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Lane Kiffen dumps Tennessee, takes USC job.

Haha. You are nieve. Muschamp would have taken it when Fulmer was fired if he wanted that job.

Besides, Muschamp has already informed Tennessee that he is not interested. So yeah, it sounds like Tennessee cant compete with UT.

:bravo:

I think you're the only one niave, especially with all the hoping around that happens in college/pro sports these days. Besides, he's in a bit better position this time around to negotiate for more money. If Tennessee throws a richie rich vault at him.....
 
Haha. You are nieve. Muschamp would have taken it when Fulmer was fired if he wanted that job.

Besides, Muschamp has already informed Tennessee that he is not interested. So yeah, it sounds like Tennessee cant compete with UT.

:bravo:

WHen and where did he say this? You got a link? I've been pretty nervous about this since I heard that Kiffin jumped ship. Muschamp is my favorite coach in college football, so I don't want him going anywhere. Where did you read this?
 
WHen and where did he say this? You got a link? I've been pretty nervous about this since I heard that Kiffin jumped ship. Muschamp is my favorite coach in college football, so I don't want him going anywhere. Where did you read this?

Just rumors man relax...They've been after him since last year, but rumors have been circulating that they're going to go after him a bit harder this go round...
 
I'd probably be ticked off, but that's part of the business and that's part of the real world. Would Kiffin have taken the Tennessee job had he known that Carroll would have left USC out of nowhere and then all of a sudden been offered the job there? Obviously not. He got offered a great opportunity to coach and recruit at what is arguably the best program in the country that he's already coached at, so why shouldn't he do that if that's what he's always wanted. That is selfish from fans and recruits to think a person shouldn't take that opportunity.

And funny how Kiffin gets all of this criticism from all of this and his recruits get mentioned, but yet when Carroll pulled this same stint out of nowhere just last week no one said any of this about Pete Carroll just leaving out of nowhere and called him a snake and scumbag for it. Many people called him smart, because they figured USC was going to get sanctioned, and hell he's obviously been part of all of that and most likely is running from the consequences of USC's transgressions. I'd say that's a hell of a lot more of being a snake than what Kiffin is doing.

So why aren't you questioning Carroll's recruits since he just left and did the same thing?

You are really compairing Carroll's departure with Kiffin's? I am not giving a pass to Pete for abandoning his recruits. He will have to answer to them as well.

Pete Carroll is going to the NFL. Whether it was to avoid NCAA sanctions or to take on the challenge of the NFL is debatable at this point. And I dont expect either coach to tell his recruits that he might be leaving if the right offer comes along. That is not going to win trophy's.

Kiffin went NCAA to NCAA after 1 year! He doesnt give a **** about anybody but himself. I am sorry that Carroll didnt resign last year, and the stars didnt alight for him to coach USC, but who knows, maybe that job will open up in the future. He is a young man. You took the Tennessee head coach job. Now do your job and coach that program back up. Dont leave it high and dry, and try to steal its recruits to USC.

If you cant see he is a assclown then i dont know what to tell you. We just think differently.
 
Not exactly a classy move my Kiffin but the guy wasnt known for being an honest guy.

He took one of the top 5 jobs in college its not his fault the AD was stupid enough to offer it to him.

I just feel bad for the recruits who were recruited by them. You think your coach is going to be there and then leaves and has the balls to ask you to come with him.

College Football is a nasty business.

And again, why aren't you criticizing Carroll for the same freaking thing? He just did the same thing just last week. I don't remember hearing so many people crying about the poor recruits that Carroll had been coddling all of this time. And Kiffin would have never gotten this opportunity in the first place had Carroll not decided to leave out of nowhere most likely because USC is being sanctioned? You think Carroll told these recruits that USC might be getting sanctioned possibly and that he would be scatting out of town most likely if that is why he left which many people assume? Of USC is going to get sanctioned which many believe, Carroll obviously had some sort of role in all of that as well which to me makes him look worse than any college coach out there, because not only did he contribute to all of this, but he'll be scatting away once the consequences come. Now, that's a snake.
 
