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Justice: "McNair Angering Fanbase"

steelbtexan said:
Lucky

Explain to me why the pro Kubiak wantshim retained?

if there's a reason other than the A&M loyalty. Or stat geek fan I want to know why keeping Kuniak/Smith is a good idea. I guess making the playoffs. Much less a SB is too much to ask for.
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There are pros & cons to every coach. Some are good at managing a game. Some an offense, some a defense. Some coaches are good at firing up a team, some are good at keeping them cool. etc.. etc.. etc..

Just last year, we were talking about how good our young team was, & how deep we were at several positions. When you look at that, it appears that we're on the verge of being a good team, for a very long time. Kubiak is good, I think very good, at building a team.

All we need, is that strategic master mind, that can get that young team in a position to dominate for 60 minutes (& this team is very capable of doing just that).

I said Kubiak wasn't ready to be a head coach at the end of the 2006 season, & hoped that he would turn into a head coach..... in a reasonable amount of time.

I still think he has it in him, but I have no idea what it's going to take to get it out of him, & quite frankly (like the rest of you) I'm tired of waiting.
 
Hervoyel said:
And what I can't understand is why it's repeated so often when it's been demonstrated over and over again recently that when good coaches take over they can turn a reasonably talented team around in a short period of time. In New Orleans, Atlanta, Miami, and even Kansas City we've seen coaching changes result in turnarounds in a very short period of time. Tampa Bay has won 8 games this year following a 3-13 collapse last year. The Rams have been terrible for years and they have more wins than we do (by one admittedly) and the Lions just won their 4th game. One more win by them and another collapse from us and we're tied with the Lions.

A proven coach could have won 8-10 games with this team so far. I don't have a doubt in mind about that. Change will happen but quality coaches who know what they're doing don't dick around for years. They make changes quickly and those changes make a real difference.

Enough of this bullshit with newbie owners, newbie GM's, newb coaches and newb assistants. Will the Houston Texans PLEASE just hire one S.O.B. SOMEWHERE who knows what in the hell he's doing?
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Tampa Bay has done it with 30 something year old dude who had little coachng experience as even a coordinator at the pro or college level. They have an 11-2 Falcons and returning Superbowl champs in their division.

Speaking of the Falcons Mike Smith was not a hot name when he was hired. Just a boring long term asst.

To me, it is about the person doing the hiring to have legitimae football knowledge especially in terms of recognizing others with football knowledge and personnel experience. You can find a good coach without having to pay for Cowher, but the hirer needs to have football smarts.
 
houstonhurricane said:
Kubes is done - he carried the goodwill of McNair and basically made him look like a fool. Our owner absolutely believed we would win out...not get pushed around by the VY-less Titans.
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This. I have a hard time believing McNair is going to accept this team taking a huge step back & 9-7 to 7-9 is a HUGE step back even though it doesn't seem like it.
 
I take comfort in my belief McNair was saying what owners say to the public and not what he's really thinking.

I think McNair was giving The Kube his proverbial vote of confidence. I just hope what happens next is always happens after such a vote of confidence, the pink slip. Since we're done this year the sooner the better.
 
Hervoyel said:
That's all good and well but will somebody wake me when Kubiak does "better"?
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If McNair had fired Kubiak last year & we had Chan Gailey in here, I would still have been all Gailey Sunshine, if we were 5-8 coming into this game.

That's just the way I roll.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Tampa Bay has done it with 30 something year old dude who had little coachng experience as even a coordinator at the pro or college level. They have an 11-2 Falcons and returning Superbowl champs in their division.

Speaking of the Falcons Mike Smith was not a hot name when he was hired. Just a boring long term asst.

