Potential reasons for not drafting a FS

[Second Honeymoon]

They screwed the pooch
no other way to explain it
failure to address FS and C is a travesty
their cavalier and spendthrift view on FA set this in motion
if they can lure sharper here they get mulligan

if building through the draft is our nodus operandi it would be nice to have someone who knows what the he'll they are doing
8 TE or converted TE in 4 drafts just shows some sort of TE fetish
can we address long neglected areas of need

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

They screwed the pooch
no other way to explain it
failure to address FS and C is a travesty
their cavalier and spendthrift view on FA set this in motion
if they can lure sharper here they get mulligan

if building through the draft is our nodus operandi it would be nice to have someone who knows what the he'll they are doing
8 TE or converted TE in 4 drafts just shows some sort of TE fetish
can we address long neglected areas of need

You could say that or you can look at a team like NO who just won a SB and see waht they did compared to their needs .

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/tracker#dt-by-round-input:1/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:no

 

[Maddict5]

As already pointed out, they lucked into Pollard who is a plus player but not all world. Wilson is servicable/decent with good range when healthy which happens about as often as me going to Tahiti. Both guys were scrap heap players who were waived from other teams, and both were lucked into more than some great plan. Behind the two starters they have the equivelent of 5 day old bread - moldy, smelly and something you want to throw away at the sight of it. Is THAT a great plan for a team wanting to make the playoffs I ask? If one of these guys goes down for any length of team, Barber and his merry band of clueless losers masquerading as legit NFL backups gets to have the teams fate in thier hands. Oh joy.

why do people just ignore the fact that barber played well at the end of last yr? ya he made a couple f' ups earlier in the season but after his benching, he came back a much better player

 

[beerlover]

current regime track record is legit when it comes to developing system safties. pretty sure they would use a higher draft pick if the player on the board fit their system & was at the top of their list. then again why use a draft pick when you can pluck off another roster on the cheap? Both Pollard & Wilson were 2nd rd. picks, have valued NFL experience & as such are starters.

Texans used a 5th on Brandon Harrison (07) that didn't work out. A 6th on Dominque Barber (08) who they really like & has flashed when healthy. And 7th on Troy Nolan who broke his leg before last season started.

My gut tells me if something bad happens to this position during the 2010 season, like it did to the RB's last year, the Texans draft board will reflect that early in the draft (UNC defensive back Deunta Williams) or they go after a premium free agent (depending on collective bargining agreement fallout).

Who knows how McManis develops? will he be used in nickle packages only or provide some FS depth? Glover Quinn could also step in immediately & help he has the cover & physical skill set to one heck of a FS if they so choose.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

current regime track record is legit when it comes to developing system safties. pretty sure they would use a higher draft pick if the player on the board fit their system & was at the top of their list. then again why use a draft pick when you can pluck off another roster on the cheap? Both Pollard & Wilson were 2nd rd. picks, have valued NFL experience & as such are starters.

Texans used a 5th on Brandon Harrison (07) that didn't work out. A 6th on Dominque Barber (08) who they really like & has flashed when healthy. And 7th on Troy Nolan who broke his leg before last season started.

My gut tells me if something bad happens to this position during the 2010 season, like it did to the RB's last year, the Texans draft board will reflect that early in the draft (UNC defensive back Deunta Williams) or they go after a premium free agent (depending on collective bargining agreement fallout).

Who knows how McManis develops? will he be used in nickle packages only or provide some FS depth? Glover Quinn could also step in immediately & help he has the cover & physical skill set to one heck of a FS if they so choose.

To me , it's like furnishing your house . Are you gonna buy a coffee table first or a bed ? You look for a nice table on sale but your not going to pay a lot , you look for a sale . Do you look for a cheap bed , hell no , you want a bed that's comfortable .

The four things I think you have to have as a SB contending team .

1. QB ... bed
2. LT ... fridge
3. shutdown CB ... TV
4. pass rushing demon ... oven

 

[beerlover]

To me , it's like furnishing your house . Are you gonna buy a coffee table first or a bed ? You look for a nice table on sale but your not going to pay a lot , you look for a sale . Do you look for a cheap bed , hell no , you want a bed that's comfortable .

