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AJ no show/now back to work

gtexan02 said:
Ive been following this team since its inception, and if I saw that guy on the street, I wouldn't look twice. No way would I recognize him as one of our guys
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I would, but there's players on this team that I wouldn't notice if I saw them on the street, such as Antwaun Molden...since we never even see him on the field. Hell I'd have to look it up to see what # he wears, because it's been that long since I've seen him on the field.
 
gtexan02 said:
AJ yes, but the rest of them? I could pick out probably 10 or so players by faces alone. The rest? doubt it


Example: Who is this?

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Hint: He is a starter
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Ya I guess it depends on the player.

At first I thought it was Slaton haha.
 
That's just ****ing great. Awesome, cherry on top of a ****ing shitty offseason. I just have a sense of foreboding rather than optimism this season. Our offseason has been terrible. I am dying for playoffs but I just don't like what I am seeing from the Texans. I hope and pray that I am wrong.
 
You know, it's just our luck. Right when the Texans are about to finally win a Super Bowl a giant meteor strikes the earth and kills us all.
 
AJ has been my favorite player in the league since he was drafted. That's never changed and won't regardless of what team he ever ends up on. While I am upset that this couldn't happen at a worse time, I understand his side as well as the teams side. With the potential lockout, who knows how things will turn out later.

I say "Pay the man. Pay that man his money."
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He's earned everything given so far and then some. Perhaps just give a large signing/incentive bonus, maybe backload the actual salary. Don't care, but mark my words... No AJ, no playoffs. At least not this year.
 
gtexan02 said:
ha, right. But I'd be willing to bet you that most texans fans would not recognize the majority of our team.

The elite top guys, they are easy. You see them on ads, on the website, etc. But the rest of the guys, even the starters, you rarely see without their helmets on.
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I could probably name a decent number from their pictures but if you see them at the grocery store, more often than not you'd be pretty sure they were a Texans but could exactly pin point it. Then you run the risk if it's just a big black dude and you look like an *****! lol edit: **** = it-e-it

This would actually be a lot of fun to do. Maybe a "Name that Texan" thread where you just see a head shot. For instance, I wouldn't recognize this guy if he sat next to me on the airplane... but he's kind of one of our favorites!

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Ring....Ring....Ring...

AJ: Hello, this is Andre Johnson

RS: Andre, it's Rick

AJ: Rick?

RS: Yeah, Rick Smith.

AJ: Our old defensive coordinator?

RS: No that was Richard - this is Rick.

AJ: Sorry - I'm gonna need a little more than that

RS: I work with Gary

AJ: Not helping

RS: I work for Gary

AJ: Oh yeah, now I got it. What's up?

RS: Well, we've had this thing with going on with Cushing for a while now

AJ: Yeah, I think I might have heard something about that

RS: And we think that it's time for the next big thing to divert attention from that

AJ: Yeah, so?

RS: Well, we were thinking if you could just make a little noise about your contract...

AJ: But I'm happy with my contract

RS: Oh don't worry, we're not planning on changing anything about it, it's just that with all the goodwill you've built up, we're thinking that you could weather things better than Cush, plus, a contract situation's not near as big a deal as a suspension.

AJ: So what do I do...
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And there you have it!
 
scourge said:
AJ has been my favorite player in the league since he was drafted. That's never changed and won't regardless of what team he ever ends up on. While I am upset that this couldn't happen at a worse time, I understand his side as well as the teams side. With the potential lockout, who knows how things will turn out later.

I say "Pay the man. Pay that man his money."
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He's earned everything given so far and then some. Perhaps just give a large signing/incentive bonus, maybe backload the actual salary. Don't care, but mark my words... No AJ, no playoffs. At least not this year.
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There's no need to pay him right now. He has absolutely no leverage....he's barely into the contract that he signed and he's not going to sit out the whole season.

Don't pay the man........atleast not this year. Sorry AJ, but you have no leverage here....maybe if you get the Texans into the playoffs we'll talk next year.
 
For those on the season ticket payment plan, your final payment's due TOMORROW! I would declare a season ticket payment holdout if I wasn't all paid up.

:fans:
 
HJam72 said:
Eh, he was overrated. :tomato:

:jk:

Can't believe this.
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I'm going to be crushed when I find out he was just a system player and therefore easily replaceable. :)
 
(Sigh)

We need a :damnit: smiley emoticon

I don't even have any words for this crap.
 
infantrycak said:
Holy over reaction batman. How do you know this is some calculated opportunity for success thing rather than a realization he didn't get as much as he should/could last time and seeing the contracts of guys like Fitzgerald who the next year signed a contract averaging $10 mil per year?
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Maybe it's an overreaction. But, it is due to disappointment. If I knew him to be a "me" guy then I probably wouldn't react quite as harshly. I was surprised and disappointed. If he attends the mandatory stuff, then I think it isn't too big of a deal. But, let me explain:

If this strategy is effective, it is because the organization feels it has an opportunity to win (or pressure to do so). His holdout is threatening the team's ability to have success. That is what he is counting on... for the Texans to think "man, we can win this division but we need AJ to beat Indy, so we better give him what he wants"... That is appalling to me. Nobody made him sign that deal three years ago. It was something he wanted to do. Now, he's played less than half of it out and he's going to holdout? If he wants to be the highest paid receiver each year then his strategy should be to sign one year contracts. But, of course, he wants the security of the long term deal.... until it is inconvenient for him. Hard to sympathize with a guy that has made the money he has.
 
