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Saints-Texans: GP's things he witnessed
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I'm not totally against the idea that the Texans were working on something specific, but the thing that troubles me the most was our poor run defense on our first defensive series.
That's really the thing that bothered me most from the game. I can see a ton of reasons/excuses for the overall poor performance, but I just didn't like how we looked on that first drive.
Granted, if we were playing a real game the defense might have settled down...Still, you cannot ever come out and get pushed around like that and claim that you are an attacking 'all hells gonna break loose when we take the field' defense.
It's not even about settling down. If you have access to some of our games last season, watch how we play the run. On those stretch plays, the DL moves with the OL, it looks as if they are being manhandled, yet Cushing, Diles, Demeco, or Pollard slices into the backfield and drops the RB. I think it's more about not getting pushed 5 or 6 yards back, which they still weren't doing Saturday. The LOS stayed pretty much the same,
Again, with the cutting LBs & Safeties. Demeco isn't going to get beaten on a regular basis. There is no way I'm going to believe an offensive line is going to be able to stop all 4 of our run stoppers (not counting Mario) consistently. Yes, they are the Super Bowl Champs, but we've played some running teams that were better than them, we played some that were as good as them, and we basically shut them down.
If this was a regular season game, the focus would have been to stop the run, and things would have been totally different.
Second Honeymoon
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some people think preseason means nothing
some people think preseason means something
one thing is for sure. the Texans looked like crap and no amount of excuses or rationalizing will change that
GP, I agree with you, but there is no use trying to talk sense into someone who won't even come to terms with their team playing like ass. They are too busy mining for excuses to be reasonable and objective. It is still preseason but I have heard that since Day One of this franchise. Remember how bad we looked in 2005 preseason and the party line was 'its just preseason' 'we aren't showing any of our packages' and 'we aren't gameplanning'...sound familiar??....well, we all know what happened that season, dont we.
some people just won't criticize the team and its play until the season is already over (which is around Halloween for Texans fans). There was plenty to criticize from Saturday nights matchup, but its gonna fall on deaf ears with most of the homers err fans around here. They live, breathe, eat, and crap Kubiak-style football, so don't waste your time. Every year these same people claim the Texans have turned the corner and start talking playoffs only to meet failure after failure....then its Draft Talk time. It's no wonder that some of the best dialogue happens re: draft talk. We have had a lot of practice.
Even last year, some of these guys don't blame the Texans for their crap record and their crap performance and their annual failure to reach postseason. In fact, they blame the Colts and Bengals for not showing up against the Jets. Yeah, its the Colts and Bengals fault. Real fans will realize that we didn't show up against the Jets either, and THAT is why we didn't make the playoffs. If I hear another homer err fan whine about the Jets 'backing' into the playoffs, I might go ballistic. The Jets got to the AFC Championship game (2 playoff wins) with a rookie head coach and a rookie QB. Give them some credit and stop making excuses for piss poor results and start taking responsibility for being outplayed, outcoached, and outmanned on a consistent basis. But at least we can beat the Rams when it counts. How about that 'huge' Seahawks win? Every time we face a good team with something to play for, we get rolled. Thats Kubiak for you though. Never met a big game he couldn't lose.
some people think preseason means something
one thing is for sure. the Texans looked like crap and no amount of excuses or rationalizing will change that
GP, I agree with you, but there is no use trying to talk sense into someone who won't even come to terms with their team playing like ass. They are too busy mining for excuses to be reasonable and objective. It is still preseason but I have heard that since Day One of this franchise. Remember how bad we looked in 2005 preseason and the party line was 'its just preseason' 'we aren't showing any of our packages' and 'we aren't gameplanning'...sound familiar??....well, we all know what happened that season, dont we.
some people just won't criticize the team and its play until the season is already over (which is around Halloween for Texans fans). There was plenty to criticize from Saturday nights matchup, but its gonna fall on deaf ears with most of the homers err fans around here. They live, breathe, eat, and crap Kubiak-style football, so don't waste your time. Every year these same people claim the Texans have turned the corner and start talking playoffs only to meet failure after failure....then its Draft Talk time. It's no wonder that some of the best dialogue happens re: draft talk. We have had a lot of practice.
