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"Young wanted in Houston" ????
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spurstexanstros
Texans Rising
sigh its going to be a long offseason and can you imagine if they sign the dude......fire up the start vy thread now
I hate VY fanboys.
I hate VY fanboys.
When a Longhorn says no ..... 
There was a time when I thought VY could be a really good QB. Dont think he was quite ready (despite the record) when he was inserted into the lineup.
He's got all the physical tools but none of the smarts , savy nor the maturity to lead an NFL offense.
Dude got a 16 on the wonderlic ? ..... I think he musta cheated cause he's a full blown dumbass.
Please , keep this fool as far away from the Texans lockerroom as possible.
There was a time when I thought VY could be a really good QB. Dont think he was quite ready (despite the record) when he was inserted into the lineup.
He's got all the physical tools but none of the smarts , savy nor the maturity to lead an NFL offense.
Dude got a 16 on the wonderlic ? ..... I think he musta cheated cause he's a full blown dumbass.
Please , keep this fool as far away from the Texans lockerroom as possible.
wildroot
Veteran
Keeping a charity case for a HC will keep you here, but signing a back-up QB sends you packing?
drs23
Veteran
When a Longhorn says no .....
There was a time when I thought VY could be a really good QB. Dont think he was quite ready (despite the record) when he was inserted into the lineup.
He's got all the physical tools but none of the smarts , savy nor the maturity to lead an NFL offense.
Dude got a 16 on the wonderlic ? ..... I think he musta cheated cause he's a full blown dumbass.
Please , keep this fool as far away from the Texans lockerroom as possible.
Thank you.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
TexansFanatic
Extremist
Would absolutely love to see Vince play for the Texans.
Shame it won't happen.
Shame it won't happen.
wagonhed
Team Gruden
Why does everyone here have their panties in such a bunch about Vince Young? I don't want him on the Texans, I don't think he fits what we do, but I don't see why everyone gets so emotional about a player that has nothing to do with this organization and really, where he goes doesn't make a damn bit of difference to the Texans.
What's the deal, people?
What's the deal, people?
TexansFanatic
Extremist
Excellent question.
If I had to guess I'd say just about every Texans fan who hates VY is either one of or both of the following:
(1) someone who roots against the Longhorns
(2) someone who is tired of hearing that the Texans effed up by not taking Vince over Mario in 2006.
Guess you missed this -
When a Longhorn says no .....
There was a time when I thought VY could be a really good QB. Dont think he was quite ready (despite the record) when he was inserted into the lineup.
He's got all the physical tools but none of the smarts , savy nor the maturity to lead an NFL offense.
Dude got a 16 on the wonderlic ? ..... I think he musta cheated cause he's a full blown dumbass.
Please , keep this fool as far away from the Texans lockerroom as possible.
I bleed burnt orange ..... I want that dude as far away from the Texans as possible. Whole rest of my family are Aggies ..... takes a dozen of them to figure out how to open a damn beer.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
That's pretty funny.
Vince's supposed Wonderlic score was actually a 6.
Still not clear to me why you have a problem with a guy who has won about 3 out of every 4 games he's played. Vince may not be a rocket surgeon, but there's nobody on the Texans who comes close to having that kind of winning percentage.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
So you are saying that if he went to A&M he would have scored a zero?
houstonspartan
All Pro
Co-sign. Gary Kubiak's offense is pretty detailed and intricate. I just don't see Vince Young fitting in with what we do here.
I admit that my hatred of him has more to do with his fans than he. I'm tired of hearing about how stupid the Texans were for not taking him.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
Bingo. That's what I thought.
Even as a Longhorn fan, I got tired of that.
It was hell having to root against him. I'm with Hookem----I'm glad that nightmare is over.
wagonhed
Team Gruden
Who says this, especially 5 years later????
I wasn't around football message boards at the time of the draft, but I'm not sure if I've ever heard someone say that in person. At least, it hasn't happened enough times for me to remember that it happened, and I lived in Austin until 2009.