WHen and where did he say this? You got a link? I've been pretty nervous about this since I heard that Kiffin jumped ship. Muschamp is my favorite coach in college football, so I don't want him going anywhere. Where did you read this?

I will see if one comes out soon. Not all information is documented right away. It will probably come out on print tomorrow morning.
 
Everyone 1 of these teams u mentioned except for TCU has a top 10 recruiting class as of now. So i don't think it looks flat at all.

Right and Gary has done pretty well even without top ten recruiting classes. Same with Boise.

I hate to mention it was well but, Ohio State might be in the mix as well next year as well as I'm curious to see Kelly's first year at ND.
 
You are really compairing Carroll's departure with Kiffin's? I am not giving a pass to Pete for abandoning his recruits. He will have to answer to them as well.

Pete Carroll is going to the NFL. Whether it was to avoid NCAA sanctions or to take on the challenge of the NFL is debatable at this point. And I dont expect either coach to tell his recruits that he might be leaving if the right offer comes along. That is not going to win trophy's.

Oh, so it's okay in Carroll's case since he's going to the NFL completely out of nowhere, but not in Kiffin's case since he's still coaching in college? Lol!

Talk about one pathetic double standard here. It's the exact same freaking thing no matter how you chop it up. They both have been talking to recruits and both schools will most likely lose recruits over the coaches leaving to other places. It's no different at all.

Kiffin went NCAA to NCAA after 1 year! He doesnt give a **** about anybody but himself.

And Carroll is most likely running from negative consequences that the University is going to suffer from in which he helped to cause but yet you want to conveniently ignore that. Lol!

He is a young man. You took the Tennessee head coach job. Now do your job and coach that program back up.

One season of Kiffin being there and leaving isn't going to destroy that program at all. If that is the case then the program itself was already destroyed. They had a long way to go to get things turned around before Kiffin was ever even freaking hired.

If you cant see he is a assclown then i dont know what to tell you. We just think differently.

No, I don't see a person as an ass clown for wanting to take an opportunity to coach at one of the best places in the country that he's always dreamed of coaching for as the HC where this will most likely be his only chance at this opportunity and he's got ties to. How you and all of these other anti/Kiffin bashers can't understand this is beyond me and I think most of you would go work for a top company if you guys were offered the same type of opportunity as well if you had ties there and always dreamed of one day working there as the head guy. I won't sit here on my high horse and act like I wouldn't have done the same thing especially in a greedy and shady atmosphere like college football. Pete Carroll did the exact same thing, and no one criticizes him one bit. INcredible actually.
 
Just rumors man relax...They've been after him since last year, but rumors have been circulating that they're going to go after him a bit harder this go round...

I bet they are going to radically go after him like crazy regardless if he says no at first. I would if I were them. There was a lot of smoke when Auburn was hiring Chizik regarding Muschamp and he ended up not going but there was waaaayy to many rumors and stuff going on for me to think that the smell of the smoke wasn't justified. I'd bet my bottom dollar that Tennessee is going to pull out every little trick in their playbook to get Muschamp this time. I'll feel better about it once Tennessee announces their new HC and his name is something other than Will Muschamp.
 
Oh, so it's okay in Carroll's case since he's going to the NFL completely out of nowhere, but not in Kiffin's case since he's still coaching in college? Lol!

Talk about one pathetic double standard here. It's the exact same freaking thing no matter how you chop it up. They both have been talking to recruits and both schools will most likely lose recruits over the coaches leaving to other places. It's no different at all.



And Carroll is most likely running from negative consequences that the University is going to suffer from in which he helped to cause but yet you want to conveniently ignore that. Lol!



One season of Kiffin being there and leaving isn't going to destroy that program at all. If that is the case then the program itself was already destroyed. They had a long way to go to get things turned around before Kiffin was ever even freaking hired.



