Ranger Tom
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Do it now, while we still have the lead.
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Fire Frank Bush
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BullNation4Life
All Pro
I think that David Gibbs convinced Kubiak he could duplicate what he did in KC with rookie DBs
Goatcheese
Texan
You can't start a Fire XYZ thread without pink soap.
I love how our db's get bashed for the failings of the passing game. Oakland's WR's combined for 4 catches for 45 yards. It was the backs and TE's that ate us up, and that is on the linebackers. Quinn and Jackson did a very good job today.
Yeah, they got a bit of help with dropped balls, but they still did a damn good job.
Get Cushing back= check
Start Nolan = check
Sign Schobel= ? LOL
All of this = improved defense
Start Nolan = check
Sign Schobel= ? LOL
All of this = improved defense
It's been that way since Washington. Sure the WRs in those games got some big yards, but the QBs threw the ball 60 times.
Backs & TEs have been getting several hundred yards in the passing game, and that has been what is killing our passing D. & that is a group of veterans.
I liked seeing Adibi tip that ball to Nolan, then Ryans tipped the second ball to Nolan.... it's about time they got involved in the passing game, other than tackling & watching FBs score.
Diles... is not a pro-bowl Will, I don't care what Kubiak says.
Bearkat Texan
Practice Squad
I still dont see how Frank Bush think just being in zone coverage 75% of the time will work...cause it hasnt...it makes every qb we've face looked all pro...something has to change...
GP
Go Texans!
Last year, we made a big adjustment by adding Pollard.
This year, maybe the adjustment that was needed was Nolan at FS. Seems to have helped. The Raiders have big, athletic WRs and a monster TE. Oh, and don't forget the McFadden-Bush combo out of the backfield. That's 5 or 6 talented guys out there on any given play.
Nolan held his own. And it made the CBs look better.
The front four held their own. And the CBs look better.
Now we get Cushing back. I think the CBs will look a bit better next Sunday, as well.
CB might just be the hardest position to play in the NFL. You have to judge whether to stay with your man, pass him off, cut with him, run with him, stop with him, etc. One little bobble, and you're toast. Burnt toast.
3-1 without Duane Brown and Brian Cushing? I'll take it.
If we judge the season by a quarterly basis, with us just completing our first quarter (the first four games, for those of you in Rio Linda), I say 3-1 is fantastic. Especially after facing the Colts right off the bat.
If we can string together another 3-1 stretch in the 2nd quarter, that places us at 6-2 at the halfway mark. I'll take it.
This year, maybe the adjustment that was needed was Nolan at FS. Seems to have helped. The Raiders have big, athletic WRs and a monster TE. Oh, and don't forget the McFadden-Bush combo out of the backfield. That's 5 or 6 talented guys out there on any given play.
Nolan held his own. And it made the CBs look better.
The front four held their own. And the CBs look better.
Now we get Cushing back. I think the CBs will look a bit better next Sunday, as well.
CB might just be the hardest position to play in the NFL. You have to judge whether to stay with your man, pass him off, cut with him, run with him, stop with him, etc. One little bobble, and you're toast. Burnt toast.
3-1 without Duane Brown and Brian Cushing? I'll take it.
If we judge the season by a quarterly basis, with us just completing our first quarter (the first four games, for those of you in Rio Linda), I say 3-1 is fantastic. Especially after facing the Colts right off the bat.
If we can string together another 3-1 stretch in the 2nd quarter, that places us at 6-2 at the halfway mark. I'll take it.
GP
Go Texans!
My biggest gripe is that it seems the LINEBACKERS are in zone way too much.
Does it seem that way to you guys? Loco en cabeza.
I don't think it's that they are in zone "too much" more than they don't understand zone.
Passing lanes seem to hold no meaning for them. When receivers enter their zone, they don't seem to know what to do, until he catches the ball. It seems like they don't have any peripheral vision.
The two tips, by Adibi & Ryan led to INTs..... made Nolan look like a starter (albeit Wilson probably would've dropped those)... we need more of that.
Wolf
100% Texan
I didn't want to start a new thread but
I am wondering about Ray Rhodes if things keep getting worse and (I seriously doubt anything will happen) the Texans decide they need a spark in the coaching staff
If I recall he is still the defensive assistant but I don't ever hear much about him..
