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Does anyone actually want Kubiak to stay?

Marcus said:
For some perspective.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3217121&sportCat=nfl



What if Gary Kubiak goes on to be the next Bill Belichick?

Not saying it's gonna happen ... but if it does, there will be big boatload of people who wanted Kubiak to be fired today, that will come back and invent revisionist history and say they wanted him to stay.

I dunno . . I just have this gut feeling that we haven't heard the end of Gary Kubiak, the "mediocre coach".

And yeah . . . to echo someone else, I think even he wants to leave now, and has probably even told McNair that.
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Give me a break. Belichick had to be fired in Cleveland. When a person is fired, there's usually a time of reflection on what went wrong. As long as Gary stays here he will be enabled, thinking that he hasn't done anything wrong. He needs to be fired in order for him to "get it." If, after getting fired, he goes on and becomes a legendary coach, good for him. But as a fan of this team, I'm not going to sacrifice the future in order for someone to finally "get it."
 
So let me get this straight for reasons to keep Kubiak:

Tom Landry had five losing seasons when he started as a HC. Forget about different era, the lack of free agency and salary cap, and the little fact that Landry was a football genius, all we need to know is that he went five years without winning to justify supporting another year of Kubiak.

And the other is Belichick with the Browns, that somehow Gary will transform into a great football mind and motivator that he never showed even an ounce of having as a head coach of the Texans for five seasons.

Okay, those are the reasons.

And I'd like to point out that for every Tom Landry and Bill Belichick, I can show HUNDREDS of head coaches that achieved none of the above. Coaches that got five years and still lost with their second (and third) teams. And coaches that sucked at one team and still sucked at another.

The REASONS why Landry and Belichick are used as examples because they are UNIQUE in these accomplishments. And the reason that these examples are UNIQUE are directly due to the great football minds of both men.

Kubiak is way too mediocre to even be in the same conversation, yet I see people reaching for this logic time and time again. Mind boggling to read from smart football fans. Anyone expecting hidden greatness in Gary Kubiak might as well wait for the federal government to abolish the income tax.
 
Marcus said:
For some perspective.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3217121&sportCat=nfl



What if Gary Kubiak goes on to be the next Bill Belichick?

Not saying it's gonna happen ... but if it does, there will be big boatload of people who wanted Kubiak to be fired today, that will come back and invent revisionist history and say they wanted him to stay.

I dunno . . I just have this gut feeling that we haven't heard the end of Gary Kubiak, the "mediocre coach".

And yeah . . . to echo someone else, I think even he wants to leave now, and has probably even told McNair that.
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Ok. Let's kill the revisionist history right now...

I ,Pantherstang84, do hereby proclaim that I firmly believe on 12/27/2010 that Gary Kubiak, current head coach of the Houston Texans, should be dismissed from his current duties as head coach. I do not proclaim this with malice in my heart or being. I proclaim it due to my belief that both the Houston Texans and Gary Kubiak need to separate so that they may grow respectively. I also make the following stipulations:

1. If Kubiak eventually becomes a legendary head coach winning multiple Super Bowls with another organization, that I will not now or ever claim that I did not want Kubiak dismissed from his current duties as Texans head coach.

2. I am fully aware that this post and its contents will be saved for historical accuracy.

I encourage my fellow board members who want Kubiak dismissed to cosign this post so the revisionist history claims may be extinguished in the future.

Signed,

Pantherstang84
12/27/2010
 
thunderkyss said:
I definitely don't get the feeling that the team quit on him. Not at all.

I don't want Kubiak to stay.

What I want is for him to learn his lesson. Last year, the guys played their butts off, & we lost almost every game by one play..... we had lots of mistakes & goof ups that we had to over come, but we were still less than 6 points from winning all but the Jets game, & that was because we played hard & aggressive every down.

This year, we're several plays away from winning several games. We goof up & can't dig ourselves out of holes we dug early.

IMHO, last years team just needed to get better at making plays. Instead, he took that team & castrated them. Had them play conservative, where every mistake is magnified.

