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Pac-10 might ask Texas and five other Big 12 schools to join

Goldensilence said:
Aggies seriously want to walk into the frey of the SEC?
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Yes.



What I find ironic about the whole thing is that Texas reportedly turned down the SEC because of academics, but now with Colorado and Nebraska both gone, the academics between the conferences are a wash.

Taking data from http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings

Average of SEC schools: 90.6 with two tier 3 schools (Ole Miss, Miss St.)
Average of B12 schools: 82.3 with three tier 3 schools (KSU, OSU, and TTU)
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Looks like Fox was under the gun and gave the Big12 a fat raise
Fox had to overpay or they would have been locked out of college fb

as for possible expansion that won't happen due to splitting that TV pie
I do think if this is a long term move, and I don't think it is, they should look at TCU and Rice.

How bad does Mizzou look in all this. The big10 treated them like the ugly chick with the hot friend. Use em to get close to the hot chick then never call them again. Were a Mizzou family up in St. Louis but they really got caught with their pants down but I guess every school got more money and security so even they look good in the end. A&M is staying right? Hope so as that game has a lot of history especially when you look at respective fightsongs and hallowed traditions like the bonfire. RIP

well are we still called big12? The Mid Ten? The Bigger 10?
The Temporary 10?
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Drinkin' much Bud? :shots: Yoohoo!
 
Mailman said:
After endless speculation from numerous sources about UT going to the Pac-10, SEC, or Big Ten, this is the shittastic finale to the earth-shaking rumors about the college football landscape? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I am a UT alum, but I have honestly never given two flipping chits about UT football because my sports allegiances were formed at an early age on the basis of geography. With all the tradition-based silliness and the goofy scripted cheers every fan is expected to know and shout throughout a game, college football never resonated with this diehard sports fan. I was done with high school and the crap that goes on at college football games is just like high school, only on a bigger scale. No thanks. For me it has always been and will always be about pro sports in my hometown-- Houston.

Houston Oil,er,Texans. Houston Astros. Houston Rockets.

Why should I give a **** about a sport that doesn't even have a playoff system? Why should I give a **** about my university's football program when, for the last decade plus it's been beating up on crappy football teams like Northeastern Idaho State and Nicholls State to start each and every Longhorn football campaign? WOOOOHOOO college football is soooo allsome!!! UT fans love to pop off about how f'n powerful the Longhorn football program has become on the national scene, but most of them have developed a selective case of amnesia. Many are spoiled blowhards who weren't around for the McWilliams/Mackovic years when UT was nothing on the national scene. I was there then and I couldn't have cared less about UT athletics. I was at UT to study. My sports watching schedule was all about the Oilers, Rockets, and Astros, not the damn Longhorns.

Given the success UT has tasted since their yearly five or six-win mediocrity when I was a student, I fully understand why the program's popularity has soared along with the athletic department revenues. Fans love winners. However, UT missed a golden opportunity to return the love to its expanding fanbase by rejecting the PAC 10's offer today. Instead of finally getting rid of these ridiculously weak schedules every year in favor of schools that can provide worthwhile competition, Dodds and Powers have guaranteed Texas a spot as the perennial powerhouse bully in conference of guppies. The only game that means anything is the game against Oklahoma, and it's not even in Austin! Way to f*ck your fanbase, Mr. Dodds.

COLLEGE. FOOTBALL. SUCKS.
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What a load of ****. Perhaps you can package it and sell it off as fertilizer.

Last year's schedule for perennial power house Florida:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=57&year=2009

Starting off against Charleston Southern and Troy and a late game with FIU.

How about Iowa's Big start:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=2294&year=2009

Northern Iowa and Iowa State.

Will anyone ***** about ACC runner up Clemson's start next year?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=228&year=2010

North Texas and... the Presbyterian Blue Hose?!

Really I just tired of people's argument about UT's schedule. Like they are the only school that starts off with a weak schedule or has to battle through a conference that isn't top to bottom filled with stiff competition.
 
Super Mario said:
That is a good question. Would any SEC teams want into a conference that almost folded up shop? Doubt it. I really wish Nebraska and Colorado stayed.

Personally I think LSU and Arkansas would make alot of sense. But if no SEC, then I would probably look at TCU and New Mexico.
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The Big 12-2 is not going to raid the SEC. There is no way they could pay Arky enough to bail. And I think the SEC is fine with their current format. They were willing to expand IF another conference goes mega 16, but as long as there is no competition for the top spot they will stay put IMO
 
Kulluminatii said:
Source: Influential group saved Big 12


*Full article @ espn.com*

*EDIT*

Just some more info from these "sources".

