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Video of my least favorite Texan: meet Mario Williams

thunderkyss said:
Setting the edge is what the play side end (sometimes a LB, sometimes a DB, usually a DE) is supposed to do to get the runner to turn back into the middle of the formation where most of your defenders are supposed to be.

Has nothing to do with getting to the QB.
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le sigh.. he should know whether or not he has to set the edge or not before he even gets out of his stance.. it's not like most tackles take any tact anymore in hiding if it's a run or pass out of their stance.

:mariopalm:
 
silvrhand said:
le sigh.. he should know whether or not he has to set the edge or not before he even gets out of his stance.. it's not like most tackles take any tact anymore in hiding if it's a run or pass out of their stance.

:mariopalm:
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Not Mario's job...if the defensive play is called to require him to set the edge then that is what he is supposed to do...now if our defensive alignment is set to play the run but it looks like a pass, then its the Mike's job to alert everyone and have the players make changes. This still doesn't change that yes Mario can use different moves to accomplish his objective.
 
Double Barrel said:
I don't care about statistics. Besides, you can pick and choose to support any given perspective, as your post clearly demonstrates.

I see what I see, which is a lack of consistent pressure on opposing teams' QBs. Games are won and lost in the trenches. And with a very weak secondary, we need pressure up front to make up for our glaring weakness. Our no. 1 overall pick is simply not putting consistent pressure that he should be given his physical skills and resources devoted to acquiring and retaining his services.

I never said that he's not a good DE. I'm just pointing out that he's nowhere near as good as he could be (and should be), all things considered.
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I think this post sums it up pretty damn well DB. Anyone who has watched the majority of Texans games over the years at this point shouldn't be able to say with a straight face that Mario is this electrifying DE that puts on constant pressure. He doesn't do that consistently. People seem to get all enraged because he's one of the best defensive players we have on this team. Well woopity dooo! He's one of the best players on the worst defense in the league, and Mario is part of that as much as people don't want to believe. First round picks have high expectations. First picks of the draft have extremely high expectations. They get paid salaries that most players dream of, and therefore asking them to play like a complete stud isn't asking that much when you're paid to be that kind of player.

Mario's stats are pretty good if you look at just sacks, but outside of that they're not eye popping really. But it's not the sack #'s I care about as much, it's the QB hurries that make the big difference throughout a game and the constant pressure that you want to see out of a guy who is supposed to be a big time DE. Mario just doesn't give constant pressure. He does in small spurts, but disappears for to long of stretches at a time.

Take a guy like Michael Strahan. I used to love to watch that guy play. It was never about the sacks that made me value the kind of DE he was even though he got a ton of them, but it was the constant pressure he always brought and the big plays he always seemed to make when his team needed them. Strahan was a total beast for the Giants for years. His presence was always felt on the field the whole game. Mario is not that type of DE.
 
Texecutioner said:
I think this post sums it up pretty damn well DB. Anyone who has watched the majority of Texans games over the years at this point shouldn't be able to say with a straight face that Mario is this electrifying DE that puts on constant pressure. He doesn't do that consistently. People seem to get all enraged because he's one of the best defensive players we have on this team. Well woopity dooo! He's one of the best players on the worst defense in the league, and Mario is part of that as much as people don't want to believe. First round picks have high expectations. First picks of the draft have extremely high expectations. They get paid salaries that most players dream of, and therefore asking them to play like a complete stud isn't asking that much when you're paid to be that kind of player.

Mario's stats are pretty good if you look at just sacks, but outside of that they're not eye popping really. But it's not the sack #'s I care about as much, it's the QB hurries that make the big difference throughout a game and the constant pressure that you want to see out of a guy who is supposed to be a big time DE. Mario just doesn't give constant pressure. He does in small spurts, but disappears for to long of stretches at a time.

Take a guy like Michael Strahan. I used to love to watch that guy play. It was never about the sacks that made me value the kind of DE he was even though he got a ton of them, but it was the constant pressure he always brought and the big plays he always seemed to make when his team needed them. Strahan was a total beast for the Giants for years. His presence was always felt on the field the whole game. Mario is not that type of DE.
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This is all true. But there is not a team in the league that would not love to have Mario at his current contract.

It is becoming more apparant every game that Mario is not happy with the scheme.