No, I don't see a person as an ass clown for wanting to take an opportunity to coach at one of the best places in the country that he's always dreamed of coaching for as the HC where this will most likely be his only chance at this opportunity and he's got ties to. How you and all of these other anti/Kiffin bashers can't understand this is beyond me and I think most of you would go work for a top company if you guys were offered the same type of opportunity as well if you had ties there and always dreamed of one day working there as the head guy. I won't sit here on my high horse and act like I wouldn't have done the same thing especially in a greedy and shady atmosphere like college football. Pete Carroll did the exact same thing, and no one criticizes him one bit. INcredible actually.

Has anyone told you, you are awful to argue with? You seem to bring the same things back up over and over again, like they are new points.

I won't sit here on my high horse and act like I wouldn't have done the same thing especially in a greedy and shady atmosphere like college football.

So since you are just as immoral and sleazy as Kiffen, everyone else should be ok with what he is doing. Gotcha.
 
Has anyone told you, you are awful to argue with? You seem to bring the same things back up over and over again, like they are new points.

I'll take this comment as a lack to form a reasonable rebuttal. You're trying to criticize one man for something while ignoring it on the other. Sorry, but that's hypocritical and that's a double standard that you're putting on Kiffin. I haven't heard you say one thing that was any different from your initial comments and all you've brought up were recruits and tried to excuse Carroll because he was going to the NFL instead of another coaching job in college football which is no different and you know it.

So since you are just as immoral and sleazy as Kiffen, everyone else should be ok with what he is doing. Gotcha.

I am immoral and sleazy for saying that I would take on a better opportunity at a job that I had been ambitiously wanting for years and years? Lol!

Get off of your high horse already. I think you're full of it.
 
I'll take this comment as a lack to form a reasonable rebuttal. You're trying to criticize one man for something while ignoring it on the other. Sorry, but that's hypocritical and that's a double standard that you're putting on Kiffin. I haven't heard you say one thing that was any different from your initial comments and all you've brought up were recruits and tried to excuse Carroll because he was going to the NFL instead of another coaching job in college football which is no different and you know it.



I am immoral and sleazy for saying that I would take on a better opportunity at a job that I had been ambitiously wanting for years and years? Lol!

Get off of your high horse already. I think you're full of it.

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yep..all it takes is enough of this & most people would do pretty much anything..which is why regardless of what muschamp says, you can bet your ass he's still listening.
 
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yep..all it takes is enough of this & most people would do pretty much anything..which is why regardless of what muschamp says, you can bet your ass he's still listening.

I agree with you. Money talks and you know the rest.

Muschamp and his wife love it in Austin though. But with every year there being some top HC vacancy, Muschamp isn't going to want to continue telling all of these top tier programs "no" and wanting to be the DC forever. If he doesn't take this job, and next year some big time program especially one in the SEC offers him the HC job with a lot of mula, than I think he leaves. Texas won't get to keep him forever as the DC. I wish Texas could replace Mack Brown with him right now. If Muschamp were to leave right now, I can almost guarantee you that a ton of Longhorn fans would immediately bash him for it and call him a traitor and stuff like that. Not me though. You can't blame someone for taking a great opportunity in life. You only live once, so you should do what makes you happy as long as you're not hurting others.
 
I agree with you. Money talks and you know the rest.

Muschamp and his wife love it in Austin though. But with every year there being some top HC vacancy, Muschamp isn't going to want to continue telling all of these top tier programs "no" and wanting to be the DC forever. If he doesn't take this job, and next year some big time program especially one in the SEC offers him the HC job with a lot of mula, than I think he leaves. Texas won't get to keep him forever as the DC. I wish Texas could replace Mack Brown with him right now. If Muschamp were to leave right now, I can almost guarantee you that a ton of Longhorn fans would immediately bash him for it and call him a traitor and stuff like that. Not me though. You can't blame someone for taking a great opportunity in life. You only live once, so you should do what makes you happy as long as you're not hurting others.

Really I'm fine with Mack there and HC, but I really would like to see Greg Davis go.

Like I said I expect Muschamp to get a pay raise shortly that will make it even harder to leave Austin. Really I think Muschamp has got a pretty good deal at UT. Mack does the recruiting in the best football state in the US and Muschamp gets to coach top tier talent.
 
