Ben Tate done for season (Broken Ankle)

[GP]

They are the same yayhoos that thought carr's problem was the OL
so excuse me if I take all the hate with a grain of salt

I have always shot straight and will never adopt the sheeple mindset that afflicts some posters. Kubiak us what he is. A hc with a losing record over 5 years. That isn't an opinion or being a 'bad fan'. It's called being honest.

Kubiak has done a good job fostering the development of the passing ge but he is head coach and his results have had his team losing more than winning.

That isn't a take
it's a fact. So while you are posting about me and how horrible and evil I am, I will be posting truths, trends, and cold facts

I was right before amidst much witch hunting and I am right again
just get your excuses lined up...looks like we got some new ones coming down the proverbial pipe. This isn't about me, it's about failing to aim high and setting the bar at mediocrity and not going for championship in the regime

kubiak has shown nothing that he is a championship level hc to me
maybe it's just wishful thinking or blind myopia amongst some
I don't know and really don't care but it would be nice if being honest wasn't labeled as being a bad fan

You're irrationality has helped me to shake the spider webs from my mind, and to finally embrace that there is no perfect head coach in existence.

Had our team come out as flat as the Cardinals did last night, I'm probably throwing some pretty heavy rocks at Kubiak right now. But you know what? We didn't. Almost to-a-man our team was doing its jobs and doing them well.

The worst part, and it was easily (PERHAPS) the ONLY bad part of the whole game, was the injury to Tate. Which was nobody's fault.

Trying to triangulate Kubiak to this situation is poor character, IMO. Again, that's only my opinion. He's putting JJ in there as essentially the number 2 WR. He let go of Richard Smith and look what THAT has done for our defense. He brought in David Gibbs and look what happened: We get Pollard because Gibbs jumped all over that opportunity. He lets Alex Gibbs walk, which was good timing because we grew beyond him IMO. We lose Shanny Jr. and our offense didn't skip a beat last night. He brought in Rackers to give Kris some competition. He drafted a CB from a national championship team who is known for extensively coaching up his defensive backs. He didn't wait until round 6 to draft a RB this year--But the 2nd rounder (Tate) gets hurt in a freak play and Kubiak is now a goat for it.

As much as you can be "right" about David Carr, at some point you have to move beyond it and realize that it's no longer a part of your resume that's going to get you the job as Chief Criticizer & Judge of Talent around here.

Return, with me, to the land of analysis and dialogue. It flows with milk and honey. I promise.

 

[Wolf]

Ben's facebook

Ben Tate Thanks to everyone for your prayers and wishing me well!!! i didnt break my ankle i can tell you that but thanks to everyone

 

[GP]

He didn't break it?!?!?!

Now we have to wonder if it's ligament damage or other non-break trauma.

Oh man, but that he DIDN'T break it is some sort of consolation for all of us!

Just gotta' get the whole story now. Thanks, Wolf. Rep your way if it lets me.

 

[b0ng]

Ben's facebook

I hope he's not downplaying his injury or that it's something worse than an ankle break. But it at least made my day a little brighter reading that from Tate.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

We haven't had a losing season in three years.

He has had five years
losing record over five years
good coaches don't need five years and five offseasons to build a winner

but we are one game over .500 the last 3 years so let's start the parade
while we are at it let's just build a statue of the guy with
'no losing record in three years' engraved on it

hip hip hooray

 

[Lucky]

We're not going to start with the personal attacks this early in the preseason, are we?

I guess we are.

The regime has egg on their face. Their failure to secure a veteran Rb made them reach for a RB early in draft and now the guy is done after one carry.

Had they signed a vet RB, he could have been done after the first preseason game. Remember Ahman Green didn't last very long.

Rather than dwell on what Smithiak has done, we should be wondering what they will do. Another RB should be secured before the season starts. Let's see how this plays out.

 

[steelbtexan]

They are the same yayhoos that thought carr's problem was the OL
so excuse me if I take all the hate with a grain of salt

I have always shot straight and will never adopt the sheeple mindset that afflicts some posters. Kubiak us what he is. A hc with a losing record over 5 years. That isn't an opinion or being a 'bad fan'. It's called being honest.

Kubiak has done a good job fostering the development of the passing ge but he is head coach and his results have had his team losing more than winning.