Besides, there is a whole slew of people on this message board that apparently hate Mario Williams and thinks he is a mediocre player who we should trade away or simply cut. Just goes to show that most people don't know what the **** they're talking about.
Imatexanfan
Hall of Fame
Exactly it would be a QB controversy because Schaub is our guy and VY would hate to NOT be the guy....except in the playoffs...
I was kidding in my other post, but I don't believe Young will even be considered by this team. This town had a lot of issues in 2008 when Schaub and Rosenfels both had their crowds fighting over which one of them should start. Eventually Schaub won, but it wasn't good for the team and with Vince, it would be even worse. In 2006, choosing Vince would have made sense to build the fanbase, make the name/logo more nationally recognized and maybe win some games with him, but in 2011 it's would not be nearly as effective. We don't need a QB controversy right now, we already have enough issues to deal with.
GP
Go Texans!
Pollardized
Division Champ
The only backing up vince will be doing in Houston is down at the gloryhole inside the adult bookstore on Westheimer...
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
I'd vote Yes for "the rent is too damn high" guy before I vote for this little wuss boy.
I am of the opinion that he greatly benefited from a stellar defense , a good running game and a coaching staff who kept his exposure to potential mistakes to a minimum.
Yes , he made some plays .... but Football is the ultimate team game. The QB position in the NFL requires a certain level of leadership ability and I just dont believe that he has that nor the maturity or respect of his peers at this point because of the many "moments" off the field ...
Sure he's probably an upgrade to Dan-O but what does bringing him in here do to Schaub ?
I dont see Young as worth the risk of the potential locker room problems he might bring with him.
Is this the guy you want ?
Didnt think so ....
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
I think getting fired gave Vince something he DIDN'T have in Tennessee a dose of humility. I've been hating on the guy SINCE he was at UT, but he's been improving as a QB and I think having him in the stable will keep Schaub and Lienert on their toes. Vugg it. Give Sausage boy another shot. 
I am of the opinion that he greatly benefited from a stellar defense , a good running game and a coaching staff who kept his exposure to potential mistakes to a minimum.
Yes , he made some plays .... but Football is the ultimate team game. The QB position in the NFL requires a certain level of leadership ability and I just dont believe that he has that nor the maturity or respect of his peers at this point because of the many "moments" off the field ...
Sure he's probably an upgrade to Dan-O but what does bringing him in here do to Schaub ?
I dont see Young as worth the risk of the potential locker room problems he might bring with him.
Is this the guy you want ?
Didnt think so ....
Sounds a lot like the arguments against Vick before he started playing well...
I think the Texans would be foolish to automatically dismiss the notion and not even talk to the guy...
I thought they should have talked to Vick as well...
I think both of those guys would be really good in this system...They cause all kinds of headaches for defenses on bootlegs and play actions...
Ok, I admit that he is a better option at back up than Dan O and maybe Lienart, but there is no way he is a Texan next year. First reason, what about his attitude, demeanor, and maturity level leads you to believe that he can come here and back up Matt Schaub. He would start out OK, but then get worse and worse as the play time didn't come. Second, he doesn't want to put in the work that is needed to be a pro QB. People mention Vick and the 180 he did, but seriously he got smacked by reality and had 2 years to beat it into his brain that he had to change or he wouldn't be a NFL QB. Vince has blamed everyone else for his short comings so I doubt he is gonna change his attitude all that much.
How do you know how long it took Vick to decide he needed to make a change?
Just because he had two years to do it doesn't mean it actually took him two years...
He could have decided he needed to do it the moment he found out he'd no longer be a falcon and used the two years to actually make the change.
How do you know VY hasn't already decided that wherever he lands next he will do the right things?
Like I said earlier, the Texans should at least talk to him and see where he is at. We don't have that option as fans...
....you're grounded sir...
