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Leading the league

infantrycak said:
#1 in passing yardage - Matt Schaub
#1 in WR yardage - Andre Johnson
#1 in TE yardage - Owen Daniels
#1 in passing TD's - Matt Schaub

Damn, I wish we had a QB that was more than an NFL backup.
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Aaron Rodgers has a higher QB rating and so is clearly the better player.

Well, that's what passes for football analysis on CBS anyways. :truck:
 
Goatcheese said:
Aaron Rodgers has a higher QB rating and so is clearly the better player.

Well, that's what passes for football analysis on CBS anyways. :truck:
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Obviously I don't follow the Packers as much as the Texans, but from what I have seen Rodgers has been playing very well.
 
Goatcheese said:
Aaron Rodgers has a higher QB rating and so is clearly the better player.

Well, that's what passes for football analysis on CBS anyways. :truck:
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It was even more nuanced; something along the lines of, "well Aaron Rogers has a better passer rating on third downs on odd numbered dates, when the wind is between 11 and 19.5 MPH. He is obviously superior and you're a fool for considering Schaub better than him."
 
infantrycak said:
#1 in passing yardage - Matt Schaub
#1 in WR yardage - Andre Johnson
#1 in TE yardage - Owen Daniels
#1 in passing TD's - Matt Schaub

Damn, I wish we had a QB that was more than an NFL backup.
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These stats are misleading to say the least. If we had any sort of a running game, Schaub wouldn't be throwing the ball as much. The numbers might look good individually.

But teamwise, those numbers reflect a one dimensional offense.
 
Marcus said:
These stats are misleading to say the least. If we had any sort of a running game, Schaub wouldn't be throwing the ball as much. The numbers might look good individually.

But teamwise, those numbers reflect a one dimensional offense.
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They aren't misleading at all. They say that we have a very good QB, a very good TE, a very good WR, and a very good passing offense.

We are #10 in yards per game.
We are #12 in points per game.

These are the stats that tell us we have a one dimensional offense. The ones posted mean exactly what they say.
 
Marcus said:
These stats are misleading to say the least. If we had any sort of a running game, Schaub wouldn't be throwing the ball as much. The numbers might look good individually.

But teamwise, those numbers reflect a one dimensional offense.
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They aren't misleading at all for the QB or the quality of the players involved. The lack of a running game with the entire league knowing it means Schaub is getting it done in adverse circumstances not positive ones. This isn't some kind of slop time issue. This is getting it done passing because the team can't get it done rushing. What that means for the team is certainly a valid discussion, but wasn't my point here. These individuals are having stellar years so far.

Anybody that doesn't double AJ is a fool. Anybody that tries to cover OD with a LB is a fool. And anyone who thinks Schaub is a system QB who is just a glorified backup QB is a fool
 
Marcus said:
These stats are misleading to say the least. If we had any sort of a running game, Schaub wouldn't be throwing the ball as much. The numbers might look good individually.

But teamwise, those numbers reflect a one dimensional offense.
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Those numbers reflect a QB who has picked an offense up and put it on his shoulders.
 
Marcus said:
These stats are misleading to say the least. If we had any sort of a running game, Schaub wouldn't be throwing the ball as much. The numbers might look good individually.

But teamwise, those numbers reflect a one dimensional offense.
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Just because we can't run, doesn't mean we're not trying to. Schaub is not throwing the ball more than anyone else in the top 5 are. Tom brady actually has over 20 more attempts but less yards and TDs.
 
Marcus said:
These stats are misleading to say the least. If we had any sort of a running game, Schaub wouldn't be throwing the ball as much. The numbers might look good individually.

But teamwise, those numbers reflect a one dimensional offense.
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Schaub is vastly underrated. The analyst don't like him because he doesn't have the rocket arm and is slow. What he brings to the table is the intangibles that make a team win. He makes few mistakes, reads defenses well and is very accurate. A strong arm is nice...but it doesn't make you a winner.

It is even more impressive that we can score like this without a significant running game and a suspect interior line. He might not be Manning or Brady...but I don't know how anyone in their right mind who has been watching the Texans this year can think he is a below average qb.

