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Mack Brown: If Bush loses Heisman, give it to Young

My mom was an Aggie fan
My Dad was a UT fan
and **** LSU

So I became a USC fan, even before Pistol Pete made them relevant again.
 
The1ApplePie said:
My mom was an Aggie fan
My Dad was a UT fan
and **** LSU

So I became a USC fan, even before Pistol Pete made them relevant again.
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Really? Really?? Really???

There is only one Pistol Pete, and he had nothing to do with USC!
 
MojoMan said:
Here are the lyrics to the Aggie Fight Song, with the portions that refer to the University of Texas bolded below:



As you can see, it is only about half of the song that refers to the University of Texas.

There is also apparently a group dance that goes with this song as well.
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"Only half", 'eh? :shades:

I'm sure this is a song that has history to it, most likely well before my time. I like the tradition, but just found it surreal to be surrounded by tens of thousands of Aggies proclaiming their hatred toward UT. My buddy (a TT fan that hates UT) never knew this about ATM, as well.

Great 12th man atmosphere, though. I wish the Texans could muster up something like that, but of course, winning comes first with pro teams. The Kyle Field atmosphere reminded me of the Luv Ya Blue days at the Astrodome. Very energetic and fun to witness. I'd like to go to another game again. I can only imagine the craziness when they play UT.
 
Texecutioner said:
It's totally an inferiority complex that has existed since way before I was ever born. You can totally see it in Pollardized's posts. Personally I've never hated the Aggies and I root for them most of the time if they're not playing Texas or TT. I actually root for most Texas teams. I root for TCU some as well.

But when some little troll from A&M comes along trying to bash Texas and starts trying to shovel sniveling remarks about the school or the team in general, I always just get a good kick out of it honestly. Texas is so head and shoulders above what A&M will ever be, that their fans and Alumni can't help but to "live to hate" UT. It's a certain bitterness that just won't ever go away. But to Longhorns fans, it's a joke really. It's like watching your drunk neighbor who can't ever behave that can barely stand up wandering over into your yard and bitching and cursing at you because he wasn't invited to your house party where he holds a grudge against you and your other guests. Lol! You just get a kick out of him for a minute or so and then you kick him back over to his own lawn where he belongs.
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tex you have truly captued the rivalry there! Here's the way it is for me: I did not attend A&M, but I am a fan of the school and the tradition. I hope my kids go there one day. When I lived in College Station while working in a Texas Department of Criminal Justice prison unit in Navasota, I hated Aggies. It was just too in-your-face all the time. Years later, while living in the small central Texas town of Holland, I found myself surrounded by all these longhorn fans who lived and breathed burnt orange. They would literally fight over the longhorns. Problem was most of them couldn't spell longhorn without looking at their shirt. It was worse than living in College Station. I became friends with, and coached baseball with, a guy who went to Tarleton State, part of the A&M system. He bled maroon. He turned me on to the traditions of A&M, and how it was so much more than a football game that matters. I became a fan and a follower. We named our baseball team "Aggies" and forced people who loved TU to wear maroon to support their kids team. Some parents refused to let their kids play because we were the only team in that age group, and they would not let their kids wear maroon. It was hilarious. just like coming on here and getting a rise out of longhorn fans. They have a good school, but I would prefer my kids go some place where pot smoking, cross dressing hippies were the exception, not the norm. It's just personal preference. No offense meant to you or any other longhorn. I just get a kick out of the crap talking.
 
I attended A&M, and have many tu friends, including one former starting QB of the Longhorns. I never get into arguments or debates with a one of them about our school loyaties. When football season comes around, I take their goading with a smile on my face, and I pay my debts for bets on a team that has no hope!

In my part of Texas, I find most asshats that are fans of the teasips usually didn't attend the school anyway, and are merely bandwagon mullets that jump from winner to winner.

You'll usually find they are also Cowboy fans when they are winning as well :)

As for any disparaging remarks about being an Aggie, I take it all in stride. You'll find most Ag's are quite cordial, have a good sense of humor, and lack that false sense of self importance many wannabe teasip fans seem to possess.