To me, it is about the person doing the hiring to have legitimae football knowledge especially in terms of recognizing others with football knowledge and personnel experience. You can find a good coach without having to pay for Cowher, but the hirer needs to have football smarts.
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I didn't mean to imply that you couldn't go out and hire a "relative unknown" and get a good coach. Only that we need a good coach to make this into chicken salad as opposed to the "Kubiak-caviar" it is now. Since we don't have one single football knowledgeable person in our organization apparently we do need to pay for someone like Cowher who is proven. We have seen McNair try (with first Charlie Casserly, and then Dan Reeves help even) to find a good head coach and it hasn't worked.

We'll be waiting forever for this guy to figure it out. Shortest distance between two points is go hire someone who obviously knows how to do it because he's done it before.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Do you really think that McNair feels like a fool now?
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Absolutely. He made those comments because he believed the team that came back last week to tie it up was the team that was going to come out for the last three games - he was 100% confident in that. Now, we came out and looked like pure garbage against a team that had already quit for the season, was playing without their starting qb and have less talent than we do.
 
houstonhurricane said:
Absolutely. He made those comments because he believed the team that came back last week to tie it up was the team that was going to come out for the last three games - he was 100% confident in that. Now, we came out and looked like pure garbage against a team that had already quit for the season, was playing without their starting qb and have less talent than we do.
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That's taking for granted that he recognizes garbage.:kitten:
 
houstonspartan said:
What a lame, weak-ass comment. Either you think Gary Kubiak can do it, or you don't. Enough with this hemming and hawing.
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He's been saying that he's not a Kubiak fan in all sorts of threads all of a sudden knowing good and well he's been defending him unconditionally maybe more than anyone for the last two years. Now every time it's some sort of "well I don't care if the coach is fired, but I think he's a great coach" type of statement every time. No substance.
 
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A riot is an ugly sink, unt, I think that it is just about time dat ve had vone!
 
Wow my HCAD link to Bob McNair's house post was deleted? That's public info that anyone can look at and see. Didn't know I couldn't post that. Sorry...
 
Pollardized said:
Wow my HCAD link to Bob McNair's house post was deleted? That's public info that anyone can look at and see. Didn't know I couldn't post that. Sorry...
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I quoted it and it got deleted too. It's probably for the best.

I'm pretty sure Texans Fight is already headed over there.
 
Pollardized said:
Wow my HCAD link to Bob McNair's house post was deleted? That's public info that anyone can look at and see. Didn't know I couldn't post that. Sorry...
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Yeah, that happens. What's worse is that with it went the quoted post that had the cool Frankenstein-esq crowd with torches and pitchforks which my Inspector Klempf post was then going to play off of. Now I'm just left stuck out there with little to no frame of reference. The joke doesn't work as well now.
 
Hervoyel said:
Yeah, that happens. What's worse is that with it went the quoted post that had the cool Frankenstein-esq crowd with torches and pitchforks which my Inspector Klempf post was then going to play off of. Now I'm just left stuck out there with little to no frame of reference. The joke doesn't work as well now.
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Don't worry Herv -- anything remotely related to the Texans is easily identified as a joke.
 
Hervoyel said:
Yeah, that happens. What's worse is that with it went the quoted post that had the cool Frankenstein-esq crowd with torches and pitchforks which my Inspector Klempf post was then going to play off of. Now I'm just left stuck out there with little to no frame of reference. The joke doesn't work as well now.
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I'll try to help you out, Herv.

Hervoyel said:
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Let's go! We're going over to Bob McNair's house and we're gonna give him what for!!! Someone go look up his address from the tax records on the internet!

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A riot is an ugly sink, unt, I think that it is just about time dat ve had vone!
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Mr. White said:
I'm pretty sure Texans Fight is already headed over there.
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Texans Fight has not ever been a bad poster in his history here as far as I know. It's clear that he's been very frustrated and lashed out at a few fans today and crossed the line with a post or two. I don't think that it's a consistent pattern of behavior with him though.
 
Texecutioner said:
He's been saying that he's not a Kubiak fan in all sorts of threads all of a sudden knowing good and well he's been defending him unconditionally maybe more than anyone for the last two years. Now every time it's some sort of "well I don't care if the coach is fired, but I think he's a great coach" type of statement every time. No substance.
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I've defended this team. When asked, I may have listed GK's good points. I continue to say he's done a good job building this team to get it where it is today.

