Big 12 should extend invitations to Boise State & TCU

[IDEXAN]

Of course this is wishful thinking on my part, even though it would be the way the conference could restore some credibilty and the competitive-level
and national respect from its peers.
The problem of course is what it always is - UT doesn't want to be challenged by any other teams(s), with the exception of Oklahoma and who knows how long they stay in the Big 12 ? UT got Nebraska out (BTW, the Cornhuskers are going to cream UT in Lincoln this fall - they want them like Tennessee wants USC/Kiffin in Knoxville). UT "thrives" on those schedules that start with Rice, would wouldn't ?

 

[MojoMan]

That would mean playing on a blue football field during away games in Idaho.

Also, Idaho is a geographically undesirable location for most of the schools in the Big 12.

However, if these objections can be managed, then I think adding these two teams would be a great idea.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Boise State is already going to the Mountain West. There are rumors that Conference USA will merge with the Mountain West and make a 16 team conference. Not sure yet how they get 16 doing that, but I'm assuming a few teams are going to be left out.

 

[IDEXAN]

That would mean playing on a blue football field during away games in Idaho.

Also, Idaho is a geographically undesirable location for most of the schools in the Big 12.

However, if these objections can be managed, then I think adding these two teams would be a great idea.

The plane ride from Austin or College Station to Boise would be maybe 60-75 minutes longer than to Boulder or Ames or Lincoln. And Boise is not in the mountains, it's high desert with less snow than Boulder, Ames, & Lincoln. So there shouldn't really be any geographical issues.
Can't help you with the blue field though and I know plety of people don't like it, but personally I do.

 

[Blake]

Personally I dont think Texas OU or anyone else wants to add 2 really tough opponents like TCU or Boise because that hurts their BCS chances. Not to mention TCU would be getting more Dallas tallent that would normally go to OU or Texas if TCU were in the Big 12.

The blue field just needs to go. Awful awful awful.

 

[Dan B.]

Of course this is wishful thinking on my part, even though it would be the way the conference could restore some credibilty and the competitive-level
and national respect from its peers.
The problem of course is what it always is - UT doesn't want to be challenged by any other teams(s), with the exception of Oklahoma and who knows how long they stay in the Big 12 ? UT got Nebraska out (BTW, the Cornhuskers are going to cream UT in Lincoln this fall - they want them like Tennessee wants USC/Kiffin in Knoxville). UT "thrives" on those schedules that start with Rice, would wouldn't ?

Lolz Nebraska left. UT didn't force them to go anywhere. They didn't hold a gun to Osborne's head and make him pay the Longhorns money. Nebraska got tired of getting their ass kicked every year, so they ditched schools they have been associated with for over a century and scampered off to be OSU's ***** instead. Good riddance.

BTW UT has been consistently adding quality non conference opponents, such as Notre Dame, BYU, UCLA, and others.

No way NU beats UT. Not without Suh. I don't care how pumped they are or how bad they want UT -- every team is pumped to play Texas. Nebraska has been pumped every time they played Texas for the last 20 years. They're still 1-8 against em.

 

[Stemp]

Lolz Nebraska left. UT didn't force them to go anywhere. They didn't hold a gun to Osborne's head and make him pay the Longhorns money. Nebraska got tired of getting their ass kicked every year, so they ditched schools they have been associated with for over a century and scampered off to be OSU's ***** instead. Good riddance.

BTW UT has been consistently adding quality non conference opponents, such as Notre Dame, BYU, UCLA, and others.

No way NU beats UT. Not without Suh. I don't care how pumped they are or how bad they want UT -- every team is pumped to play Texas. Nebraska has been pumped every time they played Texas for the last 20 years. They're still 1-8 against em.

UCLA? Seriously? This is football, not basketball. This is the same UCLA that went 7-6, 6-7, 4-8, and 7-6 the last 4 years. Are you seriously bragging about "quality" opponents and using UCLA as an exmple?

NU, and CU left because of the disparity in the Big XII and the arrogance of Texas. Same reason Mizzou and it's St. Louis TV market will bolt if/when the Big 10 invites ND and Mizzou and why A&M wants to go to the SEC. OU would also bail on the Big XII if it could rid itself of Ok. St. It can't, so it let tu get the OSU a place in the PAC 10.

 

[Hookem Horns]

Idaho State? No, I don't even recognize them as a real team because of that dreadful blue field. If they are on TV and playing at home I always turn the channel. Yes, I hate that thing that bad. It doesn't even look like real football. No thank you.

