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It's official... Troy Nolan is someone we can work with.

DexmanC said:
Pollard gets benched, and Nolan get the first "safety-over-the-top-pick"
of the season.
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I have a feeling Pollard doesn't get a contract here.

He was a liability this year. Whatever toughness he brought here, he has nullified due to bad coverage all season long.

This team has to have a true Free Safety and an equally talented ball-hawking Strong Safety (not just a hard hitter back there) in order to have a chance at masking the problems at CB.

Then again, we're talking TRENT EDWARDS here. So, whatever....:kubepalm:
 
Carr Bombed said:
That kid just has a nose for the ball....even if he does make mistakes, maybe he can learn.
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I never really thought about a Nolan/Wilson backfield. Looked much better than a Pollard/Wilson backfield.

I figured since Pollard was a play maker, you have to keep him on the field.

Now, I think we still need to find another safety.... to go along with Nolan.
 
GP said:
I have a feeling Pollard doesn't get a contract here.

He was a liability this year. Whatever toughness he brought here, he has nullified due to bad coverage all season long.

This team has to have a true Free Safety and an equally talented ball-hawking Strong Safety (not just a hard hitter back there) in order to have a chance at masking the problems at CB.

Then again, we're talking TRENT EDWARDS here. So, whatever....:kubepalm:
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Pollard is one dimensional. He has no place on this defense. With the refs going towards flagging hard hits more and more, he may not have a place in the league.

Just getting rid of him will be a good start.
 
I'm not just talking about his pass coverage, so Edwards doesn't have much to do with it. I'm talking about how he has a nose for the ball. If you watch his college tape, he had a nose for the ball. In preseason he was making plays and now he makes plays today. Did he make some mistakes this season....yes, but he's young. I can live with a young player who makes mistakes, if he has a nose for the ball and comes up with big plays.

The difference between Pollard this season and last season was he made big plays last season...he still sucked in coverage, but he made plays


Wilson almost never makes a play.

With only 3 starts....Nolan now has 3 picks.
 
STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
Go with DeMecowned.
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i wouldnt go with the guy with a possible career ending injury myself

troy played quite well in his natural position of SS. was high on him when we signed, really high on him after PS & raiders, down on him after the rest of his reg season today.

did give away a PI though
 
I wouldn't go with any player on the team unless I was going with Andreoid or something...

The rest of these guys could be here today and gone tomorrow without making any kind of lasting impact on the team...
 
It's no surprise if you replace Pollard with Nolan that our pass coverage improves, but the run support suffers.

I'd rather have Pollard still there, but more speed at Free Safety. I don't think Nolan is the long term answer still.
 
dream_team said:
It's no surprise if you replace Pollard with Nolan that our pass coverage improves, but the run support suffers.

I'd rather have Pollard still there, but more speed at Free Safety. I don't think Nolan is the long term answer still.
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Or perhaps Pollard in on running downs and Nolan in on obvious passing downs.
 
Troy Nolan isn't anything to bank on.

If we get a chance to sign or draft a stud safety, we take it.
 
Doppelganger1 said:
Pollard is one dimensional. He has no place on this defense. With the refs going towards flagging hard hits more and more, he may not have a place in the league.

Just getting rid of him will be a good start.
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Our entire D is one dimensional. That dimension is sucking!
 
DonnyMost said:
Troy Nolan isn't anything to bank on.

If we get a chance to sign or draft a stud safety, we take it.
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This. He's got 3 picks this year against trash qb's. Anybody remotely competent & looks just like the rest of the guys back there..... hot garbage. And for once, i actually agree with GP.
 
You know, I don't recall this kind of negativity about Pollard last year. He seemed to make our overall defense better IIRC. Maybe he has been coached down this year. Last year he came in off the streets and just played. He also may have had more help last year than he does this year. I just can't believe someone who helped us so much last season is that bad this year, without a reasonable explanation.

Plus I don't want to change my name... :bat:
 
The enitre secondary are victims of poor defensive coaching.

That said, if you can find more talent to put back there you do it.

But this entire defense would look better with competent defensive coaching. It's no coincidence that so many players have regressed this year. That SCREAMS coaching.
 
Pollardized said:
You know, I don't recall this kind of negativity about Pollard last year. He seemed to make our overall defense better IIRC. Maybe he has been coached down this year. Last year he came in off the streets and just played. He also may have had more help last year than he does this year. I just can't believe someone who helped us so much last season is that bad this year, without a reasonable explanation.

Plus I don't want to change my name... :bat:
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No need too, Pollardized is a dictionary term now, the players name is no longer needed for the word to describe itself :)
 
Rey said:
The enitre secondary are victims of poor defensive coaching.