The four things I think you have to have as a SB contending team .

1. QB ... bed
2. LT ... fridge
3. shutdown CB ... TV
4. pass rushing demon ... oven

the fridge doesn't do you any good if its empty ... beer ... rest of OL.

 

[steelbtexan]

I watched the draft special on Sunday night on Ch 13, where Bob Allen talked about the draft with Smith and Kubiak and Allen brought up the fact that some people were questioning why they had not picked any safeties and their reply was that they were satisfied with the safeties they already had and did not see it as an area of need.

Which makes me ? Smithiak's competence.

They are one injury away from having the same crap at the S position they had for the first 3 games last season.

Trading up using future draft picks and selecting Burnett or Wright in the 3rd rd. would've been the way to go. IMHO

 

[LikeMike]

I think the team`s needs going into the draft were:

1.CB
2.HB
3.FS/DT/O-Line

Now they took care of the first two needs with their first 2 picks. After that they took the highest player on their list at a need position (face it, the potential starting FSs were gone when our 3d pick came up). After that you shouldn`t really strictyl draft for need, but for best player available that you have a use for. If there would`ve been a FS they really liked they`d taken him. But there wasn`t so they decided to go with LB depth (and potential starter), TE security, O-Line depth, more DB depth, Kick Return specialist and WR depth.

I too would`ve loved to get Thomas, Allen or Taylor Mays... but they weren`t availabe when we could`ve picked them.

And in the end, FS might not be that big of a need position that we think it is... but right now I´m pretty sure we`ll adress FS early in next years draft.

 

[steelbtexan]

Next year or the next year or the next year......

 

[JB]

Next year or the next year or the next year......

I am sure that whenever the powers that be of the time think FS is an issue, it will be addressed. Our team has made steady progress and continues to add players. If they are comfortable with the Safety situation, then I will give it a chance. It's the first of March for God's sake. If this is not the time to be optimistic, then when? Surely you don;t enjoy being negative all the time.

 

[ObsiWan]

I think the team`s needs going into the draft were:

1.CB
2.HB
3.FS/DT/O-Line

Now they took care of the first two needs with their first 2 picks. After that they took the highest player on their list at a need position (face it, the potential starting FSs were gone when our 3d pick came up). After that you shouldn`t really strictyl draft for need, but for best player available that you have a use for. If there would`ve been a FS they really liked they`d taken him. But there wasn`t so they decided to go with LB depth (and potential starter), TE security, O-Line depth, more DB depth, Kick Return specialist and WR depth.

I too would`ve loved to get Thomas, Allen or Taylor Mays... but they weren`t availabe when we could`ve picked them.

And in the end, FS might not be that big of a need position that we think it is... but right now I´m pretty sure we`ll adress FS early in next years draft.

totally agree with this logic.
We had to replace Dunta with the first pick and due to the Slaton's issues (injury and fumbling) we had to address RB while quality ones were still available. Unless some of you think we should have gone FS instead of CB or RB in the first two rounds....?
Anyone??

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

My issue with this argumet is, where are the front seven? It's not a good thing when you have to rely on safeties making tackles. That said, it's nice to know they can, but if you are relying on them for that, there are much bigger issues.

It's not a good thing that we had to rely on on the front seven for anything last year.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

PFT is reporting that Darren Sharper is on the verge of signing with an "unknown" team.......probably Saints, Jets or the Jags........yeah, the Jags.

 

[gary]

Please be the Texans.

 

[steelbtexan]

Please be the Texans.

Not happening

Smithiak doesn't put a premium on vet leadership that comes from a winning background.

 

[JB]

Not happening

Smithiak doesn't put a premium on vet leadership that comes from a winning background.

Sorry, but that came across like something from the jilted 15 year old

 

[steelbtexan]

What?

Dont get it

They should've traded up in the 3rd rd and picked Burnett or Wright. But it's their team and to date Smithiak and the playoffs are just a dream.

Until they make the playoffs my opinion is more valid than the koolaid drinkers.

Dont get the 15 yr old remark. You must have experience in being jilted or something.

 

[JB]

What?

Dont get it

They should've traded up in the 3rd rd and picked Burnett or Wright. But it's their team and to date Smithiak and the playoffs are just a dream.