Not sure what that has to do with VY himself.
He is a talented player. He is still young, has big game experience, is mobile, has been improving his passing efficiency.
I don't see anyone saying bring him in and start him.
There have been lots of troubled players than have had a change of scenery and have become at least serviceable if not great with their new teams.
I honestly think that if this player we were talking about had not been such a lighting rod in the past there would be more people saying at least bring him in and see how he does.
The Texans have a good locker room. They are not going to let one player who has not been here come in and destroy their chemistry. Not only that, but I highly doubt VY would come here and do that.
I like to win. If VY is willing to accept a back-up role here he is probably one of the more talented options out there. That's really all it boils down to for me.
GP
Go Texans!
See, this is the same type of logic that says "It's OK to bring Wade Phillips in as d-coord."
Yeah, sure it is. And then guess what? A misstep by Kubiak and who is going to be interim coach? Wade. And I'd rather stick with Gurry than Wade.
Once VY lands on a team, his ONLY focus will be to prove the Titans wrong. And you don't do that from the bench. You do it by becoming the starter and earning the snaps during TC, Preseason, and Reg season.
This is a myth, IMO, that he would just come here (or anywhere else) and automatically be all cool and OK with being the backup.
I continue to be amazed at this. Vick was a guy who was 100% rock bottom when the Eagles picked him up. VY? He's only three feet under the rough waters right now.
That's complete speculation.
Leinart didn't come here and act crazy because he had a chip on his shoulder. He's had his share of maturity issues too.
Vick didn't get in the game when the Eagles had McNabb and act crazy. He didn't do anything to try and prove people wrong.
Heck Terrance Williams from the Rockets has been labled a troubled player and he was quoted in the paper talking about how he is just going to accept a fresh start with the Rockets and do the right things...yada, yada....
A lot of times when guys hit rocky roads and another team gives them a chance, they are tremendously grateful to that organization and they show it through their actions.
Look at Mike Williams in Seattle...Braylon Edwards in NY...Ron Artest in the NBA...
There are lots of players.....No scratch that....
There are lots of people who have been troubled in the past that have turned their lives around due to 1) getting punished for their actions and being humbled by the consequences 2) feeling gratitude by someone or some organization showing that they believe they could still be an asset
LOL...Ok....
You have no idea, just like I have no idea.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying.
I am not claiming it will be a perfect fit. I am not saying that he will be ok with coming in and being a back up.
All I'm saying is that the Texans shouldn't automatically dismiss it and should do their due diligence. Talk to the guy. See where his head is at. Evaluate him as a player.
If your people decide it won't work. Don't sign him.
If VY is as egotistical as you and others claim he is, THIS is rock bottom for him.
If people though he may kill himself after being benched, what do they think he will do after being cut?
But even with that said, hitting rock bottom is not a pre-cursor to becoming a better person or player.
It only boils down to one thing for me. VY is more talented than just about every other potential back-up I can think about....Nothing more, nothing less.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
I get that. I'm at peace with not making a move for Vince-----much more so than not making a move for a new head coach.
I'm really more intrigued by what Wagonhed commented on: the unabated hatred toward Vince among Texans fans, and where that hate comes from. I feel like, with Vince no longer a Titan, the reason for that hatred is sort of baseless.
GP
Go Texans!
Are you for real?
When did Matt go ape-crap crazy, rey?
You're comparing apples-to-sausages here.
Look at the long list of things VY has done, to his teammates and coaches, and look at the time he fled his home and the cops had to go find him because people were scared he would do something to himself.
Leinart's biggest flaw is that he's a self-conceited ass who thinks he's God's gift to football. "I have paid my dues" is laughable. He hasn't. I won't sit here and say he isn't flawed, but he's sight better than "loco en cabeza" VY is.