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15295447



With all this info being released, its hard to believe any of it at this time. Hopefully things get cleared up tomorrow.
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Nothing shocking here. Once Texas had those terms from the Whatever the Big 12 is going to be called in the future of course they are going use the leverage that they had. When they didn't have another deal, sure they were going to talk nice to the Pac 11. Once they had something to work with , theLonghorns went to work. Texas was interested in getting the best deal for the University of Texas. they did not care about rivalies, traditions, BCS, A & M , Baylor, Mizzou, or whatever else has been discussed. The couple of weeks have been about Texas and their bottomline: nothing more nothing less.
 
Goldensilence, you just proved my point about college football. Thanks! By no means was my criticism of UT's notoriously weak OOC schedule unique to UT.

Here's the thing, though...right now UT is at the summit of college football with four BCS appearances in the last six years and two berths in the MNC game. UT makes more money than any college football program in the nation. UT can write its own ticket anywhere because it is the Big Prize for every conference and every TV network that wants to televise college football. When it came time to write that ticket, UT decided not to take the more competitive path out west in favor of staying in the same crappy conference, except now Nebraska is gone and there's no conference championship game.

I don't see how any Texas Longhorn football fan can be in favor of this move as it diminishes the value of every home game into the NFL equivalent of a preseason game. UT will demolish the Iowa States, Okie States, and Kansas States every time. The season boils down to the Red River Shootout and the BCS strength of schedule rankings. Boooooring.
 
Since the name Big 12 isn't going to work, they should rename it back to the Southwest Conference. It's not the same teams but it still sounds cool
 
It would have been really interesting to see the Big 12 South merge with the Pac 10 to potentially create the best football conference in the country, but instead the insecure town bully managed to chase off 2 more competitors (Nebrasda & Colorado) from its 'Hood while at once becoming more dominant at the expense of an even weaker conference.
 
IDEXAN said:
It would have been really interesting to see the Big 12 South merge with the Pac 10 to potentially create the best football conference in the country, but instead the insecure town bully managed to chase off 2 more competitors (Nebrasda & Colorado) from its 'Hood while at once becoming more dominant at the expense of an even weaker conference.
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The weren't chased off. They left of their own free will. Nebraska left to pursue the money of the Big X network. Colorado probably left because it got an invite and the way things were looking they probably didn't want to get left out. Maybe they felt they were a better fit for the PAC-10. Really I just don't care.

Perhaps I just don't get the allure of 4 mega conferences? Do people really think that would've forced a playoff? Or are they pissed because they didn't see any REAL fireworks?

How come UT is getting the biggest blame? Financially yeah it was in their best interest but, no one is mentioning how a lot of other schools what's left of the Big 12 had just as much incentive to keep the conference together like Kansas, K-State, Baylor, Iowa State, and possibly Mizzou were going put in a position of irrelevance in a much smaller conference.

If they keep it at 10, which looks like the initial plan, it becomes the PAC-10 in the sense it plays a 9 game round robin schedule.
 
Goldensilence said:
The weren't chased off. They left of their own free will. Nebraska left to pursue the money of the Big X network. Colorado probably left because it got an invite and the way things were looking they probably didn't want to get left out. Maybe they felt they were a better fit for the PAC-10. Really I just don't care.

Perhaps I just don't get the allure of 4 mega conferences? Do people really think that would've forced a playoff? Or are they pissed because they didn't see any REAL fireworks?

How come UT is getting the biggest blame? Financially yeah it was in their best interest but, no one is mentioning how a lot of other schools what's left of the Big 12 had just as much incentive to keep the conference together like Kansas, K-State, Baylor, Iowa State, and possibly Mizzou were going put in a position of irrelevance in a much smaller conference.
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Agree in part. Nebraska never liked the SWC teams joining the Big 8 and jumped the first chance they got. They were second fiddle in a conference when they were used to being the bully. You can't blame UT. They held the cards because they win and they set themselves up right.

As a TCU alum I wanted to see the mega conferences because it set TCU and the MWC schools up to add more teams and to become a player. It did lend itself to a better shot at a playoff system also. I just think the new 10 of the Big 12 is a little weak. They got their money but the conference isn't strong IMHO. They will have to add eventually to keep up with the SEC and Pac-10. In the long run, more money will be needed and these mega conferences will end up happening. To me this was a band-aid. Teams should have gone for the gold.

rmartin65 said:
I want conference championship games. So the PAC 10 needs to pick up one, and the Big 12 (10) needs to pick up two.
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I HATE conference championship games. Just creates havoc in the polls if someone has that one off day and it is all for money.
 
to anyone hating on Texas because they didn't go to the Pac10 or SEC, you would probably be hating on Texas if they left and screwed their other conference members. It's just hate and probably jealousy/envy.