Really I'm fine with Mack there and HC, but I really would like to see Greg Davis go.

I agree about Davis, but with Mack you get Davis as a package deal. Texas tried to fire Davis years ago right before VY got there and Mack told them if Davis goes he goes. He has unconditional loyalty towards Davis, so we'll always have Davis as long as we have Mack.

Like I said I expect Muschamp to get a pay raise shortly that will make it even harder to leave Austin. Really I think Muschamp has got a pretty good deal at UT. Mack does the recruiting in the best football state in the US and Muschamp gets to coach top tier talent.

He deserves another pay raise and I hope that he gets one. Yeah, Mack has always been able to recruit. No argument there. I think Muschamp could recruit just as good though if given the opportunity and hoping he never leaves us for a HC gig, I can't wait to see what he does as a recruiter.
 
I think Kiffin is a douche bag, I've lost respect for him and hope the USC fails with him. I think Muschamp should take the Tennessee job, and I think that he'd be very good at recruiting. I wish Tennessee all the best in their new head coach search.
 
Welp, that ain't gonna happen:

Derek Dooley, ya'll

I Love Everything.

More confirmation.

Interesting hire by Tenn.

Thought it was kind of left field, but the first articles says he's been on Saban's staff at LSU and was the recruiting coordinator that landed two top classes.

Not sure about his coaching ability at LA Tech, but then again it's probably not easy to coach and win there, but not a bad background.
 
Interesting hire by Tenn.

Thought it was kind of left field, but the first articles says he's been on Saban's staff at LSU and was the recruiting coordinator that landed two top classes.

Not sure about his coaching ability at LA Tech, but then again it's probably not easy to coach and win there, but not a bad background.

Well I'm happy about this. I just wanted Tennessee to hire someone, so I could be completely sure that Muschamp wasn't leaving even though he said he was going to stay. You can never trust what these coaches say these days.

Sounds like a good hire though for Tennessee considering the fact that everyone else was turning them down.
 
I don't think Dooley is going to do squat at UT. I'm also willing to bet Hamilton will get fired very soon.

They got turned down by the HC of Duke. DUKE.
 
I don't think Dooley is going to do squat at UT. I'm also willing to bet Hamilton will get fired very soon.

They got turned down by the HC of Duke. DUKE.

Just to set the record straight: Cutliffe didn't turn down the job because he thought it was a bad job. It would be an upward move for him. He turned it down because he is best friends with Phil Fulmer, who was fired two years ago for reasons that Cutliffe doesn't agree with. He has said that he will never again work in any capacity with Tennessee because of the way they treated Fulmer.
 
Wasn't Fulmer asked politely to retire?

I think the program was just in decline win wise.

I imagine the fans were screaming for them to do something..they have a 100K stadium they pack every week. Must please the masses.
 
Just to set the record straight: Cutliffe didn't turn down the job because he thought it was a bad job. It would be an upward move for him. He turned it down because he is best friends with Phil Fulmer, who was fired two years ago for reasons that Cutliffe doesn't agree with. He has said that he will never again work in any capacity with Tennessee because of the way they treated Fulmer.

I think it speaks volumes about your school when your program gets turned down by a coach, for whom the job would be a massive step higher. Also, I think it's really funny that the program that fired it's storied HC that put them on the map is now having problems finding his replacement 2 years later and are having to ask Derick Dooley (Is he really an upgrade from Kip Brown or Fulmer himself?) to coach their program.
 
All this has surprised me.

I always thought UT was one of the premier college jobs. Huge following. Get loads of national coverage.

I'm not getting why this program has fallen so far. Maybe that's overexaggerating it but I would think they'd have a line of quality coaches ready to take over the Vols program.
 
All this has surprised me.

I always thought UT was one of the premier college jobs. Huge following. Get loads of national coverage.

I'm not getting why this program has fallen so far. Maybe that's overexaggerating it but I would think they'd have a line of quality coaches ready to take over the Vols program.