I can live with TCU and I would prefer to see Houston in the Big 12.

 

[Dan B.]

UCLA? Seriously? This is football, not basketball. This is the same UCLA that went 7-6, 6-7, 4-8, and 7-6 the last 4 years. Are you seriously bragging about "quality" opponents and using UCLA as an exmple?

They are a major school from a quality conference (that kicked the snot out of defending Rose Bowl representative OU in that 7-6 year, right?) They are unquestionably better than Rice (as are Notre Dame and BYU), thus it is should obviously follow that UT is not loading their schedule with sub par programs like Rice. They just finished a home and home with Ohio State for crying out loud. Every single major school schedules weak OOC. If you don't think non conference schedule that includes Notre Dame, BYU, UCLA, and some other school in a given year beats 90% of the non conference schedules in this country, you need to take a closer look at who schools schedule.

NU, and CU left because of the disparity in the Big XII and the arrogance of Texas. Same reason Mizzou and it's St. Louis TV market will bolt if/when the Big 10 invites ND and Mizzou and why A&M wants to go to the SEC. OU would also bail on the Big XII if it could rid itself of Ok. St. It can't, so it let tu get the OSU a place in the PAC 10.

Umm Nebraska voted for that disparity and was a beneficiary of it. How did it cause them to leave? Unless you are talking about Nebraska allowing partial qualifiers or holding the CCG in Dallas, when they were the only school in the conference to vote the way they did. It wasn't just UT. They are just the big scapegoat that whiny programs like to blame when they can't accept their own bad coaching hires and poor decisions. It was Nebraska losing votes 11-1 and getting humiliated by UT on the field to top it off.

And A&M doesn't want to go to the SEC. A&M FANS do. Big difference. If A&M wanted to go, they allegedly had an invite. Just like Nebraska, A&M voted for the same economic disparity they are decrying, they benefited from it, and are still doing so, in fact.

 

[IDEXAN]

BTW UT has been consistently adding quality non conference opponents, such as Notre Dame, BYU, UCLA, and others.
No way NU beats UT.

BTW I see they open up this season playing that Sunbelt monster of the gridiron down in H-Town, the Rice Owls. And that's your idea of a "quality non conference opponent" ?
And up in Lincoln, the clocks only got 60 minutes on 'em.

 

[IDEXAN]

Idaho State? No, I don't even recognize them as a real team because of that dreadful blue field. If they are on TV and playing at home I always turn the channel. Yes, I hate that thing that bad. It doesn't even look like real football. No thank you.

I can live with TCU and I would prefer to see Houston in the Big 12.

Idaho State ? Hey man, that's downright hurtful !
But the thing is you gatta see that blue-field in person. It's a thing of beauty !

 

[Dan B.]

BTW I see they open up this season playing that Sunbelt monster of the gridiron down in H-Town, the Rice Owls. And that's your idea of a "quality non conference opponent" ?

In their opening games:

Florida plays Miami. The one in Ohio, not the one in Florida.
Alabama plays San Jose State
OSU plays Marshall
Oklahoma plays Utah State, not Utah.
Nebraska plays Western Kentucky
A&M plays SFA, and will probably lose

Rice will probably be better than any of these opponents. What was your point again?

And up in Lincoln, the clocks only got 60 minutes on 'em.

Yeah for some reason Nebraska fans didn't used to mind when referees actually paid attention to the clock:

Aided by a kickoff out of bounds, FSU took over with excellent field position at their own 35 yard line. FSU's Heisman trophy winning quarterback Charlie Ward drove the Seminoles all the way to the Nebraska 3 yard line. The Huskers held and forced Bentley to kick his fourth field goal of the night, which was good, and FSU led 18-16 with just 21 seconds remaining.

Florida State players and coaches went wild on the sidelines, and were penalized for excessive celebration, costing them 15 yards on the ensuing kickoff. As a result, the Huskers were able to get a decent return and began their final possession at their own 43 yard line.

As time ran down, Frazier hit tight end Trumaine Bell for a 29 yard gain to the FSU 28 yard line. The clock ticked down to 0:00, setting off more chaos on the FSU sideline, complete with the compulsory Gatorade bath given to FSU coach Bobby Bowden.

However, referee John Soffey ruled that Bell was down with 1 second left on the clock, and ordered the field cleared, allowing Nebraska placekicker Byron Bennett an opportunity to kick the game winning field goal. But the 45 yard kick sailed wide left, preserving the 18-16 win for the Seminoles.