Runner said:
On the Cushing threads, your buddy Barrett calls such quick change of opinion based on little information "knee-jerk".

To me it's funny how fast players fall out of favor around here.
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Yeah, I was a little knee-jerk with this. It happens. If he's in min-camp, it'll be fine. That being said, the Cushing situation is somewhat different. Nobody knows the truth with him. Regarding AJ, Rick Smith said he's not at OTAs due to a contract dispute. I'm confident Rick Smith isn't lying or misinformed about that.
 
dalemurphy said:
Regarding AJ, Rick Smith said he's not at OTAs due to a contract dispute.
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So this single statement justifies the vitriol and totally redefines Andre Johnson as a human being? Can you imagine any details about the situation that aren't known that may have an opposite effect?

Maybe the fans' collective imagination has been burnt out on finding obscure Cushing what-ifs.
 
I'm all out of room in my brain for any additional Houston Texan crises. I can't be bothered with this. I'd have to forget something in order to clear brain space for any concern to be applied to this situation.
 
From Adam Schefter's Twitter:

Not sure exactly how this happened, but over the past 10 days, the Houston Texans have morphed into a huge headline-making machine.
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Andre Johnson negotiated his last deal by himself, using an uncle as an advisor. Saved himself three percent and cost himself 100 percent.
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Agree with the second one. This is why there are professional agents who do this for a living.
 
Move him, he's 30 next summer but right now he's still got some real value.
He's healthy, like I say still < 30, at the top of his game, and without question one of the 2 or 3 best WRS in the game.
The thing is if we go 7-9 or 6-10 this year (it could really happen, just look at that schedule), then next year after no playoffs again he's gonna be really unhappy and flatout demand a trade.
I don't expect McNair to do it, but it's the best business decision which is obviously what's motivating Johnson & his unc.
 
IDEXAN said:
Move him, he's 30 next summer but right now he's still got some real value.
He's healthy, like I say still < 30, at the top of his game, and without question one of the 2 or 3 best WRS in the game.
The thing is if we go 7-9 or 6-10 this year (it could really happen, just look at that schedule), then next year after no playoffs again he's gonna be really unhappy and flatout demand a trade.
I don't expect McNair to do it, but it's the best business decision which is obviously what's motivating Johnson & his unc.
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So are you saying we should just concede everything, and pretty much roll over in a ditch and die?
 
IDEXAN said:
Move him, he's 30 next summer but right now he's still got some real value.
He's healthy, like I say still < 30, at the top of his game, and without question one of the 2 or 3 best WRS in the game.
The thing is if we go 7-9 or 6-10 this year (it could really happen, just look at that schedule), then next year after no playoffs again he's gonna be really unhappy and flatout demand a trade.
I don't expect McNair to do it, but it's the best business decision which is obviously what's motivating Johnson & his unc.
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Would you really want to see this offense without AJ? Seriously.

He is the beacon of hope.

Now, if he refuses to play, yeah, trade him, take the value hit.

We don't have a #1 WR. Andre Davis isn't going to cut it. Not anymore.
 
Rey said:
So are you saying we should just concede everything, and pretty much roll over in a ditch and die?
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As I said the Texans should look upon this as a business opportunity. They now have the perfect excuse to sound out the market, under the radar of course.
You'd think they'd be able to get the kind of deal Detroit got from Dallas for Williams (amazing what a stupid move that was by Dallas ?), but even Andre Johnson might not bring a first-round & middle-round pick since he's pushing 30 ?
 
IDEXAN said:
Move him, he's 30 next summer but right now he's still got some real value.
He's healthy, like I say still < 30, at the top of his game, and without question one of the 2 or 3 best WRS in the game.
The thing is if we go 7-9 or 6-10 this year (it could really happen, just look at that schedule), then next year after no playoffs again he's gonna be really unhappy and flatout demand a trade.
I don't expect McNair to do it, but it's the best business decision which is obviously what's motivating Johnson & his unc.
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Andre Johnson still has atleast another 5 years of dominant play left. You don't trade him, that would be a stupid business decision and would hurt your franchise.
 
Rey said:
So are you saying we should just concede everything, and pretty much roll over in a ditch and die?
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Why not? It wasn't that long ago he couldn't catch more than a two yard slant. He ruined Dave Carr.

:sarcasm:
 
IDEXAN said:
As I said the Texans should look upon this as a business opportunity. They now have the perfect excuse to sound out the market, under the radar of course.
You'd think they'd be able to get the kind of deal Detroit got from Dallas for Williams (amazing what a stupid move that was by Dallas ?), but even Andre Johnson might not bring a first-round & middle-round pick since he's pushing 30 ?
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I kinda understand what you're saying, but trading AJ changes the entire outlook of our season.