Yesterday's game was the epitome of it all. We came out conservative, put the throttle on the floor in the second Qtr, then went conservative the rest of the way.... Then with 3 minutes to go.... we start airing the ball out.... actually the possession before that. 10 minutes left in the game. We're up by 6, 5 passes, 2 runs. 3 incomplete passes, one check down, not one screen, not one draw........

But he's been doing the same thing for 5 years.. not knowing when to slow a game down.... not knowing when to speed it up.....

Denver's defense is/was worse than ours.

If he's going to learn his lesson, he'd have learned it by now.
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I think that is too much analysis TK.

He's just not a good head coach right now. And that is really all that matters.
 
Mr. White said:
Seems like the people that want him to stay want a new GM and a new DC.

Does anyone actually think Kubiak would want to stay if he doesn't have any control over personnel and doesn't have any say over the defense?
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FWIW, I want to keep the GM the same, he has done a decent job.

I just want an independent DC to do his thing.
 
I don't care what Kubiak does with his next team.

Brad Lidge had to go somewhere else to win a World Series. We all knew he wouldn't do it here.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I'm not sure TK is still pro-Kubiak.
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I'm pro Texans..... check my posts, I've never said anything specifically positive about wanting Kubiak to be the Texans head coach. All I've ever said this year, was wait till the end of the season.

There's been plenty of opportunity to turn this thing around. Other posters just turned out to be right, & it didn't happen.

I'll tell what Kubiak has done well, & in my mind, he's done many things well. But the games we lost...... I don't think it was any more on the players, or the defense, or the injuries, or the refs, any more for our team than for any other team. The Patriots are just as young as we are in the secondary, they've made just as many "mistakes", the Colts have had to deal with injuries, so has many of the other teams that have beat us, the Chargers for instance.

The Cowboys were just waiting for someone to put them out of their misery, & we breath new life into their season.....

I don't want Kubiak gone. I don't want Kubiak to stay. I do find it hard to believe that winning is the #1 thing on his mind. I do find it hard to believe that winning will be his primary goal in 2011. I do find it hard to believe that he'll finally put it all together if he's given the opportunity to here in Houston.

I'm not going to act like every decision I've ever made was a winner. I'm not going to act like I didn't like the hire 5 years ago. I'm not going to act like I could have done this better than McNair has........... I'd have done it, if I could.

I'll be rooting for the Texans on Jan 2nd, & I'll be rooting for the Texans in 2011.
 
ChampionTexan said:
I just believe that given the tenuous ground that Kubiak would be on if he were retained for 2011, anybody having options would place the Texans at or near the bottom of the list.
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Yet Bill Cowher wants this job???

If I'm a John Fox, or a Rex Ryan, I'd be all in. I'd be thinking I'm a bad game away from a head coaching gig.
 
Double Barrel said:
So let me get this straight for reasons to keep Kubiak:

Tom Landry had five losing seasons when he started as a HC. Forget about different era, the lack of free agency and salary cap, and the little fact that Landry was a football genius, all we need to know is that he went five years without winning to justify supporting another year of Kubiak.

And the other is Belichick with the Browns, that somehow Gary will transform into a great football mind and motivator that he never showed even an ounce of having as a head coach of the Texans for five seasons.

Okay, those are the reasons.

And I'd like to point out that for every Tom Landry and Bill Belichick, I can show HUNDREDS of head coaches that achieved none of the above. Coaches that got five years and still lost with their second (and third) teams. And coaches that sucked at one team and still sucked at another.

The REASONS why Landry and Belichick are used as examples because they are UNIQUE in these accomplishments. And the reason that these examples are UNIQUE are directly due to the great football minds of both men.

Kubiak is way too mediocre to even be in the same conversation, yet I see people reaching for this logic time and time again. Mind boggling to read from smart football fans. Anyone expecting hidden greatness in Gary Kubiak might as well wait for the federal government to abolish the income tax.
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Not only all of this but HE PICKED THE LAST 2 DEFENSIVE COORDINATORS!!!!