Yet again they demand that they be held to a different standard than everyone else. The only difference in the 1994 Orange Bowl and the Big 12 Championship was that Texas can hit a kick in the clutch while Nebraska couldn't. In both cases the refs made the correct call. The ball went out of bounds (or the player was down) with a second left. This is staggeringly obvious -- just watch the video.

Sorry, but displaced anger because a referee did what referees are supposed to do does not automatically mean your team will win the next game. They can get as upset about the right call being made all they want. It was still the right call.

 

[Stemp]

Umm Nebraska voted for that disparity and was a beneficiary of it. How did it cause them to leave? Unless you are talking about Nebraska allowing partial qualifiers or holding the CCG in Dallas, when they were the only school in the conference to vote the way they did. It wasn't just UT. They are just the big scapegoat that whiny programs like to blame when they can't accept their own bad coaching hires and poor decisions. It was Nebraska losing votes 11-1 and getting humiliated by UT on the field to top it off.

The disparity is in influence and revenue sharing. Texas was/is the big moneymaking program in the Big 12. As a result, they can pretty much do whatever they want and can get most of the South schools to go along. Why do you think Texas negotiated the PAC 10 agreement for 5 schools and then was shocked when A&M decided to look in the SEC and threatened to blackball them.

And A&M doesn't want to go to the SEC. A&M FANS do. Big difference. If A&M wanted to go, they allegedly had an invite.

A&M still has an invite, but it also has threats from Texas to blackball them and from the state legislature to pull state funding if they moved (which is ridiculous, but whatever). Bill Byrne doesn't want to move. The Board of Regents were in favor till Perry made it known he'd prefer to Texas and A&M to stick together and they complied. The major donors at A&M have made it very clear that if something doesn't change in the next 3-4 years, then they will be upset and pull their donations (yes, it's that serious).

The Big 12 is still very close to collapsing if another major conference makes a bold move. ESPN and FoxSports have promised increased payouts (but nothing in writing) to prevent them from having to renegotiate with an expanded SEC and Big 10, but if a major move is made, Beebe will be out of job.

 

[Dutchrudder]

In their opening games:

Florida plays Miami. The one in Ohio, not the one in Florida.
Alabama plays San Jose State
OSU plays Marshall
Oklahoma plays Utah State, not Utah.
Nebraska plays Western Kentucky
A&M plays SFA, and will probably lose

Hey now, we aren't that bad. I'd bet good money or good beer the Aggies win that game!

 

[Dan B.]

The disparity is in influence and revenue sharing. Texas was/is the big moneymaking program in the Big 12. As a result, they can pretty much do whatever they want and can get most of the South schools to go along. Why do you think Texas negotiated the PAC 10 agreement for 5 schools and then was shocked when A&M decided to look in the SEC and threatened to blackball them.

Well, that's what I am talking about. A&M and Nebraska both voted for a disparity in revenue sharing. It's like the Cubs or Red Sox bitching about the Yankees having too large of a payroll. You serious Clark?

A&M still has an invite, but it also has threats from Texas to blackball them and from the state legislature to pull state funding if they moved (which is ridiculous, but whatever). Bill Byrne doesn't want to move. The Board of Regents were in favor till Perry made it known he'd prefer to Texas and A&M to stick together and they complied. The major donors at A&M have made it very clear that if something doesn't change in the next 3-4 years, then they will be upset and pull their donations (yes, it's that serious).

The Big 12 is still very close to collapsing if another major conference makes a bold move. ESPN and FoxSports have promised increased payouts (but nothing in writing) to prevent them from having to renegotiate with an expanded SEC and Big 10, but if a major move is made, Beebe will be out of job.

See, I guess I'm just strange. I value tradition and history in college sports. I think that wherever UT or A&M goes they should stick together, just like OU and OSU or KU and KSU. UT will have their down years. When they do, games against OU and A&M will still mean something. Will Nebraska versus Purdue or Northwestern resonate the same way when the Huskers are going through a mediocre season?

Would have thought an Aggie especially would feel the same way.

 

[Dan B.]

Hey now, we aren't that bad. I'd bet good money or good beer the Aggies win that game!

Just needling Stemp. A&M might eke out a 3 point victory or so. Hopefully it's not on a last second FG or a bunch of bandwagon conspiracy theorists will claim the refs handed it to A&M.

Better watch out next year if that happens. SFA will be mighty upset, and might topple the Ags if they run into each other again. After all, we all know that emotional frustration is way more important than top 3 recruiting classes every year when it comes to winning football games.