I would like to see consistency out of him, and he is not the top DE in the league, but he is top 10.

How effective would he be if he was playing next to a Shaun Rogers type DT?
 
JB said:
This is all true. But there is not a team in the league that would not love to have Mario at his current contract.

It is becoming more apparant every game that Mario is not happy with the scheme.

I would like to see consistency out of him, and he is not the top DE in the league, but he is top 10.

How effective would he be if he was playing next to a Shaun Rogers type DT?
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How effective would he be if he was playing next to the same guys he does now, only he gave better effort (like Antonio Smith)... Being the most talented player on the DL hardly seems like an excuse to give the least amount of effort.
 
dalemurphy said:
How effective would he be if he was playing next to the same guys he does now, only he gave better effort (like Antonio Smith)... Being the most talented player on the DL hardly seems like an excuse to give the least amount of effort.
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And I disagree with you on his effort. So be it.
 
Texecutioner said:
I think this post sums it up pretty damn well DB. Anyone who has watched the majority of Texans games over the years at this point shouldn't be able to say with a straight face that Mario is this electrifying DE that puts on constant pressure. He doesn't do that consistently. People seem to get all enraged because he's one of the best defensive players we have on this team. Well woopity dooo! He's one of the best players on the worst defense in the league, and Mario is part of that as much as people don't want to believe. First round picks have high expectations. First picks of the draft have extremely high expectations. They get paid salaries that most players dream of, and therefore asking them to play like a complete stud isn't asking that much when you're paid to be that kind of player.

Mario's stats are pretty good if you look at just sacks, but outside of that they're not eye popping really. But it's not the sack #'s I care about as much, it's the QB hurries that make the big difference throughout a game and the constant pressure that you want to see out of a guy who is supposed to be a big time DE. Mario just doesn't give constant pressure. He does in small spurts, but disappears for to long of stretches at a time.

Take a guy like Michael Strahan. I used to love to watch that guy play. It was never about the sacks that made me value the kind of DE he was even though he got a ton of them, but it was the constant pressure he always brought and the big plays he always seemed to make when his team needed them. Strahan was a total beast for the Giants for years. His presence was always felt on the field the whole game. Mario is not that type of DE.
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I agree and the whole world knew Mario was not a constant high motor guy, I don't think its a character thing b/c Reggie White was a gentle giant off the field but on the field he was a raging beast in his play all the time. Strahan was a high motor guy but Strahan was primarily a LDE (as was Reggie White and Bruce Smith), he didnt start moving around until his later years...also don't forget Strahan has always had bonafide guys on the line with him going back to 97. They may not be household names but Robert Harris, Keith Hamilton, Chad Bratzke, Fred Robbins, Kenny Holmes, Osi, Tuck are all better than what we have put on our front. This is not excuse an on Mario's behalf, we just have to get better at the other DL positions too. We've tried it just hasn't been working.
 
playa465 said:
This is not excuse an on Mario's behalf, we just have to get better at the other DL positions too. We've tried it just hasn't been working.
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A rather damning indictment of the coaching, GM, and talent evaluation on this team given all the draft picks thrown at the D line.
 
Some of you guys are incredibly hard to please.

After game one where Mario had like 6 hurries people complained that he only had one sack and wasn't "finishing plays" or "wasn't on the level to make that play". Fast forward to now where he has 6 sacks on the season and people are now saying he isn't getting enough QB hurries.

Prior to this year somebody had a stat floating around that Mario was third in the NFL in QB huries over the past three years - behind only Jared Allen and somebody else. Not exactly sure how Mario is doing relative to these other guys this year but man if some of you are not tough to please.

You guys do realize that Peppers has two sacks on the season to date and Jared Allen has three sacks?
 
Texecutioner said:
But it's not the sack #'s I care about as much, it's the QB hurries that make the big difference throughout a game and the constant pressure that you want to see out of a guy who is supposed to be a big time DE. Mario just doesn't give constant pressure. He does in small spurts, but disappears for to long of stretches at a time.
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Hmmm, for a halfass effort guy who only plays in spurts and doesn't pressure the QB enough it sure is odd he was at the top of the league last year in QB hurries and hits.