Texas made the right move for itself and helped some of its conference brethren get a payraise in the process. As for the SEC and the question of academics, Texas gains nothing going to the SEC and it was never even considered a serious option.

The SEC does things their way and it works for them. Texas does things their way and SEC is not up to par with Big12 in academics. Much more of a student athlete atmosphere in Big12.

as for Texas' schedule, I think its pretty obvious they have to increase their out of conference schedule's difficulty. No doubt. It's not like their schedule is any easier, but the perception is that it is and when you couple that with no conference championship game, Texas would do well to add a decent team to its schedule. An annual TCU matchup makes sense especially now that TCU is trying to show that its a player in the BCS picture. If not TCU, then Notre Dame makes some sense as well.

As for Nebraska, they just got their panties in a wad over being exposed. UT exposed them as the fraud that they were, are, and always have been. They loved it when they played in the patty cake Big8 and went to the Rose Bowl every year. Now that they actually have other teams that can play football outside of OU, they got exposed.

And everyone hates on Mackovic, but he was a good recruiter (recruited Ricky) and he wasn't that bad. He won the first BigXII conference championship game and Nebraska got their feewings hurt.

Colorado is the big loser in all of this though. All the money they made with the move is now going to be spent on departure penalties and they could have gotten the same money by staying put.

PWNED BUFFS
 
HoustonFrog said:
Agree in part. Nebraska never liked the SWC teams joining the Big 8 and jumped the first chance they got. They were second fiddle in a conference when they were used to being the bully. You can't blame UT. They held the cards because they win and they set themselves up right.

As a TCU alum I wanted to see the mega conferences because it set TCU and the MWC schools up to add more teams and to become a player. It did lend itself to a better shot at a playoff system also. I just think the new 10 of the Big 12 is a little weak. They got their money but the conference isn't strong IMHO. They will have to add eventually to keep up with the SEC and Pac-10. In the long run, more money will be needed and these mega conferences will end up happening. To me this was a band-aid. Teams should have gone for the gold.
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Agree on the band aid part, but I think it will be a matter of time before what's left of the Big 12 goes for two more teams. I think those 2 are going to be TCU and UH. I just don't see a lot more options (well strong options) outside of those two except maybe trying to poach Arkansas off the SEC.

As a UTEP student I'd love to see us added, but the program just isn't there yet and with Mike Price at the helm it just might not ever get there.
 
Goldensilence said:
Agree on the band aid part, but I think it will be a matter of time before what's left of the Big 12 goes for two more teams. I think those 2 are going to be TCU and UH. I just don't see a lot more options (well strong options) outside of those two except maybe trying to poach Arkansas off the SEC.

As a UTEP student I'd love to see us added, but the program just isn't there yet and with Mike Price at the helm it just might not ever get there.
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I hope. Right now if Utah joins the Pac-10, it weakens the MWC...though adding Boise was great. I'm not sure if they will continue to try and add or just sit and wait. If the new Big 12 adds I see it being a year or more down the road....not anytime soon.

I think Price can do the job...but when he does he could leave in a heartbeat/
 
HoustonFrog said:
I hope. Right now if Utah joins the Pac-10, it weakens the MWC...though adding Boise was great. I'm not sure if they will continue to try and add or just sit and wait. If the new Big 12 adds I see it being a year or more down the road....not anytime soon.

I think Price can do the job...but when he does he could leave in a heartbeat/
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UH is making itself interesting with the stadium and arena upgrades. Not to mention Briles has them moving in the right direction in the W/L column.

Patterson really has TCU going strong. I know he just got national coach of the year, but they guy doesn't get enough credit for keeping things rolling at TCU after Franchione left. Speaking of which.... has he faded in oblivion?

Price has one more season to get the team back into the winning column. There were quite a number of people calling for his head after this last season. I'm really hoping Tim Floyd can keep the basketball team rolling. It sounds weird to to say that too.
 
Goldensilence said:
UH is making itself interesting with the stadium and arena upgrades. Not to mention Briles has them moving in the right direction in the W/L column.

Patterson really has TCU going strong. I know he just got national coach of the year, but they guy doesn't get enough credit for keeping things rolling at TCU after Franchione left. Speaking of which.... has he faded in oblivion?

Price has one more season to get the team back into the winning column. There were quite a number of people calling for his head after this last season. I'm really hoping Tim Floyd can keep the basketball team rolling. It sounds weird to to say that too.
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Goldensilence said:
The weren't chased off. They left of their own free will. Nebraska left to pursue the money of the Big X network. Colorado probably left because it got an invite and the way things were looking they probably didn't want to get left out. Maybe they felt they were a better fit for the PAC-10. Really I just don't care.

