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Walters.com Matt McGuire Oct 22nd 3 round mock for Houston has them going from pick #13 to #19. I am not that motivated yet & moved them from #14 to #16. Anyways, it's Thursday and slow so it is something to read if you are interested.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010matt.php

Round 1 #19 Jr. Joe Haden CB 5'11" 190lb Florida I'll be surprised if he is here.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232013
Round 2 # 51 Vince Oghobaase DT 6'5" 305lbs Duke if Kubes is successful with "smaller" DTs this could be a very good selection.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=56563&draftyear=2010&genpos=DT Some have him in 3rd and not being as impressive 09 as in 2008.

Round 3 # 82 Toby Gerhart RB 6'1" 235 lbs 4.55 where I had him originally but moved him up to 2nd round. Really surprised if he is taken this low.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65195&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB

I'd be very pleased with first 3 rounds going this way, even more so if we could get Thomas Austin OG/C/T in 4th and a FA DT with some weight. If DR is signed I can see Quinn moving to FS. Your thoughts?
 
badboy said:
Walters.com Matt McGuire Oct 22nd 3 round mock for Houston has them going from pick #13 to #19. I am not that motivated yet & moved them from #14 to #16. Anyways, it's Thursday and slow so it is something to read if you are interested.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010matt.php

Round 1 #19 Jr. Joe Haden CB 5'11" 190lb Florida I'll be surprised if he is here.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232013
Round 2 # 51 Vince Oghobaase DT 6'5" 305lbs Duke if Kubes is successful with "smaller" DTs this could be a very good selection.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=56563&draftyear=2010&genpos=DT Some have him in 3rd and not being as impressive 09 as in 2008.

Round 3 # 82 Toby Gerhart RB 6'1" 235 lbs 4.55 where I had him originally but moved him up to 2nd round. Really surprised if he is taken this low.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65195&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB

I'd be very pleased with first 3 rounds going this way, even more so if we could get Thomas Austin OG/C/T in 4th and a FA DT with some weight. If DR is signed I can see Quinn moving to FS. Your thoughts?
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That does look good. Works for me.
 
Round 1, Haden, great pick if we lose Dunta, no arguments from me.
Round2, Oghobaase, good pick and a player with alot of potential. I like the pick but I think we could do better with the pick by taking one of the top OG or FS.
Round3, Gerhart, I like the player but again feel that we could do better with the pick. Again a top ranked OG or FS.

I think we're going to need more than 1 O-lineman from this draft and I don't mean late round backup/developemental players. CB, OGx2, and FS are our top needs IMO. I think we should address DT in FA, we're not very good at picking DT's in the draft.
 
Wolf6151 said:
Round 1, Haden, great pick if we lose Dunta, no arguments from me.
Round2, Oghobaase, good pick and a player with alot of potential. I like the pick but I think we could do better with the pick by taking one of the top OG or FS.
Round3, Gerhart, I like the player but again feel that we could do better with the pick. Again a top ranked OG or FS.

I think we're going to need more than 1 O-lineman from this draft and I don't mean late round backup/developemental players. CB, OGx2, and FS are our top needs IMO. I think we should address DT in FA, we're not very good at picking DT's in the draft.
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I think FS is a need also but what are your thoughts about moving Quinn to that position if DR is on roster next year, especially if we go CB in 1st?
 
badboy said:
Actually I did remember your post as we agreed on Gerhart and Austin. You had team picking #10, have you moved them down a bit?
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I hate adjusting rankings due to one game, but yea, I have. The Texans looked impressive (granted, my friend was only able to get me the first half of the game), and from what I have been hearing it continued. I have the Texans around 15 now.
 
rmartin65 said:
I hate adjusting rankings due to one game, but yea, I have. The Texans looked impressive (granted, my friend was only able to get me the first half of the game), and from what I have been hearing it continued. I have the Texans around 15 now.
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Just curious, if Taylor Mays and Haden are available where ever Texans pick, who is your choice? As I am more leery of a rookie at CB than FS and I am astounded at Mays' skills & size I select Mays.
Having said that, if DR is on roster and I can see another tag if he does well remainder of this season, we could move Quinn to FS and go for a corner in 1st.
 
badboy said:
Just curious, if Taylor Mays and Haden are available where ever Texans pick, who is your choice? As I am more leery of a rookie at CB than FS and I am astounded at Mays' skills & size I select Mays.
Having said that, if DR is on roster and I can see another tag if he does well remainder of this season, we could move Quinn to FS and go for a corner in 1st.
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I would go with Mays. Haden is my favorite corner in the draft, but Mays is the better player and fills an area of need. I know Quinn is a little slower for a corner, but I would prefer to keep him there.
 