But then last year the complaining refrain was Mario and Smith getting hurries didn't count, only sacks did.
 
JB said:
This is all true.
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No, that is not all true. He makes it seems like Strahan, Jared Allen, J Peppers, Jason Taylor, or Jason Babin is breathing down the QBs neck on every single play, & that is just not the case.
 
infantrycak said:
Hmmm, for a halfass effort guy who only plays in spurts and doesn't pressure the QB enough it sure is odd he was at the top of the league last year in QB hurries and hits.

But then last year the complaining refrain was Mario and Smith getting hurries didn't count, only sacks did.
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Excuses......

Mario needs to get better at hitting moving targets...... period.


:kitten:
 
dalemurphy said:
Let's ignore the fact that Mario Williams, though he has the talent and physique, is unable to mentally handle moving to DT on passing downs... Meanwhile, A. Smith moves all over the place, depending on the situation, and is effective wherever he is placed....

let's talk stats. Who do you think is the better player?: Dwight Freeney or Robert Mathis?

Freeney, in 2006 and 2007, had a total of 9 sacks.
RMathis, in 2006 and 2007, had a total of 16.5 sacks.

Over a 4 year period (2005-2008),

Freeney = 30 sacks
Mathis = 39.5 sacks


Stats, of course, don't tell the whole story. Regardless, though, I did not say that Mario Williams is not any good. I'm saying that, if his poor effort is not due to some serious health issues, I'm not a fan of his because I appreciate and value effort when I watch football. I'm not sure why that is so contraversial.
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Ok, you just provided your own evidence that Mario Williams is not the problem. Look how much help Freeney has on the other side of the DL in Mathis. Has Mario Ever had that kind of production on the other side? Also, these stats do not tell the whole story, as you put, because of one player that is the factor of Freeney and Mathis success, that being Peyton Manning.

Manning is the sole reason these 2, Freeney and Mathis, have the sack totals they have in the fact other teams play from behind constantly against the Colts, causing them to pass more and allowing Freeney and Mathis to pin their ears back and go after the QB. How often are the Texans so far ahead that the defense can pin their ears back and go hunting for QB? Never would be the answer...

Also, Mathis and Freeney are absolutely HORRIBLE in run defense, where Mario Williams is one of the best run stopping DE in the league as your video provided said evidence, teams don't run to Mario's side of the field...

So you cannot compare Freeney, Mathis and Mario stat wise because the deciding factor is a Hall of Fame QB on the other side of the ball putting his defensive players in a position to be successful...

Like I said before, DE is a lot more than sack numbers and people who understand the position, know this to be true...
 
BullNation4Life said:
Ok, you just provided your own evidence that Mario Williams is not the problem. Look how much help Freeney has on the other side of the DL in Mathis. Has Mario Ever had that kind of production on the other side? Also, these stats do not tell the whole story, as you put, because of one player that is the factor of Freeney and Mathis success, that being Peyton Manning.

Manning is the sole reason these 2, Freeney and Mathis, have the sack totals they have in the fact other teams play from behind constantly against the Colts, causing them to pass more and allowing Freeney and Mathis to pin their ears back and go after the QB. How often are the Texans so far ahead that the defense can pin their ears back and go hunting for QB? Never would be the answer...

Also, Mathis and Freeney are absolutely HORRIBLE in run defense, where Mario Williams is one of the best run stopping DE in the league as your video provided said evidence, teams don't run to Mario's side of the field...

So you cannot compare Freeney, Mathis and Mario stat wise because the deciding factor is a Hall of Fame QB on the other side of the ball putting his defensive players in a position to be successful...

Like I said before, DE is a lot more than sack numbers and people who understand the position, know this to be true...
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My post was in response to someone who argued that the stats do tell the whole story. He argued that Antonio Smith isn't any good because of the number of sacks he has had in his 22 games as a Texan, compared to Mario.

To your point, Mario does have a productive player with him this year... that player is Antonio Smith. Smith is taking on double teams and created pressure often. The Texans do a number of things with Smith to free up Williams. For instance, they sometimes line Smith and Williams up next to each other on 3rd down.

My question would be this?: If Mario was accumulating 13-14 sacks as a young and inexperienced player in 2007 and 2008 with a poorer offense and less help at DL, what do you attribute his dropoff in production the past season or so (if not effort)?
 