All Nebraska managed to do in the offseason was lose one of the greatest D Lineman in CFB history. They took a step back and are not a top 10 team this year IMO. I think Muschamp's defense will score almost as many points as Nebraska's offense in that game. They were absolutely horrible offensively last year, and they didn't improve.

 

[IDEXAN]

What was your point again?

And TCU opens vs Oregon State and BSU @ Virginia Tech, which are both quality opponents, while Rice isn't. That's my point. Again !

 

[Stemp]

See, I guess I'm just strange. I value tradition and history in college sports. I think that wherever UT or A&M goes they should stick together, just like OU and OSU or KU and KSU. UT will have their down years. When they do, games against OU and A&M will still mean something. Will Nebraska versus Purdue or Northwestern resonate the same way when the Huskers are going through a mediocre season?

Would have thought an Aggie especially would feel the same way.

I think A&M is in a place where they need to go their own way. No matter how good A&M is and how bad Texas is, A&M has been seen as the "little brother". Just look back at the 80's. Plus, there is a LOT of money to be made by both schools for annual out of conference games between them instead of being under the conference TV contract, especially in football and basketball. Plus, I think Texas would prefer to be a Big fish in a smaller pond.

Honestly, I see the Big 10 inviting ND and Mizzou to start this off. Then A&M bolts to the SEC, unless the legislature ties them together in the next session. If OU can shake lose of OSU, they go to the SEC as well. Texas then goes to either the PAC 10 or wrangles an invite from the Big 10 as well. If they go PAC 10 they drag along Texas Tech and possibly OSU. All the rest will get picked up by mid-major conferences, which will suck for KU because of their basketball tradition.

 

[Dan B.]

And TCU opens vs Oregon State and BSU @ Virginia Tech, which are both quality opponents, while Rice isn't. That's my point. Again !

Holy Lord look at Boise State's entire schedule. VT is the only decent team they play:

Virginia Tech
@Wyoming
Oregon State
@ New Mexico State
Toledo
@San Jose State
Louisiana Tech
Hawaii
@Idaho
Fresno State
@ Nevada
Utah State

I'm thinking their schedule will be below UT's next year.

Fun fact -- out of Bama, Florida, and UT, Texas had the strongest strength of schedule last year

 

[Stemp]

Just needling Stemp. A&M might eke out a 3 point victory or so. Hopefully it's not on a last second FG or a bunch of bandwagon conspiracy theorists will claim the refs handed it to A&M.

Better watch out next year if that happens. SFA will be mighty upset, and might topple the Ags if they run into each other again. After all, we all know that emotional frustration is way more important than top 3 recruiting classes every year when it comes to winning football games.

All Nebraska managed to do in the offseason was lose one of the greatest D Lineman in CFB history. They took a step back and are not a top 10 team this year IMO. I think Muschamp's defense will score almost as many points as Nebraska's offense in that game. They were absolutely horrible offensively last year, and they didn't improve.

I think NU is down as well, but Texas lost a lot of weapons as well and has a QB played well in the NC game but lost his receivers and much of his OL. Tech is going to lose games they should win and win a game or 2 they should lose. The Big 12 is really a mystery this year with no clear front-runner. It SHOULD be A&M with Johnson making a run at the Heisman, but the defensive is still a questions mark with a new DC.

 

[Dan B.]

I think A&M is in a place where they need to go their own way. No matter how good A&M is and how bad Texas is, A&M has been seen as the "little brother". Just look back at the 80's. Plus, there is a LOT of money to be made by both schools for annual out of conference games between them instead of being under the conference TV contract, especially in football and basketball. Plus, I think Texas would prefer to be a Big fish in a smaller pond.

Honestly, I see the Big 10 inviting ND and Mizzou to start this off. Then A&M bolts to the SEC, unless the legislature ties them together in the next session. If OU can shake lose of OSU, they go to the SEC as well. Texas then goes to either the PAC 10 or wrangles an invite from the Big 10 as well. If they go PAC 10 they drag along Texas Tech and possibly OSU. All the rest will get picked up by mid-major conferences, which will suck for KU because of their basketball tradition.

I don't know that Notre Dame will ever go to the Big 10. They want their independence. They don't want to have to subsidize 8-10 other programs. Going to the Big 10 is a no brainer for Nebraska (even if they have to flip flop on their long held stance wrt revenue sharing to do so). They make more money. It's not so simple for Notre Dame. The Irish would be bringing more to the table. They have a lot more clout.