I said it earlier....no way the Texans win today's game without Schaub's great performance.
 
infantrycak said:
They aren't misleading at all for the QB or the quality of the players involved. The lack of a running game with the entire league knowing it means Schaub is getting it done in adverse circumstances not positive ones. This isn't some kind of slop time issue. This is getting it done passing because the team can't get it done rushing. What that means for the team is certainly a valid discussion, but wasn't my point here. These individuals are having stellar years so far.
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The individual results come as a result of no running game. And I still say that if we had a running game, Schaub wouldn't throwing the ball as much. Therefore the stats are the result of being forced to throw it all the time. That's misleading.

I'm not going to get all warm and fuzzy over what, in my view, are misleading stats, individual or not.
 
Marcus said:
The individual results come as a result of no running game. And I still say that if we had a running game, Schaub wouldn't throwing the ball as much. Therefore the stats are the result of being forced to throw it all the time. That's misleading.

I'm not going to get all warm and fuzzy over what, in my view, are misleading stats, individual or not.
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I don't think these stats would fall off quite as much as you think if we found our running game. They might dip a bit but the only real difference would be we would be averaging about a TD more per game.
 
So let me get this straight, we not only want our QB to match the likes of Manning and Brady in production, but we want him to do it with less attempts as well?:thinking:
 
Jackie Chiles said:
I don't think these stats would fall off quite as much as you think if we found our running game. They might dip a bit but the only real difference would be we would be averaging about a TD more per game.
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If anything they would go up, because we would be sustaining more drives, with more opportunities to score TDs.
 
Marcus said:
The individual results come as a result of no running game. And I still say that if we had a running game, Schaub wouldn't throwing the ball as much. Therefore the stats are the result of being forced to throw it all the time. That's misleading.

I'm not going to get all warm and fuzzy over what, in my view, are misleading stats, individual or not.
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Of course they are skewed over what Kubiak might want in an ideal world. But that is irrelevant to individual capability. These players are getting it done in spite of the lack of a running game and as you say at the same time because of the lack of a running game. Point still remains they are showing they can get it done under adverse conditions. Nothing misleading in that. Big Ben isn't supposed to be throwing this much either. Does it somehow take away from what he has done that they don't have a running game like they would like?
 
ReliantTexan said:
So let me get this straight, we not only want our QB to match the likes of Manning and Brady in production, but we want him to do it with less attempts as well?:thinking:
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:rolleyes:

Both Manning and Brady's respective football teams have W-L records that closely reflect their stats. If you showed the Texans' stats to someone who is unfamiliar with the team or their record, they would think, just based on stats, that we're one of the top teams in league. We're not.

Misleading.
 
Marcus said:
:rolleyes:

Both Manning and Brady's respective football teams have W-L records that closely reflect their stats. If you showed the Texans' stats to someone who is unfamiliar with the team or their record, they would think, just based on stats, that we're one of the top teams in league. We're not.

Misleading.
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Both of those defenses have outplayed ours. Heck, Indy's D might be more impressive than their O at this point. Ours is coming around and has been a big part of the last two wins. Misleading would be to ignore that half of the game.
 
I've been critical of Schaub, but I think he's far from an NFL backup. I think he is a top 10 QB the way he is playing, but he still has moments where he acts like he doesn't know what to do with the ball. 2 sacks today were because of what I consider indecision on his part. Maybe he's trying to limit mistakes (i.e. throwing a ball that could get intercepted), but it seems more like he's waiting a bit too long to decide what he wants to do. Again, this is just some of the time. I realize nobody is going to be perfect on every play. His production is solid. I can't say he is a winner yet. He is 14-15 as a starter for the Texans. It's a great improvement over what this team has had in the past, though.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
2 sacks today were because of what I consider indecision on his part.
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There is a term "coverage sack" for a reason. Think about how many times he chucks the ball away to avoid a sack for the OL and the loss of yardage as well. To be clear, I am by no means saying he doesn't make mistakes.
 
Marcus said:
:rolleyes:

Both Manning and Brady's respective football teams have W-L records that closely reflect their stats. If you showed the Texans' stats to someone who is unfamiliar with the team or their record, they would think, just based on stats, that we're one of the top teams in league. We're not.