Colin Cowherd, who is a bigtime Pac-10 homer, said on his show the other day that Taylor Mays is the most overrated player in the country.
 
Texan JBZ said:
Colin Cowherd, who is a bigtime Pac-10 homer, said on his show the other day that Taylor Mays is the most overrated player in the country.
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Oh, I do agree that he is overrated. I still think he is/will be a good player though. I think adding Mays to the secondary will give it some attitude. The defense will become more intense, as there will be enforcers at each level.
 
rmartin65 said:
Oh, I do agree that he is overrated. I still think he is/will be a good player though. I think adding Mays to the secondary will give it some attitude. The defense will become more intense, as there will be enforcers at each level.
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I agree with you. The thing is that when I watch USC play, he never seems to make a whole lot of plays besides the occasional big hit on a WR. He's nothing like Berry. I've never watched Tenn play and not noticed the guy make a couple of wow plays every game. Its a fool's dream to think the Texans even have a shot at this guy, but man would he look good in Liberty White!
 
Texan JBZ said:
I agree with you. The thing is that when I watch USC play, he never seems to make a whole lot of plays besides the occasional big hit on a WR. He's nothing like Berry. I've never watched Tenn play and not noticed the guy make a couple of wow plays every game. Its a fool's dream to think the Texans even have a shot at this guy, but man would he look good in Liberty White!
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Totally agree. Berry is out of this world, he always makes plays.
 
I don't mind Joe Haden being our first round selection (if he's there) but I also like Patrick Robinson out of FSU (maybe we can grab this guy in the second round).

I also like for us to pick up some massive offensive linemen and replace our current Center. There are some solid interior linemen in this draft!
 
badboy said:
I think FS is a need also but what are your thoughts about moving Quinn to that position if DR is on roster next year, especially if we go CB in 1st?
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I'd have no problem trying Quin or McCain at FS but for some unknown reason I don't think Kubiak likes moving players away from their drafted position. McCain is faster and I think might actually be a better FS if given the chance but I don't think either player will ever be given a shot at FS.

I agree that Mays is overrated and don't think he possesses the ball skills to be a great FS, I think he'd make a better SS. I think that if Mays plays FS he'll be average to good but may actually take a couple years to develope into a very good/great FS. Berry is #1 as a coverage FS with great ball skills and speed but if you want someone almost as good, I think Morgan Burnett is 1a right behind Berry in terms of speed, tackling ability, ball skills, and playmaking ability. Burnett is almost as good as Berry.

I keep saying that if Dunta leaves we should take Joe Haden but now I'm thinking that even if Dunta stays by contract or tag, we should go ahead and take Haden anyway. You can never have to many good CB's and with quality depth at CB it would offer us options we haven't had before like possibly trading someone for players or picks cause all teams are always looking at CB's. We could then take a Safety in the 2nd round thus fixing our secondary in one draft. We'd keep Dunta giving us Reeves and Haden at CB as well, quality and depth and by taking a FS in the 2nd round we'd have quality at FS. I also wouldn't mind seeing the Texans try to trade back up into the lower 1st round after picking Joe Haden and try to get Morgan Burnett or maybe trade up into the upper 2nd round for Reshad Jones. Their are lots of available options for us to pursue but almost everything revolves around whether or not Dunta leaves of goes. It should get interesting after the season.
 
Texan JBZ said:
Colin Cowherd, who is a bigtime Pac-10 homer, said on his show the other day that Taylor Mays is the most overrated player in the country.
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I'm not arguing but based on what? Gut instinct? Some say his 40 was on a fast tract but this guy is huge for a FS/CB.
 
Texan JBZ said:
Colin Cowherd, who is a bigtime Pac-10 homer, said on his show the other day that Taylor Mays is the most overrated player in the country.
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He really hasn't developed the way a lot of people thought he would. At this point in the season I don't see why some people see him as a potential top 10 pick with his lack of playmaker ability, and undisciplined tackling.

I could see him being taken as a SS project in the late teens by a team that has an older starter there, but for the Texans I'd much rather have Haden.
 
Texan4Ever said:
I don't mind Joe Haden being our first round selection (if he's there) but I also like Patrick Robinson out of FSU (maybe we can grab this guy in the second round).

I also like for us to pick up some massive offensive linemen and replace our current Center. There are some solid interior linemen in this draft!
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Robinson link
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66264&draftyear=2010&genpos=CB

I think Robinson will be a first round selection.He should recover from ankle injury and finish strong. He will get a lot of TV exposure.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I'd have no problem trying Quin or McCain at FS but for some unknown reason I don't think Kubiak likes moving players away from their drafted position. McCain is faster and I think might actually be a better FS if given the chance but I don't think either player will ever be given a shot at FS.