I agree that the SEC will not be the conference to start expansion off. They are happy with the status quo, because they are the biggest dog. If the Big 10 or someone does try to go mega conference, than the SEC will react how they have to to stop it. Honestly I think that was their intent wrt A&M. They didn't want A&M -- they wanted to stop the Pac 10 from owning every state west of the Mississippi.

 

[Stemp]

I don't know that Notre Dame will ever go to the Big 10. They want their independence. They don't want to have to subsidize 8-10 other programs. Going to the Big 10 is a no brainer for Nebraska (even if they have to flip flop on their long held stance wrt revenue sharing to do so). They make more money. It's not so simple for Notre Dame. The Irish would be bringing more to the table. They have a lot more clout.

Except that ND makes less being an independent than a Big 10 school does. Independence at this point only make sense for keeping tradition. Joining the Big 10 would make it a financial juggernaut and ND would still be seen on TV sets nationwide.

 

[Dan B.]

I think NU is down as well, but Texas lost a lot of weapons as well and has a QB played well in the NC game but lost his receivers and much of his OL. Tech is going to lose games they should win and win a game or 2 they should lose. The Big 12 is really a mystery this year with no clear front-runner. It SHOULD be A&M with Johnson making a run at the Heisman, but the defensive is still a questions mark with a new DC.

Oh, I think UT is overrated as well. Their OL will be bad, but it has been for years now. They will lose at least 2 games, and I am pretty much certain one of them will be OU. They might be a top 10 team, but more likely 10-15. Top 5 is way too high for them IMO.

I think OU wins the Big 12. I agree that there are a few other dangerous teams, but A&M isn't one of them IMO. I think they could win 5 of their first 6 or so, because they start off with a very soft schedule. But the end of the season is just brutal. They'll be 7-5 or 8-4 at the absolute best. Hello, Alamo Bowl!

 

[Dan B.]

Except that ND makes less being an independent than a Big 10 school does. Independence at this point only make sense for keeping tradition. Joining the Big 10 would make it a financial juggernaut and ND would still be seen on TV sets nationwide.

Wait till their contract is up. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if BYU outearns individual Big 10 teams in the near future. They have total control of their own network on Dish with a worldwide reach. All those missions are going to reap a nice profit. Imagine what Notre Dame would earn if the Vatican literally owned the school.

 

[Tailgate]

Oh, I think UT is overrated as well. Their OL will be bad, but it has been for years now. They will lose at least 2 games, and I am pretty much certain one of them will be OU. They might be a top 10 team, but more likely 10-15. Top 5 is way too high for them IMO.

I think OU wins the Big 12. I agree that there are a few other dangerous teams, but A&M isn't one of them IMO. I think they could win 5 of their first 6 or so, because they start off with a very soft schedule. But the end of the season is just brutal. They'll be 7-5 or 8-4 at the absolute best. Hello, Alamo Bowl!

OU lost 4 first rounders, 3 of the first 5 picks in the draft. Mack has already stated that this could be the best Defense the Horns have had in his tenure. I think its wide open and very difficult to pick a winner.

 

[Hookem Horns]

Holy Lord look at Boise State's entire schedule. VT is the only decent team they play:

Virginia Tech
@Wyoming
Oregon State
@ New Mexico State
Toledo
@San Jose State
Louisiana Tech
Hawaii
@Idaho
Fresno State
@ Nevada
Utah State

I'm thinking their schedule will be below UT's next year.

Don't overlook Toledo, you can never count out a UT team.

 

[ESAD2-14]

NU, and CU left because of the disparity in the Big XII and the arrogance of Texas. Same reason Mizzou and it's St. Louis TV market will bolt if/when the Big 10 invites ND and Mizzou and why A&M wants to go to the SEC. OU would also bail on the Big XII if it could rid itself of Ok. St. It can't, so it let tu get the OSU a place in the PAC 10.

Nebraska took it's toys and went to play with the other kids. They sure did not seem to mind the Big XII when they were dominating in the late 90's and 2000 and 2001. Solich went a paltry 7-7 then followed that up with a 9-3 record and promptly got fired, as that was not up to the standards envisioned by NU. After that they have not been anywhere near as competitive as they once were. Perhaps they pulled the trigger to early on Frank?
The Huskers were way more competitive under him then they have been for the last 8 years. Using UT and the disparity between the North and South divisions as a reason for leaving the Big XII is not a good argument for NU. CU may have a better argument in that regard, as they had their best days before they joined the Big XII. Right now the balance of power is in the South, there was a time when it absolutely belonged to the North Division. The Huskers did not seem to mind the Big XII to much at that time.