Until they make the playoffs my opinion is more valid than the koolaid drinkers.

Dont get the 15 yr old remark. You must have experience in being jilted or something.

Just saying that you sound disappointed that they did not pick who you wanted. Like a 15 year old girl that got stood up for the prom. Nothing is ever good for you. You concentrate on the negatives that you have no control over, even if those in control don't agree with you. Gloom & Doom!
And yeah, I've been jilted lots

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Just saying that you sound disappointed that they did not pick who you wanted. Like a 15 year old girl that got stood up for the prom. Nothing is ever good for you. You concentrate on the negatives that you have no control over, even if those in control don't agree with you. Gloom & Doom!
And yeah, I've been jilted lots

What is , if the DT gets an inside rush the FS becomes less of a factor Alex ?

 

[steelbtexan]

Just saying that you sound disappointed that they did not pick who you wanted. Like a 15 year old girl that got stood up for the prom. Nothing is ever good for you. You concentrate on the negatives that you have no control over and never look past that.

And yeah, I've been jilted lots

Making the playoffs would be good enough for me.

Yes 8 yrs of losing will make a Texan fan look at the negative ponts in the organization. Or it should make Texan fans say Mr.McNair enough with the we're building from within(draft) rhetoric. It's time to prove it on the field.

Instead we get by golly everybody is doing a great job. Lets extend everybody.

Say I'm right and most of the board is wrong. What will it take for McNair to make major changes in the way this team drafts and aquires talent?

The only way to get change is to effect McNair's bottom line. But the marketing team on the Texans is so good this will ever happen.

 

[JB]

You don't remember the Oilers of the 60's & 70's & 80's and 90's... do you?

 

[steelbtexan]

What is , if the DT gets an inside rush the FS becomes less of a factor Alex ?

If one of the S get hurt

Alex I will take Busing/Ferguson/Barber for $2000.

Yuk

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

If one of the S get hurt

Alex I will take Busing/Ferguson/Barber for $2000.

Yuk

What is , they'll convert one of these young CBs for $3000 . I'm saying McMannus .

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

In some ways, I am left with the feeling that Smithiac/McNair are building this team as though this was still 2004, instead of building onto a "veteran" team.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

In some ways, I am left with the feeling that Smithiac/McNair are building this team as though this was still 2004, instead of building onto a "veteran" team.

Hopefully their putting the final touches on a core that'll go on a playoff run for years . Maybe the last piece will be the endangered speices the freeanderthal saftieous .

 

[steelbtexan]

You don't remember the Oilers of the 60's & 70's & 80's and 90's... do you?

Yes I do and the Texans of the 2000's are begining to remind me alot of those Oilers you speak of.

I just dont believe that the Texans do everything they can to put the best team on the field as possible. Many may disagree with this statement but 8 yrs of no playoffs have led me to believe this.

The Texans are more about marketing and PR than putting the best team on the field as possible.

You have to be a certian type of player to play for the Texans. This type of clean cut guy is great for PR but you cant win a championship with a team full of them. IMHO

an example of this is the Jets giving up a 5th for SB MVP Holmes. If the Texans had done this deal Schaub would've had another dangerous weapon to work with. Instead they chose to re-sign Walter and draft Holliday and Dickerson. Those are draft picks that could've been used to trade up and draft a FS. Why didn't they do the deal to get Holmes? Because he doesn't fit the Texans image.

I'm a Schaub fan but if the Steelers offered Roethlisberger for him I would do that deal in a heartbeat. Ben is a 2 time SB winning QB. Who is more durable and has a stronger arm. The Texans wont do this deal because of image.

Would you have a couple of unsavory guys on the team if it meant winning a championship? Many on this MB wouldn't be willing to make this tradeoff. I would that's the difference.

I will continue to question Smithiak until they put a consistent winner on the field. I dont really care who they draft/FA. I have a different philosophy than they do on what it takes to build a winning team. But I just want them to start making the playoffs and I really dont see it happening this year.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

[steelbtexan]

In some ways, I am left with the feeling that Smithiac/McNair are building this team as though this was still 2004, instead of building onto a "veteran" team.