Perhaps I just don't get the allure of 4 mega conferences? Do people really think that would've forced a playoff? Or are they pissed because they didn't see any REAL fireworks?

How come UT is getting the biggest blame? Financially yeah it was in their best interest but, no one is mentioning how a lot of other schools what's left of the Big 12 had just as much incentive to keep the conference together like Kansas, K-State, Baylor, Iowa State, and possibly Mizzou were going put in a position of irrelevance in a much smaller conference.

If they keep it at 10, which looks like the initial plan, it becomes the PAC-10 in the sense it plays a 9 game round robin schedule.
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See here's what puzzles me, what is 15 or 20 million bucks to UT or A&M ?
Seriously, that's not even the sighning bonus of top picks in the NFL, and as we know NFL guys don't make the kind of money that NBA or MLB jocks do ?
What on earth is the annual budget of a UT, it must be measured in hundreds of millions, though I confess I don't know ?
If TV revenues were 150 - 200 million for these deals, OK, but 15 to 20 million has got to be chump change for big schools like UT, USC, Penn State,
ND, etc ?
 
Pulled this from an ESPN article. Here are the TV contracts by conference as it stands today, before the Big 12 ups the money with their new contract.

Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma would reportedly each receive at least
$20 million annually from a new Big 12 TV contract, comparable with what the top conference deals pay now.


Conference Amount of contract

Big Ten - $242 million
SEC - $205 million
Big 12 - $78 million
ACC - $67 million
Pacific-10 - $58 million
Big East - $33 million
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IDEXAN said:
See here's what puzzles me, what is 15 or 20 million bucks to UT or A&M ?
Seriously, that's not even the sighning bonus of top picks in the NFL, and as we know NFL guys don't make the kind of money that NBA or MLB jocks do ?
What on earth is the annual budget of a UT, it must be measured in hundreds of millions, though I confess I don't know ?
If TV revenues were 150 - 200 million for these deals, OK, but 15 to 20 million has got to be chump change for big schools like UT, USC, Penn State,
ND, etc ?
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Well included in each SCHOOL remember, they are more than just the next level of football after high school, have other things to pay like professors, maintenance on grounds and buildings, other workers....etc.

This money goes directly into their sports programs, which do make quite a bit of money, but don't represent all the school's annual revenue.
 
Goldensilence said:
UH is making itself interesting with the stadium and arena upgrades. Not to mention Briles has them moving in the right direction in the W/L column.

Patterson really has TCU going strong. I know he just got national coach of the year, but they guy doesn't get enough credit for keeping things rolling at TCU after Franchione left. Speaking of which.... has he faded in oblivion?

Price has one more season to get the team back into the winning column. There were quite a number of people calling for his head after this last season. I'm really hoping Tim Floyd can keep the basketball team rolling. It sounds weird to to say that too.
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I love the guy because he loves Ft. Worth and has been true to the school and his contracts so far. I think the Franchione thing is pretty funny. When he first turned TCU around his teams were known for running the ball well...LT...and defense. So his D Coordinator stays at TCU, Patterson, and he moves on to "better" things. Yet he couldn't repeat the success. To me that shows how much Patterson meant to that staff and teams. They go to bat for Patterson.
 
Goldensilence said:
How come UT is getting the biggest blame? Financially yeah it was in their best interest but, no one is mentioning how a lot of other schools what's left of the Big 12 had just as much incentive to keep the conference together like Kansas, K-State, Baylor, Iowa State, and possibly Mizzou were going put in a position of irrelevance in a much smaller conference.
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Because of reports like these..

A source close to the Pac-10's expansion negotiations told The Denver Post that Texas insisted on better revenue sharing and its own network, which essentially killed the deal.

"In the 11th hour, after months of telling us they understand the TV rights, they're trying to pull a fast one on the verge of sealing the deal in the regents meeting," the source said. "They want a better revenue sharing deal and their own network. Those were points of principle. (The Pac-10) wants to treat everyone fairly. It's been that way for months of discussions."
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From http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_15295447

It's easy to see that UT manipulated multiple entities to try and get the most money they possibly could from TV rights. They started this Texas Hold 'em expansion talk and when it didn't go as they planned, namely A&M keeping options open by talking to the SEC instead of getting in line to go to the Pac 16, they had to fall back and exert political and media pressure on other schools to accept a proposed higher money Big 12-2 deal that isn't guaranteed, does not have equal revenue sharing, and somehow goes up $~120 million by losing two conference members. I know that this deal benefits A&M financially over Tech or Baylor, but that doesn't mean I'm behind it. This conference will not last. UT administration is not some gleaming 11th hour white knight; it's been dealing behind closed doors and behind peoples backs the for months now trying to get it's best deal regardless of others.