Even last year, some of these guys don't blame the Texans for their crap record and their crap performance and their annual failure to reach postseason. In fact, they blame the Colts and Bengals for not showing up against the Jets. Yeah, its the Colts and Bengals fault. Real fans will realize that we didn't show up against the Jets either, and THAT is why we didn't make the playoffs. If I hear another homer err fan whine about the Jets 'backing' into the playoffs, I might go ballistic. The Jets got to the AFC Championship game (2 playoff wins) with a rookie head coach and a rookie QB. Give them some credit and stop making excuses for piss poor results and start taking responsibility for being outplayed, outcoached, and outmanned on a consistent basis. But at least we can beat the Rams when it counts. How about that 'huge' Seahawks win? Every time we face a good team with something to play for, we get rolled. Thats Kubiak for you though. Never met a big game he couldn't lose.
I understand what the preseason means. Winning or losing in the preseason is what means nothing.
yes, they looked like crap.
Have I denied that even once?
Okay, here is my deal.
If you watched that game, you would have seen that we did not play it the same way we normally play. Our LBs didn't play down hill, Mario was playing over the top, Where was Bernard Pollard? Where was Cushing?
So that tells me, we weren't out there to try to stop the other team. We weren't out there to win that game.
What they were doing exactly, I don't know.
None of that excuses any of the missed tackles.
But since we weren't trying to stop the run, we must have been working on something else.
Maybe stopping the pass.
We didn't look too good against the pass either, so who knows?
Are you suggesting the team would play better if more of us focused on the negatives?
!!!Whew!!! for a minute there, I thought you were talking about me. I've never blamed the Colts or the Bengals for any of that. I blame our coach, and our players in equal parts.
See I was thinking a real fan would have watched that game, and instead of talking about coming out flat, and lacking fire, they would have recognized 15 of Thomas Jones' 19 carries were for 3 yards or less. 42% of his carries were for less than a yard. That's intensity brother, no matter how you slice it.
And, that is after looking just as pathetic (did I just say that?) in the preseason 2009.
Well, you see the Jets backed into the play-offs.
That's not an excuse for why the Texans didn't make the play-offs, that's evidence that the Jets aren't as good as people think they are. Good, but not as good as everybody thinks they are.
The Pencil Neck
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It's OK to have an opinion on something where there is no right or wrong, but in some cases, there are facts that show that the opinion is wrong.
You said the guys came out looking like they weren't trying and were dogging it. But that's something that you can actually look at and in some ways quantify.
You can think the guys were dogging it all you want but that's something you can actually verify by looking at the freaking tape. But you don't seem to care about facts.
So put me back on your ignore list if you don't want to hear things that show you that you've got a bunch of baseless opinions.
DexmanC
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By making DAMN sure the Texans couldn't score the ball,
nor could they get off the field on 3rd down. Stat's schmat.
They couldn't make the plays during clutch time.
By shellacking the Texans they had what they needed to make
post season. The were good enough to advance to the AFC Championship
from the wild card position, with a rookie head coach and rookie quarterback.
They also signed an aging runningback the Texans brass passed on.
You want to come back to the conversation? You're starting to venture off into left field.
The stats were provided in the context of coming out flat, and not being prepared to play. This thread is about defense. The stats I provided show the Texans defense came to play, and played quite well on a majority of running plays, despite how poor they looked in the preseason games 2009.
This is really a discussion for another thread.
Mr teX
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Dude, there's critiquing & then there's what you do...criticize & hate b/c you never have anything good or meaningful to say when you post. It's always "get rid of this person..." " change that" "this person sucks.." half the time you're not even making a good case or are just flat out wrong like that whole "Bob Mcnair is cheap" garbage you were spewing a while back. Like now...you're talking about our 2005 preseason & how that led into our dismal 2005 record all the while completely ignoring how little talent we had on this team at that time & also the change in regime. Besides, who really uses a preseason from 5 years ago to predict what's going to happen in the current regular season? that's just flat out asinine. At least GP can be objective, you just flat don't...
even when you are clearly wrong & confronted with evidence to the contrary.Now, I don't think anyone in this forum thinks the texans played great against the saints last saturday by any stretch of the imagination; far from it in fact But to act like there was absolutely nothing positive that came out of it is just not true. Pencil neck or someone else laid out all the things to be positive about. I guess when your, bent on an agenda, it's hard to see what's right in front of you.