I mean what else do people want? Is he sprinkling magic pixie dust on you at night?

A new D Coordinator or GM doesn't solve the issue of him not preparing a team for a full 60 minutes. It doesn't solve the issue of him not running the top RB in the league when he needs to...5 times in the second half yesterday(just a few of his head scratchers weekly). These things don't solve him wasting timeouts and challenges.

Also, STOP the Bellichick talk. The guy came from a winning coaching tree that was shown to be successful in many sitations. As of right now it looks like the Shanahan coaching tree consisted on having John Elway.

All this talk is ludicrous.
 
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Hookem Horns said:
At this point I don't think Kubiak even wants to stay. If Bob does not make a move this team will be a bigger joke than it is now. There are teams firing their coaches right now with less reasons.
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That should be "fewer reasons." Sorry, this is my personal pet peeve.

Generally, use "less" with singular things, or things of bulk, that can't reasonably be counted, like love, hatred, or grain in the silo. Use "fewer" with things that can be counted, like marbles, footballs, grains of sand.

Oh, and I want less Kubiak (and one fewer Kubiaks) on the Texans' coaching staff next year.
 
Marcus said:
For some perspective.....
What if.

What if Belichick had answered his phone on Valentine's Day 1996, and it was Modell calling not to fire him as Cleveland Browns head coach, but to invite him to join the franchise in its new home in Baltimore?

What if Modell had stood by his vow of Nov. 8, 1995, when he said, "Bill Belichick will be my head coach in 1996''?

What if Belichick's team hadn't lost six of its last seven games after that vow, or hadn't finished the season 5-11 after being picked by some experts to reach the Super Bowl? So much of who and what Belichick is today as head coach of the fabulously successful New England Patriots can be traced to who and what he was as head coach of the mostly unsuccessful Browns. There are such stark differences between the two tenures, and yet Belichick remains essentially the same person, just not entirely the same coach."The Browns were his training camp, his boot camp for success,'' said Mary Kay Cabot, the beat reporter who covered Belichick and the Browns for the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
"There were mistakes he made here on players, personnel, staff, public relations. But he's the master of adjustments. He learned how to do it right by everything he did wrong here.''Nearly 12 years ago, when Modell took only a few minutes to fire Belichick over the phone, the decision was hailed as necessary and inevitable. An Akron columnist pithily wrote, "Bill Belichick's five-year reign of error is over.''
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3217121&sportCat=nfl



What if Gary Kubiak goes on to be the next Bill Belichick?

Not saying it's gonna happen ... but if it does, there will be big boatload of people who wanted Kubiak to be fired today, that will come back and invent revisionist history and say they wanted him to stay.

I dunno . . I just have this gut feeling that we haven't heard the end of Gary Kubiak, the "mediocre coach".

And yeah . . . to echo someone else, I think even he wants to leave now, and has probably even told McNair that.
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Do you think Belichick would have been as successful had he stayed with the Ravens? I'm thinking the other side of the franchise, the New England Patriots had as much to do with the success of Belichick as Belichick has to do with the Success of the New England Patriots. Just like Tom Brady...... had he been Art Shell's sixth round pick back in the day, we'd have no idea who he is today.

So it is with Kubiak. If he's going to be successful, this free reign thing he's got going on in Houston is obviously not conducive to allowing him to be the best he is capable of (if he is actually capable of more).

Something's gotta change. Either someone comes to Houston and allow him to focus on what he's obviously not focused on here, or he's got to go somewhere else, with the "right" environment for him.
 
Kubiak lost me completely when he answered the question about why, he thought, the Texans didn't play a full game. His answer was, "I don't know."

I taught for a hundred years and when you don't know what is wrong with a class' performance/behavior/whatever - you need to stop teaching. You may not be able to totally solve the problem but you sure as hell better know what the problem is and at least start to fix it.