Because Rivals.com seems to have funneled its coverage through the reporter with the chattiest source, you’ve primarily heard UT’s side of the story. And what a side of beef it is! Somehow, while Texas flirted with three different conferences - the Pac-10, the Big Ten and SEC - while stringing along its Big 12, and it remained a steadfast savior, the Boss Horn.

Garbage. Until Monday, the Longhorns appeared willing to drag a coalition of the half-willing to the Pac-10. It would have been, over time, a disaster. To repeat: Texas was courting its own demise trucking itself to a league that has been, and will continue to be, irrelevant to the East Coast unless USC’s on the tube.

The “savior” will now get to own and control its Longhorn Sports Network while Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri lick cowboy boots. They’ll be thankful, of course - what choice do they have? - but they’ll be hired hands on UT‘s ranch. No - check that - they're apprentices! They have to pay the penalty money accrued from Nebraska and Colorado to Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M just to stay!
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http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2010/06/14/4c16f930c2b32
 
pbat488 said:
Because of reports like these..



From http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_15295447

It's easy to see that UT manipulated multiple entities to try and get the most money they possibly could from TV rights.
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so did A&M
They started this Texas Hold 'em expansion talk and when it didn't go as they planned, namely A&M keeping options open by talking to the SEC instead of getting in line to go to the Pac 16, they had to fall back and exert political and media pressure on other schools to accept a proposed higher money Big 12-2 deal that isn't guaranteed, does not have equal revenue sharing, and somehow goes up $~120 million by losing two conference members.
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The Pac 10 had no guaranteed deal either. Like the Big 12-2, they were using hypothetical numbers that media consultants estimated the conference would generate. The Pac 16 has 6 more member schools to distribute among than the new Big 12, and an equal revenue split would benefit OSU and WSU far more than UT or A&M. For a major school a smaller conference with unequal distribution is as good or better than a huge conference with equal revenue sharing. That's probably a big reason why A&M supports this plan.

I know that this deal benefits A&M financially over Tech or Baylor, but that doesn't mean I'm behind it. This conference will not last. UT administration is not some gleaming 11th hour white knight; it's been dealing behind closed doors and behind peoples backs the for months now trying to get it's best deal regardless of others.
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UT did not start this. Nebraska has been flirting with the Big 10 for decades. Ditto Nebraska wrt the Big 10. It is amazing how NU can leave the Big 12 because they were lapped by not just UT, but also several other schools, to go to a conference where they have no ties to any other school. And they still blame UT for it. UT didn't go anywhere. They never threatened to bolt on their own (as A&M did), much less actually do so (like CU or NU).



http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2010/06/14/4c16f930c2b32
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What a hilariously biased article. Nebraska should change their color to green -- with envy. What, they think OSU and Michigan are just going to roll over and play dead in conference votes?

Nebraska is a probationary member of the Big 10. They only get half of the revenue that every other Big 10+2 school gets, and they have to pay IIRC 5 million a year to the Big 12-2 for ditching them (cause Texas made them do it, of course). They definitely win out as far as their schedule goes, but they are going to have a tough time competing in the Big 10+2. We are talking about a school whose "resurgence" consists of two 4 loss seasons in arguably the crappiest division in a BCS conference. Although I do think the Big 10's power is concentrated in the East and the bottom feeders of the Big 10 are primarily in the West, so a divisional setup might benefit them the same way that the Big 12 North did.
 
Before all of this started, the Big 12 was arguably the second best football conference in the country (after SEC of course), but now by losing Nebraska
and BSU moving to the Mountain converence, the Big 12 is probably about the 5th best football conference (at best ?).
So then, UT is still the Big 12s Big Fish, but it's pond keeps shrinking, and it's conference is now more unstable than ever.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
to anyone hating on Texas because they didn't go to the Pac10 or SEC, you would probably be hating on Texas if they left and screwed their other conference members. It's just hate and probably jealousy/envy.

Texas made the right move for itself and helped some of its conference brethren get a payraise in the process. As for the SEC and the question of academics, Texas gains nothing going to the SEC and it was never even considered a serious option.

The SEC does things their way and it works for them. Texas does things their way and SEC is not up to par with Big12 in academics. Much more of a student athlete atmosphere in Big12.

as for Texas' schedule, I think its pretty obvious they have to increase their out of conference schedule's difficulty. No doubt. It's not like their schedule is any easier, but the perception is that it is and when you couple that with no conference championship game, Texas would do well to add a decent team to its schedule. An annual TCU matchup makes sense especially now that TCU is trying to show that its a player in the BCS picture. If not TCU, then Notre Dame makes some sense as well.

