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Would you trade...

Trade Schaub plus first round pick for first overall pick?

  • No way. Schaub is our guy!

    Votes: 52 67.5%

  • Yes, and I would pick Andrew Luck!

    Votes: 23 29.9%

  • Yes, and I would pick another player (specify below)

    Votes: 2 2.6%
  • Total voters
    77
Put a good O line in front of Schaub and I think he will be great. Plus get rid of the center, I dont care how tall your QB is, when you have to squat down like your taking a **** to take a snap under center, how are you going to be able to see the linebackers and read the Defense. Everyone is saying let him call audibles and give him more control, I just don't see how he can do it with the center we have.
 
All this Anti-Schaub talk is crazy.

Does he make mistakes, yeh sure he does. When your down by 2000 points on average your mistakes tend to be magnified. Sure he's not Manning or Brady, but the guy is damn good.

Some people seem to have short term memories when it comes to crappy QB play in Houston.
 
I don't know if Carolina would take that trade, and thats not a hit on Schaub. It would take a whole lot to trade for that 1st pick in general, but especially in a year where many consider the top pick to be a "can't miss QB."

Schaub is a fine quarterback and is certainly not the Texans problem. They would be better served using that high-mid 1st on a defender of some sort than trading it and getting Luck.
 
is the Number #2 and #3 QB going to fall to us ????????????

DOes tenn Pick before us THere def going to draft a QB ....
 
I think the Titans stick with Young, and if Houston wins this weekend (assuming the Colts win) I'd imagine the Titans would edge Houston in draft order based on strength of schedule as a tiebreaker.
 
Schaub is by far a good enough winner not only that you can win with, but a guy that can be a QB in a great offense. He's already proven that as far as I'm concerned with his stats from the last two seasons and the come from behind scoring chases that he goes on routinely. It's not his fault that he's coached by the one of the biggest frauds of an offensive guru. Kubiak has put him in horrible situations and positions as a QB the last two seasons. Shaub is playing with the worst defense of all time potentially. His INT's and TO's at the end of games haven't been anything to ignore or excuse by any means, but he's had a lot of late game heroics that were screwed by a defensive unit and other offensive players several times that killed games.

Schaub is not the problem right now and he should not be replaced right now. I don't think any new HC would do that right now.
 
#1 This trade only happens along with sweeping change. Kubiaks fate is tied to Matt Schaub, hence both would have to go along with the GM who introduced them. This is not to slight Schaub as much as his mentor & you have to replace quality with an upgrade if the opportunity presents itself.

#2 It's a plauseable deal if above parameters are met (Texans have a new GM & coach). Casserly/Capers used the #1 overall pick on David Carr in 2002 plus a 3rd in 2003 (David Ragone). Smith/Kubiak swapped #1's in 07 plus traded away two 2nd rd. picks to Atlanta, 07 & 08 for Schaub while paying good free agent money to guys like Rosenfels & Orlovsky.

#3 It's all about accountability & it starts @ the top & the most important postion on the team, which is QB comes with the territory http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2007/03/post_4.html
If Matt Schaub becomes a productive starting quarterback, the trade will have been a steal. If he doesn't, everyone is going to get fired, and the Texans will be starting over one more time. Again, the alternative--to do nothing--is much, much worse. That's like criticizing the Astros for spending $100 million on Carlos Lee. Did they overpay? They sure did. Would it have been better to spend the winter wringing their hands and saying, "Oh, I hope John B. and the Sports Reporters approve?'' Uh, no.
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#4 I read somewhere on this thread that Cowher is a Matt Schaub guy, well what if he does wind up in Carolina with complete player control, might he swing this deal? Go for the proven commodity, over using the #1 overall pick, save some money & throw a rookie QB into the fire? plus they drafted Jimmy Clausen in the 2nd rd. last year (could use more time to develop) looks more like back-up quality to me anyway. Then use Texans pick to give Schaub a new AJ (Green) to throw to & add OL protection early 2nd/3rd.

#5 Stand pat, keep Kubiak/Smith/Schaub.
 
DerekLee1 said:
Schaub is just below the line of elite QB's. To trade a proven starter for a non-proven college player (AND your first round pick?!?) is ridiculous. Ryan Leaf come to mind? HWWNBN? Tim Couch? JaMarcus Russell? Alex Smith?
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Can't believe you honestly forgot David Carr. I would also add VY to that list. I think he is a bust. He can go start for the bottom 10 teams (dont say it) but i doubt he will amount to anything. One of the best choices the Texans did was pass up on him.
 
Drew Brees threw 2 stupid picks last night that almost cost his team a playoff spot. However, his defense picked him up. Would you make the same offer for Brees had his defense failed him? I'm not saying Schaub is Brees, but if we had the Saints defense, Schaub would look a hell of a lot more elite.
 
I read these posts and they all seem to concentrate on changing/beefing up the O. If we don't draft smart and McNair doesn't open his wallet......no, his bank vault.........to the Draft and FA, there won't be enough changes to also fill our dire D needs. Some people may call this "stupid money," but it's been stupid money that's been thrown around ever since this franchise has been in existence. You know, you CAN justifiably spend a truck load of money and, for once, make it "smart money." All you need are smart business people........that is, smart FOOTBALL BUSINESS people, that can also recognize talent, making the decisions. And only then does the work begin on developing the new talent and furthering veteran talent with competent and capable coaches in place.
 