For everyone's sake, Kubiak needs to sit down and seriously figure out what it is about his coaching style that is exacerbating the problems rather than fixing them. And he needs to start over somewhere else after he does that. Just like in a classroom, you can't go backwards and start over in the middle of the year with the same class. He isn't doing anyone any good here - not himself, not the players, not the team, not the fans.

This is not only for the good of the Texans, it is for his own good.

If he becomes the next Bill Belichick I, for one, will be happy for him. He is a good guy, I like him and hope he finds success somewhere. I just don't think it can be here.
 
Marcus said:
For some perspective.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3217121&sportCat=nfl



What if Gary Kubiak goes on to be the next Bill Belichick?

Not saying it's gonna happen ... but if it does, there will be big boatload of people who wanted Kubiak to be fired today, that will come back and invent revisionist history and say they wanted him to stay.

I dunno . . I just have this gut feeling that we haven't heard the end of Gary Kubiak, the "mediocre coach".

And yeah . . . to echo someone else, I think even he wants to leave now, and has probably even told McNair that.
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What makes people believe this will happen? What do you see in Kubiak that has a "Bill Belichick in him? Belichick at least made the playoffs and posted an 11-5 record.
 
I want Kubiak gone. I associate the miserableness of the Texans with him and would like to see a fresh start, even if it means a rebuild.

And if he goes on to have success elsewhere, more power to him. I don't care, I just want him gone.
 
Thorn said:
I want Kubiak gone. I associate the miserableness of the Texans with him and would like to see a fresh start, even if it means a rebuild.

And if he goes on to have success elsewhere, more power to him. I don't care, I just want him gone.
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Amen to this.
 
Does anyone actually want Kubiak to stay?

Unfortunately.....unless something has changed, Bob McNair does.
You can read the responses from the kubiak faithful and know what McNair is thinking on the subject. It looks like We may get a new DC. Once again, it will be too late when McNair finally does come to his senses....this time about two years too late.
 
I don't really want Kubiak to stay. He's had far too long to shore up basic game management-type stuff. Clock management never got corrected, and neither has his ability to recognize what to do and when to do it. Those are my biggest problems with him.

However, the new guy must maintain our offense. I'm sure he will, he'd be stupid to tinker with something that is our strong suit to begin with.

We need to gain positive consistency. We're already consistent. Consistently playing halves of games. Consistently doing stupid stuff.

I hope we can find the right guy.
 
GNTLEWOLF said:
Does anyone actually want Kubiak to stay?

Unfortunately.....unless something has changed, Bob McNair does.
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It sure seems to me like something's changed. These guys all seem to be going through the motions ever since the Ravens loss.

The past couple of Kubiak press conferences didn't look like a guy who was feeling too confident about keeping his job.

Then again, maybe McNair's vote of confidence a couple of weeks ago may have been just that. He talked up Carr a few weeks before he cut him loose too.
 
Kubiak is gone by next Monday. No way can McNair try to rationalize away losing 8 out of the past 9 games after a 4-2 start. No way can he not see the obvious fact that Kubiak is just not going to get it done with the Texans. I just can't believe the man is that stubborn to continue with the Path of Fail until it leads his entire franchise off a cliff. Until our owner proves otherwise, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's not a stupid man
 
Does anyone actually want Kubiak to stay? Yep!










Kubiak does. Just saw him on 13 news. He wants to stay, but looked and sounded like he know he is gone. Said Bob pays me for wins and that he understands this is a business.
 
Mr. White said:
It sure seems to me like something's changed. These guys all seem to be going through the motions ever since the Ravens loss.

The past couple of Kubiak press conferences didn't look like a guy who was feeling too confident about keeping his job.

Then again, maybe McNair's vote of confidence a couple of weeks ago may have been just that. He talked up Carr a few weeks before he cut him loose too.
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I don't know if anything's changed. We're still playing relatively hard for one half. I don't think the players or the coaching staff have quit. It's been the same lackluster pattern.

Yeah, vote of confidence means absolutely nothing.