That said, if you can find more talent to put back there you do it.

But this entire defense would look better with competent defensive coaching. It's no coincidence that so many players have regressed this year. That SCREAMS coaching.
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But would they be good enough to win & get to the playoffs is the question. I say no.
 
Mr teX said:
This. He's got 3 picks this year against trash qb's. Anybody remotely competent & looks just like the rest of the guys back there..... hot garbage. And for once, i actually agree with GP.
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LOL, Troy Nolan hasn't been on the field long enough to be considered "hot garbage".

We barely even know what we have in him as a player, because he really hasn't even been given a shot.


This kind of reminds me of the Marlon McCree situation...he never got a shot either and became a very productive player somewhere else. And that somewhere else just happened to be the Chargers, guess who was the defensive coordinator?

I think there's talent on this defense, they just run around with their heads cut off, because they're ill prepared and under coached.
 
Pollardized said:
You know, I don't recall this kind of negativity about Pollard last year. He seemed to make our overall defense better IIRC. Maybe he has been coached down this year. Last year he came in off the streets and just played. He also may have had more help last year than he does this year. I just can't believe someone who helped us so much last season is that bad this year, without a reasonable explanation.

Plus I don't want to change my name... :bat:
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One of the many unknowns of this year
 
Carr Bombed said:
LOL, Troy Nolan hasn't been on the field long enough to be considered "hot garbage".

We barely even know what we have in him as a player, because he really hasn't even been given a shot.


This kind of reminds me of the Marlon McCree situation...he never got a shot either and became a very productive player somewhere else. And that somewhere else just happened to be the Chargers, guess who was the defensive coordinator?

I think there's talent on this defense, they just run around with their heads cut off, because they're ill prepared and under coached.
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He's been on the field enough, & he's looked bad enough times for me to rule him out as an answer back there. Wasn't that just him back there in the titans game volleyball-ing the ball in the air for Britt to catch it on the rebound early in the game? I also seem to remember him out of position more than a few times in the jets game.

So many of the great players in this league make plays at least half the time off of pure instincts. We know the coaching is lacking, but my question is when does the coaching stop & the players' instincts take over? That's what i see that is supremely lacking on this team..there are maybe 2-3 guys total who seem to have great instincts...Meco, Dre & Foster.
 
Mr teX said:
He's been on the field enough, & he's looked bad enough times for me to rule him out as an answer back there. Wasn't that just him back there in the titans game volleyball-ing the ball in the air for Britt to catch it on the rebound early in the game? I also seem to remember him out of position more than a few times in the jets game.

So many of the great players in this league make plays at least half the time off of pure instincts. We know the coaching is lacking, but my question is when does the coaching stop & the players' instincts take over? That's what i see that is supremely lacking on this team..there are maybe 2-3 guys total who seem to have great instincts...Meco, Dre & Foster.
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Three NFL starts is enough for you to decide a player has no future in the NFL?


Okay...

Also how can you blame him for that tipped ball to Britt. I thought it was another good play by him, just a bad bounce of the ball. The only thing that was, was another time the kid got his hands on a ball. If you get your hands on the ball enough, you're going to make plays and he has a knack for making plays. I think 3 picks in 3 starts and now a FR is making plays half the time.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Three NFL starts is enough for you to decide a player has no future in the NFL?


Okay...

Also how can you blame him for that tipped ball to Britt. I thought it was another good play by him, just a bad bounce of the ball. The only thing that was, was another time the kid got his hands on a ball. If you get your hands on the ball enough, you're going to make plays and he has a knack for making plays. I think 3 picks in 3 starts and now a FR is making plays half the time.
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You don't have to start to make your prescence felt. He's gotten spot duty against other teams & you heard nothing from him. Moreover we were still garbage back there giving up nearly 300 a game in the air & he was apart of that, however much he did play. There is noone back there that can be worked with for a starting spot except for KJ; And that's only b/c he's a rookie. & for all the plays he made they were still against garbage qbs.....that being said, if there is someone who obviously could be better for us & available.... get him.
 
:rolleyes: The secondary sucked this season, but that doesn't mean that every player in the secondary sucks ass and has no future in the NFL.

Get somebody in here that knows what they're doing and can coach up some of the players. Some of the secondary guys we currently have most likely will be a part of this team's future whether we like it or not.

P.S.

If you're willing to give KJ a pass for being a rookie, well that's basically what Nolan is also. He was a second year rookie this season. So how can Kareem Jackson be worked with, but Nolan can't?
 
Many of us have been saying this since the very beginning of the year. Completely typical of this bullshit coaching staff to make terrible personnel decisions. Horseshit.
 
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