I agree that Mays is overrated and don't think he possesses the ball skills to be a great FS, I think he'd make a better SS. I think that if Mays plays FS he'll be average to good but may actually take a couple years to develope into a very good/great FS. Berry is #1 as a coverage FS with great ball skills and speed but if you want someone almost as good, I think Morgan Burnett is 1a right behind Berry in terms of speed, tackling ability, ball skills, and playmaking ability. Burnett is almost as good as Berry.

I keep saying that if Dunta leaves we should take Joe Haden but now I'm thinking that even if Dunta stays by contract or tag, we should go ahead and take Haden anyway. You can never have to many good CB's and with quality depth at CB it would offer us options we haven't had before like possibly trading someone for players or picks cause all teams are always looking at CB's. We could then take a Safety in the 2nd round thus fixing our secondary in one draft. We'd keep Dunta giving us Reeves and Haden at CB as well, quality and depth and by taking a FS in the 2nd round we'd have quality at FS. I also wouldn't mind seeing the Texans try to trade back up into the lower 1st round after picking Joe Haden and try to get Morgan Burnett or maybe trade up into the upper 2nd round for Reshad Jones. Their are lots of available options for us to pursue but almost everything revolves around whether or not Dunta leaves of goes. It should get interesting after the season.
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When McCain was drafted, I immediately moved him to FS where height is not quite so important. A fast defender with some experience can cause a pass to be incomplete often without being able to out jumpt the WR. Quickly came to conclusion that McCain would not get a shot @ FS.

As of today, I think DR will be on roster next season & would not scream if a CB selected in 1st. However, if no one (Quinn?) is moved to FS or a good one is not drafted later rounds, it is another priority position being ignored another year. Neither DR (if on 2010 roster) nor Reeves will be traded. Quinn may well be a starter by next season and who trades starting CBs. I was hoping Oakland but that did not happen. So no CB trade imo.

Trade up to get another 1st? We need a DT, FS, 2 guards (one for sure), at least one RB and a probably a CB. Does not leave room for giving up a high round to move back into first. Let's say we draft 19-22 and DR is a Texan:

1. Best CB move to FS if better than Quinn or Q to FS
1b. DT if recent use of lighter DT continues to work can be switched to 1a.
2. Traded for 1b
3. Gerhart RB
4. Traded for 1b probably not enough.
5 Best guard. I think Pitts is going to be replace before this round.

I just do not see a trade up.
 
Berry looks to be as good as a prospect as Sean Taylor, and i didn't think ANYone would come close to him.
 
kastofsna said:
Berry looks to be as good as a prospect as Sean Taylor, and i didn't think ANYone would come close to him.
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His on-field production is at the Ed Reed/Sean Taylor level, but he isn't at the Sean Taylor level as a prospect. Sean Taylor was just as fast, but bigger and a much better tackler. I compare Berry to Reed, but he isn't the next Sean Taylor. Still, the next Ed Reed isn't a bad thing.

I'm still trying to feel everything out for this year. I'm getting a late start on prospects. It's been a hectic year so far for me personally, so I'm just trying to ride a few things out.

I'm intrigued by Joe Haden at Florida. He's got great instinct and natural athleticism, but his actual technique isn't that great. In terms of being an actual CB, his counterpart is actually more fundamentally sound at this point. With that said, Haden came to Florida as a QB, and started as a true freshman. What he has been able to do thus far is incredible. I think Lindley out of Kentucky is actually the better CB, but Haden has more potential and he's not really that far behind. Both are playmakers. Those are the only two CB's I would spend first round money on. Lindley needs to gain some weight, and quick, but he makes plays on the ball.

I'm not real high on the Duke DT, and I've seen him play in person. I don't think he's capable of beating out any of our current DT's, and I think he would just be a wasted pick.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
His on-field production is at the Ed Reed/Sean Taylor level, but he isn't at the Sean Taylor level as a prospect. Sean Taylor was just as fast, but bigger and a much better tackler. I compare Berry to Reed, but he isn't the next Sean Taylor. Still, the next Ed Reed isn't a bad thing.

I'm still trying to feel everything out for this year. I'm getting a late start on prospects. It's been a hectic year so far for me personally, so I'm just trying to ride a few things out.