People with high natural talent, make tasks look easier to perform than
those who MUST use MAX EFFORT to achieve HALF the results of the
naturally gifted performer.

Mario is one of these people with extreme natural ability. His production
will be as high if not higher than people with not so much talent.

Put a Mathis on the other side of Mario, or a Gilbert Brown, Darrell Talley,
Osi Umenyiora, Williams Bros., THEN we can see if Mario is "doggin'" it.

From what I can see, there is not another elite-level talent on that line.
We praise Antonio Smith for his effort, but he doesn't get half the results
Mario does. Can't blame a man for having high talent. Put more high-talented
people around him.
 
DexmanC said:
People with high natural talent, make tasks look easier to perform than
those who MUST use MAX EFFORT to achieve HALF the results of the
naturally gifted performer.
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Mario certainly does make dancing at the line of scrimmage with TEs look very easy!
 
JB said:
This is all true. But there is not a team in the league that would not love to have Mario at his current contract.

It is becoming more apparant every game that Mario is not happy with the scheme.

I would like to see consistency out of him, and he is not the top DE in the league, but he is top 10.
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He'd be like #10 and maybe #9 if you went off of stats. I don't think he's top 10 though personally from watching him from game to game. He doesn't seem to bring enough constant intensity throughout an entire game.

JB said:
How effective would he be if he was playing next to a Shaun Rogers type DT?
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Well how much more effective could any DE be if they were next to a DT like Rogers? Sure Mario would be better if that were the case. But the fact is that we don't have Rogers and Mario needs to find a way to dominate and be that beast on the field that we need him to be regardless. He's being paid like that. He's driving Lamberghines around Houston and he's rich as hell off of his first contract from being the first pick of the draft. I don't think he's measured up to that. He's been good, but he hasn't been great to me.
 
Texecutioner said:
Well how much more effective could any DE be if they were next to a DT like Rogers? Sure Mario would be better if that were the case. But the fact is that we don't have Rogers and Mario needs to find a way to dominate and be that beast on the field that we need him to be regardless. He's being paid like that. He's driving Lamberghines around Houston and he's rich as hell off of his first contract from being the first pick of the draft. I don't think he's measured up to that. He's been good, but he hasn't been great to me.
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I'm a Mario fan..... I don't think he's taking plays off. I think he is a complete DE, doing exactly what he did at NC State. I don't think he's a pure pass rusher, or even a natural pass rusher, though he can rush the passer. I don't think he's got a mean bone in his body (which is not good for that position).

I understand we don't have anyone on the line that makes Mario's job easier......

But who's job does Mario make easier? One of the other should have happened putting him on the line. Either Amobi Okoye was supposed to make Mario's job easier, or Mario was supposed to make Okoye's job easier.. neither has happened.

Adding Antonio Smith to the line hasn't helped either, & I think we all agree he's above average, if not elite (I don't think he's elite).

I'm also not an Okoye hater.... I'm not a big fan, but I don't think he's as bad as he's made out to be. IMO, he does a good job getting pressure from the inside.

The way you beat the Texans, short quick passes over the middle, or with a QB who can buy time..... I don't think it's our line. Hasn't been for a while.

I'm not too upset with the Kareem pick. I wanted a cover corner, he's not a cover corner. I don't know why they are trying to fix their pass coverage issues by "making" him a cover corner.

They need to get off their heels & attack (like they did last year).
 
infantrycak said:
Hmmm, for a halfass effort guy who only plays in spurts and doesn't pressure the QB enough it sure is odd he was at the top of the league last year in QB hurries and hits.

But then last year the complaining refrain was Mario and Smith getting hurries didn't count, only sacks did.
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Where did you find these stats? I've been trying to find those QB hurries stats, and can't find them on the stats sites like ESPN and NFL.com.
 
HuttoKarl said:
Nice read....Mario and Smith are doing everything they can but when a QB can just chuck a ball up in the air and a WR is going to catch it, they just can't be effective.
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Or just step up in the pocket and create more time to throw due to zero push up the middle.
 
b0ng said:
http://www.battleredblog.com/2010/1...o-powered-through-who-played-through-the-pain

bump for relevancy.
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For continuing to put up solid pass rush numbers in the face of pain, a sieve-like defensive secondary, and a scheme that is tailor-made to get stomped on three step drops and screens, Mario Williams has earned the right to say that he has Powered Through.
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This hurts.