Misleading.
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Oh yes, nevermind things like defense or.. ahem.. running game. Good grief the only reason we're not sitting at 1-6 right now is because of our elite passing game.
 
I will listen to an argument that says Schaub's numbers place him above his status as a QB in the league. That said, a team who has maybe the best WR in the league, a top 5 TE, and a RB who is better catching the ball out of the backfield than running between the tackles, should not be criticized for passing to win football games. At least, we have a QB good enough to operate an offense that asks him to pass more than he may or may not should.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I will listen to an argument that says Schaub's numbers place him above his status as a QB in the league. That said, a team who has maybe the best WR in the league, a top 5 TE, and a RB who is better catching the ball out of the backfield than running between the tackles, should not be criticized for passing to win football games. At least, we have a QB good enough to operate an offense that asks him to pass more than he may or may not should.
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I believe the word is synergistic. OD would look like a schlub (exaggeration for emphasis) with some QB's say for instance HWWNBN or Rosenfels (where OD averaged almost half as much per game as under Schaub) who both could not see the middle of the field if it was on Jerry Jones' magnascreen. These guys are feeding off each other right now. Nobody is getting some easy ride.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I will listen to an argument that says Schaub's numbers place him above his status as a QB in the league. That said, a team who has maybe the best WR in the league, a top 5 TE, and a RB who is better catching the ball out of the backfield than running between the tackles, should not be criticized for passing to win football games. At least, we have a QB good enough to operate an offense that asks him to pass more than he may or may not should.
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I understand what you mean and Slaton is doing good job catching the ball out of the backfield. But, in order to make our O multi-dimesional and make our O more unpredictable, we need to establish running game up in the middle IMO.

Go Texans!!!
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I will listen to an argument that says Schaub's numbers place him above his status as a QB in the league. That said, a team who has maybe the best WR in the league, a top 5 TE, and a RB who is better catching the ball out of the backfield than running between the tackles, should not be criticized for passing to win football games. At least, we have a QB good enough to operate an offense that asks him to pass more than he may or may not should.
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I understand what you mean and Slaton is doing good job catching the ball out of the backfield. But, in order to make our O multi-dimesional and make our O more unpredictable, we need to establish running game up in the middle IMO.

Go Texans!!!
 
The fact that we cant run the ball well and defenses know that makes Schaubs stats even more impressive since they know were going to throw and they cant stop it.
 
SAMURAITEXAN said:
I understand what you mean and Slaton is doing good job catching the ball out of the backfield. But, in order to make our O multi-dimesional and make our O more unpredictable, we need to establish running game up in the middle IMO.

Go Texans!!!
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I agree, we especially need a run game for games like these when we want to kill some clock in the second half. If we can't do that then we will have to be more like the saints and keep trying to pile on the points. We really let up in the second half, and it almost cost us.. hopefully our players and coaches will learn from this.
 
Remember we have not had a bye week, so some quarterbacks have had only 6 games to put up numbers vs our 7.

then again...we basically treated week 1 as a bye week stat wise, so maybe that makes up for it.
 
TexCanada said:
I agree, we especially need a run game for games like these when we want to kill some clock in the second half. If we can't do that then we will have to be more like the saints and keep trying to pile on the points. We really let up in the second half, and it almost cost us.. hopefully our players and coaches will learn from this.
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That does concern me. Throwing aside the idea of scoring on the ground, if you can't have a confidence in at least getting a few first downs on the ground grinding the clock then you need to stay in the air based attack mode that got you on top in the first place. I don't like teams running up scores but this is a case of necessity rather than showboating.
 
Hate to put a damper on this one but:

Leading the League
Steve Slaton 5 fumbles (before today so 6 now)
 
Hagar said:
Hate to put a damper on this one but:

Leading the League
Steve Slaton 5 fumbles (before today so 6 now)
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BOOO on you!
Anyways,
Matt is an elite QB...you can tell by watching him on TV,in person,on film,looking at the stats, any way you want to look at it.