That isn't a take
it's a fact. So while you are posting about me and how horrible and evil I am, I will be posting truths, trends, and cold facts

I was right before amidst much witch hunting and I am right again
just get your excuses lined up...looks like we got some new ones coming down the proverbial pipe. This isn't about me, it's about failing to aim high and setting the bar at mediocrity and not going for championship in the regime

kubiak has shown nothing that he is a championship level hc to me
maybe it's just wishful thinking or blind myopia amongst some
I don't know and really don't care but it would be nice if being honest wasn't labeled as being a bad fan

Man,I'm with you on the whole McNair/Kubes thing.

I have the bar for this franchise set just as high as you do. (championship)

I was just enjoying poking a little fun at you.

That wont happen again.

 

[GP]

He has had five years
losing record over five years
good coaches don't need five years and five offseasons to build a winner

but we are one game over .500 the last 3 years so let's start the parade
while we are at it let's just build a statue of the guy with
'no losing record in three years' engraved on it

hip hip hooray

At least you could wait until week 8 or 9 to start this.

Because if we're rockin-and-rollin by then, you're going to have some explaining to do. We're not even in the reg season yet. You're saying that we should not even care to watch or have hope this season, until we get us a real good coach who knows how to win.

You know, man, I've positive rep'd you in the past but right now is a time when we just love football and could care if our coach was Kubiak or Perez Hilton. It's been a long time since football, and you're finding every opportunity to make it miserable.

Oh wait, my bad. Gary Kubiak is making it miserable for us. I forgot.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

So I guess it's time to go to the personal insult-card when peope point out truths and facts that you don't like or. Anger you

I won't be responding to the personal attacks with ones of my own but thanks for playing anyway

 

[GP]

We're not going to start with the personal attacks this early in the preseason, are we?

I guess we are.

Abso-freaking-lutely we are. LOL.

I bet Rams fans wish they were us right now. I bet Bills fans wish they were us right now. We're not world-beaters but we're tolerable by a mile. We have a fighting chance, that's what I'm trying to say.

But when there's someone always in the back of the room, heckling, it just gets old after awhile. That's all.

 

[FirstTexansFan]

Stop this SH!

 

[GP]

So I guess it's time to go to the personal insult-card when peope point out truths and facts that you don't like or. Anger you

I won't be responding to the personal attacks with ones of my own but thanks for playing anyway

You are engaging in personal attacks with your passive aggressive "I know football better than you do" crap. It's condescending. Can't you tell by now?

Join us in actually talking about the entire aspects of this team, not just the parts that you pick and choose so that you can gather around you a great number of disciples to share in the fun of tearing things down.

And yet you wonder why so many people are mad at you? At some point, you do have to give two shits about what perception people have of you. It doesn't have to drive your entire conversation, but just at least stop walking around the room popping everyone's balloon and pee'ing in their ginger ale when they're not looking. Just a tiny bit of decorum, please?

 

[Lucky]

Let's stay on topic rather than tell other posters how to post. For those who don't know how to use the ignore function, please PM me.

 

[FirstTexansFan]

Let's stay on topic rather than tell other posters how to post. For those who don't know how to use the ignore function, please PM me.

That's awful close to PMS, which seems to be running rampant on the boards of late...

 

[Thorn]

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv/index.asp?mm_file_id=4225&play_clip=y


Kubiac's live interview is about to happen now.

 

[Marcus]

That's awful close to PMS, which seems to be running rampant on the boards of late...

deleted

 

[thunderkyss]

They are the same yayhoos that thought carr's problem was the OL
so excuse me if I take all the hate with a grain of salt

While we are thumping chests here, let me get mine in. I was on the fore-front of the "Carr ain't going to get it done" band wagon myself. I believe I was the first to point out his ability to run into a sack.

A hc with a losing record over 5 years. That isn't an opinion or being a 'bad fan'. It's called being honest.

I know it's a technicality, but he hasn't had a loosing record over 5 years.
1) 2006
2) 2007
3) 2008
4) 2009

He only had a losing record once.

& while we are on technicalities, it's yahoos.

Kubiak has done a good job fostering the development of the passing ge but he is head coach and his results have had his team losing more than winning.

He's had a top 5 offense two years running. I'm betting he'll have a top 10 defense in 2010, maybe even top 5.