As for Nebraska, they just got their panties in a wad over being exposed. UT exposed them as the fraud that they were, are, and always have been. They loved it when they played in the patty cake Big8 and went to the Rose Bowl every year. Now that they actually have other teams that can play football outside of OU, they got exposed.

And everyone hates on Mackovic, but he was a good recruiter (recruited Ricky) and he wasn't that bad. He won the first BigXII conference championship game and Nebraska got their feewings hurt.

Colorado is the big loser in all of this though. All the money they made with the move is now going to be spent on departure penalties and they could have gotten the same money by staying put.

PWNED BUFFS
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Texas just had a sweet opportunity to change this pathetic course that college football has been on for years and years where they could have been the leader in making a much better competition for the fans to potentially bringing a playoff and they completely blew it out of greed and to remain the big fish in the small pond. I've been a die hard Texas fan since I was born, but Texas pulled one huge puss move here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, college football is a business, but hell Texas already has more money than anyone. Now all Texas did was help to make the BIG 12 even worse and more boring than it already is. They're not out there trying to expand either. They just want to keep things remaining as they are with no playoffs where they have an easy road to a NC, and that's disappointing coming from a fan that wants to see the best teams match up from year to year. We don't get that since there is no playoff, so I'd rather see my team face tough competition year in and year out other even if that means losing a game or two instead of some phony National Championship where their schedule had like 3 competitive games on there. Texas disappointed me big time with this and they also pissed off Millions of other college football fans create the revenue of this sport.
 
pbat488 said:
Shocked, pissed, angry; however you want to put it, that's how I'm feeling. We just pissed away a golden opportunity to land in the most stable conference in the country to stay in a conference that will probably be gone in 5 years.

Utter shock at how short-sighted and yellow-bellied A&Ms Board of Regents and President are.

Can't wait for Kyle to have thousands of empty seats playing Iowa State and K State instead of playing to packed houses for every SEC home game.
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A&M would of been absolute bottom feeders in the SEC for years.....they're doing the best they can just to not be bottom feeders in the "Big 10"
 
Texecutioner said:
Texas just had a sweet opportunity to change this pathetic course that college football has been on for years and years where they could have been the leader in making a much better competition for the fans to potentially bringing a playoff and they completely blew it out of greed and to remain the big fish in the small pond. I've been a die hard Texas fan since I was born, but Texas pulled one huge puss move here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, college football is a business, but hell Texas already has more money than anyone. Now all Texas did was help to make the BIG 12 even worse and more boring than it already is. They're not out there trying to expand either. They just want to keep things remaining as they are with no playoffs where they have an easy road to a NC, and that's disappointing coming from a fan that wants to see the best teams match up from year to year. We don't get that since there is no playoff, so I'd rather see my team face tough competition year in and year out other even if that means losing a game or two instead of some phony National Championship where their schedule had like 3 competitive games on there. Texas disappointed me big time with this and they also pissed off Millions of other college football fans create the revenue of this sport.
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75% of people polled on sportsnation just said they agreed with Texas' decision to stay in the big 12.
 
Carr Bombed said:
75% of people polled on sportsnation just said they agreed with Texas' decision to stay in the big 12.
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Probably a bunch of bratty Texas fans that just want to play a cake schedule every year so they can brag to other fans and stick their chests out. I love Texas and always will, but they just made an epic fail here as far as the scope of college football is concerned. I'm a football fan first and foremost and care about watching the best competition possible before I care about seeing my team just pick apart inferior teams with terrible talent. As a Texas fan I'm tired of watching the majority of their games as blowouts or as match ups that I can't even get excited for.

This could have been the biggest potential step towards a playoff down the road and they blew it. Now we get more of the same arguing every year and bitching from fans all over the country about who had a better schedule and when Texas dominates this market down here as usual NO ONE around the rest of the country is going to give them as much respect anymore.

If there was a playoff, I wouldn't be bothered by this. But since there isn't, all I care about is seeing the best match ups take place and the best teams play each other win or lose. That's what sports and competition are for.
 
Dan B. said:
The Pac 10 had no guaranteed deal either. Like the Big 12-2, they were using hypothetical numbers that media consultants estimated the conference would generate.
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That doesn't explain how losing two schools (including a fairly large, albeit not total, media market of Denver, and one of the most nationally recognized and fanatically followed schools in Nebraska) will increase the TV rights revenue from ~$80 million to around ~$200.