VY is a mental midget of gigantic proportions. You continue to sit here and completely ignore that his teammates said VY can't even call plays in a huddle. He doesn't know them. Can't remember them. The QB can't call the plays in the huddle. He storms out on his team, cusses out his coach, runs off in a car and cries in some abandoned parking lot at midnight, throws his shoulder pads into the stands, has a momma and a pastor who say people need to treat him right, etc. etc.
It's a nightmare. Even Bud Adams figured it out.
I don't see this happening with Leinart. Have I missed it?
You like VY. I get that. When we like someone, we want them to succeed.
But to sit here and say that VY would fit in with this team? Not happening. Kubiak axed David Carr, and I'm pretty sure David studied enough film to have at least been able to call plays in a huddle. The NFL game is just too big for VY. He did well facing a poorly-ranked USC defense. He did well facing sophomores. The jump to Big Boy Football has been a troubling experience for him.
How is how he going to right the ship?
You guys think that right now, he's sitting there going "Man, I messed up. I need to be a man." He's NOT!!! LOL.
Did you see his reply to the news he will be traded/cut? "I felt like I was never given a chance. Coach never had my back. He never trusted me. He didn't treat me like a man."
What part of that, rey, tells us that he is going to go somewhere and start fresh? In his world, Jeff Fisher is the one who screwed up.
I just don't see what you see. I don't get it.
GP
Go Texans!
Because until VY is 100% out of football and working elsewhere, there will be threads like this and people who have conVINCEd themselves that he's still a workable project that can be salvaged. On OUR team, to boot!
I mean, this is like twilight zone around here.
I guess people think that since McNair is such a doofus for not firing Kubiak that it means ANYTHING is possible around here.
Dick Justice is a genius. He types it up, posts it, and look at this. So much talk (hey, I admit I'm here too. LOL.) about nothing significant.
When is the draft again? Oy.
I was talking about one specific assertion you made, which was that he wanted to be a starter.
That's where the comparison came from.
Pretty sure both guys wanted to be a starter.
Not sure why you feel the need to inform me of things I already know.
VY has done some awful things in his football career. Pretty sure we are all aware of this.
I couldn't care less about what Bud Adams figured out. Like I said, there are plenty examples of people getting shunned from one organization and shining with another.
And no, you don't get it. I don't give two shyts about VY other than what I think he can do on the field. I am not here to defend his honor or any of that.
All I'm saying is that I think he could come in and be a good back-up for us. That's it.
VY has been improving as a passer since he came into the league. I am not saying that he has done everything in his power to become a great QB, but I do think he has improved his skills. Michael Vick was another guy who people said couldn't pass the ball, couldn't be a good QB...Yada Yada...
I think this is a QB friendly offense. I think Kubiak has worked with enough QB's and he knows offense. I think that he may be able to get more out of him than what others have.
Have you paid attention to anything I wrote?
Where in this conversation did I say the Texans should go out and sign him? Where did I say that I think he has righted the ship and is truly sorry for his actions?
Where did I say that he will turn his career around?
Nowhere.
I've said the whole time that the Texans should at least look into it. They have resources that we don't they have people that evaluate players and can get a first hand look at the situation.
If they talk to the guy and evaluate him and feel he is not a good fit...Don't sign him.
If they talk to him and think that they can work with him, sign him up.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
That came from a story written by Don Banks for SI. Here's the quote:
A source told me....
We don't know who told Banks that or what that person's intentions were when he said that. I look at Vince's numbers from this year and I see a guy who may just be coming around to being a really good NFL quarterback. He's 27 years old and still has a lot of upside.
Again, I get why the Texans aren't going to bring him in. I get that he's had a troubled career filled with melodrama. But the hatred is out of balance with his missteps.
Plenty of guys are content with being a back-up "for the time being" or until they get their shot. Doesn't mean they want to be that guy for their entire career.
GP
Go Texans!
VY shouldn't even be considered. Period. For this organization to even approach his agent, would be, IMO, a really goofy idea by somebody somewhere.
