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From the "Battle Red Blog" - read their arguments for NOT Drafting Ryan Mathews

rmartin65 said:
Measurerables are nice, but his play is what should make you feel giddy. It does at times, but not enough (for me) to feel comfortable picking him before the 3rd round.

I have to disagree with you about the teaching catching. Catching is all hand/eye coordination. You either have it, or you don't.
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You are correct about his play should be what grabs the attention, I didn't mention it b/c its his play that has us talking about him in the first place. The catching thing I also agree a lil bit. If we were talking about a WR or TE absolutely your hand eye coordination is of utmost importance since its your primary job to catch passes. But a RB's primary job is a runner, pass catching is a bonus and I know we utilize it somewhat. I personally feel he should not be asked to run routes where he is a primary target other than a screen. Flats and dump offs are usually done out of desperation but I would expect him to be able to catch a ball 2-5 yards off the LOS. I know there are the LTs, Marshall Faulks etc. and I will admit I have seen plays where Slaton (if he comes back he can be our receiving RB) looks to be on a fly/go route. But our passing game is fine...our running game is what is sucking (could be OL play)...On a side note Tate has more receptions than Hardesty, Gerhart and Mathews. Spiller on the other hand well lets just say he caught alot.
 
playa465 said:
You are correct about his play should be what grabs the attention, I didn't mention it b/c its his play that has us talking about him in the first place. The catching thing I also agree a lil bit. If we were talking about a WR or TE absolutely your hand eye coordination is of utmost importance since its your primary job to catch passes. But a RB's primary job is a runner, pass catching is a bonus and I know we utilize it somewhat. I personally feel he should not be asked to run routes where he is a primary target other than a screen. Flats and dump offs are usually done out of desperation but I would expect him to be able to catch a ball 2-5 yards off the LOS. I know there are the LTs, Marshall Faulks etc. and I will admit I have seen plays where Slaton (if he comes back he can be our receiving RB) looks to be on a fly/go route. But our passing game is fine...our running game is what is sucking (could be OL play)...On a side note Tate has more receptions than Hardesty, Gerhart and Mathews. Spiller on the other hand well lets just say he caught alot.
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Tate is actually pretty good in the passing game. That is what sets him above some of the other big backs. From Scouts Inc.
Has good experience as a receiver. Displays above-average ball skills for a bigger back. Does a fine job of getting open underneath and will run over some smaller DBs when he catches the ball in space.
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And aslo in pass pro.
Displays adequate awareness in pass pro. Is thickly built and can anchor versus the blitzing linebacker but needs to improve consistency as a space blocker.
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/25495/ben-tate
 
If the Texans draft a running back in the first round (no matter who the back might be), that's gonna tell us all what they really think about the prospects of Steve Slatons return to his rookie year form.
 
IDEXAN said:
If the Texans draft a running back in the first round (no matter who the back might be), that's gonna tell us all what they really think about the prospects of Steve Slatons return to his rookie year form.
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Exactly.

And my position on this has been that we have to learn from the DD example. This is a very serious injury. You can't expect Slaton to ever return to form no matter how positive he is that he will. From a drafting strategy perspective, we should just approach this as though Slaton isn't even on the team. That means we've got:

1. Ryan Moats - who's a decent backup/changeup guy but he's not good in pass pro and not a quality starter
2. Arian Foster - who showed some flashes but hasn't really proven anything, yet
3. Jeremiah Johnson - who is a huge question mark
4. Chris Henry - who is a question mark (at least to the fans)

To me, without a certified starter in the bunch, that's easily the worst position on our team. We need to grab someone early and we need to grab someone late and then we may need to grab someone in FA. And then we need to hope we've grabbed the right guys.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Exactly.

And my position on this has been that we have to learn from the DD example. This is a very serious injury. You can't expect Slaton to ever return to form no matter how positive he is that he will. From a drafting strategy perspective, we should just approach this as though Slaton isn't even on the team. That means we've got:

1. Ryan Moats - who's a decent backup/changeup guy but he's not good in pass pro and not a quality starter
2. Arian Foster - who showed some flashes but hasn't really proven anything, yet
3. Jeremiah Johnson - who is a huge question mark
4. Chris Henry - who is a question mark (at least to the fans)

To me, without a certified starter in the bunch, that's easily the worst position on our team. We need to grab someone early and we need to grab someone late and then we may need to grab someone in FA. And then we need to hope we've grabbed the right guys.
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Great post! I understand everyone wanting a CB, but RB is a scary position for us. Also, take a look at the first and second rounds and the teams that need a RB, waiting until 51 will be too long. The guys that we want probably won't be there.
 
Well, looks like Dwyer's stock could be potentially falling:

NFL | McCoy, Dwyer reportedly fail drug tests
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Jay Glazer and Alex Marvez, of FOXSports.com, reports Southern California TE Anthony McCoy and Georgia Tech RB Jonathan Dwyer reportedly flunked their drug tests at the NFL Scouting Combine, according to a source. Dwyer allegedly tested positive for amphetamines, but he had clearance



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0lVvSoHzv
 
El Tejano said:
Well, looks like Dwyer's stock could be potentially falling:

NFL | McCoy, Dwyer reportedly fail drug tests
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Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:56:58 -0400

Jay Glazer and Alex Marvez, of FOXSports.com, reports Southern California TE Anthony McCoy and Georgia Tech RB Jonathan Dwyer reportedly flunked their drug tests at the NFL Scouting Combine, according to a source. Dwyer allegedly tested positive for amphetamines, but he had clearance

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0lVvSoHzv
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If Dwyer had clearance how is his stock dropping due to this?
 
"All 32 teams received notification prior to the combine that a medication he's taken since childhood would likely result in a positive result at the combine," Adisa Bakari told ESPN's Joe Schad. "We provided the necessary medical documentation."

Dwyer told Schad the medication is for an attention deficit disorder. The NFL calls Dwyer's situation a "therapeutic use exemption," a source told Schad.

"I have had it since I was in the fifth grade," Dwyer said. "Georgia Tech knew about it when I went there. The NCAA knew about it before every drug test I took there. And the league knew about it before the combine as they got several letters from my doctor who prescribed me the medication."
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I don't see it as a big deal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=5111130
 
This is how I have it going into draft week. Which Round I think they get drafted in.

No order.

Round 1:
Spiller - Mathews
Round 2:
Best - Dwyer
Round 3:
Tate - Hardesty - Gerhart - McCluster
Round 4:
Dixon - McNight
Round 5:
Blount - Lonyae Miller - Stafon Johnson
Round 6:
Scott - Starks - Dixon - Bell
Round 7:
James - Karim -
 
kastofsna said:
i'm hearing Miami is considering taking Mathews at #12. no clue what to make of that.
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Ronnie Brown coming off surgery and pushing 30. Ricky Williams past 30.

Makes sense to want to look at a back early, but I don't think Mathews has the kind of game to warrant him going at 12.
 
yeah, he does seem to be a 2-down guy, and that would be fine with a pretty decent backfield as it is (assuming Ronnie is traded on draft day, that leaves Ricky Williams, Patrick Cobb, and Lex Hilliard; decent on any team's depth chart). so Mathews would make a fine compliment to them, but with the pick at #12? not really. however, if he turns out to be a damned good player, draft position means nothing.
 
Thanks a lot. I sure hope we pick up Tate in the 2nd or 3rd.
 
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