A winning football team doesn't make YOU a winner, you didn't play a single down, you were just a spectator :)

As for the posters in this thread, ya know I love ya, I read your stuff daily, and I value your NFL knowledge, as for your loyalties away from the Texans? I could care less, but lets not allow that to interfere with what we do have in common.

GO TEXANS!
 
Bush should return the trophy, but his name should remain with an asterisk, and explanation IMO. He already reaped the benefits of the award, you can't take away those. However, historical record, with his name in infamy, should restore integrity and provide a proper, perpetual legacy for Bush as it pertains to his time in the NCAA.

He did not deserve or earn the award in the spirit of amateur athletics, but he has earned to have his name highlighted as a cheater.
 
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Bush should return the trophy, but his name should remain with an asterisk, and explanation IMO. He already reaped the benefits of the award, you can't take away those. However, historical record, with his name in infamy, should restore integrity and provide a proper, perpetual legacy for Bush as it pertains to his time in the NCAA.

He did not deserve or earn the award in the spirit of amateur athletics, but he has earned to have his name highlighted as a cheater.
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I like that idea!
 
Pollardized said:
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tex you have truly captued the rivalry there! Here's the way it is for me: I did not attend A&M, but I am a fan of the school and the tradition. I hope my kids go there one day. When I lived in College Station while working in a Texas Department of Criminal Justice prison unit in Navasota, I hated Aggies. It was just too in-your-face all the time. Years later, while living in the small central Texas town of Holland, I found myself surrounded by all these longhorn fans who lived and breathed burnt orange. They would literally fight over the longhorns. Problem was most of them couldn't spell longhorn without looking at their shirt. It was worse than living in College Station. I became friends with, and coached baseball with, a guy who went to Tarleton State, part of the A&M system. He bled maroon. He turned me on to the traditions of A&M, and how it was so much more than a football game that matters. I became a fan and a follower. We named our baseball team "Aggies" and forced people who loved TU to wear maroon to support their kids team. Some parents refused to let their kids play because we were the only team in that age group, and they would not let their kids wear maroon. It was hilarious. just like coming on here and getting a rise out of longhorn fans. They have a good school, but I would prefer my kids go some place where pot smoking, cross dressing hippies were the exception, not the norm. It's just personal preference. No offense meant to you or any other longhorn. I just get a kick out of the crap talking.
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Like I said before, I've never had a complex against Aggies and I root for them when they're not playing against Texas or TT. I like all three teams honestly, because they're Texas. I've never understood the hate that certain UT and Aggie fans have against one another especially now when A&M isn't even really competing with them. Aggie is competing more with Baylor at this point as far as football goes. They're both Texas schools so I support them and I wish that A&M would eventually get back on track to being a power house one day. That would be really neat.

As far as what you did to those parents man, that was kind of messed up but very funny though. Lol! I could see certain parents making a big deal out of that. I wouldn't care personally because I wouldn't associate it with the Aggies.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Yea because if he had thrown it to him it would have gotten intercepted.


Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was the 'disgruntled ole miss fan' thread.
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What do Ole Miss fans have to be upset about? You got Misoli, you just started off your season with an easy pummeling of a I-AA team... Oh wait. Yeah, go ahead and be disgruntled.
 
Pollardized said:
Now this is funny I don't care who you are:

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7072399/

Go horns! lmao :hurrah:
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That had a few funny lines in it. I like some of those videos I've seen people make with those.

And what's with this ridiculous notion that you have to have attended a school to root for them? So now only students or ex students can root for a college team? That is the dumbest thing I hear certain fans try to throw out there. That's no different than saying that myself, Gary, or Double Barrell are band wagoners for rooting for the Houston Texans since we never played for them at one point. That's always been a very weak concept to me. Oh, you didn't go to school there so how can you root for them? It's the state of Texas and it's a football team playing in a league. Everyone doesn't even go to college. That doesn't mean that you can't be a die hard fan of a college program that represents your home state.
 