He's gone by January 3rd. I'm almost 100% positive.
 
i'm off the kubiak wagon. should have lost to washington and kc as well. lucky to see rusty smith when we did. this whole thing is a mess. don't know what the hell bob is waiting on. other teams will be making moves soon.
 
Let's just say for the sake of argument Kubiak comes back for another season. What will you do?

For season ticket holders, will you renew your tickets? For folks that just sit at home and watch will you continue to watch? Will you just accept fate and hope for the best....again?

For me, I'll continue to watch. I will have no option other than hoping Kubiak exorcises his demons in the offseason. I watched the Oilers every weekend even during the lean years, I'll be doing the same with the Texans. But I won't be happy, that's for damn sure.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm kind of like KT - I won't be hopping mad if a new coach is brought in and I won't be hopping mad if Kubiak stays with caveats on both. I am not in the anybody but Kubiak club. I really dislike Gruden and don't see Fox as an improvement as HC. If they could land Cowher, Jimmy Johnson or Harbaugh then that's fine. If Kubiak stays at a minimum Bush and Gibbs need to leave and I would prefer a new GM as well. I am most interested in seeing a proven DC brought in either way.
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I am in the same boat as you 'cak and KT. There has been a lot of turnover with the offensive coaches over the years and the offense has maintained fairly well. Defensively well they have got to get a veteran staff in. however, BOB needs to **** or get off the pot on this. I read an article that there could be 10 coaches that have lost their jobs this season (the list included the possibility of Kubiak)

like 'cak said MINIMUM of Bush and Gibbs need to be gone

Holland would be one I'd like to see stay though
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I don't know if anything's changed. We're still playing relatively hard for one half. I don't think the players or the coaching staff have quit. It's been the same lackluster pattern.

Yeah, vote of confidence means absolutely nothing.

He's gone by January 3rd. I'm almost 100% positive.
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...that you're wrong. I agree with the posters that have said the D coaching staff gets a make over and GK still prowls the sidelines. I've not said much because it's become such a pissing match. Perhaps I have the "Uncle Bob" syndrome in that I like him as a person and I for (perhaps the only) one like his demeanor. I'll get rocks for that, OK. Can he do it? I dunno. Will he eventually be succsessful? I really do believe he will be. Will it be in Houston? Time will tell.

I just want my Houston Texans to WIN!

I'm out.
 
I hope the Texans win the finale against the Jags despite the coaches to finish on a positive note

McNair can't justify keeping Kubiak whether its 6-10 or 5-11
 
Marcus said:
For some perspective.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3217121&sportCat=nfl



What if Gary Kubiak goes on to be the next Bill Belichick?

Not saying it's gonna happen ... but if it does, there will be big boatload of people who wanted Kubiak to be fired today, that will come back and invent revisionist history and say they wanted him to stay.

I dunno . . I just have this gut feeling that we haven't heard the end of Gary Kubiak, the "mediocre coach".

And yeah . . . to echo someone else, I think even he wants to leave now, and has probably even told McNair that.
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I'm late to the thread, but you will be hung in effigy by the "fire kubiak or else" lynch mob in here. At this point, i just want him to be gone so this board can get back to normal & this whole thing can just end...i'm talking about the segregation of this board & the kubiak experiment in general.

This whole thing reminds me of the Dunta Robinson saga. People were foaming at the mouth to get rid of this guy & sure enough got their wish & they were estatic. Now, in the midst of putting the finishing touches on one of the worst defensive seasons in the history of the nfl where our secondary has been the main problem, i bet those same folks feel real dumb right now. They didn't think it would get this bad when we let him go...but it did.
 
drs23 said:
...that you're wrong. I agree with the posters that have said the D coaching staff gets a make over and GK still prowls the sidelines. I've not said much because it's become such a pissing match. Perhaps I have the "Uncle Bob" syndrome in that I like him as a person and I for (perhaps the only) one like his demeanor. I'll get rocks for that, OK. Can he do it? I dunno. Will he eventually be succsessful? I really do believe he will be. Will it be in Houston? Time will tell.