I'm intrigued by Joe Haden at Florida. He's got great instinct and natural athleticism, but his actual technique isn't that great. In terms of being an actual CB, his counterpart is actually more fundamentally sound at this point. With that said, Haden came to Florida as a QB, and started as a true freshman. What he has been able to do thus far is incredible. I think Lindley out of Kentucky is actually the better CB, but Haden has more potential and he's not really that far behind. Both are playmakers. Those are the only two CB's I would spend first round money on. Lindley needs to gain some weight, and quick, but he makes plays on the ball.

I'm not real high on the Duke DT, and I've seen him play in person. I don't think he's capable of beating out any of our current DT's, and I think he would just be a wasted pick.
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List Texan priority needs as of win over S.F.
 
I have been watching a ton of Michiigan football, since I get BTN and it seems that all the early games are Big 10 games. I think the Texans could snag Donovan Warren at CB in the 3rd and I would to get a DT in the 1st, even if the Texans need to trade up. Go RB in the 2nd and get Mitch Petrus OG/Kyle Calloway OT
 
LonerATO said:
I have been watching a ton of Michiigan football, since I get BTN and it seems that all the early games are Big 10 games. I think the Texans could snag Donovan Warren at CB in the 3rd and I would to get a DT in the 1st, even if the Texans need to trade up. Go RB in the 2nd and get Mitch Petrus OG/Kyle Calloway OT
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I like the idea of Warren but we would probably have to grab him in the second. He is only a junior though so he may not even declare.

He hasn't quite worked everything out yet but with his physical tools somebody would snatch him in the second and try to coach him up.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I'd have no problem trying Quin or McCain at FS but for some unknown reason I don't think Kubiak likes moving players away from their drafted position. McCain is faster and I think might actually be a better FS if given the chance but I don't think either player will ever be given a shot at FS.

I agree that Mays is overrated and don't think he possesses the ball skills to be a great FS, I think he'd make a better SS. I think that if Mays plays FS he'll be average to good but may actually take a couple years to develope into a very good/great FS. Berry is #1 as a coverage FS with great ball skills and speed but if you want someone almost as good, I think Morgan Burnett is 1a right behind Berry in terms of speed, tackling ability, ball skills, and playmaking ability. Burnett is almost as good as Berry.

I keep saying that if Dunta leaves we should take Joe Haden but now I'm thinking that even if Dunta stays by contract or tag, we should go ahead and take Haden anyway. You can never have to many good CB's and with quality depth at CB it would offer us options we haven't had before like possibly trading someone for players or picks cause all teams are always looking at CB's. We could then take a Safety in the 2nd round thus fixing our secondary in one draft. We'd keep Dunta giving us Reeves and Haden at CB as well, quality and depth and by taking a FS in the 2nd round we'd have quality at FS. I also wouldn't mind seeing the Texans try to trade back up into the lower 1st round after picking Joe Haden and try to get Morgan Burnett or maybe trade up into the upper 2nd round for Reshad Jones. Their are lots of available options for us to pursue but almost everything revolves around whether or not Dunta leaves of goes. It should get interesting after the season.
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I think McCain played quite a bit of safety during preseason and the first couple of games. He wasn't the answer there. I don't expect that to change too much in the future either.
 
LonerATO said:
I have been watching a ton of Michiigan football, since I get BTN and it seems that all the early games are Big 10 games. I think the Texans could snag Donovan Warren at CB in the 3rd and I would to get a DT in the 1st, even if the Texans need to trade up. Go RB in the 2nd and get Mitch Petrus OG/Kyle Calloway OT
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If the Texans DTs continue to shut down the opponents RBs as they have for a few games do you see Smith drafting a DT in first let alone trade up? I don't.
 
badboy said:
If the Texans DTs continue to shut down the opponents RBs as they have for a few games do you see Smith drafting a DT in first let alone trade up? I don't.
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As lomg as RB's are being shutdown then no, but I still want to see more of this then 4 games
 
Wolf6151 said:
Round 1, Haden, great pick if we lose Dunta, no arguments from me.
Round2, Oghobaase, good pick and a player with alot of potential. I like the pick but I think we could do better with the pick by taking one of the top OG or FS.
Round3, Gerhart, I like the player but again feel that we could do better with the pick. Again a top ranked OG or FS.

I think we're going to need more than 1 O-lineman from this draft and I don't mean late round backup/developemental players. CB, OGx2, and FS are our top needs IMO. I think we should address DT in FA, we're not very good at picking DT's in the draft.
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Im with ya on the OL but I want a center and a guard .... not two guards.
 