I wrote a long post and you were able to say what I was trying to say in one sentence. Amazing!!!! LOL

 

[JB]

Yes I do and the Texans of the 2000's are begining to remind me alot of those Oilers you speak of.

I just dont believe that the Texans do everything they can to put the best team on the field as possible. Many may disagree with this statement but 8 yrs of no playoffs have led me to believe this.

The Texans are more about marketing and PR than putting the best team on the field as possible.

You have to be a certian type of player to play for the Texans. This type of clean cut guy is great for PR but you cant win a championship with a team full of them. IMHO

an example of this is the Jets giving up a 5th for SB MVP Holmes. If the Texans had done this deal Schaub would've had another dangerous weapon to work with. Instead they chose to re-sign Walter and draft Holliday and Dickerson. Those are draft picks that could've been used to trade up and draft a FS. Why didn't they do the deal to get Holmes? Because he doesn't fit the Texans image.

I'm a Schaub fan but if the Steelers offered Roethlisberger for him I would do that deal in a heartbeat. Ben is a 2 time SB winning QB. Who is more durable and has a stronger arm. The Texans wont do this deal because of image.

Would you have a couple of unsavory guys on the team if it meant winning a championship? Many on this MB wouldn't be willing to make this tradeoff. I would that's the difference.

I will continue to question Smithiak until they put a consistent winner on the field. I dont really care who they draft/FA. I have a different philosophy than they do on what it takes to build a winning team. But I just want them to start making the playoffs and I really dont see it happening this year.

I hope I'm wrong.

OK. We'll have to agree to disagree. I do not want a team that is built to win this year. And I believe that Smithiak knows a whole lot more about building a team than I do. But, you are obviously more football smart than I am and are sure you could do better. I just question your belief that because they did not sign someone, that they made no effort. Hell, I don't even know if they were interested because the media coverage of the Texans suck!

 

[steelbtexan]

OK. We'll have to agree to disagree. I do not want a team that is built to win this year. And I believe that Smithiak knows a whole lot more about building a team than I do. But, you are obviously more football smart than I am and are sure you could do better. I just question your belief that because they did not sign someone, that they made no effort. Hell, I don't even know if they were interested because the media coverage of the Texans suck!

Agreed

I dont think that I can do better. I just question their committment to doing everything they can to put the best product on the field as possible.

The media coverage is terrible.

Steph and LZ do a better job than the beat writers.

 

[JB]

Agreed

I dont think that I can do better. I just question their committment to doing everything they can to put the best product on the field as possible.

The media coverage is terrible.

Steph and LZ do a better job than the beat writers.

We can certainly agree on that statement!

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

We have yet to see how Holmes does in NY so you can't really use that as a negative against the Texans. And the guy seems like a dipsh*t so I'm glad we have Walter and Graham over him.

I think Schaub is one of the elite QB's in the league, given he stays healthy. That's definitely a valid concern. He showed his toughness last year but we need to see that again. Each year. Especially to make the playoffs. The coaches are committed to this system and I'll take Schaub on our team over Big Ben.

 

[dalemurphy]

Making the playoffs would be good enough for me.

Yes 8 yrs of losing will make a Texan fan look at the negative ponts in the organization. Or it should make Texan fans say Mr.McNair enough with the we're building from within(draft) rhetoric. It's time to prove it on the field.

Instead we get by golly everybody is doing a great job. Lets extend everybody.

Say I'm right and most of the board is wrong. What will it take for McNair to make major changes in the way this team drafts and aquires talent?

The only way to get change is to effect McNair's bottom line. But the marketing team on the Texans is so good this will ever happen.

The first 4 years, the organization operated entirely differently than it does now. They went after elite veteran talent and actually built a pretty decent defense with a bunch of veterans: GWalker, Payne, Sharper, Glenn, Coleman, McCree, Eric Brown and they were throwing huge contracts at guys like Todd Wade, Robaire Smith, Zac Weigart... Heck, they even tried to trade draft picks for Orlando Pace, not to mention giving up a 2nd and 3rd round pick for Phillip Buchanan.