Our best player on offense and our best player on defense gone (for 4 wks)...

That's giving me the shivers...
 
Well...if they can just re-negotiate it....i though Andre adjusted his contract to save us money =/

this is annoying...especially since Jackson won't be getting schooled by Andre in preparation for the other ppl he'll have to go up against.

Come on Andre, spare us the pain....Cushing now this...ugh....
 
Don't trade him! Cut him Rick!

We need to send a message to players around the league. "This is Houston, you're not getting paid huge bank unless you're wildly overrated."
 
No More 8-8's said:
Jesus, what ever happened to honoring your freakin" contract! I could easily understand Chris Johnson situation in regards to his contract, but Andre already got his mega deal.

This offseason does not need anymore drama.
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The NFL screwed this up. They can cut players for any reason and not have to pay them, other than the "guaranteed money". I think all contracts should be "guaranteed" by both parties and this nonsense would stop. Also, if a player doesn't honor HIS contract (i.e., holding out), they should be penalized. Not just forfeiting a paycheck, but actually having to PAY money.
 
Goatcheese said:
Don't trade him! Cut him Rick!

We need to send a message to players around the league. "This is Houston, you're not getting paid huge bank unless you're wildly overrated."
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This notion that the Texans are "cheap" or that Bob McNair doesn't pay players is just ridiculous. This isn't baseball, where you can pay any player any amount of money, or the NBA where you pay a "luxury tax" for overpaying players. You have a budget you MUST work under called the salary cap. You give Dunta $23MM and OD $10MM, how do you sign DeMeco? You give Andre $30MM, how do you keep OD? It's messy, and it's tricky, and you have to pay players value while still fitting under the cap.

So tired of people calling McNair "cheap".
 
Players in sports that get to elite status are extremely competitive. They want to win everywhere, not just off the field. AJ is being paid well (so is everyone else in the league). But he's not being paid in line with his performance compared to other players.

His contract is outdated and he wants to "compete" with the other premium players at his position for the top salary.

Business is business. He's in a perfect position to make these demands, coming off of back to back #1 WR in the NFL seasons. Players like him and Revis are welcome to renegotiate when they've shown they are the creme de la creme at their position yet aren't being paid in the top 3-5 players each year.
 
Runner said:
So this single statement justifies the vitriol and totally redefines Andre Johnson as a human being? Can you imagine any details about the situation that aren't known that may have an opposite effect?

Maybe the fans' collective imagination has been burnt out on finding obscure Cushing what-ifs.
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I said that I overreacted. Can't I be disappointed in the guy's decision-making here? I'd love to hear your theory as to how this no show regarding his contract isn't a selfish and unjustified money grab.
 
Super Mario said:
Haha I love it. The only time a player has the advantage over the owner is when he is one of the top 10-20 players in the NFL. I dont care what contract he signed 3 years ago. If AJ thinks he deserves more then let the man negotiate. If a owner doesnt want to pay a player he can terminate the contract. I think the same should go for the players. And if this is about contract "stuff" then I am fine with it.

Take em to the bank AJ.
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sometexansfan said:
The guy has had back to back 1500 yard seasons for us, he's the best WR in the NFL! If he wants to get paid like it, fine by me.
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Rey said:
If I was a player I would not be concerned with honoring a contract when owners are not held to the same standards. They can pretty much cut a player at anytime and only have the salary cap to worry about.

All this time I kept thinking that AJ was a better man than me because if I was the top (1 or 2) player at my position I'd want to be paid like it. Well, I guess he isn't a better man than me and we are basically the same...Good for you AJ...get your money.
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chicagotexan2 said:
I think he has earned it in fact exceeded it. I'm sure they can find a way to not ruin our cap space. Andre Johnson is an elite player.
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All of the above. Pay the man. He's earned it and deserves it.

IIRC, AJ restructured his existing contract in order to clear up cap space so the team could sign more talent. He was a hero to everyone back then when he did it, but I guess that goodwill only goes so far.

This is just business, and AJ is not holding out, only not showing up to voluntary workouts.

I have absolutely no doubt that he will be there when it matters.
 
dalemurphy said:
I said that I overreacted. Can't I be disappointed in the guy's decision-making here? I'd love to hear your theory as to how this no show regarding his contract isn't a selfish and unjustified money grab.
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I don't make up theories to protect the Texans and it's players. I'm just pointing out the inconsistency that one statement from one person justifies trashing the player with the most good will in the organization, when in other cases there can never be enough information to draw a negative conclusion.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Business is business. He's in a perfect position to make these demands, coming off of back to back #1 WR in the NFL seasons. Players like him and Revis are welcome to renegotiate when they've shown they are the creme de la creme at their position yet aren't being paid in the top 3-5 players each year.
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Except he's not in a "perfect situation to make these demands".

He's got 5 years left on his contract and hasn't even played out half the length of his current contract. HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO LEVERAGE. Houston would be absolutely stupid to tear up that contract during this offseason.

The guy doesn't have a leg to stand on. You simply tell him, Andre we already have a contract with you, so when you are ready to be with your team and play, give us a call.
 
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