That isn't a take
it's a fact.

Actually, it's skewed. We have won more than we've lost in the most recent years, which is what counts.

So while you are posting about me and how horrible and evil I am, I will be posting truths, trends, and cold facts

I think he was a fan of your before you posted this.

kubiak has shown nothing that he is a championship level hc to me
maybe it's just wishful thinking or blind myopia amongst some
I don't know and really don't care but it would be nice if being honest wasn't labeled as being a bad fan

I didn't label you a bad fan. I don't recall anyone labeling you a bad fan, though I would understand if they did.

Let me ask you this. IF (& that is a big If) we just happen to be the AFC Champs this year, what are you going to say? "I knew it"

 

[steelbtexan]

So I guess it's time to go to the personal insult-card when peope point out truths and facts that you don't like or. Anger you

I won't be responding to the personal attacks with ones of my own but thanks for playing anyway

I believe the Texans will finish 7-9 and Kubes will never be a championship caliber HC.

However a new football season is upon us. Hope should remain supreme. I can relistically say that without major injuries this team could go 10-6 or 11-5 if everything fell into place.

It's a new year stay positive until you have a reason not to be positive.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I really did not see Tate having much of an impact on the Texans' playoff hopes other than who would get cut at the position. I am happy with Foster, Slaton and whoever based on what I saw from the offense last night. Foster looks like the real deal with his smooth, efficient gait. I will be interested to see him block and catch the next couple of games.

I hope the injury is not as worse as it could be, but we will certainly see how strong Tate's work ethic is over the next year or so.

 

[TheRealJoker]

Truth hurts

they screwed up in not getting a vet RB
is it even up for debate after the Tate disaster?

Yes, if we got a vet running back, like Ahman Green for example, there is no chance they would've gotten hurt.

 

[ObsiWan]

Truth hurts

they screwed up in not getting a vet RB
is it even up for debate after the Tate disaster?

Ahman Green was a vet RB with multi 1000-yd seasons on his resume'
Didn't he get injured both seasons he was here?
Chris Brown was a vet RB how did that work out?

Get a better argument, that one has too many holes in it.

 

[PHAROAH]

Man this is sad.

 

[thunderkyss]

He has had five years
losing record over five years
good coaches don't need five years and five offseasons to build a winner

Is there something wrong with my math here?

Can we really say he has had a losing record over 5 years, at the beginning of the fifth year?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Kubiak has just confirmed Tate will require SURGERY. He said "It is really bad." This is
what I expected. He said would would have more details tomorrow.

 

[ChrisG]

Tate is saying it isnt broken but needs surgery (per rotoworld). I want one preseason without a major or new player not getting hurt

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Texans coach Gary Kubiak confirmed Sunday that Ben Tate will need surgery on his injured ankle.

Tate insists the ankle isn't broken, but it's got to be dislocated at least. It's unclear if the Texans will place him on injured reserve. Arian Foster is even more locked in as Houston's starting tailback, and worth a mid-round pick in all fantasy drafts. The Texans may have to keep Chris Henry on the roster as a third-string runner. Tate is undraftable in re-draft leagues.

LINK

Without MRI results fracture will not be ruled out. But if he has enough ligaments torn without fracture to require surgery, this will be a long enough rehab to make a return this year unlikely, very possibly unwise.........for not only Tate's sake, but for the team's benefit (since return to same level of performance would be highly unlikely for this season). Who knows, though. We haven't heard the final diagnosis........just some vague description by Kubiak, and a statement from Tate.

 

[PHAROAH]

Man looks like we will have to trade for a back this year or draft another one in the first or second round in the 2011 NFL draft. There is no telling how he will come back from this injury.

 

[ObsiWan]

He has had five years
losing record over five years
good coaches don't need five years and five offseasons to build a winner

but we are one game over .500 the last 3 years so let's start the parade
while we are at it let's just build a statue of the guy with
'no losing record in three years' engraved on it

hip hip hooray

Tom Landry didn't post a winning record until his 7th season.
But maybe you don't consider him a "good coach".

 

[Lucky]

Tom Landry didn't post a winning record until his 7th season.

In today's NFL, Landry would have never made it to a 7th season. Apples & oranges.