Their recruiting class this year is totally screwed due to when Kiffin left and how long it's taken for them to find a replacement. The AD at Tennessee is already on the ropes for making the buyout for Kiffin so low (800k, which i'm sure is pocket change to some USC donors), and they are being investigated for recruiting violations.

Sure it's a major school in a BCS conference, but as was alluded to earlier, some coaches didn't like how they handled Fulmer.
 
Their recruiting class this year is totally screwed due to when Kiffin left and how long it's taken for them to find a replacement. The AD at Tennessee is already on the ropes for making the buyout for Kiffin so low (800k, which i'm sure is pocket change to some USC donors), and they are being investigated for recruiting violations.

Sure it's a major school in a BCS conference, but as was alluded to earlier, some coaches didn't like how they handled Fulmer.

Maybe Peyton can be encouraged to retire after this season and he'll go back to UT...for his first coaching gig!

:)
 
Just to set the record straight: Cutliffe didn't turn down the job because he thought it was a bad job. It would be an upward move for him. He turned it down because he is best friends with Phil Fulmer, who was fired two years ago for reasons that Cutliffe doesn't agree with. He has said that he will never again work in any capacity with Tennessee because of the way they treated Fulmer.

I believe Cutcliffe wanted the job but was told he'd have to keep most of the assistant coaches from Kiffins staff and he didnt want to do that.
 
Why did they fire Fulmer in the first place?

Here's a pretty good summary of their coaching history going back to Majors that someone put on Texags.com.
http://www.texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=1561944&forum_id=5
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Vol fans of a certain age always looked at Johnny Majors, two-time SEC MVP and runner up for the 1956 Heisman Trophy, as a god and the key to making Tennessee a power in the SEC. Majors did very well at Pitt while Bill Battle went .723 at Tennessee between 1970 and 1976.

Unfortunately, Battle didn't beat Alabama enough. The fact that he was also a Bama letterman didn't help, and the big money Vols of the era threw Battle overboard and brought Majors in after he won the MNC at Pitt.

Majors took a bit to get up to speed but was winning within a couple of years. Three SEC championships in the 1980s and a near-miss at the MNC. Phil Fulmer was Majors' OL coach and then OC, and he was very well connected those upcoming big $$ guys who were too young to remember Majors' glory days. Incidentally, Fulmer and Phil Garner were roommates during their time at UT.

Comes 1992. Majors complains publically about his contract during spring banquets around the state, causing much consternation with high $$ boosters. He has a near heart attack and has bypass surgery just as the season begins, leaving Fulmer to lead the team in his absence.

(It's still hard for longtime Knoxvillians like my family to figure out how Johnny could have had blocked arteries since his blood was 10% Jack Daniels most of the time. He was well known for showing up at the Sigma Chi house after games. The joys of life before cell phone cameras.}

Fulmer goes 5-0. Johnny comes back and goes 0-3, a stretch during which the student section chanted "BLOCK THAT ARTERY!" A power struggle ensues with Fulmer engaging in all sorts of intrigue with the AD, Doug Dickey - who also coached Fulmer. Politically, Majors never had a chance - and many long-time Vols were disgusted with the open backstabbing in which Phil indulged.

In a scenario that will strike most Aggies as very familiar, Fulmer won early with Majors' recruits, eventually winning two SEC championships and the 1998 MNC. But he never beat Florida with any consistency. The seniors on the 1998 MNC team lost only five games, three of which were to Florida and one to Memphis (!). This is the time when Spurrier - a native Tennessean - makes the pronouncement that "You can�t spell 'Citrus Bowl' without UT." He�d rack up wins in front of 105,000 against lesser teams, then get pounded by Florida or Alabama, even occasionally blowing up against Memphis, Vanderbilt, Mississsippi State or even Wyoming. He�s got a reputation for being a bit slimy on the recruiting trail. Every year, a Fulmer recruit was arrested, and not for piddling stuff.