The result was an old, injury-prone, lazy football team that was really bad by 2006. Kubiak and company came in and are committed to almost the opposite philosophy. One can argue that the 180% change is a little too reactionary, but let's not act like we've seen 8 years of it... try 4. And, by the way, these 4 years were a heck of a lot more successful than the first 4. So, I'm not sure why you are so adamant that they go back to doing business that way?

 

[JCTexan]

Making the playoffs would be good enough for me.

I'm a Schaub fan but if the Steelers offered Roethlisberger for him I would do that deal in a heartbeat. Ben is a 2 time SB winning QB. Who is more durable and has a stronger arm. The Texans wont do this deal because of image.

You say playoffs are good enough for you, but you mention trading Schaub for Roethlisberger which would ruin every chance Houston would have at making the playoffs this year. Big Ben is suspended for six games. Are you sure about doing this trade?

 

[JB]

This has turned into a really funny thread. How did we go from not drafting a free safety to McNair sucks? Wait... never mind. We have already done this 34 times

 

[brakos82]

This has turned into a really funny thread. How did we go from not drafting a free safety to McNair sucks? Wait... never mind. We have already done this 34 times

Where's the Tate thread?

 

[thunderkyss]

I'm a Schaub fan but if the Steelers offered Roethlisberger for him I would do that deal in a heartbeat. Ben is a 2 time SB winning QB. Who is more durable and has a stronger arm. The Texans wont do this deal because of image.

I think you spend too much time looking at the past. I don't doubt Big Ben is a more accomplished QB now, but no way I'd trade Schaub for Ben, and I'm not a "big" Schaub fan. Ben has a bigger arm, he's more athletic but I think Schaub is much better in terms of accuracy, decision making, and managing an offense, and reading a defense.

Would you have a couple of unsavory guys on the team if it meant winning a championship? Many on this MB wouldn't be willing to make this tradeoff. I would that's the difference.

That's a loaded question.

Would you have a team of high character guys if it meant 3 Championships in the next 5 years?

Having dumbasses on your team does not guarantee a Super Bowl appearance. How many play-offs has the Redskins been to with their $100 million DT? How has Cincinnati done in the last 5 years? How far did Pac-Man get the Cowboys?

I will continue to question Smithiak until they put a consistent winner on the field. I dont really care who they draft/FA. I have a different philosophy than they do on what it takes to build a winning team. But I just want them to start making the playoffs and I really dont see it happening this year.

I hope I'm wrong.

Because we didn't draft a FS? This team will make it to the play-offs, and win. Why?

Because Kubiak has kept this offense consistently in the best of class since he's been here, and Frank Bush improved our defense tremendously in only one year. Brian Cushing, & Demeco are going to be monsters in this system for a second year (both going to the Pro Bowl), & opposing QBs won't have to place to throw the ball, if Kareem is as ready as Kubiak/Smith says he is, and Quinn improves on his first year.

 

[HJam72]

I think every coaching regime has it's strengths and its weaknesses. We had a defensive-minded HC and a regime that at least for a while built a good D, but spent too much on free agent D players. Now we have an O-minded HC and a regime that, while not overspending or ignoring the D in drafts, tends to show a lack of enthusiasm in particular for high quality, ball-hawking free safeties while getting a little nutso over TEs in the draft. It's enough to drive me crazy, but I have to admit that every team (presuming a salary cap) is going to have a weakness somewhere in general throughout its coaching regime.

I don't like not having a top-notch FS, a center who never gets back-flattened, or (I think) bigger DTs; but, I just bet this team keeps getting better. Heck, with an O-HC, we're lucky he saw a need to even spend a high pick on CB this year. Lot of us weren't too sure he spend anything for a RB either. We all focus hard on wanting to see some playoff games very soon and maybe even some playoff wins; but, let's face it: what this team really needs is to be REALLY good right about the time Manning starts getting somewhat-age-related injuries.

Having said all that, I'd have been a lot more impressed if we'd gotten somebody like Darrell Revis (I'm just assuming that he's turned out well) a few years back and then gotten one of the best FSs in the draft with our 1st round pick this year. THAT would have me singing praises.

PS-can we get one of those old Oiler safeties out of retirement, just in case Pollard ever gets injured.

 

[bckey]

PS-can we get one of those old Oiler safeties out of retirement, just in case Pollard ever gets injured.