I didn't go to A&M but I am still a big fan. I don't buy into having had to attend the college, but the people who go around calling them "MY LONGHORNS" or "MY AGGIES", wearing nothing but their clothes, dressing their kids in their colors all the time, that gets a little over board if you aren't an alum. Seems to me the biggest longhorn talkers didn't go there, but maybe drove through austin once or twice. I could almost stop disliking tu, but then I see vince young and start hating them again.
 
Texecutioner said:
That had a few funny lines in it. I like some of those videos I've seen people make with those.

And what's with this ridiculous notion that you have to have attended a school to root for them? So now only students or ex students can root for a college team? That is the dumbest thing I hear certain fans try to throw out there. That's no different than saying that myself, Gary, or Double Barrell are band wagoners for rooting for the Houston Texans since we never played for them at one point. That's always been a very weak concept to me. Oh, you didn't go to school there so how can you root for them? It's the state of Texas and it's a football team playing in a league. Everyone doesn't even go to college. That doesn't mean that you can't be a die hard fan of a college program that represents your home state.
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Well, it's sort of like living in Houston your whole life but rooting for the Dallas Cowboys or New York Yankees. :zipit:

I think the problem is the arrogance that some bandwagon fans display about their chosen teams to root for. And yes, it is a bandwagon to root for a school you never attended or a sports team in a city that you've never visited, much less lived in.

That being said, I don't have a problem with any of it. Root for who you want to root for, but I wish folks would tone down the "we" bit. No, not "we", you didn't play the game. You watched the game. :winky:

I think the modern sports fan (including myself) is channeling the tribal (i.e. nationalism) instinct that humans have possessed as a survival skill from the beginning of our species, but I'm not a sociologist, I just play one on the internets. :thinking:
 
Double Barrel said:
Well, it's sort of like living in Houston your whole life but rooting for the Dallas Cowboys or New York Yankees. :zipit:

I think the problem is the arrogance that some bandwagon fans display about their chosen teams to root for. And yes, it is a bandwagon to root for a school you never attended or a sports team in a city that you've never visited, much less lived in.
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No, I think this is ridiculous. You root for whomever you want to root for and you don't have to belong to that city either. I find that notion to be just as ridiculous. Hell, half the fans on this site are a bunch of band wagoners by that notion. GP is not from Houston and is an Amarillo resident and has followed Houston teams for most of his life and is a dedicated Texan fan. That does not make him a band wagoner. A band wagoner is someone who jumps from team to team and roots for whomever is the best team or waits to see who is the best team and jumps behind a winner. And another thing is that Texas does not belong to Austin. It's not Austin University. It's Texas University and it has to have a city that it resides in which just happens to be Austin. Some dipstick from Austin doesn't have any more of a right to root for Texas than a guy from Lufkin does. That same principal would go towards a guy who happens to live in College station as well. That's not "their team." It's Texas A&M. It's not Bryan A&M. They are state schools and hell a lot of people become fans of certain schools or teams from the moment they know what football is because of what their parents make them root for just like in my case which was all Houston teams and the Longhorns because half my family did go there.
 
Dan B. said:
What do Ole Miss fans have to be upset about? You got Misoli, you just started off your season with an easy pummeling of a I-AA team... Oh wait. Yeah, go ahead and be disgruntled.
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Ole Miss has plenty to be upset about:


They lost v. Jacksonville State
 
Texecutioner said:
No, I think this is ridiculous. You root for whomever you want to root for and you don't have to belong to that city either. I find that notion to be just as ridiculous. Hell, half the fans on this site are a bunch of band wagoners by that notion. GP is not from Houston and is an Amarillo resident and has followed Houston teams for most of his life and is a dedicated Texan fan. That does not make him a band wagoner. A band wagoner is someone who jumps from team to team and roots for whomever is the best team or waits to see who is the best team and jumps behind a winner. And another thing is that Texas does not belong to Austin. It's not Austin University. It's Texas University and it has to have a city that it resides in which just happens to be Austin. Some dipstick from Austin doesn't have any more of a right to root for Texas than a guy from Lufkin does. That same principal would go towards a guy who happens to live in College station as well. That's not "their team." It's Texas A&M. It's not Bryan A&M. They are state schools and hell a lot of people become fans of certain schools or teams from the moment they know what football is because of what their parents make them root for just like in my case which was all Houston teams and the Longhorns because half my family did go there.
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wow, touched a nerve. Well, "ridiculous" is a matter of perception, I suppose. Bandwagon can be many things to different folks, but the common definition is rooting for a successful team because they are a successful team. Yeah, people jump on and off and back on the bandwagon, but why is that? Success. You don't find many Texas Tech fans among people who didn't go to that school. But hey, they have TEXAS in their name, right? So they obviously represent the entire freakin' state. yeeeah. :ok:

I find lifelong Houstonians rooting for the Cowboys to be a bit ridiculous. But, if that's your nature, whatever floats your boat, man.

And this is a different scenario than GP from Amarillo, simply because they do not have a pro football team. Whoah, simple concept there.

I do not see anyone as superior or inferior because of a sports team affiliation. It's all just diversionary entertainment at the end of the day. Nothing more and nothing less.
 
Texecutioner said:
And another thing is that Texas does not belong to Austin. It's not Austin University. It's Texas University and it has to have a city that it resides in which just happens to be Austin.
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I do not want to quibble, but the actual name of the school is:

The University of Texas

That may look a bit odd to the uninitiated, but a true, devout, maroon-blooded Aggie will understand what I am getting at here.

:stirpot:
 
Double Barrel said:
wow, touched a nerve. Well, "ridiculous" is a matter of perception, I suppose. Bandwagon can be many things to different folks, but the common definition is rooting for a successful team because they are a successful team. Yeah, people jump on and off and back on the bandwagon, but why is that? Success. You don't find many Texas Tech fans among people who didn't go to that school. But hey, they have TEXAS in their name, right? So they obviously represent the entire freakin' state. yeeeah. :ok:

I find lifelong Houstonians rooting for the Cowboys to be a bit ridiculous. But, if that's your nature, whatever floats your boat, man.
And this is a different scenario than GP from Amarillo, simply because they do not have a pro football team. Whoah, simple concept there.

I do not see anyone as superior or inferior because of a sports team affiliation. It's all just diversionary entertainment at the end of the day. Nothing more and nothing less.
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I was raised sicne birth to be a Cowboys fan, as my parents were.

Seriously, was I going to cheer for the Oilers as a kid? Hurray for Ray Childress and... who?

I've been a Boys fan all my life, even though the reign of Dave Campo.

I am a Texans fan as well. Have an NFC team and an AFC team.
 
Double Barrel said:
wow, touched a nerve. Well, "ridiculous" is a matter of perception, I suppose. Bandwagon can be many things to different folks, but the common definition is rooting for a successful team because they are a successful team. Yeah, people jump on and off and back on the bandwagon, but why is that? Success. You don't find many Texas Tech fans among people who didn't go to that school. But hey, they have TEXAS in their name, right? So they obviously represent the entire freakin' state. yeeeah. :ok:
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College sports is completely different than pro sports. People root for college teams for all sorts of reasons. And for the record I do root for TT as my 2nd team in the BIG 12 and when A&M is playing other schools outside of Texas or TT I'll normally root for them as well. I also was a Cowboys fan as my 2nd NFL team way back in the day when Landry was around. Once Jerry bought the team, my entire family refused to root for them with Jerry as an owner. That's keeping your strongest loyalties to Texas teams. But for college sports my entire family bleeds Orange. They always have and we always will whether they're in Austin or anywhere else.







Double Barrel said:
I do not see anyone as superior or inferior because of a sports team affiliation. It's all just diversionary entertainment at the end of the day. Nothing more and nothing less.
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I don't either. They are just teams that you follow and support.
 
Bandwagon/T-Shirt fans are a necessary evil. Would any UH fan really be that upset if a bunch of bandwagoners hopped on and they sold out every game and turned game days into events at sports bars around town? Even if the people cheering for them weren't UH grads?
 