Dan B. said:
UT did not start this. Nebraska has been flirting with the Big 10 for decades. Ditto Nebraska wrt the Big 10. It is amazing how NU can leave the Big 12 because they were lapped by not just UT, but also several other schools, to go to a conference where they have no ties to any other school. And they still blame UT for it. They never threatened to bolt on their own (as A&M did), much less actually do so (like CU or NU).
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A&M didn't threaten anyone. Where in all the press releases or statements has it said that A&M talking to the SEC was used as a threat against UT and the Big 12? UT did all the threatening by effectively getting Tech, OU, and OSU to go along with itself in blackballing A&M in athletics if A&M went to the SEC and others went to the Pac 16. All A&M had done was it had not yet committed to a Pac 16 conference it wasn't sure it wanted to be in.

Carr Bombed said:
A&M would of been absolute bottom feeders in the SEC for years.....they're doing the best they can just to not be bottom feeders in the "Big 10"
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Yeah, most likely, in football at least. In basketball we'd be one of the top 4 teams, and baseball isn't far behind. Track and field I think it's safe to say we'd be number 1. Academically we'd be in the top 3 or 4. But most importantly, culturally we'd fit right in. That is something that A&M bashers seem to not understand. We'd rather be a big fish in a giant sea than a pilot fish following around the most arrogant shark in the pond.
 
Texecutioner said:
Probably a bunch of bratty Texas fans that just want to play a cake schedule every year so they can brag to other fans and stick their chests out. I love Texas and always will, but they just made an epic fail here as far as the scope of college football is concerned. I'm a football fan first and foremost and care about watching the best competition possible before I care about seeing my team just pick apart inferior teams with terrible talent. As a Texas fan I'm tired of watching the majority of their games as blowouts or as match ups that I can't even get excited for.

This could have been the biggest potential step towards a playoff down the road and they blew it. Now we get more of the same arguing every year and bitching from fans all over the country about who had a better schedule and when Texas dominates this market down here as usual NO ONE around the rest of the country is going to give them as much respect anymore.

If there was a playoff, I wouldn't be bothered by this. But since there isn't, all I care about is seeing the best match ups take place and the best teams play each other win or lose. That's what sports and competition are for.
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How did the schedule get so much easier just by losing Nebraska (even if they were coming back, they've been down for about a decade) and Colorado? All Texas has to do is schedule tougher opponents....and they'll have to in the long run, because if the new big 12 sucks. Voters aren't going to let them skate towards a top ranking just on wins alone....especially with no Championship game.


They didn't want to join the Pac 10, because they wanted their own TV deal......and because they're Texas, they shouldn't have to join somebody else's conference, especially a hippie league like the Pac 10. As soon as they automatically black balled Baylor, just because Baylor is a Christian university I wouldn't absolutely NOTHING to do with the Pac 10.
 
pbat488 said:
Yeah, most likely, in football at least. In basketball we'd be one of the top 4 teams, and baseball isn't far behind. Track and field I think it's safe to say we'd be number 1. Academically we'd be in the top 3 or 4. But most importantly, culturally we'd fit right in. That is something that A&M bashers seem to not understand. We'd rather be a big fish in a giant sea than a pilot fish following around the most arrogant shark in the pond.
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Football is king......unless you're Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, or Duke....it's the deciding factor on everything.

A&M would've got absolutely owned in the SEC.
 
Carr Bombed said:
How did the schedule get so much easier just by losing Nebraska (even if they were coming back, they've been down for about a decade) and Colorado? All Texas has to do is schedule tougher opponents....and they'll have to in the long run, because if the new big 12 sucks. Voters aren't going to let them skate towards a top ranking just on wins alone....especially with no Championship game.


They didn't want to join the Pac 10, because they wanted their own TV deal......and because they're Texas, they shouldn't have to join somebody else's conference, especially a hippie league like the Pac 10. As soon as they automatically black balled Baylor, just because Baylor is a Christian university I wouldn't absolutely NOTHING to do with the Pac 10.
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As former Austin resident with no other UT-Austin connection, hippiedom seems to fit that city pretty well (and for me that is not a bad thing)
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
As former Austin resident with no other UT-Austin connection, hippiedom seems to fit that city pretty well (and for me that is not a bad thing)
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Austin is laid back, but it's still Texas.

I don't really have a problem with hippies, but I do have a problem with people who smell their own farts (South Park style)

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Carr Bombed said:
Football is king......unless you're Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, or Duke....it's the deciding factor on everything.

A&M would've got absolutely owned in the SEC.
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Yeah, at first. I concede that. But given time to acclimate to how the SEC plays, and time to bring in new life and clear out the dead weight of the Coach Fran era with Coach Sherm, I would and still see a bright future for Texas A&M football in the SEC and the new Big 12, respectively.

"From the outside looking in, you can't understand it. From the inside looking out, you can't explain it."
 
lol the Texas hatred is running rampant in this thread.

Yall are all right. Texas is the devil, and the other colleges are so pure and innocent.
 