Blaine Bishop. Make em pay!

 

[thunderkyss]

Heck, with an O-HC, we're lucky he saw a need to even spend a high pick on CB this year.

Having said all that, I'd have been a lot more impressed if we'd gotten somebody like Darrell Revis (I'm just assuming that he's turned out well) a few years back...

I've been wanting a starting corner from the draft since '07. I didn't know who Revis was at the time, but he would have done nicely (as he has proven to be one of the league's best).

I can understand the desire for a FS... what I don't understand is this "we didn't draft a starting safety, all is doomed" attitude. & for the most part, we're upset we didn't draft a safety in the third, who would have most likely been a developmental/depth guy anyway.

 

[ObsiWan]

Making the playoffs would be good enough for me.

Yes 8 yrs of losing will make a Texan fan look at the negative points in the organization. Or it should make Texan fans say Mr.McNair enough with the we're building from within(draft) rhetoric. It's time to prove it on the field.

Now, now; don't be a revisionist historian. We haven't had a losing record in three years.

 

[ObsiWan]

Would you have a couple of unsavory guys on the team if it meant winning a championship? Many on this MB wouldn't be willing to make this tradeoff. I would that's the difference.

No. You may as well ask me if I would be okay with stealing if it meant I'd make a few extra bucks.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

The first 4 years, the organization operated entirely differently than it does now. They went after elite veteran talent and actually built a pretty decent defense with a bunch of veterans: GWalker, Payne, Sharper, Glenn, Coleman, McCree, Eric Brown and they were throwing huge contracts at guys like Todd Wade, Robaire Smith, Zac Weigart... Heck, they even tried to trade draft picks for Orlando Pace, not to mention giving up a 2nd and 3rd round pick for Phillip Buchanan.

The result was an old, injury-prone, lazy football team that was really bad by 2006. Kubiak and company came in and are committed to almost the opposite philosophy. One can argue that the 180% change is a little too reactionary, but let's not act like we've seen 8 years of it... try 4. And, by the way, these 4 years were a heck of a lot more successful than the first 4. So, I'm not sure why you are so adamant that they go back to doing business that way?

Those would have been good football teams if not for a pathetic QB that had every excuse made for him in the world. They were building a good team early but the development got retarded by Carr's being a pile of dog crap and with a few bad drafts/trades.

 

[bckey]

I'm fine with Kareem Jackson. Imho the Texans could have addressed cb later because it was a really deep class this year. I would have taken Dan Williams at 20. Ben Tate in the 2nd. Trade up with Baltimore to get Morgan Burnett by giving them our 2nd 4th rounder. The points are right and Baltimore would probably still get their TE and pick up an extra 4th. I think Ozzie would have done it. Then in the 4th take Akwasi Owusu-Ansah. 5th I get Mitch Petrus. 6th Dorin Dickerson and the 7th Donovan Warren.

1-Dan Williams DT
2-Ben Tate RB
3-Morgan Burnett FS
4-Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB
5-Mitch Petrus OG
6-Dorin Dickerson TE/WR
7-Donovan Warren CB

Sign as many tight ends as you want that went undrafted.

 

[dalemurphy]

Those would have been good football teams if not for a pathetic QB that had every excuse made for him in the world. They were building a good team early but the development got retarded by Carr's being a pile of dog crap and with a few bad drafts/trades.

They built an aging, mediocre team early that had no chance of ever becoming a consistent winner. The philosophy of the that organization was the devaluing of the draft and the overvaluing of veterans... For instance, trading two first day picks for Phillip Buchanan, signing Victor Riley and handing him the starting job at LT, signing Robaire Smith and Todd Wade to $25+ million contracts, re-signing Gary Walker and Seth Payne to large amounts of money.

Clearly, this Kubiak/Smith led organization operates differently. While they aren't perfect, it is clear that in their four years they have produced a better record, a much younger and more talented team, and are in good salary cap shape.. So, I don't understand anyone thinking the former philosophy was better.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I've been wanting a starting corner from the draft since '07. I didn't know who Revis was at the time, but he would have done nicely (as he has proven to be one of the league's best).