Have you ever wondered why QBs playing us always seem to play three step drops? It never fails, every game especially in the first Qtr, you'll see a bevy of 3 step drops. Much more than what I see against other teams.

Other games, the 3 steps are used, but they mix in a lot of other drops & packages.....

Our LBs aren't doing a damn thing in pass coverage, & it appears our DL is coached to part ways & open up like the red sea. Wouldn't be so bad if we send a defender through that gap on a delayed blitz every now & then...... but since everyone is using 3 steps to beat us..... he wouldn't get home anyway.
 
thunderkyss said:
This hurts.

Have you ever wondered why QBs playing us always seem to play three step drops? It never fails, every game especially in the first Qtr, you'll see a bevy of 3 step drops. Much more than what I see against other teams.

Other games, the 3 steps are used, but they mix in a lot of other drops & packages.....

Our LBs aren't doing a damn thing in pass coverage, & it appears our DL is coached to part ways & open up like the red sea. Wouldn't be so bad if we send a defender through that gap on a delayed blitz every now & then...... but since everyone is using 3 steps to beat us..... he wouldn't get home anyway.
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It only takes three steps for a WR to be wide open so why bother over complicating things?
 
HuttoKarl said:
Nice read....Mario and Smith are doing everything they can but when a QB can just chuck a ball up in the air and a WR is going to catch it, they just can't be effective.
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Like I said before, an will say again and again, playing the DE spot is more than accumulating sacks. If the Texans had ANY kind of push up the middle to flush the QB to one side or another, Smith and Mario would be racking up on sacks OR DTs would be when Mario and Smith flush from the side...

How do you think Jarred Allen got all those sacks last year? Williams boys where making the QB run for his life and Allen cleaned up....
 
Didn't want to start a new thread but I've been thinking about the comparisons of Mario to ware playing the rush olb spot in wades 3-4.

Personally I don't see it. I think ware plays a more athletic style than Mario. Not to say that Mario isn't athletic but I just don't see him as the guy who speeds up the qbs rhythm because he's screaming off the edge.

Despite marios measurables I think he plays slower than what they would indicate.

I am excited about wade coming in but I'm worried about this move. Not just what it means for Mario but also the role if barwin/reed on the other side.
 
Rey said:
Didn't want to start a new thread but I've been thinking about the comparisons of Mario to ware playing the rush olb spot in wades 3-4.

Personally I don't see it. I think ware plays a more athletic style than Mario. Not to say that Mario isn't athletic but I just don't see him as the guy who speeds up the qbs rhythm because he's screaming off the edge.

Despite marios measurables I think he plays slower than what they would indicate.

I am excited about wade coming in but I'm worried about this move. Not just what it means for Mario but also the role if barwin/reed on the other side.
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The Mario I saw in the first 8 games of the season will be the guy I take as a franchise player, not Ware.

I'm not concerned about his occasional drop into the curl/flat area.
I'm not concerned about the opponent running Mario's way either.

If there's anything that would make me hesitate, it would be his health issue.
 
76Texan said:
The Mario I saw in the first 8 games of the season will be the guy I take as a franchise player, not Ware.

I'm not concerned about his occasional drop into the curl/flat area.
I'm not concerned about the opponent running Mario's way either.

If there's anything that would make me hesitate, it would be his health issue.
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Good Post!
 
:goodpost:
wolf123 said:
Good Post!
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MW needs to stay healthy. When is the last season MW has been healthy for a full season.

He also needs to stop taking plays off. If he wants to play at the level Ware does. How well MW plays will relate directly to how much work he's willing to put in.

So far his college/pro career says he will have trouble living up to the hype. It's on MW to prove his detractors wrong.
 
76Texan said:
The Mario I saw in the first 8 games of the season will be the guy I take as a franchise player, not Ware.

I'm not concerned about his occasional drop into the curl/flat area.
I'm not concerned about the opponent running Mario's way either.

If there's anything that would make me hesitate, it would be his health issue.
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Considering all factors I think it'd be a tough call to make.