Comes 2003, Coach Dickey retires and costs Fulmer his biggest political backer. His replacement changes ticket policy and requires donations for good seats for the first time, resulting in a lot of outrage. The dissatisfaction grows for so many just as Fulmer starts to slip on the field. He has a whopping 4 career wins against Meyer, Richt and Saban, and it's apparent that Meyer�s game is far, far past anything Fulmer could ever develop. So, in 2008, he's forced to resign mid-season � and walks away with $15 million, thanks to the new contract he had signed just the year before. Old Vols hate him and new Vols hate him while middle-age Vols are ambivalent at best.

I'm no Fulmer fan by any stretch, but I did think they should have given him another year. Cutcliffe's potential return makes the current Vols fan feel an order of magnitude more depressed than Aggies were at the prospect of Bennett coming in as DC.

Here's an indication of how bad support is now: they had backing to offer $21 million over 7 years to Muschamp and close to that for Calhoun. That money evaporated when Cutcliffe came into play. Thanks to Fulmer's buyout the perennially sold-out Vols can�t swing a $3 million buyout of the assistant coaches that Kiffin insisted upon.

I wouldn't want to be Mike Hamilton
 
I'll take this comment as a lack to form a reasonable rebuttal. You're trying to criticize one man for something while ignoring it on the other. Sorry, but that's hypocritical and that's a double standard that you're putting on Kiffin. I haven't heard you say one thing that was any different from your initial comments and all you've brought up were recruits and tried to excuse Carroll because he was going to the NFL instead of another coaching job in college football which is no different and you know it.



I am immoral and sleazy for saying that I would take on a better opportunity at a job that I had been ambitiously wanting for years and years? Lol!

Get off of your high horse already. I think you're full of it.

I dont know why I even bother replying here. I dont expect anything new from you. Just a copy/paste of your old posts.

But yes, you would be immoral and sleazy for leaving Tennessee and your players after that 1 season they had for USC. Unless you think leaving your recruits, the university, and the fan base out to dry is cool. Then what more is there to say?

And what is with all the high horse talk? I prefer the soapbox myself.
 
From Peter Kings MMQB today.

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This Lane Kiffin story really ticks me off.
The gall of Kiffin. The unmitigated, outrageous gall of this kid. And the idiocy of Tennessee apparently giving Kiffin -- when, let's be honest, what options did he have coming off his disastrous 5-15 run with the Raiders? -- an $800,000 buyout after one year of his contract. But I blame Kiffin far more. Tennessee bought out Phil Fulmer's coaching staff, then brought in Kiffin and his staff (including his father, Monte, for a reported $1-million-a-year deal to be a college defensive coordinator) and the minute there's an opening at USC, Lane Kiffin bolts ... in the prime part of recruiting season, a terrible time to hire a coaching staff.
I wonder if Kiffin ever said to a single recruit since getting hired by Tennessee 13-plus months ago, "USC's my dream job, so if it ever opens up, I've got to go?'' Of course not. I'm sure the conversation was something like, "Come to Tennessee, I'm going to be here a long, long time, and we're going to win a national championship together.''
One 7-6 season. After Tennessee rescued a tarnished Kiffin. After Tennessee's athletics department backed Kiffin through six secondary recruiting violations, and after Tennessee backed Kiffin in a potential violation of having campus "hostesses'' make "visits'' to recruits all over the southeast.
And he's rewarded by another institution of higher learning (and I type that with as much sarcasm as I can muster), making him even richer than if he'd stayed at Tennessee .
Where's the decency? The maturity? The gratitude? The simple sense of even a pinch of loyalty?
My favorite part of this story is that Kiffin left Tennessee so hurriedly that he didn't even bother to call his brother-in-law, the brother of his wife, who was also his quarterbacks coach at Tennessee . The New York Times reported David Reaves found out Kiffin was bolting when he saw the news on TV at a local restaurant.
 
I dont know why I even bother replying here. I dont expect anything new from you. Just a copy/paste of your old posts.

But yes, you would be immoral and sleazy for leaving Tennessee and your players after that 1 season they had for USC. Unless you think leaving your recruits, the university, and the fan base out to dry is cool. Then what more is there to say?