Second Honeymoon
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tkyss,
my previous post wasn't aimed at you whatsoever. we may not agree on some things, but i appreciate your candor, your knowledge, and your even handedness. we agree on a whole bunch of things.
...however. You can't say the Jets backed into the playoffs. You can't take away what the Jets did. They beat the teams that lined up against them, and fell on some good fortune but that is not backing into the playoffs.
Now if they had beat the Colts and Bengals and then got thrashed by Cincy, then you could argue that they were not deserving...but we all know that didn't happen. The Jets were playing good football and if you remember, they were one quarter away from the Super Bowl. They had the Colts on the ropes and made some mistakes and let Manning pwn them in the 4th.
The Jets were deserving and are a helluva football team with a helluva coach and some good talent. Of course, they took chances and spent money to assemble that talent but remember they picked 3rd in the Mario draft, so they were a bad football team back then too. They just showed more agressiveness in Free Agency and Trades and they didn't sit around for 5 years to decide if their coach sucked. They identified a problem and fixed it without waiting till it was too late.
As for the Texans, they failed to make the playoffs because of their own inability to play good in the division and to finish games. The Colts and the Bengals had NOTHING to do with the Texans failing to reach the postseason. The Texans controlled their own destiny and blew it Week One.
I know I am being a little sore with this topic, but I expect more consistency and objectivity from you, I guess. You gotta beat who you are lined up against. Would the Texans have 'backed into the playoffs' if they beat a Brady-less Patriots team Week17? Of course not. You beat who you are matched up with. That doesn't mean that a team cant be fortunate to play a team with nothing to play for or with their playoff spot/seed wrapped up. When it counted, the Jets played well. They beat the Texans on the road with rookie coach and QB in our crib. To take anything away from them is unfair and dishonest and ingenuine.
The Texans failed to make the playoffs. The Jets made the playoffs and had a lot of success winning 2 road playoff games. The Jets belonged there and they were and are a helluva team. They play with vigor and intensity and it all starts up top with Ryan. Our team plays like they are sleepwalking half the time and lack intensity and spirt, and that starts up top with Kubiak.
You don't have to agree with me about Kubiak, but don't discount the Jets. 2 road playoff wins is as many road playoff wins as some franchises have in their entire existence...and I am not talking about the Texans.
GP
Go Texans!
I am a moderate.
We've got left wingers on here claiming what we saw vs. the Saints is not what we saw. Nothing to see here, move along. etc. etc.
We've got right wingers on here saying Off With Their Heads!!!!
In politics, I'm right wing. In football, you have to be a moderate or you're screwed. Because you can't ignore bad on-the-field product, and you can't do a damn thing about it even if you DID recognize bad football when you see it.
You can't do anything, except go get ya' another team to root for. Which is why a lot of people bandwagon it. It's easier.
But here we all are, rooting for the same team, but with different takes on it.
What we saw in the Saints game was the polar opposite of what we saw in the Cards game. But what I saw in the Titans-Cards games scared me. A pee-wee team could take the Cards to task right now. So big whoop if we played decent against the Cards. Their ship sailed. Against the defending champs, we got manhandled much like we manhandled the Cards.
And that, no matter how you slice it, should make all of us slow down and realize that things are not always what they seem. Yeah, yeah, yeah: It's just the preseason. I get it already. But although the games do not count, they sure as hell "matter." Work off that rust NOW and not the first four games of the reg season, please. That's all I ask.
I am GP, and I approve this message.
And our guys DOGGED it against the Saints. Not lettin' that one go. They did.
We've got left wingers on here claiming what we saw vs. the Saints is not what we saw. Nothing to see here, move along. etc. etc.
We've got right wingers on here saying Off With Their Heads!!!!
In politics, I'm right wing. In football, you have to be a moderate or you're screwed. Because you can't ignore bad on-the-field product, and you can't do a damn thing about it even if you DID recognize bad football when you see it.
You can't do anything, except go get ya' another team to root for. Which is why a lot of people bandwagon it. It's easier.
But here we all are, rooting for the same team, but with different takes on it.