But I really wasn't trying to say ware over Mario. I'm just worried about Mario being consistent all year and I'm also worried about barwin and reed on the other side.
 
Rey said:
Considering all factors I think it'd be a tough call to make.

But I really wasn't trying to say ware over Mario. I'm just worried about Mario being consistent all year and I'm also worried about barwin and reed on the other side.
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Injury is always a big part of a player's career.
It's never fair to judge a player's ability when he isn't above 90%.
At the same time, a player can't help the team from the tub.
And if he's in the tub, he can't be a franchise player.

Barwin's injury is also a concern; other than that, I think he's ready to take the next step to show whether he can be a legit starter that can make some difference.

Reed, I love his lunch-pail workmanlike attitude.
Supposedly, he has some time to improve his skills.
I would be just happy to see him take turn wearing down the OT.

This front 7 (and the rest of the guys in the rotation) has a chance to be very good.

Quite a few of us love Watt; I agree.
I think he can be very good.
 
dalemurphy said:
I agree... I'll say this, also, if we had another Antonio Smith on the D-line instead of Mario Williams, we'd be better against the run and QBs would have less time to throw the ball.
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How can you possibly ascertain that? If you had 2 Smiths. you'd have the same sack production as 1 Mario and hopefully be able to contain the run and give DC's some headaches. That statement is just your emotions taking over.
 
DocBar said:
How can you possibly ascertain that? If you had 2 Smiths. you'd have the same sack production as 1 Mario and hopefully be able to contain the run and give DC's some headaches. That statement is just your emotions taking over.
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Antonio had an excellent season. He was much better than Mario in 2010. It's not an emotional statement but an honest assessment of the 2010 season. By the way, Antonio led the entire NFL in QB hits.
 
dalemurphy said:
Antonio had an excellent season. He was much better than Mario in 2010. It's not an emotional statement but an honest assessment of the 2010 season. By the way, Antonio led the entire NFL in QB hits.
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Yeah and personal penalties too I'm sure.

I don't drink the Smith Kool-aid. He wasn't anything special in Arizona and isn't anything special in Houston even though he is playing opposite one of the best DE's in the league.

Mario still had 9 sacks to Smith's 4 playing three less games and playing with only one good leg.

I'm sorry, I don't get it. I watch the games too and I see a guy in Smith who keeps showing up to the party late.
 
I haven't read a single post in this multi-page thread...

But I'm betting that dale has caught a lot of heat for this thread.

Someone tell me if it's been enjoyable or a "get your popcorn" thread. I'm betting on it being the latter, but I could be wrong too. It's been rather civil on the boards despite the tension from the lockout drama.

My opinion is this: Bob will never trade Mario. He'll retire with the Texans. So all we can do is rally behind him and root for him. If he goes off in 2011, under Wade Phillips, it's going to be fun knowing that we at least will never get tagged with the old "Texans made a bad choice drafting Mario." I think we're already there, honestly, but a great 2011-and-beyond will really cement it.

Go Mario. Go Kubiak. Go Texans. I need a meaningful season for a change, even if it means retaining Kubiak beyond 2011 because of it. Whoop!
 
GP said:
I haven't read a single post in this multi-page thread...

But I'm betting that dale has caught a lot of heat for this thread.

Someone tell me if it's been enjoyable or a "get your popcorn" thread. I'm betting on it being the latter, but I could be wrong too. It's been rather civil on the boards despite the tension from the lockout drama.

My opinion is this: Bob will never trade Mario. He'll retire with the Texans. So all we can do is rally behind him and root for him. If he goes off in 2011, under Wade Phillips, it's going to be fun knowing that we at least will never get tagged with the old "Texans made a bad choice drafting Mario." I think we're already there, honestly, but a great 2011-and-beyond will really cement it.

Go Mario. Go Kubiak. Go Texans. I need a meaningful season for a change, even if it means retaining Kubiak beyond 2011 because of it. Whoop!
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I have never criticized the Mario Williams draft pick. Never! I've been critical of the player in '09 and '10. There is plenty of hope that he will have a great season in '11 and I'll certainly be rooting for it to happen.
 