I've been extremely consistent on my opinion of GK's future with this team.
 
Back awhile ago McNair made a ridiculous half-assed sweep of the locker room for drugs. Now he needs to made a whole-hearted sweep of the locker room for coaches and players.
 
thunderkyss said:
I've defended this team. When asked, I may have listed GK's good points. I continue to say he's done a good job building this team to get it where it is today.

I've been extremely consistent on my opinion of GK's future with this team.
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No, you have not. You have defended Gary Kubiak ten ways from Sunday as much as you can the last year or so. Suddenly, you're "consistent"? Nope.
 
I'm very angered! This **** is getting old quick. When the Giants kicked their ass, I had a bad feeling things were gonna get ugly.

The thing is, a blind man could see that there need to be changes, yet Bob is acting like everything is going according to plan. I'm not the one to go crazy and want to fire everyone, but now I think its time for a major shakeup! :cutthroat: :pissed:
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
You can find a good coach without having to pay for Cowher, but the hirer needs to have football smarts.
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Hervoyel said:
Since we don't have one single football knowledgeable person in our organization apparently we do need to pay for someone like Cowher who is proven.
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That's basically what I would have said. The Texans can't afford an attempt to pull a Mike Smith out of their hat. They have to go out and get a sure thing.

houstonspartan said:
What a lame, weak-ass comment. Either you think Gary Kubiak can do it, or you don't. Enough with this hemming and hawing.
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It's past time to cease commenting on individual posters, and stick to comments regarding the games and the organization.

blogkimmy said:
Don't worry Herv -- anything remotely related to the Texans is easily identified as a joke.
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I can still laugh. Thank you.

CloakNNNdagger said:
Back awhile ago McNair made a ridiculous half-assed sweep of the locker room for drugs. Now he needs to made a whole-hearted sweep of the locker room for coaches and players.
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Must spread rep....
 
Be prepared for Uncle Bob to anger the fanbase even more because Kubiak is under contract for 2 more years and Bob isn't going to want to pay a lame duck coach for 2 more years.

The best thing Kubiak could do for this team is to quit tonight.
 
Wolf6151 said:
Be prepared for Uncle Bob to anger the fanbase even more because Kubiak is under contract for 2 more years and Bob isn't going to want to pay a lame duck coach for 2 more years.

The best thing Kubiak could do for this team is to quit tonight.
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Human nature is a strange thing and despite having a high profile job where you are expected to win, maybe Kubes sees the writing on the wall. Maybe he sees Denver. Maybe he will basically lay on the sword. I hope......
 
What I don't get is why would Denver want Kubiak when he couldn't get it done here? I mean, I'm fine with them taking a mediocre coach but I don't understand why they would want him.
 
hradhak said:
What I don't get is why would Denver want Kubiak when he couldn't get it done here? I mean, I'm fine with them taking a mediocre coach but I don't understand why they would want him.
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Maybe they want hum as offensive coordinator.

I've had a faint glimmer of hope that Bob's vote of confidence last week reflected an agreement between him and Kubiak: Bob wouldn't fire him, but Kubes would quit at the end of the season.
 
False Start said:
I'm very angered! This **** is getting old quick. When the Giants kicked their ass, I had a bad feeling things were gonna get ugly.