I am wondering about Ray Rhodes if things keep getting worse and (I seriously doubt anything will happen) the Texans decide they need a spark in the coaching staff
If I recall he is still the defensive assistant but I don't ever hear much about him..
GP
Go Texans!
Ray Ray got a bad ticker. He don't want none of that.
Theory/idea/question over.
Nice try, though
Hagar
Drink up yall, its the Texans!
I thought he still worked here. Did our defense change?
burro
probably drunk
If the defense is this bad for the entirety of the season than he needs to be let go, plain and simple. If things don't improve, we are going to have a hard time making the post season and if that doesn't happen more than just Frank Bush will be on the pink list.
That said, there is no one that we could plug in in the middle of the season that we could reasonably expect more from. So, theres no point in causing further disorientation on the defensive side of the ball by trying to transition mid season.
That said, there is no one that we could plug in in the middle of the season that we could reasonably expect more from. So, theres no point in causing further disorientation on the defensive side of the ball by trying to transition mid season.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
He should be let go today or Bush should be mandated to stop everything he has done to date, and do the opposite. This is unacceptable, the fans deserve better - especially those with more than a two hour commute to the game. 
He should be let go today or Bush should be mandated to stop everything he has done to date, and do the opposite. This is unacceptable, the fans deserve better - especially those with more than a two hour commute to the game.
To play Devils advocate, who can you get mid season to run your D?
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Not taking action blows up the accountability measure Kubiak is trying to instill. Mid season means nothing when the team is on a pace to be the worst ever.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Matt Jackson made a great point this morning regarding Frank Bush & the defense. He essentially said that the only thing that has changed from the last 8 or so games last year & this year regarding Bush & this defense is the fact that we let 2 vet cbs go...everything else is pretty much the same yet last year we finished in the top half of the defense & this year we're bottom feeders.
I only bring this up to say that at some point you've got to start blaming the players for not performing on the field. This is our 2nd d-coordinator in 3 years & we still essentially have the same problems yet everyone still wants to blame the "scheme" & the d-coordinator. there's a common denominator here & its not the coaching staff...
I only bring this up to say that at some point you've got to start blaming the players for not performing on the field. This is our 2nd d-coordinator in 3 years & we still essentially have the same problems yet everyone still wants to blame the "scheme" & the d-coordinator. there's a common denominator here & its not the coaching staff...
But, you cant hire a new DC and instal a Defense over a bye week. I know we don't have much of a scheme, but its alot to install over 2 weeks.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
We are beyond scheme at this point, where is the accountability? Hire internally, and actually send the message to the kids that Kubiak keeps harping on.
Kubiak needs to execute, pun intended.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I agree here. We had a mediocre defense last year with 2 veteran CB's.
Now it's the same scheme without those 2 guys. I agree that's the common denominator, but mediocre is way better than downright incompetent.
Where you and I differ is that the coaching staff had no hand in letting those guys go. Either Gibbs or Bush wanted a new start with the CB's. Anyone with any sense knows that you need a veteran presence at that position.
In all likelihood, this is on Gibbs for not wanting to keep those guys....which means it's on Bush....which means it's on Kubiak.
The best way to un-**** themselves is to get on the phone with Reeves this morning and sweet talk him back onto the roster. If they don't, then they deserve whatever they get.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yeah, i didn't think i would ever be clamoring to have a player like reeves back but at this point i'm willing to say that we've got to get some kind of veteran prescence back there to help out b/c KJ just isn't ready.
Plus, this is the best scenario for us seeing as though he already knows the scheme & he's a veteran guy. That would free us up to see about getting help else where............@ DT perhaps. Maybe we could put something together for Richard Seymour without giving up the farm like we'd have to do if we went after Nmandi Aso.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
Somewhere ol' Dick is laughing his ass off.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
Real close to getting neg rep there!
If the team was staring at a loosing record, there is a chance that Gary would be forced to put someone's head on a platter for media and fans.
Even then the big question comes along who is available mid-season and who on this staff do you think has what it takes to even be an interim DC?
At some point the terrible defensive play overall has to fall on someone aside from just bad play from the players, which don't get me wrong, aren't playing total lights out.