We're currently sitting at #4 for passing offense and #5 in total yardage. Sure, Schaub can make a bonehead play every now and then and we're a bit inconsistent on that side of the ball. Yet, we're talking about trading our QB. :facepalm:

But damn, people, we have the worst passing defense in NFL history! I'm not just talking about a crappy defense, I'm talking the worst I've ever seen. Our DT's suck, our DE's suck, our LB's suck, our DB's suck and our Safety's suck. Ugh
 
HOU-TEX said:
We're currently sitting at #4 for passing offense and #5 in total yardage. Sure, Schaub can make a bonehead play every now and then and we're a bit inconsistent on that side of the ball. Yet, we're talking about trading our QB. :facepalm:

But damn, people, we have the worst passing defense in NFL history! I'm not just talking about a crappy defense, I'm talking the worst I've ever seen. Our DT's suck, our DE's suck, our LB's suck, our DB's suck and our Safety's suck. Ugh
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Do the players suck, the system or a little of both? D. Rob sucked last year and is starter on a good Atlanta defense now.
 
Yes, I would trade him for a true franchise QB.

I don't know if Luck is that guy, but if he is, I'd pull the trigger.

I don't know about trade value and such, but that seems a little steep of a price to me...

We will have atleast a top ten or top five pick so I don't think that would be a fair trade....

Trade Matt Schaub straight up along with a high second and a high fifth for the top pick :)

That way you have two top ten picks...get your franchise QB, and a true Stud DE to play opposite Mario or get your lock down corner...

Can anyone honestly say that they would not be happy with the draft if we were to get Andrew Luck and Prince Amukamara? Or Andre Luck and Daquan Bowers? or Andre Luck and Patrick Peterson?

I'd be freaking excited...
 
Rey said:
Yes, I would trade him for a true franchise QB.

I don't know if Luck is that guy, but if he is, I'd pull the trigger.

I don't know about trade value and such, but that seems a little steep of a price to me...

We will have atleast a top ten or top five pick so I don't think that would be a fair trade....

Trade Matt Schaub straight up along with a high second and a high fifth for the top pick :)
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You NEVER know if a kid coming out of college is your "franchise guy". AGAIN...for every Manning, there's a Ryan Leaf. For every Tim Couch, there's a Donovan McNabb. I'd never trade a proven commodity for a draft pick unless it's an expiring contract you're dumping (McNabb) and/or you have a valuable enough backup at the position (Vick/Kolb). It was disastrous for the Oilers when they traded away Moon.
 
DerekLee1 said:
You NEVER know if a kid coming out of college is your "franchise guy". AGAIN...for every Manning, there's a Ryan Leaf. For every Tim Couch, there's a Donovan McNabb. I'd never trade a proven commodity for a draft pick unless it's an expiring contract you're dumping (McNabb) and/or you have a valuable enough backup at the position (Vick/Kolb). It was disastrous for the Oilers when they traded away Moon.
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I said "I don't know if Luck is that guy"...

But I don't have access to the players like and NFL team would. At some point your scouting department and player personnel people have to actually do some work.

Anybody can look top prospects list and draft players in the top ten.

Determining whether or nor these guys are going to be franchise guys is another question. That is where paychecks are earned...

IF we were to get a new coaching staff that wanted to make a lot of changes, I would not be upset if they scrapped noodle arm for a guy that they evaluated and determined was the real deal.

I don't hold onto a guy out of fear of the unknown....It's not like you are picking a name out of a hat or picking a guy blindfolded...This would be an educated decision if something like that happened...
 
Sam Bradford
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Matt Ryan
Jamarcus Russell
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler
Alex Smith
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
David Carr
Joey Harrington

These are all the QB's drafted in the Top 10 since the Texans existence. What is being asked is if you trade a Pro Bowl QB in his prime that has proven to be successful on your team for an unknown rookie commodity at that position and guarantee to pay that guy $50MM???
 
Nah. Schaub will be cheaper and right now I'd rather spend draft picks on defensive players. Especially our high draft picks.
 
b0ng said:
Nah. Schaub will be cheaper and right now I'd rather spend draft picks on defensive players. Especially our high draft picks.
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That's a very good point. I don't think I'd even do the trade straight up. But once you consider we're getting rid of our starting QB PLUS a (most likely) Top 10 pick and coming away with just a Rookie starting QB... it sounds crazy.

Schaub + [Patrick Peterson / Prince Amukamara / AJ Green / Nick Fairley]

or Andrew Luck?

I don't want to stray this converstion into draft talk but at this rate we could end up with a very very early draft pick. Could you even imagine Schaub having Andre Johnson AND AJ Green as his receivers with Foster as RB? Good gosh. I'm ALL for defense but Green is sick.
 
I'm not sure I'd trade Schaub, but I'd definitely like to see what they could do to get Luck. He's probably the best QB prospect to come out since Peyton Manning, IMO.

If they lose against the Jags, they made not have to trade up very high to take a shot at him, either.
 
Rey said:
I said "I don't know if Luck is that guy"...

But I don't have access to the players like and NFL team would. At some point your scouting department and player personnel people have to actually do some work.

Anybody can look top prospects list and draft players in the top ten.

Determining whether or nor these guys are going to be franchise guys is another question. That is where paychecks are earned...

IF we were to get a new coaching staff that wanted to make a lot of changes, I would not be upset if they scrapped noodle arm for a guy that they evaluated and determined was the real deal.

I don't hold onto a guy out of fear of the unknown....It's not like you are picking a name out of a hat or picking a guy blindfolded...This would be an educated decision if something like that happened...
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I have seen enough of Andrew Luck play to confirm any doubts that yes he will be that franchise QB NFL teams covet. He is the second coming of Elway, same size, running ability, arm strength, accuracy, positive leadership, winner & pedigree. He is also homegrown :worldpeace:
 
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