The thing is, a blind man could see that there need to be changes, yet Bob is acting like everything is going according to plan. I'm not the one to go crazy and want to fire everyone, but now I think its time for a major shakeup! :cutthroat: :pissed:
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Unfortunately, when we were 4-2 I knew it wasn't real at the time. Our defense was horrendous then too, it was just covered up by the offense putting points on the board and getting the W. I think we all knew we couldn't hang 30 or more points every game. Which is what it would've taken to win most of our 9 losses.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Unfortunately, when we were 4-2 I knew it wasn't real at the time. Our defense was horrendous then too, it was just covered up by the offense putting points on the board and getting the W. I think we all knew we couldn't hang 30 or more points every game. Which is what it would've taken to win most of our 9 losses.
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I agree. But New England figured out how to do it. They give up just as many yards per game as the Texans. 28th in the league. Texans are 30th. But the NE coaching staff figured out how to overcome it. Despite playing the NY Jets, Baltimore, San Diego, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, NY Jets again, Chicago, Green Bay.

Oddly enough their only losses are to division opponent Buffalo, and AFC North Cleveland.
 
Super Mario said:
I agree. But New England figured out how to do it. They give up just as many yards per game as the Texans. 28th in the league. Texans are 30th. But the NE coaching staff figured out how to overcome it. Despite playing the NY Jets, Baltimore, San Diego, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, NY Jets again, Chicago, Green Bay.

Oddly enough their only losses are to division opponent Buffalo, and AFC North Cleveland.
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Yes, you're correct. The Pats went very young on defense this season, but Belichik has them playing pretty good right now.
 
Goatcheese said:
If you ever find yourself agreeing with justice it's time to rethink your position.
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You're just drinking hatorade, man. I'm no fan of Richard Justice, but he's being Captain Obvious with this article. He's tapping into the deep resentment that's building in the Texans fan base and regurgitating it.

For instance, he said:

"The Texans have one winning record and zero playoff appearances, and there's no way of looking at this team and thinking it's on the right track."

So, to rethink the position because Justice said it, you think this 5-9 team is on the right track? I do not think it's good to be wrong out of spite.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Do you really think that McNair feels like a fool now?
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God, I sure HOPE he does. As an owner he went public in his belief that the Texans were "headed in the right direction". Right now that direction is straight down the tubes.

Koolaid Time said:
No, but he will in 2 weeks, when he realizes he has painted himself into a corner.
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That's what still worries me. After his public display of standig behind his coach, can his Ego take the hit of saying "I made a mistake".....again.

CloakNNNdagger said:
Back awhile ago McNair made a ridiculous half-assed sweep of the locker room for drugs. Now he needs to made a whole-hearted sweep of the locker room for coaches and players.
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I think he might find them there...it's the field of play they've gone missing on.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Unfortunately, when we were 4-2 I knew it wasn't real at the time. Our defense was horrendous then too, it was just covered up by the offense putting points on the board and getting the W. I think we all knew we couldn't hang 30 or more points every game. Which is what it would've taken to win most of our 9 losses.
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I still find it hard to blame the defense. It's a total team fail, & I blame the offense for most of it.

I know common sense says it's the defense, But we've got the best WR in the league & the league's leading rusher but we've never gone to half time with a lead?

With an offense "like ours" & a defense like ours, the game plan has got to be to get a lead & help the defense by pressuring the opposing team to throw the ball. Allowing our poor defense to play aggressively (& we play better, when we're aggressive).

Colts, Rams (the greatest show on turf Rams) & the Broncos (the Kubiak as OC Broncos) didn't have stellar defenses carrying them to the play-offs year after year. It was the offense leading the way.

The 25th ranked defense Cowboys allow 28.3 (31st) ppg..... we couldn't score 14 on them. Our defense held them to 10 first half points, we only scored 3.

We probably lead the league in first half 3 & outs.

The defense sucks..... no denying that.... but why do we keep them on the field all the time?
 
disaacks3 said:
That's what still worries me. After his public display of standig behind his coach, can his Ego take the hit of saying "I made a mistake".....again.
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He was giving his team a pep talk....... trying to give them a reason to keep playing. He wasn't talking to the public.
 
thunderkyss said:
He was giving his team a pep talk....... trying to give them a reason to keep playing. He wasn't talking to the public.
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He was after he came out and said what happened at the owners meetings. If it's not for public consumption, don't talk about and announce how impressed they were.
 
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