I just want my Houston Texans to WIN!

I'm out.
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It'd have to be a serious shakeup though. And we need a super upgrade in defensive talent as well, through FA and maybe even a straight-down-the-ticket defensive draft.

We'll see in just a few days, I guess.
 
Maddict5 said:
it makes sense to keep this offence in place.

the new dc comes in knowing theres talent on this D and if they get the unit playing well, they'll be back in every conversation for a HC gig... either here or elsewhere
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So it'll be like 2009 all over again? Top 10 D, top 5 offense..... 9-7 or worse.

Why not??
 
Mr teX said:
I'm late to the thread, but you will be hung in effigy by the "fire kubiak or else" lynch mob in here. At this point, i just want him to be gone so this board can get back to normal & this whole thing can just end...i'm talking about the segregation of this board & the kubiak experiment in general.

This whole thing reminds me of the Dunta Robinson saga. People were foaming at the mouth to get rid of this guy & sure enough got their wish & they were estatic. Now, in the midst of putting the finishing touches on one of the worst defensive seasons in the history of the nfl where our secondary has been the main problem, i bet those same folks feel real dumb right now. They didn't think it would get this bad when we let him go...but it did.
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So you are going to use a player vs a coach argument?If we did that I'd be the smartest guy here because I wanted Carr gone 2-3 years before he left, liked Schaub and guessed Kubes would fail. See how that works?Pick and chose. Everyone wanting Kubiak, Smith..everyone gone has dead solid evidence and alot more data than almost any team in the league years wise. Look at who has been let go this year?

Under many people's screwed up methodology the Cowboys should have kept
Wade because he ran a top D for years there. Just skip the quitting, etc. I mean at least they won divisions and made the playoffs.

And the Texans offense is just as much to blame for slow starts as the defense. To be down by 14 or more you have to suck on D and not score. Just because they score when the other team lets down doesn't mean the offense isn't the issue. I really will never get the push to be soso forever. It is a loser mentality.

Mike Singletary would have been here 10 years with his speeches.
 
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Double Barrel said:
The REASONS why Landry and Belichick are used as examples because they are UNIQUE in these accomplishments. And the reason that these examples are UNIQUE are directly due to the great football minds of both men.

Kubiak is way too mediocre to even be in the same conversation, yet I see people reaching for this logic time and time again. Mind boggling to read from smart football fans. Anyone expecting hidden greatness in Gary Kubiak might as well wait for the federal government to abolish the income tax.
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I am not a proponent of keeping Gary Kubiak. I don't mean to defend him, but the only way to get to the conclusion you have, is to ignore the good he has done here.

Even in this waste of a season, we are tops in Red Zone offense. We are tops in 3rd & short. We are tops in the run game. Even though AJ has sat out (more or less) 3 games, he's tops in the league. We have an opportunity to end the season 3-3 in the division, which is a big improvement over our divisional play over the last 4 years.

Again, he is not the head coach he should be after a lifetime in the league, part of a successful program in Denver, and five years at the helm here......

But he's not chopped liver.

I believe we've played our part in the education of Gary Kubiak.... I believe canning him is the best thing that can happen for him right now. Winning is everything, no excuses.
 
No one who has a shred of credibility as a legit NFL analyst or fan could even begin to rationalize bringing this abject failure of a regime back for another season.

Let's call a spade a spade people who want Kubiak back and before that wanted to keep Carr despite all evidence showing their loser stripes are ****ing TERRORISTS. That's right terrorists because these sadomasochists are out to deny us Houston NFL fans from enjoying playoff football.
 
thunderkyss said:
I am not a proponent of keeping Gary Kubiak. I don't mean to defend him, but the only way to get to the conclusion you have, is to ignore the good he has done here.

Even in this waste of a season, we are tops in Red Zone offense. We are tops in 3rd & short. We are tops in the run game. Even though AJ has sat out (more or less) 3 games, he's tops in the league. We have an opportunity to end the season 3-3 in the division, which is a big improvement over our divisional play over the last 4 years.