What we saw in the Saints game was the polar opposite of what we saw in the Cards game. But what I saw in the Titans-Cards games scared me. A pee-wee team could take the Cards to task right now. So big whoop if we played decent against the Cards. Their ship sailed. Against the defending champs, we got manhandled much like we manhandled the Cards.
And that, no matter how you slice it, should make all of us slow down and realize that things are not always what they seem. Yeah, yeah, yeah: It's just the preseason. I get it already. But although the games do not count, they sure as hell "matter." Work off that rust NOW and not the first four games of the reg season, please. That's all I ask.
I am GP, and I approve this message.
And our guys DOGGED it against the Saints. Not lettin' that one go. They did.
If this is the reason so many people are upset with Kubiak, I can kindof understand. I personally don't like the "draft only" or the "FA only" method of building a team.
But they made it pretty clear how they were going to approach this, when they signed Anthony Weaver for a bazillion dollars.
If that's why you're (not just you) pissed at Kubes, I can understand that.
What I don't understand, is when people over analyze and magnify every mistake Kubiak makes, as if other coaches don't. Including the great Buddy Ryan.
He lost to Buffalo.
Yes they would... anytime you're benefitted by some kind of help (another team pulling their starters, another team losing (like the us needing the Jets to lose) That's backing in. If the Jets were clearly the better team, against the Colts, or the Bengals were 100% then that wouldn't have been backing in. The Bengals didn't back in, they limped in as they had their seed sewn up, and then picked up injuries and lost some games down the stretch.
No that's being Honest.
I didn't watch their second game, so I can't say... but the Bengals were hurt.
Even if the Jets would have lost, and we made it, I would be saying the same thing. We backed in. If we beat an injured Bengals team, we beat an injured Bengals team.
If they (we) beat a good San Diego team clicking on all 4, I would say the stepped it up, they evolved, that they were a better team at that point (because I think we all learn from our experiences) than the team that backed into the playoffs.
The Stealers, the Giants, the Cardinals, all backed into the playoffs, and became better teams as a result.
The playoffs is a second season
Did you watch all their games? Is it possible that you can say this about the Texans, because you analyze every misstep?
The Jets lost to Buffalo & were swept by Miami.
I'm not discounting their play-off wins.
If Ryans gets Kudos for going 9-7 (like the Jets did the year before)
Then Kubiak should get Kudos for going 9-7. It shouldn't matter who beat who. Winning 9 games, is winning 9 games.
Had the Jets lost to the Bengals, or the Colts, and Kubiak got into the playoffs, would you be giving him the Kudos you're giving Ryans? I doubt it. You would be the one talking about backing into the playoffs.
It's luck, that that was the tie breaker. You can't go into the season knowing that. 9 times out of 10, when a team loses that first game, it means nothing on the overall season. We just got lucky enough that it bit us in the ass.
Had Ryans been that fire breather you think he is, and they beat Buffalo, and won one of the Miami games, they would have won the divison.
If they would have swept the Patriots, we would have been playing the Pats in week 17 for the wildcard. & losing that first game wouldn't have meant anything then.
9 wins is 9 wins. IF you can find anything good in that to prop up Ryans, you should be able to find something in their to cut Kubiak some slack.
There isn't a whole lot of difference going 2-4 in your division, than going 1-5.
The Texans did not get manhandled!
The DEs and the LBs (those who have been our bread-and-butter players) did not play as well as they should have been.
With a few exceptions like the time all our 3 LBs were pushed back by the releasing O-linemen (because they didn't read their key quick enough), that is!
The Pencil Neck
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And compare what the Titans did against the Cardinals to what we did to the Cardinals. Please.
Our 1's were up 10-0 after a quarter. The Titans were up 10-3 after a half.
If you're going to say that the Titans did a much better job against the Cards then we did, then you're wrong. Their 1's didn't do as well.
Our 1's were up 10-0 after a quarter. The Titans were up 10-3 after a half.
If you're going to say that the Titans did a much better job against the Cards then we did, then you're wrong. Their 1's didn't do as well.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Too many variables for this to be conclusive, but it would've been nice if the Cards gave the Titans more of a challenge.
What I've determined from preseason so far is that we bully lesser teams, and get dominated by teams that don't even have that much more talent. This is troubling because that's what we were last year, and we need to be an improved team to have a winning season with this schedule.