 

[MojoMan]

Man looks like we will have to trade for a back this year or draft another one in the first or second round in the 2011 NFL draft. There is no telling how he will come back from this injury.

The Texans should draft another running back reasonably high in 2011 regardless of what Tate's status turns out to be. Unfortunately, RB's tend to get injured a lot and their average tenure in the NFL is quite short. Despite all the recent hype about how deep the Texans are at RB, I will believe it when I see it. As far as I can tell, after the loss of Ben Tate the Texans are probably not any deeper at this position than they were last year or the year before. This is still a position of substantial uncertainty for this team.

 

[thunderkyss]

The Texans should draft another running back reasonably high in 2011 regardless of what Tate's status turns out to be. Unfortunately, RB's tend to get injured a lot and their average tenure in the NFL is quite short. Despite all the recent hype about how deep the Texans are at RB, I will believe it when I see it. As far as I can tell, after the loss of Ben Tate the Texans are probably not any deeper at this position than they were last year or the year before. This is still a position of substantial uncertainty for this team.

I agree it is uncertain now, but as unlikely as it may sound, I would rather wait to see what Foster, Slaton, Henry, & JJ do. RB may not even be on the docket in 2011.

 

[ObsiWan]

In today's NFL, Landry would have never made it to a 7th season. Apples & oranges.

and maybe that's the problem with this short-attention span, instant gratification generation. No patience.

 

[PHAROAH]

The Texans should draft another running back reasonably high in 2011 regardless of what Tate's status turns out to be. Unfortunately, RB's tend to get injured a lot and their average tenure in the NFL is quite short. Despite all the recent hype about how deep the Texans are at RB, I will believe it when I see it. As far as I can tell, after the loss of Ben Tate the Texans are probably not any deeper at this position than they were last year or the year before. This is still a position of substantial uncertainty for this team.

MojoMan i'm with you and too be honest I don't think that we are deep at all when we were ranked 30th in rushing overall last season and we come back with the same back minus our 2nd round pick who we were banking on stimulating the ground game. This is a huge blow and the Texans have to make a major move to trade for a very good back who can help us now and not wait on next season.

 

[Jackie Chiles]

The Texans should draft another running back reasonably high in 2011 regardless of what Tate's status turns out to be. Unfortunately, RB's tend to get injured a lot and their average tenure in the NFL is quite short. Despite all the recent hype about how deep the Texans are at RB, I will believe it when I see it. As far as I can tell, after the loss of Ben Tate the Texans are probably not any deeper at this position than they were last year or the year before. This is still a position of substantial uncertainty for this team.

I don't know about that, ditching Chris Brown alone immediately changes the face of our running game. I was skeptical and I don't want to overreact to one preseason game, but we looked pretty solid yesterday. Our running game sucked in last years preseason as well as the regular so take that for what its worth.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

From what I can ascertain, I don't see a scenario where Tate goes PUP and is able to return in time to avoid IR.

 

[steelbtexan]

and maybe that's the problem with this short-attention span, instant gratification generation. No patience.

9 yrs, no patience, no playoffs =?

How much patience is enough on your patience scale?

 

[b0ng]

9 yrs, no patience, no playoffs =?

How long ago would you have chosen a different team to root for if you were a Bills, Lions or Browns fan? (Throw in the Bengals too if you want to ignore the one-and-done playoff year last year).

 

[ObsiWan]

9 yrs, no patience, no playoffs =?

How much patience is enough on your patience scale?

for me, as long as it takes. I used to root for the Oilers all those lean years until Bum and Earl showed up.
And it's only 8 yrs, the ninth year has yet to unfold.

 

[JB]

for me, as long as it takes. I used to root for the Oilers all those lean years until Bum and Earl showed up.
And it's only 8 yrs, the ninth year has yet to unfold.

Yeah, but this year is already wasted because we lost the first pre-season game...

 

[Rey]

In today's NFL, Landry would have never made it to a 7th season.

I think that's his point.

 

[steelbtexan]

for me, as long as it takes. I used to root for the Oilers all those lean years until Bum and Earl showed up.
And it's only 8 yrs, the ninth year has yet to unfold.

As an old Oiler fan I'm with you and I will continue to be a Texan fan until I die or they move to some other city.