And what is with all the high horse talk? I prefer the soapbox myself.

Man, you certainly are hypocritical not only with the way you criticize college coaches, but also with your own responses. First off I challenged several of your points and ellaborated on my counter points and brought new points after my first response to you, and then when you couldn't muster up a reasonable response and were ill equipped to continue the discussion civilly, so you come back with this garbage about saying the same thing only to quote me again for YOU to say the EXACT SAME THING. How about trying to take your own advice, even though you weren't even accurate with it in the first place.



Funny how now you try posting an article about the University standing behind Kiffin with possible recruiting violations that were never actually proven because Tennessee was never even punished, but yet you completely forget that USC had a horrible investigation involving Reggie Bush while Pete Carroll was there and then just had another one involving Joe Mcnight. Do you even know who Joe Mcnight is? Are you even aware of this at all? USC has been involved in more recruiting scandals than any school I can think of in the last ten years, yet you continually ignore that.

And why aren't you whining about Rich Rodriguez, or the HC that just left Cinci out of nowhere? Do you even realize that this stuff happens every season in college football when HC's get offered new jobs and different opportunities?

You might want to pay more attention to the sport and the politics that have been involved in this sport if you're going to stand on your high horse or soap box and point fingers and chastise people who challenge your rantings. And before you come back with the same line of "You're just saying the same thing" garbage, do yourself a favor and read up on some of this stuff for a change so we can at least be on the same wave length here.
 
Man, you certainly are hypocritical not only with the way you criticize college coaches, but also with your own responses. First off I challenged several of your points and ellaborated on my counter points and brought new points after my first response to you, and then when you couldn't muster up a reasonable response and were ill equipped to continue the discussion civilly, so you come back with this garbage about saying the same thing only to quote me again for YOU to say the EXACT SAME THING. How about trying to take your own advice, even though you weren't even accurate with it in the first place.
Funny how now you try posting an article about the University standing behind Kiffin with possible recruiting violations that were never actually proven because Tennessee was never even punished, but yet you completely forget that USC had a horrible investigation involving Reggie Bush while Pete Carroll was there and then just had another one involving Joe McKnight. Do you even know who Joe McKnight is? Are you even aware of this at all? USC has been involved in more recruiting scandals than any school I can think of in the last ten years, yet you continually ignore that.

I am well aware of Joe McKnight, the USC scandals and the Tenn. recruiting violations, including the Hostesses. I posted the Peter King article to show you that even some of the media thinks the guy is a slug. Not just me. And I didn't post it to debate about the schools scandals. That’s your problem. You focus on the wrong stuff. You missed the entire point of me posting his article.

Also, you keep saying that this stuff happens all the time. And you are both right and wrong. Yes, there are coaching changes every off season. But each coaching change is different, with different circumstances. I can’t understand how you see Pete Carroll leaving USC after 9 years and 2 BCS championships to coach the Seahawks, is the same as Kiffin leaving Tenn. after 1 year, and a 7-6 record, directly after a 2 year disaster stint with the Raiders where he was 5-15 and was fired by the owner for being a shitty coach, to coach USC!


And why aren't you whining about Rich Rodriguez, or the HC that just left Cinci out of nowhere? Do you even realize that this stuff happens every season in college football when HC's get offered new jobs and different opportunities?

You might want to pay more attention to the sport and the politics that have been involved in this sport if you're going to stand on your high horse or soap box and point fingers and chastise people who challenge your rantings.

The HC that just left Cincy? You don’t abbreviate Cincinnati with Cinci smart guy. Oh wait, I am the one who needs to brush up on my sports knowledge. You mean Brian Kelly? Maybe you are the one who needs to pay more attention to the sport.

Was Brian Kelly called a "flat-out liar", or that he was guilty of "bringing disgrace to the organization" by Al Davis? Was Brian Kelly the one Tom Cable said he had lost respect for? I don’t think so. That was Lane Kiffin.

Brian Kelly is the guy that took Cincy from nobody in the East, to a BCS game and almost a BCS title game.