Rick, Gary, and Bush all had a hand in deciding to go so young at CB and not make a move for a legit starting FS (again).
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
KC
Offensive Co-ordinator Charlie Weis (Pretty good OC, been to superbowls)
Defensive Co-ordinator Romeo Crennel (Pretty good DC, been to superbowls)
Pretty good pedigrees, Parcells, Bellichek, four super bowl rings.
KC loss the game.
Maybe the players have more to do with it than we are giving them credit / blame for.
Offensive Co-ordinator Charlie Weis (Pretty good OC, been to superbowls)
Defensive Co-ordinator Romeo Crennel (Pretty good DC, been to superbowls)
Pretty good pedigrees, Parcells, Bellichek, four super bowl rings.
KC loss the game.
Maybe the players have more to do with it than we are giving them credit / blame for.
silvrhand
All Pro
The level of teams we are playing this year compared to last year are laughable.. How many QB's on these team are what you call stellar.. Peyton, and maybe Chad Henne? I'm throwing out NE cause he didn't even really play..
San Francisco 49ers
Buffalo Bills
Indianapolis Colts
Tennessee Titans
Indianapolis Colts
Jacksonville Jaguars
Seattle Seahawks
St. Louis Rams
Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots
Ranger Tom
All Pro
The defense was able to stop the Chiefs when they absolutely needed to, so the potential is there. But it felt like they could ONLY stop the Chiefs when they absolutely needed to. Just once, I'd like for this team to win in a blowout instead of a showstopper.
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Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
Great point. Not sure how it relates to my post.
Are you saying we don't need experienced players at CB?
If so, the 2005 season agrees with you.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
That is incorrect. Hoyer only played the last series in the first half. Then Brady came back out for the second half and Hoyer only came back into the game for the last drive of the 2nd half. The great majority of that game was played by Brady.
silvrhand
All Pro
silvrhand
All Pro
No, I'm saying that Frank Bush's scheme sucks, it's vanilla and easy to scope out wtf we are doing. We are not what I would consider an attacking defensive team. When you play quality QB's and let them sit back there 3-5 seconds unmolested and show your hand before the snap you are gonna get smoked..
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
It's the same scheme that was effective last year. I agree that it was vanilla, but it worked most of the time.
The personnel is the only thing that's changed.
There's no excuse to give up 400+ yards a game. Agreed that something will need to change in the scheme. We don't have any other choice.
silvrhand
All Pro
We didn't really play any QB's that were worth a crap last year in the second half of the year other than Manning.. Brady maybe, and Chad Henne?
Mari-OWNED!
Bucco Bruce
I remember reading somewhere that Rhodes took the job as an assistant because of health issues, and he doesn't want a major job where he has to put in countless hours of hard work in that could put stress on his body.
silvrhand
All Pro
This is correct.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Hmm could have sworn they rested their starters quite a bit during that game..
Wilfork and Kevin Faulk did not play that game but obviously Wilfork being out didn't affect Brady.
silvrhand
All Pro
I'm willing to conceded and say ok but still come on they didn't have Wes Welker either after the first quarter. Overall though the level of offensive talent teams we played last year wasn't all that hot, I mean we made David Garrad look like a good QB in week 13 as well...
I just think people have a short memory of how bad then good our defense went last year, we were very inconsistent, and there wasn't much good in the first 4 weeks either..
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Firing Frank Bush right now fixes nothing so there's not much point in doing that. We are who we are for the remainder of the season and then we need to look at what this year looks like in total and make a decision. If we're a lousy defense all year long then Frank should be shown the door. The Texans are either serious about this stuff or they're not. Running a coaching staff where almost nobody on the staff has ever held the level of responsibility they currently hold prior to this job is.... well it's 31st or 32nd place.
We go about this DC crap all wrong. A number of very good defensive minds have become available in the time it's taken us to figure out that Gary Kubiak doesn't know **** about picking himself a DC. We all talk about how "This guy runs a 3-4 so he's off the table" or "He'll want to bring in his own players so no... best stand pat" but if we'd gone out and hired a proven DC to begin with and then let him go get the players he needed to run said system all this change we seem to dread would be over by now.