The1ApplePie said:
I was raised sicne birth to be a Cowboys fan, as my parents were.

Seriously, was I going to cheer for the Oilers as a kid? Hurray for Ray Childress and... who?

I've been a Boys fan all my life, even though the reign of Dave Campo.

I am a Texans fan as well. Have an NFC team and an AFC team.
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Well, then you come from a long line of bandwagon fans. Congrats. ;)

BTW, I'm only kidding. I used to tell this to one of my best friends all the time...before he switched teams from the Cowboys to the Texans.

Ask yourself if the roles of the Cowboys and Oilers were reversed, would you not have rooted for the Oilers? Again, it's all about scoreboard at the end of the day.

Texecutioner said:
College sports is completely different than pro sports.
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Really? It's all sports. People like to root for winners, especially teams that win consistently and have championship pedigrees.

People don't root for UT because they have a great engineering or business programs. They root because they are winners in football.

I see absolutely no reason to start rooting for the Longhorns at 43 years old. I don't fault anyone that does choose it, but I do not feel compelled to do so. Yeah, I'll "root" for them when they play USC in a championship game, but really, what is rooting? I don't buy any of their gear and do not feel any affiliation just because they have Texas in the name.

Dan B. said:
Bandwagon/T-Shirt fans are a necessary evil. Would any UH fan really be that upset if a bunch of bandwagoners hopped on and they sold out every game and turned game days into events at sports bars around town? Even if the people cheering for them weren't UH grads?
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I honestly don't care (re: being upset or not), but UH would have to be a consistently successful program for that to ever happen. Success is the primary reason why anyone would jump on a bandwagon.
 
Double Barrel said:
I see absolutely no reason to start rooting for the Longhorns at 43 years old. I don't fault anyone that does choose it, but I do not feel compelled to do so. Yeah, I'll "root" for them when they play USC in a championship game, but really, what is rooting? I don't buy any of their gear and do not feel any affiliation just because they have Texas in the name.
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A lot of people root for Texas because it's Texas. I understand that you could care less about that from what you just wrote, but many people do care about that. It's the same reason why tons of people root for Michigan who live somewhere in Michigan or why someone would root for Iowa that lives there. That's there home state and naturally most fans are going to root for the biggest school there that gets covered more often especially if they're new to the sport. My grandfather was a big time Texas Alum and took us to the Texas versus Texas A&M games every year as a kid around Thanksgiving until he had a stroke. I loved going to those games as a kid and feeling the different type of intensity than the games in the NFL even though nothing was better to me a child than The House Of Pain in the dome in the Luv Ya Blue days when Mike Rozier was running over guys and Drew Hill was tearing it up.

And you seem to forget that Texas wasn't just some powerhouse for a long time and had many down years especially during the Mackovich and Mcwilliams era. Texas was very inconsistent and was hardly a powerhouse. Mack Brown turned the program around completely and built it into what it is today, so it's not like Texas has just been this easy team to jump on a bandwagon of for the longest time. I remember rooting for some awful Longhorns teams that drove you nuts.
 
Double Barrel said:
Root for who you want to root for, but I wish folks would tone down the "we" bit. No, not "we", you didn't play the game. You watched the game. :winky:
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I quit using "we" on November 16, 1995. Since then I have come to find it silly as well.
 
:soapbox: Ahem. Dreadford Headdington III aka Dread-Head here. Recently I received Negative Rep on this thread because I pointed out that Mack Brown convinced a friend of mine's brother (who played for him) to change his major from Engineering to Broadcast Journalism because he was "definitely" going to the NFL. I stand by what I said...and I don't GIVE A DUCK! :chicken: Quack... Yes...I KNOW that's a chicken.
 
Texecutioner said:
And another thing is that Texas does not belong to Austin. It's not Austin University. It's Texas University and it has to have a city that it resides in which just happens to be Austin.
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MojoMan said:
I do not want to quibble, but the actual name of the school is:

The University of Texas

That may look a bit odd to the uninitiated, but a true, devout, maroon-blooded Aggie will understand what I am getting at here.