I hoped with the new franchise they wouldn't remind me so much of the old Oilers. (losing games when they counted the most)

Kubes actually reminds me of another former Oiler/Aggie HC. Jack Pardee

Great guy didn't ever win a championship. Had problems with clock management. I guess math isn't a strong suit up there in College Station. LOL

The Kubes extention really bothers me.

 

[Marcus]

The Kubes extention really bothers me.

Would it still "bother" you if they went to the playoffs this year?

(Jeez . . don't even answer that. I'm in enough trouble already.)

 

[steelbtexan]

Would it still "bother" you if they went to the playoffs this year?

(Jeez . . don't even answer that. I'm in enough trouble already.)

You already know the answer to that ?

LOL

 

[Jackie Chiles]

Great guy didn't ever win a championship. Had problems with clock management. I guess math isn't a strong suit up there in College Station. LOL

The Kubes extention really bothers me.

If I was an Aggie I would be mighty tempted to point out how spelling must not be a strong suit for steelbtexan. /duck

As far as Gary goes, I do believe we could do better but I also believe he can get better. If this team comes out every game with the type of intensity and discipline they had yesterday I will be pretty much completely satisfied.

 

[dream_team]

It's kind of funny how a "Ben Tate injury" thread could lead to Kubiak/Smith/McNair regime sucks.

I think Kubiak haters already have their mind set... nothing will change their minds until he wins a SB. If we signed a vet like LT, instead of draft Tate, and LT got injured yesterday, then the haters would blast "didn't he learn anything from the Ahman Green fiasco?".

Like people have been saying, injuries are a part of the game... and most of the time, they're freak accidents. You can't put blame on Kubiak for Tate's injury.

 

[thunderkyss]

You already know the answer to that ?

LOL

See, here's the deal. For me anyway.

There are several guys who would have been fine with it, had we made the play-offs, it doesn't matter if Kubiak had done a better job or not. There were three scenarios in which we could have gone to the playoffs where Kubiak had done nothing different.

If the Colts would have tried for the perfect season.

If the Bengals would have played to win.

By some weird chance, the Raiders beat the 9-7 Baltimore Ravens week 17.

All of those were plausible, and could have happened. I am well aware of all the things that could have happened to make us 8-8 or worse, this isn't about that.

If you're not happy with this team that Kubiak built, then you shouldn't be happy with being 9-7 & sneaking into the play-offs. IMHO, if this is you, then you're just taking your frustrations out on Kubiak, and may not be thinking rationally.

If you are truly not happy with Kubiak, you wouldn't be happy with this team, even if we went to the Super Bowl and won. Same way many people didn't like Terrell Owens, and tried to rationalize that he had nothing to do with getting the Eagles to the Super Bowl.

I truly believe there are people here, who hate Kubiak enough that a Super Bowl wouldn't change their mind about the team. & that is fine, that is their prerogative. Loving the Texans doesn't mean you have to love Kubiak.

Surely those people will flip this, and say there are people who would make excuses for Kubiak if we went 2-14, or anything less than 9-7 in 2010. Just to be clear, I'm not one of those people. I'll be upset if the Texans don't finish 10-6 or better.

I think it is totally possible for this team to finish with 14 wins with this schedule.

9-7 wasn't what I hoped for last season, but it was acceptable for who we were, and all that happened last season. To me. I didn't count on getting swept by the Jags, and I didn't think we would lose both the Jets game and the Cardinals game. Other than that, everything went the way I thought it might.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Tate tweeted this:

Sucks to be hurt and not be out there with my teammates working to make the playoffs but what doesnt kill you only makes you stronger!!
about 1 hour ago via web

 

[TimeKiller]

It's kind of funny how a "Ben Tate injury" thread could lead to Kubiak/Smith/McNair regime sucks.

Burn.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Name the player they should've signed.

I think they should have gone after Thomas Jones and a RB in the draft, such as Tate. 2 mill this year, 3 next for Jones is peanuts to most teams in the NFL besides the Texans. In an uncapped year, it's a terrible mistake not to bring in a vet presence at a position of eternal weakness for this team. Even if he isn't your #1 or #2 guy, he can bring some experience to a position that is full of young and unproven players.

 

[Norg]

what if he ends up like green

he gets injured like 1st snap

comes back a year latter and gets injured agian on the 2nd snap .....

gets released his third year