GP
Go Texans!
Arguing with you guys is useless.
I have never seen so many excuses, reasons, and special scenarios in all my life. This reminds me of the David Carr years, of which I was one of the ones making the excuses, reasons, and special scenarios as to why our offense was so bad. Must have been the oline, must have been the ocoord, must have been the WRs or TEs, must have been he needed ONE MORE YEAR to get there, must have been, must have been, must have been....
As a collective group, a t-e-a-m, those guys dogged it. And their reward was that they got manhandled.
LOL. Some of you are fooling yourselves. I promise you are. You don't know you are. You genuinely believe what you're saying. But the tea leaves don't look as pretty all of a sudden. And they won't if these guys don't screw their helmets on and play all-out. All I can figure is that the Texans coaching staff wanted to avoid over-exerting and thus to avoid injury. Play it safe, so to speak.
But they didn't go all out. Nobody here can honestly say they did. They were all getting pushed off the line and re-directed wherever the Saints wanted them to go. I re-watched it last night. It was sad.
DexmanC
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TK. Is this an indication you're banking your credibility on
the Texans making good on all the expectations for this
season?
The Pencil Neck
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Define "expectations".
I expect this to be a good team that fights for a playoff spot.
You expect this team to start off 5-7 and at best reach 500.
There are people here who expect this team to finish sub 6-10.
Then there are people who are expecting at least a 10 win season.
Wait a minute!
You complained about Marioa and Antonio Smith.
I said the Defense Ends.
(I simply added a few other guys to those two names.)
I metioned the LB corp that usually play well for us, did not play well in NO.
You mentioned the team as a whole.
Our seondary, as a whole or a hole, however you want to put it, had their up and down moments just as usual.
Our DTs played about as usual, more or less.
They didn't play any worse than usual, on the average.
There wasn't a whole lot difference between what we said.
The main thing is the defense played poorly, that we both agreed on.
But there are many ways of playing bad.
The Texans weren't pushed around (or whatever your definition of manhandling is.)
From what I saw, those particular guys didn't play up to par.
They missed their assignments or did not perform them well.
It's totally different from "they did their jobs but still got whooped".
That, I call being manhandled!
DexmanC
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Expectations for the Texans 2010 season: Division Championship,
Playoff Berth, in that order.
So do I, but I also expect consequences for coming up short
for the fifth year in a row.
Let me be clear. I've only illustrated what this team has done
for THREE CONSECUTIVE SEASONS, and am looking with a
microscope for ANY indication 2010 will be different. Look at
my signature. I've left NO prediction of the 2010 First Twelve
Games (Where Playoff Teams Are Made.), but I will be keeping
track. No more falling for the "Banana-In-The-Tailpipe" run when
we go 3-1 on teams out of the race, and other squads resting their
"key players" to claim a "non-losing / winning season."
Time for this team to grow the hell up.
I'm not one of these people.
I guess you could include me in this group. It takes 10 wins MINIMUM
to win the AFC South.
The Pencil Neck
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I'd change the order: Playoff Berth, Division Championship.
I think the Colts are still in the driver's seat and I think we can get in without winning the division.
The problem with consequences is that you've got to be careful that you don't cut off your nose to spite your face. One of the big problems that losing franchises have is that they do exactly what you're talking about. They have a team that is improving but not improving fast enough, so they fire their coach and hire another one. And then that cycle is repeated over and over again.
I don't want a losing franchise. I don't want to fire a guy who has improved the team each season he's been in charge and hire some washed up ex-super bowl winning coach who's just going to drive us into the ground. I don't want to get on a rollercoaster of hiring and firing coaches ever 2-3 years... and that's were "consequences" lead you.
I don't have signatures turned on. So, I have no idea what's in anyone's signature.
No, you WANT 10 wins but you don't EXPECT 10 wins. That's the problem. You WANT 10 wins but you're already EXPECTING to be disappointed. You may well be disappointed. It's not easy to put together a winning team and it's not easy to get to the playoffs. But to assume that you're already going to start 5-7 when the first real game hasn't even been played is kinda sad. This is the time of year when fans are all supposed to be at least somewhat hopeful.
I mean, my Raider buddies are all predicting 19-0 already. And we're better than the Raiders.