Texecutioner said:
Texas just had a sweet opportunity to change this pathetic course that college football has been on for years and years where they could have been the leader in making a much better competition for the fans to potentially bringing a playoff and they completely blew it out of greed and to remain the big fish in the small pond. I've been a die hard Texas fan since I was born, but Texas pulled one huge puss move here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, college football is a business, but hell Texas already has more money than anyone. Now all Texas did was help to make the BIG 12 even worse and more boring than it already is. They're not out there trying to expand either. They just want to keep things remaining as they are with no playoffs where they have an easy road to a NC, and that's disappointing coming from a fan that wants to see the best teams match up from year to year. We don't get that since there is no playoff, so I'd rather see my team face tough competition year in and year out other even if that means losing a game or two instead of some phony National Championship where their schedule had like 3 competitive games on there. Texas disappointed me big time with this and they also pissed off Millions of other college football fans create the revenue of this sport.
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I agree with the possibilities of the future of NCAA football by moving to the Pac10, but I don't think Texas is to blame for staying. I think that had A&M buddied up with the rest of the Big 12 south in the Pac10 move or jumped into the SEC, Texas would have certainly gone through with it. I think A&M is the one to blame or thank for not creating the shake up.
 
Carr Bombed said:
How did the schedule get so much easier just by losing Nebraska (even if they were coming back, they've been down for about a decade) and Colorado? All Texas has to do is schedule tougher opponents....and they'll have to in the long run, because if the new big 12 sucks. Voters aren't going to let them skate towards a top ranking just on wins alone....especially with no Championship game.
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Texas almost lost to Nebraska last season. Barely slid out of that game by a second. If Texas wanted to stay in the BIG 12, then fine, TRY TO EXPAND then and make that a super conference. At least do something to get the fans of the sport excited instead of just trying to pave the easiest road to a NC every year by scheduling these cake teams every year, and hell I'm a Texas fan and I want this, so that right there speaks to pretty high volumes. I'd rather see my favorite players compete against the best there is in college football. Playing Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas every year or every other year isn't doing that. I really only get excited for like 3 or 4 Texas games a year now and quite frankly THAT SUCKS!

As far as Texas scheduling a bunch of tough opponents, I won't hold my breath on that for one bit. They want the easy road to the NC.


Carr Bombed said:
They didn't want to join the Pac 10, because they wanted their own TV deal......and because they're Texas, they shouldn't have to join somebody else's conference, especially a hippie league like the Pac 10. As soon as they automatically black balled Baylor, just because Baylor is a Christian university I wouldn't absolutely NOTHING to do with the Pac 10.
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I don't even see why Baylor had to be involved with this. And who cares if the Pac 10 didn't want them because of the whole "christian University" thing. It seems to me that Baylor was and is a liability as far as expansion and as far as being a valid match up every year then. Baylor brings nothing to the table and they also made it to where we couldn't bring TCU into the BIG 12 because of their silly politics between each other.

This is just about Texas wanting to stay as the big fish in the small pond and to control everything basically and the money more than anything. Sorry, but as a fan I don't benefit from the extra profits these old men are pocketing every year. I'm just a football fan that wants to see the best teams paly each other and since there is no playoff the best I can hope for is schedules that provide that. Texas just stopped that from happening not only for them but for tons of other schools all throughout college football because their decision and influence here just put a halt to everything. It's embarrassing actually.
 
Super Mario said:
lol the Texas hatred is running rampant in this thread.

Yall are all right. Texas is the devil, and the other colleges are so pure and innocent.
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It's not like the other colleges were forced to stay... Oklahoma has just as much pull and if just a couple of colleges moved (like A&M) they would've easily forced Texas' hand.

But since Texas is consistently the best team in the conference.....they catch all the heat. :rolleyes:
 
pbat488 said:
Yeah, at first. I concede that. But given time to acclimate to how the SEC plays, and time to bring in new life and clear out the dead weight of the Coach Fran era with Coach Sherm, I would and still see a bright future for Texas A&M football in the SEC and the new Big 12, respectively.

"From the outside looking in, you can't understand it. From the inside looking out, you can't explain it."
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Dude, I love the Aggies and all, but I can't imagine A&M recruiting against LSU, Florida and Alabama. There is just no chance that they would compete for recruits until Urban Meyer and Nick Saban quit coaching. Either way, they still have to compete with Mack Brown. I just don't see them getting much better in the near future by jumping to the SEC. Now this year they might be able to do something in the Big 12, but I think the best they will do is #3 in the South.
 
I wonder if Nebraska is having any second thoughts after seeing the revised TV deal that the teams in the Big 12 leveraged out of this arrangement.
 
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