 

[IDEXAN]

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Boise State
4. Oregon
5. Texas
6. Florida
7. TCU
8. Iowa
9. Nebraska
10. Wisconsin
11. Georgia Tech
12. Southern California
13. Penn State
14. Virginia Tech
15. Miami FL
16. Oklahoma
17. Oregon State
18. Cincinnati
19. North Carolina
20. Arkansas
21. Louisiana State
22. Utah
23. Florida State
24. West Virginia
25. Georgia
http://www.nationalchamps.net/2010/earlybird/index.htm
&&
With BSU & TCU in the Big 12, the conference has a legit argument that
they're comparble to the best, the SEC. Without them, there's only 1 Big 12 team in the top 15 and the conference is way behind the SEC, PAC 10, Big 10, ACC, and perhaps others. Without an infusion of new blood and talent the Big 12 will soon be on lifesupport as it's only a matter of time before the
Missouris, OKlahomas, & A&M bolt. It's no fun and there's no future living with a tyrant.

 

[Tailgate]

Nebraska took it's toys and went to play with the other kids. They sure did not seem to mind the Big XII when they were dominating in the late 90's and 2000 and 2001. Solich went a paltry 7-7 then followed that up with a 9-3 record and promptly got fired, as that was not up to the standards envisioned by NU. After that they have not been anywhere near as competitive as they once were. Perhaps they pulled the trigger to early on Frank?
The Huskers were way more competitive under him then they have been for the last 8 years. Using UT and the disparity between the North and South divisions as a reason for leaving the Big XII is not a good argument for NU. CU may have a better argument in that regard, as they had their best days before they joined the Big XII. Right now the balance of power is in the South, there was a time when it absolutely belonged to the North Division. The Huskers did not seem to mind the Big XII to much at that time.

Exactly, the disparity was Nebraska's own fault. They couldnt dominate the Big 12 North? Really? They were supposed to be the big boys in the North and didnt hold their end of the bargain up. And they leave because of disparity?

 

[Dan B.]

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Boise State
4. Oregon
5. Texas
6. Florida
7. TCU
8. Iowa
9. Nebraska
10. Wisconsin
11. Georgia Tech
12. Southern California
13. Penn State
14. Virginia Tech
15. Miami FL
16. Oklahoma
17. Oregon State
18. Cincinnati
19. North Carolina
20. Arkansas
21. Louisiana State
22. Utah
23. Florida State
24. West Virginia
25. Georgia
http://www.nationalchamps.net/2010/earlybird/index.htm
&&
With BSU & TCU in the Big 12, the conference has a legit argument that
they're comparble to the best, the SEC.

No. No, they don't. The SEC is still better.

Without them, there's only 1 Big 12 team in the top 15 and the conference is way behind the SEC, PAC 10, Big 10, ACC, and perhaps others. Without an infusion of new blood and talent the Big 12 will soon be on lifesupport as it's only a matter of time before the
Missouris, OKlahomas, & A&M bolt. It's no fun and there's no future living with a tyrant.

This is Texas. Teams get infusions of new talent all the time. That's how Missouri and OSU were able to get to the big time, on Texas players like Chase Daniel and Dez Bryant.

2 years ago 3 of the top 6 teams in the nation were in the Big 12 (UT, OU, and TTU). You really and truly think that every other program in the Big 12 other than Texas is doomed?

Funny how BSU went to the "new and improved" MWC (minus Utah and BYU), but it's Texas who is the only good program in a weak conference. Baylor would be the third best team in the sorry MWC these days.

By the way the Pac 10 is gonna be awful too. Of the only two top programs in the conference, one lost their QB and the other lost their coach and went on probation.

 

[Texan_Bill]

That would mean playing on a blue football field during away games in Idaho.

Also, Idaho is a geographically undesirable location for most of the schools in the Big 12.

However, if these objections can be managed, then I think adding these two teams would be a great idea.

NOPE!! Can't do the Blue Field thing. I don't mind watching Boise play... as long as they're playing on the road.

 

[eriadoc]

The blue field really is just awful. And I've been told it grows on you, but then, so does fungus.

 

[Stemp]

TCU and Boise St. bring no new markets to the Big 12 so it would just be taking money out of the current teams' pockets.