I can understand the desire for a FS... what I don't understand is this "we didn't draft a starting safety, all is doomed" attitude. & for the most part, we're upset we didn't draft a safety in the third, who would have most likely been a developmental/depth guy anyway.

I think finding a good FS is much harder than it looks . Case and point , the best FS in the 2000's is Ed Reed . If you looked at Ed Reed and Laron Landry's combine , Landry blows him away . So what makes Reed so special ?

 

[JB]

I think finding a good FS is much harder than it looks . Case and point , the best FS in the 2000's is Ed Reed . If you looked at Ed Reed and Laron Landry's combine , Landry blows him away . So what makes Reed so special ?

Football intelligence and the right system for him

 

[thunderkyss]

I think finding a good FS is much harder than it looks . Case and point , the best FS in the 2000's is Ed Reed . If you looked at Ed Reed and Laron Landry's combine , Landry blows him away . So what makes Reed so special ?

Oh.. so you're upset we didn't take a FS in the first round.

Totally different argument than I've been seeing here, that one of our 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc... picks should have been a safety.

Same thing though. I've been wanting a CB... finally got one after 3 years.


Wait in line bub.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Oh.. so you're upset we didn't take a FS in the first round.

Totally different argument than I've been seeing here, that one of our 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc... picks should have been a safety.

Same thing though. I've been wanting a CB... finally got one after 3 years.


Wait in line bub.

Nope ... I think they did the right thing . My point is , folks thing it's plug and play , which is simply not the case . A good FS is hard to find because the guy has to be a really smart player . It's probably easier to find an experienced veteran who's proven than a rookie .

I've read that the two easiest positions to scout are LT and CB . Why cause you either have it or you don't . RB is the easiest to plug and play because there's not much difference to what their trying to do .

 

[steelbtexan]

You say playoffs are good enough for you, but you mention trading Schaub for Roethlisberger which would ruin every chance Houston would have at making the playoffs this year. Big Ben is suspended for six games. Are you sure about doing this trade?

I was using that as an example of taking risks. Which currently the Texans are unwilling to do.

 

[steelbtexan]

I think you spend too much time looking at the past. I don't doubt Big Ben is a more accomplished QB now, but no way I'd trade Schaub for Ben, and I'm not a "big" Schaub fan. Ben has a bigger arm, he's more athletic but I think Schaub is much better in terms of accuracy, decision making, and managing an offense, and reading a defense.

That's a loaded question.

Would you have a team of high character guys if it meant 3 Championships in the next 5 years?

Having dumbasses on your team does not guarantee a Super Bowl appearance. How many play-offs has the Redskins been to with their $100 million DT? How has Cincinnati done in the last 5 years? How far did Pac-Man get the Cowboys?




Because we didn't draft a FS? This team will make it to the play-offs, and win. Why?

Because Kubiak has kept this offense consistently in the best of class since he's been here, and Frank Bush improved our defense tremendously in only one year. Brian Cushing, & Demeco are going to be monsters in this system for a second year (both going to the Pro Bowl), & opposing QBs won't have to place to throw the ball, if Kareem is as ready as Kubiak/Smith says he is, and Quinn improves on his first year.

TK

1. not willing to take the risk? I'm with you on this one. I'm just trying to find out who are the risk takers on the MB.

2. Sure I would, Haynesworth has only been there one year. Using your point of thought Schub should've been let go after his 1st year here. Now that Snyder has hired Shanny I'm willing to give Haynesworth a chance to be an impact player again. Not that he wasn't last year. His stats didn't look good but his impact was people around him getting great stats. (Orapko) If the Texans had trade for Haynesworth he would've immediately been the best DL on the team. That includes MW. Haynesworth takes plays off. So does MW. All DL take plays off except Reggie White. Who's a HOF.

3.Did Cincy make the playoffs this year or is my mind slipping? of course I would take a team full of chior boys if it mant winning a championship. Just like I would take a team with a few bad apples if it meant winning a championship. Pittsburgh won a championship with Holmes and Roethlisberger with one of the most clutch drives in SB history. The Pac-Man theory aplies to Holmes and Ben too?

3. I hope you're right. Lets see how it plays out. If Wilson or Pollard get urt again you will see more games like the 1st three instead of the last 13. IMHO