And I don’t think we have to be reminded of what Carroll did for USC by reviving it. What has Kiffin don’t for anyone? Nothing!

Same goes for Rich Rodriquez. He was one of the most successful coaches in West Virginia History. I dont even need to go into his accomplishments.

And don’t get me wrong. I am not giving Carroll, Rich, or Kelly a free pass. But they are nowhere near the pile of trash Lane Kiffin is. Not even close.

And before you come back with the same line of "You're just saying the same thing" garbage, do yourself a favor and read up on some of this stuff for a change so we can at least be on the same wave length here.

We will never be on the same page. You have the mindset that if other coaches leave, then Kiffin should be able to leave as well. Well welcome to the real world. Everything is not black and white. And until you understand that we will never see eye to eye.
 


I am well aware of Joe McKnight, the USC scandals and the Tenn. recruiting violations, including the Hostesses. I posted the Peter King article to show you that even some of the media thinks the guy is a slug. Not just me. And I didn't post it to debate about the schools scandals. That’s your problem. You focus on the wrong stuff. You missed the entire point of me posting his article.

Also, you keep saying that this stuff happens all the time. And you are both right and wrong. Yes, there are coaching changes every off season. But each coaching change is different, with different circumstances. I can’t understand how you see Pete Carroll leaving USC after 9 years and 2 BCS championships to coach the Seahawks, is the same as Kiffin leaving Tenn. after 1 year, and a 7-6 record, directly after a 2 year disaster stint with the Raiders where he was 5-15 and was fired by the owner for being a shitty coach, to coach USC!




The HC that just left Cincy? You don’t abbreviate Cincinnati with Cinci smart guy. Oh wait, I am the one who needs to brush up on my sports knowledge. You mean Brian Kelly? Maybe you are the one who needs to pay more attention to the sport.

Was Brian Kelly called a "flat-out liar", or that he was guilty of "bringing disgrace to the organization" by Al Davis? Was Brian Kelly the one Tom Cable said he had lost respect for? I don’t think so. That was Lane Kiffin.

Brian Kelly is the guy that took Cincy from nobody in the East, to a BCS game and almost a BCS title game.

And I don’t think we have to be reminded of what Carroll did for USC by reviving it. What has Kiffin don’t for anyone? Nothing!

Same goes for Rich Rodriquez. He was one of the most successful coaches in West Virginia History. I dont even need to go into his accomplishments.

And don’t get me wrong. I am not giving Carroll, Rich, or Kelly a free pass. But they are nowhere near the pile of trash Lane Kiffin is. Not even close.



We will never be on the same page. You have the mindset that if other coaches leave, then Kiffin should be able to leave as well. Well welcome to the real world. Everything is not black and white. And until you understand that we will never see eye to eye.

Are you honestly going to try and use AL Davis's words to try and belittle Lane Kiffin? Really? Al Davis is a disgrace to the NFL and has made a mockery of that franchise. Kiffin actually coached well there for what he had on his plate. No coach in thus entire decade other than Art Shell can be criticized for what they did in Oakland. Surely you can see that, and if not this is just a personal thing you have with Kiffin.


Now other than that, I won't go much further because we simply won't agree here and I'd rather just agree to disagree since neither one of us will see eye to eye like you mentioned, but you can't sit here and blame someone for taking on a great opportunity that they've always wanted. Do you honestly think Kiffin would have taken that job had he known that the USC job would be offered to him the very next season? Of course he wouldn't have, but he can't look into the future. Pete Carroll has said numerous times that he's been wanting to go to an NFL team for years, but he just wanted full control, so he might have left after one season had he gotten full control as well. If you think that tons of college coaches wouldn't have left their HC gigs at other schools to coach at USC, then I just don't know what else to tell you. USC is a top 3 job in college football. Maybe the #1 job. You only live once, and you should take the opportunities that make you happy and that please you. Kiffin took a better job that was a much better situation for him. People do that in all types of careers. It's nothing new. People do what's best for them, just like a company does what's best for them.
 
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