 

[HoustonFrog]

TCU and Boise St. bring no new markets to the Big 12 so it would just be taking money out of the current teams' pockets.

How is Dallas/FW not a new market? You can say that UT and others already have alot of the Texas market but if you are looking at specific schools in that area that bring that interest, etc then TCU is a new market.

 

[IDEXAN]

TCU and Boise St. bring no new markets to the Big 12 so it would just be taking money out of the current teams' pockets.

I think the FTW/Arlington area alone is > 1 million, and besides are there really any other serious college football programs in North Texas besides TCU ? It seems that TCU should be able to deliver quite a few fans.
And BSU could bring 1.5 million fans, oh wait that's the whole states population. Well BSU is probably the most popular team in the state, and then the Big 12 would get the bragging rights of being the conference with that beautiful blue field.

 

[ATXtexanfan]

TCU is a market already owned by OU and UT. big 12 hopes to one day snag ND and that is worth waiting for over TCU. arkansas is the other school the big 12 would prefer.

 

[IDEXAN]

Any doubt now who is best team in the Big 12 ? I don't think so and we know they are going to be in the Big 10 soon, leaving both TCU and Boise State as probably better than the next best team in the Big 12, whoever that is ?
Poor ole Texas seems to struggle against anybody they play, include that
powerhouse in H-Town, the Rice Owls.
Time to extend those invittions before they get a better offer elswhere, otherwise there may be no top tier teams in the Big 12.

 

[mr. peebs]

Big 12 is dead in a few years anyways. A&M and OU go SEC, UT-Austin goes independent with Pac - 10 for everything other than football.

 

[BigBull17]

TCU and Boise St. bring no new markets to the Big 12 so it would just be taking money out of the current teams' pockets.

They would also be a threat to actually beat UT. No can do. UT would only play them if they could insure that they come to Austin. Can't do that if they play in the Lil 12.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Big 12 is dead in a few years anyways. A&M and OU go SEC, UT-Austin goes independent with Pac - 10 for everything other than football.

I think this will more than likely be the outcome in 2015 or so. I'm fine with it too.

 

[IDEXAN]

Big 12 is dead in a few years anyways. A&M and OU go SEC, UT-Austin goes independent with Pac - 10 for everything other than football.

Definitely a scenario with some real probability of occuring. UT could play in Texas in front of the familys of their players with a schedule composed of teams like Rice, Sam Houston, North Texas at Denton, etc. and finish with an unbeated or 1 loss season and get a BCS invitation. Apparently that's what UT fans really want, not an honest schedule with real woth competition but a phoney-balaoney W-L record.

 

[Dan B.]

Definitely a scenario with some real probability of occuring. UT could play in Texas in front of the familys of their players with a schedule composed of teams like Rice, Sam Houston, North Texas at Denton, etc. and finish with an unbeated or 1 loss season and get a BCS invitation. Apparently that's what UT fans really want, not an honest schedule with real woth competition but a phoney-balaoney W-L record.

Not like those Broncos, playing the biggest teams every week. Wouldn't be shocked if big bad Nevada knocks y'all off (I think you beat OSU this week). Hey, at least UT is actually playing Nebraska this year. The Huskers tried to schedule Boise, but BSU demanded a million dollar extortion to do it, which kinda shows how hollow their "we'll play anyone, any time" bs really is.

Course after your one last real game you get to get pumped for the likes of New Mexico State, Toledo, and San Jose State while UT plays OU, Nebraska, and UCLA. Hmm I wonder whose SoS will be higher at the end of October?

Careful throwing around comments about weak schedules. There's a pretty good chance that when the rankings come out at the end of the year Boise won't have played a single ranked team. You gave up 30 to a team that barely scored half that in a loss against I-AA competition. No matter what shakes down UT is certain to have played 2 teams (OU and Nebraska) better than anyone Boise faces all year.

 

[Dan B.]

test post. I think I broke TTalk again.

 

[IDEXAN]

Not like those Broncos, playing the biggest teams every week. Wouldn't be shocked if big bad Nevada knocks y'all off (I think you beat OSU this week). Hey, at least UT is actually playing Nebraska this year. The Huskers tried to schedule Boise, but BSU demanded a million dollar extortion to do it, which kinda shows how hollow their "we'll play anyone, any time" bs really is.

Texas has it's schedule because that's what it chose, it's be design. And I guarantee you that BSU or TCU would jump at the chance to play them on the road, home, or at a neutral site. But BSU and TCU can't get the competition. UT is too busy avoiding serious competition except what it has play in it's own conference.
Please give me more details, a link or whatever about the chance that Boise had to play Nebraska ?