Again, he is not the head coach he should be after a lifetime in the league, part of a successful program in Denver, and five years at the helm here......

But he's not chopped liver.

I believe we've played our part in the education of Gary Kubiak.... I believe canning him is the best thing that can happen for him right now. Winning is everything, no excuses.
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Great post.
 
Double Barrel said:
Kubiak is gone by next Monday. No way can McNair try to rationalize away losing 8 out of the past 9 games after a 4-2 start. No way can he not see the obvious fact that Kubiak is just not going to get it done with the Texans. I just can't believe the man is that stubborn to continue with the Path of Fail until it leads his entire franchise off a cliff. Until our owner proves otherwise, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's not a stupid man
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We're going to have Damien Lewis, Mark Anderson, & Jason Allen on our starting defense. Three Street free agents.

I bet you that is the reason Mario was put on IR two weeks ago, even though he's played practically every game of his career injured.

I guarantee you injury is going to be their big excuse.... even though they had five years to build depth on this program.
 
TexansFight said:
No one who has a shred of credibility as a legit NFL analyst or fan could even begin to rationalize bringing this abject failure of a regime back for another season.

Let's call a spade a spade people who want Kubiak back and before that wanted to keep Carr despite all evidence showing their loser stripes are ****ing TERRORISTS. That's right terrorists because these sadomasochists are out to deny us Houston NFL fans from enjoying playoff football.
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This may be the most stupid, most offensive post about football that I have ever read.
 
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Double Barrel said:
So let me get this straight for reasons to keep Kubiak:

Tom Landry had five losing seasons when he started as a HC. Forget about different era, the lack of free agency and salary cap, and the little fact that Landry was a football genius, all we need to know is that he went five years without winning to justify supporting another year of Kubiak.

And the other is Belichick with the Browns, that somehow Gary will transform into a great football mind and motivator that he never showed even an ounce of having as a head coach of the Texans for five seasons.

Okay, those are the reasons.

And I'd like to point out that for every Tom Landry and Bill Belichick, I can show HUNDREDS of head coaches that achieved none of the above. Coaches that got five years and still lost with their second (and third) teams. And coaches that sucked at one team and still sucked at another.

The REASONS why Landry and Belichick are used as examples because they are UNIQUE in these accomplishments. And the reason that these examples are UNIQUE are directly due to the great football minds of both men.

Kubiak is way too mediocre to even be in the same conversation, yet I see people reaching for this logic time and time again. Mind boggling to read from smart football fans. Anyone expecting hidden greatness in Gary Kubiak might as well wait for the federal government to abolish the income tax.
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Right on DB.

I think that these constant Landry and Billicheck comparisons of how Kubiak might fall into that exact path is about the most ignorant and ridiculous comparisons of what might happen from any bias fan of any team. It's embarrassing to even have to read that Kubiak has some sort of possibility that he'd turn into a Billicheck as some sort of reasoning to keep this guy. I'ts by far the worst scare tactic I've heard any fan use. "We can't get rid of him. What if he turned into the next Billicheck or Bill Walsh"??!! How stupid would we feel then if that happened? :wadepalm:

BB is arguably the best HC of all time at this point if not that he's in the top 3. And Kubes might turn into him?? Lol!!

Yeah right. And you and I DB might start a band together tomorrow and become the next Michael Jackson and Prince.
 
Texecutioner said:
Right on DB.

I think that these constant Landry and Billicheck comparisons of how Kubiak might fall into that exact path is about the most ignorant and ridiculous comparisons of what might happen from any bias fan of any team. It's embarrassing to even have to read that Kubiak has some sort of possibility that he'd turn into a Billicheck as some sort of reasoning to keep this guy. I'ts by far the worst scare tactic I've heard any fan use. "We can't get rid of him. What if he turned into the next Billicheck or Bill Walsh"??!! How stupid would we feel then if that happened? :wadepalm:

BB is arguably the best HC of all time at this point if not that he's in the top 3. And Kubes might turn into him?? Lol!!