DexmanC
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I said what I meant, and meant what I said. I EXPECT 10 wins.
This team shows up, every game, like they did in the 4th quarter
of the Patriots game, it gets 10 wins. Falling short would give us
a FIVE YEAR RECORD of what ain't crackin.' Kubiak has been given
more than two seasons more than a coach with no playoff appearances.
You only need look to New Orleans, Cincinnati, Minneapolis, and several
other cities to know it doesn't take FIVE SEASONS for one coach to make
post season.
Time to burn those ships, no retreat, and treat every game like it matters. No more
sleepwalking into a game, looking like you don't belong in the NFL. Like
I said in a previous post: "Time for this team to grow the hell up."
DexmanC
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Good for you, TK. You may seem irrational at times, but at least you're a
man about your ****.
The Pencil Neck
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If you EXPECTED 10 wins, you'd be excited and happy right now.
DexmanC
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I'll be "happy about it" when expectation becomes reality.
The Pencil Neck
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So, looking at the schedule, how many games do you think we're going to lose? 6?
DexmanC
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This team has ten-win ability. It's about time to expect and DEMAND them to play
up to their potential. How many ways must I state this, before you
quit pretending to be so dense?
The Pencil Neck
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I totally believe this team can win 10 games, no problem. They might not but I expect them to.
But weren't you the one who was posting the first 12 games of the season saying how there was no way that Schaub makes it through that murderer's row of sack happy teams and how we'd be lucky to get to 5-7 this year? I'm just saying that I think you're flat out lying about expecting this team to win 10 games.
DexmanC
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I never declared, one way or another, how the 2010 season is gonna go.
How this season is going to turn out has not been determined. Go search
my posts. All you'll see is posting how the last three seasons were essentially
the same, and ASKING what's new about 2010.
Just give it up, dude...
bckey
All Pro
Ditto. I'm frigging tired of mediocre. This team better come out and play every game hungry to win. Quit being the up and down team we have seen since Kubiak arrived. Houston and all of south Texas want a winner. Not excuses. The Texans have the talent. Get er done. If not then they have to make changes because excuses are wearing really thin.
I have to disagree with pencil neck on this. Not fast enough is one thing. But staying the same old mediocre team is another. There is a problem if this team goes 9-7 or 8-8 or less and miss the playoffs again. COACHING. And I will tell you straight up I don't expect this team to do any better than 9-7. Not because of lack of talent. That excuse is long gone. The pendelum is swinging in the coaches direction. More talent added every year with the same results = bad leadership.
GP
Go Texans!
Great way of stating it.
Back when David Carr was let go, it meant that eventually Gary Kubiak was going to be in that spot that David Carr had occupied. I'm not saying that David Carr was unjustly let go. I'm saying that Gary Kubiak is now facing the same sort of dilemma that Carr did.
This has been Kubiak's team for several years now. It has his stamp and seal upon it. It's his brand of NFL football.
The microscope should be placed upon him this season, whether that's fair or not. And the early returns do not look good. More talent? Yes. Improved offense? Yes. Improved defense? Yes. Ability to play consistently GOOD and to win the tough games against the better teams we face? No.
And that last little category is the top of the mountain. Can he reach it? Maybe. But the preseason look-and-feel better not carry over into the regular season.
So it's not about winning games, or performing well? If we go 8-8 & by some freak accident, that gets us a wildcard, you're happy?
Totally understandable. But in the above scenario, if that were to happen, would that mean Kubiak keeps his job?
From where I'm at, if that scenario were to happen, and we lose that wildcard game, GK is gone. It's not simply about getting into the play-offs for me. It's about fielding a good team. If by some chance we do that, and circumstances led to us not making the playoffs, like going 11-5 and missing out because we lost game 1 against Indy... Gary stays. There were more positives than negatives.
Same thing with '09. You're damn right that was a disappointing year. But to miss the play-offs, because a hundred things that could've happened to make that first game irrelevant didn't happen doesn't constitute firing a coach that brought good football to Houston.
If I were Bob sitting up in my box, watching the games, I'm very proud of my team for 100 out of 126 plays, & I'm keeping my coach. Unless he's rationalizing the 26 plays away, and isn't doing anything to address them. & while we may be rationalizing them here on the boards, Kubiak isn't. He tells you week after week, that it's his fault. What he plans on doing to fix the problems, I'm sure is between Kubiak & McNair, and we can only speculate.