 

[Stemp]

It's not like Boise St. was negotiated and came with a huge number.
They just know that a game they play against a good and/or ranked BCS opponent will bring in a ton of media and publicity and want their fair share of the revenue.

As the great debate continues to rage over which automatic qualifying schools are turning Boise State, Lincoln Journal Star columnist Steve Sipple put to rest any notion that Nebraska could be the Broncos huckleberry in 2011.

Nebraska does have an open date on Sept. 3, 2011, the same date that’s open for the Broncos, but as Sipple writes in his blog, the Huskers already have games against Fresno State, Washington and Wyoming scheduled that season. It’s unlikely that the Huskers would add a likely ranked Boise State team to that mix. It wouldn’t be smart scheduling.

Besides, the Huskers might not be able to pony up the kind of guarantee that Boise State is requesting. Athletic director Gene Bleymaier said that $900,000 to $1 million would be a fair market price for guarantee game with Boise State. According to the Florida Atlantic and Louisiana-Lafayette athletic departments, the Huskers shelled out just $650,000 and $700,000 respectively to play those teams this year. Nebraska won both games handily.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/12690/nebraska-not-likely-to-add-boise-state-in-2011

 

[IDEXAN]

Besides, the Huskers might not be able to pony up the kind of guarantee that Boise State is requesting. Athletic director Gene Bleymaier said that $900,000 to $1 million would be a fair market price for guarantee game with Boise State. According to the Florida Atlantic and Louisiana-Lafayette athletic departments, the Huskers shelled out just $650,000 and $700,000 respectively to play those teams this year.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thanks for the reference Stemp. The other poster made it as if BSU was trying to avoid a confrontation on the field vs the Cornhuskers, while the
info you've provided seems more like a reasonable request for fair value by Boise ? Is not a highly ranked Boise a substantially more impressive and more worthy opponent than a team like LA at Lafayette ?
The simple truth is Boise is dealing from a position of weakness compared to legendary gridiron powerhouses like the 'Huskers or Horns.

 

[Dan B.]

Sure, and 10 years ago they paid Boise 800k too. Boise invested those payouts wisely and CLAIMS to field an elite CFB team.

Elite teams don't need million dolly checks cut to play someone. Texas didn't demand their fair share of game revenue from games scheduled in Columbus South Bend.

BTW you should take a peek at future OOC schedules for UT and BSU. Texas scheduled Notre Dame, USC, BYU, Arky, and Cal in the next few years. Meanwhile BSU has managed to scare up a home and home against Toledo.

 

[IDEXAN]

BTW you should take a peek at future OOC schedules for UT and BSU. Texas scheduled Notre Dame, USC, BYU, Arky, and Cal in the next few years. Meanwhile BSU has managed to scare up a home and home against Toledo.

Boise State can only dream about scheduling the likes of ND, USC, and yes Texas, while UT can schedule anybody it wants to. But usually it chooses to run and hide from real competition like new conferences members in the PAC 10.
But the last time I checked the Broncos did OK against big-time competition.
Last year vs TCU ? NP. The Fiesta bowl vs Oklahoma ? NP.
Hey coach don't be afraid, just put 'em in the game, they'll make you proud !

 

[Blake]

Boise State can only dream about scheduling the likes of ND, USC, and yes Texas, while UT can schedule anybody it wants to. But usually it chooses to run and hide from real competition like new conferences members in the PAC 10.

Thats right. Boise is powerless to schedule decent opponents. Its everyone elses fault!

But the last time I checked the Broncos did OK against big-time competition.
Last year vs TCU ? NP. The Fiesta bowl vs Oklahoma ? NP.
Hey coach don't be afraid, just put 'em in the game, they'll make you proud !

How did Boise fair against those bohemoths i 07? Hawaii? Washington? East Carolina?

Oh thats right. They lost.

And TCU in 2008? How did that game go?


Boise State is a decent team. There is no denying that. But when you only schedule 2 quality opponents a year, it makes it easy to run the table. And I am being generous calling VT a quality opponent after last week. Pathetic.

 

[Stemp]

Elite teams don't need million dolly checks cut to play someone. Texas didn't demand their fair share of game revenue from games scheduled in Columbus South Bend.
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That's because Texas makes $20M a year being on TV and in a BCS conference. Boise State doesn't. Money doesn't make you elite, but it sure helps.