:stirpot:
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Uhhh...

Its actually University of Texas at Austin.

I didnt even go there and I know that.

Of course, most the UT fans didnt go there either, so who could fault them for not knowing the name of the school...
 
TheDrifter said:
Uhhh...

Its actually University of Texas at Austin.

I didnt even go there and I know that.

Of course, most the UT fans didnt go there either, so who could fault them for not knowing the name of the school...
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Yep. I'm attending the University of Texas at El Paso. I always get funny looks when I refer to the UT as UTA. My wife got her undergrad there and I really wanted to go as well, didn't get to as when I met her she was living in Dallas. It was either try to get into UT or possibly UTSA or move to Dallas to be closer. I chose closer.

Far as Aggie fans go chirping about their clean program, one name: Jackie Sherrill. Look it up.
 
Goldensilence said:
Yep. I'm attending the University of Texas at El Paso. I always get funny looks when I refer to the UT as UTA. My wife got her undergrad there and I really wanted to go as well, didn't get to as when I met her she was living in Dallas. It was either try to get into UT or possibly UTSA or move to Dallas to be closer. I chose closer.

Far as Aggie fans go chirping about their clean program, one name: Jackie Sherrill. Look it up.
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There's already a UTA. In Arlington. That's probably part of the reason they look confused.
 
Texecutioner said:
And you seem to forget that Texas wasn't just some powerhouse for a long time and had many down years especially during the Mackovich and Mcwilliams era. Texas was very inconsistent and was hardly a powerhouse. Mack Brown turned the program around completely and built it into what it is today, so it's not like Texas has just been this easy team to jump on a bandwagon of for the longest time. I remember rooting for some awful Longhorns teams that drove you nuts.
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Plus, college football's lopsided economic structure is even more screwed up and extreme than Major League Baseball's, with the increased emphasis on conference affiliation, TV revenues and the courts taking the TV rights away from the NCAA and to the teams and/or conferences. I believe we are in an era now where the current large and elite programs will *always* be that way because of economic and TV exposure advantages, much like the Yankees always dominate. And I don't think that's good for the sport. In some ways this "amateur" sport looks more blatantly capitalist than the NFL.
 
After being previously reported that Vince Young didnt want the Heisman if Reggie was stripped of it, now he wants it.




On Monday morning, during an interview with Hannah Storm on ESPN's Sports Center, Young said he wouldn't turn it down if the former Southern Cal running back lost the Heisman.

"I definitely want it, I definitely want it,'' said Young, who was runner-up for the Heisman that year, when he guided Texas to the national championship. "But he won it fair and square definitely, and it's much respect to Reggie, man. He had a great career and he's already won a Super Bowl before me. I'm already mad about that.

"But at the same time I am definitely happy for him, man, and he is definitely the Heisman Trophy winner for that year. But if they send it over to me I am not going to say no to it.''
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Texecutioner said:
And you seem to forget that Texas wasn't just some powerhouse for a long time and had many down years especially during the Mackovich and Mcwilliams era. Texas was very inconsistent and was hardly a powerhouse. Mack Brown turned the program around completely and built it into what it is today, so it's not like Texas has just been this easy team to jump on a bandwagon of for the longest time. I remember rooting for some awful Longhorns teams that drove you nuts.
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As of the end of the 2009 season, the Longhorns' all-time record is 845-318-33 (.720). Only the University of Michigan has won more games and a greater percentage of games played than Texas... Wiki

Every team has lean years, but overall, it is painfully clear that UT has been a winning football school for many, many years.

I don't fault anyone for picking them to root for. I did as a kid because #34 went there, and he was a superhero to me. I just lost interest in college ball as I got older so it's no big deal.

TD said:
I quit using "we" on November 16, 1995. Since then I have come to find it silly as well.
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It's a Seinfeld thing, I suppose.

kastofsna said:
it's just easier to say it this way.
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Yeah, I know, but I like poking it with a stick sometimes.
 
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