I hate when people bring up old threads because the context of the different times are soo different. I wish Rey had started a new thread, it took me 4 posts on page 1 to notice the date
 
Brandon420tx said:
I hate when people bring up old threads because the context of the different times are soo different. I wish Rey had started a new thread, it took me 4 posts on page 1 to notice the date
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I don't mind so long as it's not a "Hewhoknowshesuxbabyelephantballs" thread cus I am embarrassed of my defending it. Other than that it's entertaining to see where we stood at that moment in time.
 
dalemurphy said:
Antonio had an excellent season. He was much better than Mario in 2010. It's not an emotional statement but an honest assessment of the 2010 season. By the way, Antonio led the entire NFL in QB hits.
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I agree that Smith had a good season for us, but I just don't buy into the idea that he's better than MW. I've been plenty critical of MW on here, also.
 
DocBar said:
I agree that Smith had a good season for us, but I just don't buy into the idea that he's better than MW. I've been plenty critical of MW on here, also.
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Smith is not better than Mario. He probably has been more relentless on some plays, but he is not more talented nor more productive...
 
i need to see more than 7 plays against 1 TEAM, to agree with this. Forst off who was Antonio lining up against, 2nd Mario was there before him on 3 of the plays, 4 this thread is retarded.

My next thread will be Video of my least favorite Texan: Meet Andre Johnson.

Jacoby jones clearly outplayed AJ all season long :kubepalm:
 
EllisUnit said:
i need to see more than 7 plays against 1 TEAM, to agree with this. Forst off who was Antonio lining up against, 2nd Mario was there before him on 3 of the plays, 4 this thread is retarded.

My next thread will be Video of my least favorite Texan: Meet Andre Johnson.

Jacoby jones clearly outplayed AJ all season long :kubepalm:
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:bravo:
 
Rey said:
Smith is not better than Mario. He probably has been more relentless on some plays, but he is not more talented nor more productive...
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Smith was the better player on most plays last season. Mario was very good for much of the first month of the season. Smith was good throughout the season. I wasn't talking about potential. I'm talking production. And, for the 2010 season, Antonio Smith was the more productive DLman. Not to mention, I tend to root for high effort guys like Antonio over guys that are less consistent with their effort, like Mario has proven to be in college and in the NFL.
 
EllisUnit said:
i need to see more than 7 plays against 1 TEAM, to agree with this. Forst off who was Antonio lining up against, 2nd Mario was there before him on 3 of the plays, 4 this thread is retarded.

My next thread will be Video of my least favorite Texan: Meet Andre Johnson.

Jacoby jones clearly outplayed AJ all season long :kubepalm:
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Well, I'm not sure how that is my problem. Don't you get CBS? If you do and you are observant, you would've noticed that Antionio outplayed Mario most of last season. Your cute little analogy relating Jacoby Jones and Andre Johnson by comparison to Antonio and Mario illustrates that perhaps you don't pay attention to the games.
 
dalemurphy said:
Well, I'm not sure how that is my problem. Don't you get CBS? If you do and you are observant, you would've noticed that Antionio outplayed Mario most of last season. Your cute little analogy relating Jacoby Jones and Andre Johnson by comparison to Antonio and Mario illustrates that perhaps you don't pay attention to the games.
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I have every game on DVD thanks to DVR/DVD recorder. And all i saw on that clip was a FEW good plays against the chargers, nothing else. Mario did more hurt than Antonio did healthy.
 
dalemurphy said:
Smith was the better player on most plays last season. Mario was very good for much of the first month of the season. Smith was good throughout the season. I wasn't talking about potential. I'm talking production. And, for the 2010 season, Antonio Smith was the more productive DLman. Not to mention, I tend to root for high effort guys like Antonio over guys that are less consistent with their effort, like Mario has proven to be in college and in the NFL.
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I just don't see how you can keep saying a guy who didn't out produce Mario, even with Mario playing 3 less games and Mario had been playing hurt since training camp, out produced Mario?

Antonio Smith is an average middle of the road DE. He excels at the sound bite over Mario. I will give you that one.
 
wolf123 said:
Antonio also leads the texans in most bone headed plays each year.
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Without looking at stats, I'd put Pollard in front of Smith in bone-headed plays. I'm so happy I never got on the "knock the piss out of them" bandwagon. He was the worst DB we had this past season and considering our DB's, that's pretty bad.
 
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