We go about this DC crap all wrong. A number of very good defensive minds have become available in the time it's taken us to figure out that Gary Kubiak doesn't know **** about picking himself a DC. We all talk about how "This guy runs a 3-4 so he's off the table" or "He'll want to bring in his own players so no... best stand pat" but if we'd gone out and hired a proven DC to begin with and then let him go get the players he needed to run said system all this change we seem to dread would be over by now.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
why this guy got hired is still a mystery to me....
but whatever, we are 4-2 and with the impending lockout, coaching moves will be tough to do this offseason much less in-season. The defense just isn't NFL-caliber. Everything about our defense sucks except Smith has really come along as a competitor and Okoye/Williams, though invisible at times, both have had their moments. No one fears us, that is for sure.
And that sucks because once people know your defense sucks, they start doing things like going for it on 4th down all the time and playing with loads of confidence.
As for Bush's performance, no one needs to say anything. It speaks for itself.
you can pull a guy off the street to play QB against the Kubiak-era defenses and they will have a career day and look like Dan freaking Marino. It's getting old and both his DCs have been bottom of the barrel and cheap. Maybe we should try and get someone with a proven record that can actually coach.
This all being said, the defense has made enough plays to help us get to 4-2, and that is something. Hopefully they can turn it around.
but whatever, we are 4-2 and with the impending lockout, coaching moves will be tough to do this offseason much less in-season. The defense just isn't NFL-caliber. Everything about our defense sucks except Smith has really come along as a competitor and Okoye/Williams, though invisible at times, both have had their moments. No one fears us, that is for sure.
And that sucks because once people know your defense sucks, they start doing things like going for it on 4th down all the time and playing with loads of confidence.
As for Bush's performance, no one needs to say anything. It speaks for itself.
you can pull a guy off the street to play QB against the Kubiak-era defenses and they will have a career day and look like Dan freaking Marino. It's getting old and both his DCs have been bottom of the barrel and cheap. Maybe we should try and get someone with a proven record that can actually coach.
This all being said, the defense has made enough plays to help us get to 4-2, and that is something. Hopefully they can turn it around.
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
Kubiak, RS, nor Daddy Bob will fire anyone during the season, so, posts like this are pointless. JMO. BUT, leads to interesting discussion.
Kubiak decided during the off season to STICK with a young, inexperienced secondary, and Kubiak being Kubiak, he will not budge. I have heard him say TOOOOO many times that he believes in them, and he will not change anything. The only thing that will make a difference of some type, might not be better, is if someone gets hurt. Personally, I don't want that to happen. KJ seems to be getting better, and Nolan has been a plus. Pollard can't do it all by himself. The rest are just to damn lazy IMHO and don't hussle enough. Losing Meco in the LB core just might have a positive effect on our D. MAYBE those young dudes won't depend so much on the vets up front to do the job for them. I can't comment much on schemes and that sort of thing, but, I can comment on attitude, and I think most of our D has a lousy attitude. Sometimes I think our secondary has that "wait and see" attitude. Let's just wait and see what Mario, Cush, AS, and Meco do before we make a move. That's a coaching problem IMHO and needs to be fixed. Truthfully, some of those guys are still in the "college" mode, and they need to SNAP out of it. JMO!!
Kubiak decided during the off season to STICK with a young, inexperienced secondary, and Kubiak being Kubiak, he will not budge. I have heard him say TOOOOO many times that he believes in them, and he will not change anything. The only thing that will make a difference of some type, might not be better, is if someone gets hurt. Personally, I don't want that to happen. KJ seems to be getting better, and Nolan has been a plus. Pollard can't do it all by himself. The rest are just to damn lazy IMHO and don't hussle enough. Losing Meco in the LB core just might have a positive effect on our D. MAYBE those young dudes won't depend so much on the vets up front to do the job for them. I can't comment much on schemes and that sort of thing, but, I can comment on attitude, and I think most of our D has a lousy attitude. Sometimes I think our secondary has that "wait and see" attitude. Let's just wait and see what Mario, Cush, AS, and Meco do before we make a move. That's a coaching problem IMHO and needs to be fixed. Truthfully, some of those guys are still in the "college" mode, and they need to SNAP out of it. JMO!!