Yeah right. And you and I DB might start a band together tomorrow and become the next Michael Jackson and Prince.
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:yikes: Ya'll are black? I had no idea.
 
markn said:
On balance, I think he's had enough time and needs to go, but I do feel that his potential is unfulfilled.

If I could be certain that he'd hire an experienced DC as opposed to one of his buddies from Denver, I'd have a modicum of interest in keeping him. But to be honest, he's already failed that test.

I still have this feeling in the pit of my stomach that he's going to be successful if we get rid of him.
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I feel exactly like you. What im scared of is starting over. Thats why I wasen't on the fire Kubiak band wagon last year. With this much talent its hard to predict what will happen with a new staff next year. Might get something like KC or you might get something worse.
Thing is even if we replace OC/DC/ST, the fire needs to come from the HC. I don't mind a players coach, but sometimes business is business and any manager/boss/coach has to bring heat on his players to get them motivated.
I just don't see that ever happening from him.
Its too bad we can't demote him to OC, having Mcnair tell him he owes it to the town or some bullshit.
 
Mr teX said:
I'm late to the thread, but you will be hung in effigy by the "fire kubiak or else" lynch mob in here. At this point, i just want him to be gone so this board can get back to normal & this whole thing can just end...i'm talking about the segregation of this board & the kubiak experiment in general.

This whole thing reminds me of the Dunta Robinson saga. People were foaming at the mouth to get rid of this guy & sure enough got their wish & they were estatic. Now, in the midst of putting the finishing touches on one of the worst defensive seasons in the history of the nfl where our secondary has been the main problem, i bet those same folks feel real dumb right now. They didn't think it would get this bad when we let him go...but it did.
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Amazing that you would actually use the Dunta Robinson release as some sort of "I told ya so" nonsense. Dunta? Really? Lol! Is that how low some of you Kubes supporters are reaching now?

That was actually one of the smarter things Smithiak has actually done here. In case you didn't notice our defense was pathetic last season when Dunta was here as well. Our secondary was torched last season, and Dunta was burnt miserably all year long. His attitude changed and he became vastly overrated. And whether you want to believe that he was some Messiah at CB or not is your perogative, but the bottom line was that it wasn't working out here for him anymore and once that's the case you have to have a divorce between both parties.

You want to actually act like Dunta's exit here is some major reason why this defense is struggling the way it is, well that's a bunch of BS. The real reason is the what you defended for years and it's Smithiak's lack of any action in free agency to fill up holes on this defense year after year in free agency with productive veteran players like every other consitently competitive team does. If you're not getting better you're getting worse in the NFL, and the Texans have never done anything to make themselves get better in the off season from year to year. They've just stood pat and said "Build through the draft, Build through the draft"!! Well now you're seeing it's ugly head form in year 5 from that. Draft picks are a roll of the dice every time. The Texans have refused to build up this secondary since Smithiak got here.
 
I don't know why but I believe Kubiak has one more week on the job at least here in Houston.
 
TexansFight said:
No one who has a shred of credibility as a legit NFL analyst or fan could even begin to rationalize bringing this abject failure of a regime back for another season.

Let's call a spade a spade people who want Kubiak back and before that wanted to keep Carr despite all evidence showing their loser stripes are ****ing TERRORISTS. That's right terrorists because these sadomasochists are out to deny us Houston NFL fans from enjoying playoff football.
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Just wow.

And here I was appreciating how reasonable people had been about this thread.....
 
TexansFight said:
No one who has a shred of credibility as a legit NFL analyst or fan could even begin to rationalize bringing this abject failure of a regime back for another season.

Let's call a spade a spade people who want Kubiak back and before that wanted to keep Carr despite all evidence showing their loser stripes are ****ing TERRORISTS. That's right terrorists because these sadomasochists are out to deny us Houston NFL fans from enjoying playoff football.
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Wow.

If you were to be denied from enjoying anything in your life, that would be fine with me.
 
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