QB friendly offense? Wasn't friendly to David Carr, was it?
You're projecting things here, rey, that is more speculative than anything I have speculated. Fact.
THE most speculative situation in the NFL today is Vince Young. Hands down. He has that contest won all by himself.
1. McNair came out and curtly said "We will not be drafting VY." I mean, for a guy of McNair's graciousness...that's pretty harsh, rey. To flat out say that there exists some 200+ OTHER players on draft day that we would take, other than VY, is pretty pointed. We know what McNair thinks about VY, just like we know what he thinks of Gary Kubiak. See the correlation there: McNair, for all his hem-hawing and double-talk will, sometimes, actually come right out and show you who he is. This stance on VY, IMO, hasn't changed for McNair. Nowhere do I see "facts," since that's so important to the Science Rules All crowd that McNair would even spend two seconds thinking about this idea that you guys have.
2. Laundry list of troubles with VY. It's a long rap sheet.
3. Our offense is not QB Friendly. It's anything but. David Carr couldn't make pre-snap reads. He couldn't find the target, make progressions, etc. And David, for all his warts, wasn't the head case that VY is.
4. As the evidence piles up, it becomes clear that some people root for people to a fault. McNair is one of those guys, too, obviously, since he certainly can't fire Gary Kubiak and move on in another direction.
The paralysis by analysis is bad mojo in the NFL. Shortest season in all of the major pro sports--16 games and done. An owner can't spend 5+ years and ignore 16-game season's worth of data and expect everything to just click one day for his team. It is either working, or it is not.
I have a sliver of hope, though. Sliver.
I would bet Kubiak becomes a winner way before VY does. That is the rung I place VY on in my "Guy Likely To Finally 'Get it'" ladder.
QB friendly offense? Wasn't friendly to David Carr, was it?
You're projecting things here, rey, that is more speculative than anything I have speculated. Fact.
THE most speculative situation in the NFL today is Vince Young. Hands down. He has that contest won all by himself.
1. McNair came out and curtly said "We will not be drafting VY." I mean, for a guy of McNair's graciousness...that's pretty harsh, rey. To flat out say that there exists some 200+ OTHER players on draft day that we would take, other than VY, is pretty pointed. We know what McNair thinks about VY, just like we know what he thinks of Gary Kubiak. See the correlation there: McNair, for all his hem-hawing and double-talk will, sometimes, actually come right out and show you who he is. This stance on VY, IMO, hasn't changed for McNair. Nowhere do I see "facts," since that's so important to the Science Rules All crowd that McNair would even spend two seconds thinking about this idea that you guys have.
2. Laundry list of troubles with VY. It's a long rap sheet.
3. Our offense is not QB Friendly. It's anything but. David Carr couldn't make pre-snap reads. He couldn't find the target, make progressions, etc. And David, for all his warts, wasn't the head case that VY is.
4. As the evidence piles up, it becomes clear that some people root for people to a fault. McNair is one of those guys, too, obviously, since he certainly can't fire Gary Kubiak and move on in another direction.
The paralysis by analysis is bad mojo in the NFL. Shortest season in all of the major pro sports--16 games and done. An owner can't spend 5+ years and ignore 16-game season's worth of data and expect everything to just click one day for his team. It is either working, or it is not.
I have a sliver of hope, though. Sliver.
I would bet Kubiak becomes a winner way before VY does. That is the rung I place VY on in my "Guy Likely To Finally 'Get it'" ladder.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
After reading this last page of posts, I conclude that we need to bring in VY as our primary backup........... and sign Jamarcus Russell to back him up.............You know, you can't have enought quarterbacks.
GP
Go Texans!
After reading this last page of posts, I conclude that we need to bring in VY as our primary backup........... and sign Jamarcus Russell to back him up.............You know, you can't have enought quarterbacks.
Well, if Gruden was our HC...like some wanted..then that is a 100% possibility.