saying to skip a Stanford degree. We're just saying, our opinion is that the wise move would be to take the guaranteed $'s now and earn your degree (2 semesters remaining I assume) in the offseasons. He could easily finish up his degree before his rookie contract is up.

 

[MojoX]

PFT is adding that Manning was an advisor: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...advised-andrew-luck-on-returning-to-stanford/

Just wondering publicly... Does anyone know how the risk factor of severe injury varies from position to position? Should QBs be as concerned as RBs? Does that even matter?

Seems Luck wants to have a strong NFL career more than he wants to maximize first contract money and thinks the extra season will help his development. I don't know that going 1 versus going 10 is as big a deal to him as making sure he makes the NFL transition into a fruitful career. Would be interesting to look at past QBs to see if 4 years is a significant factor in NFL QB success.

I'm not saying he is right or wrong, just trying to get into his thinking.
...

I thought about Leinhart's draft status falling after his last year, but I also remember reports that he had shoulder problems after his junior season that needed offseason addressing and was an overlooked factor in his decision. Don't have time to fetch a link, right now, or else I'd provide one to verify my vague recollection.

 

[Dutchrudder]

FYI to the money factor arguments, the 2011 draft will be subject to the new CBA rules, so nobody should be signed until that is worked out. If the deal is done with a pay scale, then luck would get the proposed 3 year x $$$ deal.

 

[gary]

Why should I judge his choice either way? Whatever he wants to do but it does not effect me one or the other. There is an argument to be made on both sides but I just hope he was not presured and decided this on his own. Good for him I wish him all the best.

 

[Rey]

If things go right, Vick could do it this year.

McNabb almost did. Steve McNair almost did. Those two games were very close games. There was a great chance that both those games end up with both those guys winning titles.

Steve Young, remember THAT guy? He wasn't black, so a lot of people forget how much he ran the ball.

Oh, and there's this guy who also would tuck it and run quite a bit. I can't remember his name. He wasn't black, either, which I think is why it's so hard to remember him. John Elway, I think. Yeah, that's his name. He could take off and burn defenses. Burned the hell out of the Oilers running around all the time. 2 Super Bowls. Back to back. Not too shabby.

This idea that only a pure pocket passer can win the big one has been perpetuated too much. Even Unitas would tuck the ball and run.

I get tired of watching our defense get torched by mobile QBs, but our guy Schaub can't run three steps before being caught from behind by a 300+ lb. defensive lineman, or stopping short of the line of scrimmage and just flinging the ball at somebody's feet.

If the right combination comes along, an Elway or Steve Young type of QB, then the mobile QB can get it done. I think Cam has an arm, and the legs to run the ball. Like I said, though: A lot of people thought the same thing about JeMarcus Russell. So hard to foretell the future.

But I think Cam has the "it" factor. He's very marketable, too.

Good foreshadowing GP. Props where it's due.

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

WHY would you bump this thread!!!? Hahaha, I was like "Andrew Luck staying at Stanford... WTF!!!!?" LOL

 

[Double Barrel]

WHY would you bump this thread!!!? Hahaha, I was like "Andrew Luck staying at Stanford... WTF!!!!?" LOL

lol! I thought the same thing when I read it on the main page!

 

[TexanSam]

lol! I thought the same thing when I read it on the main page!

LOL same here. First thought was "No fking way!"

 

[disaacks3]

WHY would you bump this thread!!!? Hahaha, I was like "Andrew Luck staying at Stanford... WTF!!!!?" LOL

lol! I thought the same thing when I read it on the main page!

LOL same here. First thought was "No fking way!"

Taze that man!

 

[Rey]

WHY would you bump this thread!!!? Hahaha, I was like "Andrew Luck staying at Stanford... WTF!!!!?" LOL

lol! I thought the same thing when I read it on the main page!

LOL same here. First thought was "No fking way!"

Taze that man!

LOL...

Well, I wanted to give props to GP and I couldn't rep him...

But having people think this was a recent thread was an amusing thought that popped into my head....