He still does frustrate me multiple times a game by not getting rid of the ball, hopefully that will improve with time.
 
Marcus said:
The individual results come as a result of no running game. And I still say that if we had a running game, Schaub wouldn't throwing the ball as much. Therefore the stats are the result of being forced to throw it all the time. That's misleading.

I'm not going to get all warm and fuzzy over what, in my view, are misleading stats, individual or not.
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If that were the case, he'd be getting CRUSHED if he were an average QB.
Teams love to shut the run down, so they can get you to pass on every
down. It's called TEE-ING off.

You blitz Schaub, he's good enough to kill you deep. Period.
 
imatexan said:
He still does frustrate me multiple times a game by not getting rid of the ball, hopefully that will improve with time.
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We are 19th in the league on sacks while being 2nd in the league on attempts. For perspective. Schaub definitely waits to the last moment to see if something develops and sometimes takes a hit or a sack that could be avoided. For every one of those, there are 5 he avoids by sliding or dumping the ball.
 
Jackie Chiles said:
Both of those defenses have outplayed ours. Heck, Indy's D might be more impressive than their O at this point. Ours is coming around and has been a big part of the last two wins. Misleading would be to ignore that half of the game.
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To that point, our defense gave up on average more than 200 rushing
yards per game for the first 3 games:
Team record: 1-2

The last four games, the Texans defense gave up on average LESS THAN
60 RUSHING YARDS A GAME!!
Team Record: 3-1

People are overreacting to this win, when the reason the game was so close
has NOTHING to do with Schaub, OR the defense.

The disease plaguing this team right now is "Steve Slaton Fumblitis."

If we don't cure it BEFORE the Colts game, we WILL be beat!
 
infantrycak said:
We are 19th in the league on sacks while being 2nd in the league on attempts. For perspective. Schaub definitely waits to the last moment to see if something develops and sometimes takes a hit or a sack that could be avoided. For every one of those, there are 5 he avoids by sliding or dumping the ball.
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His pocket presence has been great this year. He does take coverage sacks but for a guy with no athletic ability he manages to break containment and throw the ball away at an astounding rate. Another big improvement, when he goes down he holds onto the football for the most part. I could really get used to this.
 
I remember one sack late in the game, he got sacked by a linebacker
from behind, and miraculously held on to the ball. That was EASILY
a fumble last year.
 
Our offense can probably pass on just about anybody, but can't run on nobody. This is a concern, but still, we are putting up points. Just remember that a one dimensional offense can get you into the playoffs, but seldom wins Super Bowls. We need to get our running act togeather. Missing our two starting guards isn't helping any, but thank the football gods the backups can pass protect good enough for Schaub to complete a lot of passes.

If we ever get a line that can run block as well, we'll be kicking some serious butt in this league.
 
infantrycak said:
#1 in passing yardage - Matt Schaub
#1 in WR yardage - Andre Johnson
#1 in TE yardage - Owen Daniels
#1 in passing TD's - Matt Schaub

Damn, I wish we had a QB that was more than an NFL backup.
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..where is he INTERCEPTION wise? Throwing a TD is kind of pointless if on the next series you throw an interception that their defense runs BACK for a TD.
 
Dread-Head said:
..where is he INTERCEPTION wise? Throwing a TD is kind of pointless if on the next series you throw an interception that their defense runs BACK for a TD.
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Of the top 5 QBs in attempts, Schaub ranks 3rd/5 with 5 INTs

He has 5 INTs in 249 attempts

Brady has 4 INTs in 273 attempts
Warner has 6 INTs with 237 attempts
Roethlisberger has 6 INTs with 233 attempts
Favre has 3 INTs with 229 attempts

Hes doing just fine protecting the ball
 
Marcus said:
These stats are misleading to say the least. If we had any sort of a running game, Schaub wouldn't be throwing the ball as much. The numbers might look good individually.

But teamwise, those numbers reflect a one dimensional offense.
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we have a QB who is producing yet Marcus acts like our offense is flawed and sucks but when our QB did suck (Carr) Marcus made every excuse in the book for him.

i guess you were happier with suck ass Carr as QB, Marcus. Very impressive.
 
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