So how can you expect any different? How can you expect them to do better than 5-7 over the first 12 games if you don't acknowledge one improvement on this team on either side of the ball, I know you damn sure don't see any improvement in Kubiak.
If you expect this team to not lose more than 6 games in the first 12, why? What gives you optimism? What makes you expect them to win seven of the first 12 games?
Some fluke? The Schedule? Maturity?
Why do you expect better, if you aren't seeing better?
The Colts win 12 games every year. We'll have to win 12 games, and more divisional games than the Colts to win the division.
I know we can do it. I expect this team to do it.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
The Colts win 12 games every year by beating the Texans twice. I get your
point, though. Statistical improvement, with no equivalent improvement in
the W-L column falls on the coach. This team has enough talent to win, but
they have yet to "Bring It" every game.
Sometimes they look like hellbeaters, then the very next game, they don't
show up AT ALL.
That last little line is all they need to change to become the team WE EXPECT
them to be. That falls on Coach Kubiak, no matter how ya slice it.
Even Albert Haynesworth found out that if he plays like our entire team did Saturday, his ass will be on the scout team. Vernon Davis found out,
from Mike Singletary, that if HE dogs it, he'll have to hit the showers mid-game.
Now the 49ers play with as much talent as we had in 2005, yet their discipline is MUCH higher than our 2009 Texans team.
Kubiak's job is on the line, and it should be.
About my expectations of them doing better than 5-7:
It's not that I'm optimistic about them going 11-5, or 10-6.
I'm saying that if 2010 is different than the last Three Seasons,
then they will BRING IT EVERY SINGLE DOWN, IN EVERY SINGLE GAME.
This team, should they play like bats flying out of hell, has 12-win talent.
I'd settle for 10-6. The bar is set high, but not nearly as high as other teams
I could name.
point, though. Statistical improvement, with no equivalent improvement in
the W-L column falls on the coach. This team has enough talent to win, but
they have yet to "Bring It" every game.
Sometimes they look like hellbeaters, then the very next game, they don't
show up AT ALL.
That last little line is all they need to change to become the team WE EXPECT
them to be. That falls on Coach Kubiak, no matter how ya slice it.
Even Albert Haynesworth found out that if he plays like our entire team did Saturday, his ass will be on the scout team. Vernon Davis found out,
from Mike Singletary, that if HE dogs it, he'll have to hit the showers mid-game.
Now the 49ers play with as much talent as we had in 2005, yet their discipline is MUCH higher than our 2009 Texans team.
Kubiak's job is on the line, and it should be.
About my expectations of them doing better than 5-7:
It's not that I'm optimistic about them going 11-5, or 10-6.
I'm saying that if 2010 is different than the last Three Seasons,
then they will BRING IT EVERY SINGLE DOWN, IN EVERY SINGLE GAME.
This team, should they play like bats flying out of hell, has 12-win talent.
I'd settle for 10-6. The bar is set high, but not nearly as high as other teams
I could name.
If only everything were staying the same. You completely ignore all the good things that have been happening. I understand W/L means alot, I understand W/L is the most important stat of them all.
However, I do think 2010 is different. W/L means more this year, than it has in the past. For me anyway.
That's bull, & I can show you the stats to prove it. But you don't know how to interpret stats, so the would be a waste of time.
Now had you said they have yet to bring it on every play... or every qtr of every game, I would agree.
Again, bullshit.
If Kubiak does the same thing to Slaton or Jacoby Jones that happened to Vernon Davis, he's got half a dozen people up his ass telling him that's the wrong thing to do.
So you don't expect them to win 10 games. Period.
DexmanC
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I'm not talking stats. I'm talking what I see with my eyes.
Vernon Davis became an all-pro caliber tight end after Singletary
got into his ass against Seattle. That can not be denied. Leaders
find out which buttons their players need pushed, and PUSH them.
Singletary didn't give a **** what "other" people cared about it. He
got HUGE RESULTS from sending Vernon Davis to the showers. Hell,
he's even their offensive captain!
Being that 2010, is the year they will turn the corner (so we've heard),
I expect them to win 10 games. Will they MEET my expectation?
That's why the games are played.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
I put those two lines you quoted in its own paragraph for a reason.
Don't change the context, and argue against your creation.
Read the bolded portion, which you omitted when you quoted me, and
understand the entire paragraph.
It doesn't change a thing. The "extra content" as well as your post history makes it very clear, that you don't think they can or will bring it every single down. If they win ten games, you would be happy, but it would be more of a surprise than an expectation.
You expect them to win 10 games, because the franchise has been in existence for 8 years, and Kubiak has been the HC for 4, going on 5. It's about time he won 10+ games, but you wouldn't be surprised if we don't win more than 9.
It's the same ol, same ol, it is what you expect from Kubiak.
You don't have any faith in his ability to lead men.
I on the other hand have been tracking this teams improvements through the years. Last year, we were good enough to win 10+ games. But it didn't happen. 2010 we will be better. Of that, I have no doubt.
I fully expect them to win 10+ games, and would be surprised if they don't.
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Go Texans!
The hangup is not on the issue of "improvements" TK. It's squarely upon Kubiak's ability to lead men, as you put it. And that's the crux of this debate. You got no stats that'll show if he can lead them this year.
But we do have that pesky Saints game to evaluate, of which you have invented several excuses or possible reasons as to why we dogged it.
You are expecting us to rise, others are doubtful. Me, I'll just watch with a critical eye because I think there's a gaping hole on this team that has nothing to do with the roster.
The overall attitude of our guys last Saturday is alarming.
But we do have that pesky Saints game to evaluate, of which you have invented several excuses or possible reasons as to why we dogged it.
You are expecting us to rise, others are doubtful. Me, I'll just watch with a critical eye because I think there's a gaping hole on this team that has nothing to do with the roster.
The overall attitude of our guys last Saturday is alarming.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Buddy Ryan didn't lose to Buffalo. Buddy Ryan was brought in as a response to the Jim Eddy-led defensive effort against Buffalo. Buddy Ryan was responsible for arguably the greatest season of Oilers football ever. 12 wins in a row, bye week, and a home playoff game. Too bad that game was against Big Game Joe Montana or we could have had Oilers v Cowboys Super Bowl and the Oilers would have never left to begin with.
As for the Jets, the Jets had a midseason malaise. But that is to be expected with a rookie QB who was hurting and a rookie HC who was still trying to overcome the loss of Kris Jenkins. The Dolphins are another well coached team that didn't take 5 years to turn things around. it took ZERO years. They went from embarassment to playoff contender and they didn't have to wait around for the 2nd coming or for Kubiak to grow a pair for it to happen.
Bottom line is that the Jets did not back into the playoffs. They won who was lined up against them and won 2 more playoff games in one season than the Texans have even been to.
You are a pretty knowledgeable fan, but to blame Buddy Ryan for 35-3 is ridiculous. Geez, Buddy could probably come in and turn this ship around tomorrow and the guy is like 100 years old by now.
I meant Rex Ryan. My bad.
If Drew Brees gets hurt tomorrow, and is out for the season.
Then Evans & Nicks are out after week 2.
Roman Harper, and their starting LBs miss 6 games in 2010, and the Saints go 4-12.
Then Payton decides he wants to go coach the Rams for some reason (more money?? who knows, but it doesn't matter).
Let's say the Saints decide to promote Greg Williams to head coach. They get all their players back, and they stay healthy for the 2011 season.
They go 10-6.
Would that be a team that took 0 years to turnaround, or is that a team that got healthy?
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
None of that happened for the Texans, they still scored 20+ unanswered,
and opened another game 17-0 on the Colts and LOST BOTH. They still found ways
to sleepwalk during the Jets game, go braindead in the 1st Jags game,
and let MOJO-D walk all over them 11 straight plays in the other.
7-9,9-7 Ville. We're looking for someone to lead us out of there. Will
Kubiak HIMSELF step HIS game up, like the team needs him to? That's
what we're watching for in 2010. You're arguing hypotheticals, we're
using the past TRUTHS to set the standard for this season.
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GP
Go Texans!
That is the biggest cop out, if you're serious about it. I have to think you're joking here. Surely you are.
Man, you got a bad case of the Kool Aid "shakes" TK.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
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