I could see the Texans drafting

Rd.1 CB
Rd.2 S
Rd.3 G
Dunta compensatory pick
Rd.3 G

I think Caldwell will eventually take over the C spot by the middle of next year.
 
steelbtexan said:
I could see the Texans drafting

Rd.1 CB
Rd.2 S
Rd.3 G
Dunta compensatory pick
Rd.3 G

I think Caldwell will eventually take over the C spot by the middle of next year.
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Take out either Safety or CB in that list and add runningback instead
 
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steelbtexan said:
I could see the Texans drafting

Rd.1 CB
Rd.2 S
Rd.3 G
Dunta compensatory pick
Rd.3 G

I think Caldwell will eventually take over the C spot by the middle of next year.
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I like your idea and draft priority list. Here's my idea for post season priorities and position scenario. I'm hoping that Dunta starts playing better, thus making himself more valuable in a trade scenario. The Texans could use the transition tag on him, pay is average of the top 10 CB's in the league instead of the top 5 for the franchise tag, this move reduces Duntas salary making him easier to trade and get something for him. Hopefully we get a 2nd round pick, I'd ask for a 1st but settle for a 2nd quickly, thus giving us two 2nd round picks. This might be wishful thinking. My priority list is the same as yours:
1. CB
2. FS
2. G
3. G
4. FS/SS
5. RB

I agree there's no need for an early RB until we fix the O-line and there's no need for a C since Caldwell should be starting by next year. Dixon or Williams should be available in the 5th round since they'll be running a slow 40 time at the combine.
 
nobody understands Texans needs like own fans. but talent that's another thing.....would suggest a similar strategy as last draft except flipping one & two, meaning 1st rd. DL second LB third OG/C fourth CB fifth maybe a RB. would like to see Rick combine the two 6th's & 7th to move up into one of the earlier rounds for a FS.
 
beerlover said:
nobody understands Texans needs like own fans. but talent that's another thing.....would suggest a similar strategy as last draft except flipping one & two, meaning 1st rd. DL second LB third OG/C fourth CB fifth maybe a RB. would like to see Rick combine the two 6th's & 7th to move up into one of the earlier rounds for a FS.
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I just don't feel comfortable with this team taking a RB in the later rounds, when they need a real pounder. We could see a record number of juniors coming out for the draft and the Texans could then get a LB in the later rounds.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/10/23/xos.nfl/index.html
 
LonerATO said:
I just don't feel comfortable with this team taking a RB in the later rounds, when they need a real pounder. We could see a record number of juniors coming out for the draft and the Texans could then get a LB in the later rounds.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/10/23/xos.nfl/index.html
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there is an abundance of RB's looking for work, you don't have to spend a high pick to get one, that would be a luxury. maybe in a couple more years? I wouldn't mind drafting someone you know is going to be a stud but that's just not Denver/Kubiak/Rick Smith MO. 5th rd. seems logical, could crack this roster (third on depth chart) must play special teams & have ability to block, played in spread bonus, size/speed +
 
steelbtexan said:
I could see the Texans drafting

Rd.1 CB
Rd.2 S
Rd.3 G
Dunta compensatory pick
Rd.3 G

I think Caldwell will eventually take over the C spot by the middle of next year.
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Mark it down, Dunta will be on roster next season barring another severe injury.
 
beerlover said:
there is an abundance of RB's looking for work, you don't have to spend a high pick to get one, that would be a luxury. maybe in a couple more years? I wouldn't mind drafting someone you know is going to be a stud but that's just not Denver/Kubiak/Rick Smith MO. 5th rd. seems logical, could crack this roster (third on depth chart) must play special teams & have ability to block, played in spread bonus, size/speed +
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Thank you. Everyone wants us to use a first day pick on a RB when in reality we could use a 4th or even 5th round pick and still get a quality guy. RB is the easiest position to transition to in the NFL and it is almost always one of the deepest positions in the draft. Grab some DB's and O-Lineman early and we should be good.
 
beerlover said:
there is an abundance of RB's looking for work, you don't have to spend a high pick to get one, that would be a luxury. maybe in a couple more years? I wouldn't mind drafting someone you know is going to be a stud but that's just not Denver/Kubiak/Rick Smith MO. 5th rd. seems logical, could crack this roster (third on depth chart) must play special teams & have ability to block, played in spread bonus, size/speed +
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I understand your position but the MO has been to push running game to establish the pass. That MO has changed plus Slaton was a third round so drafting a back in that round is not out of the question. We have done poorly with RB free agents and I do not see that as an avenue to fix our problem. Draft comes with no guarantees either leaving a trade as best approach but I just don't see that. I think Gerhart and Dixon will be gone by the time we draft in 3rd so I have at 2nd round. Problem is I had to move our pick from 14 to 16 after the Bengal win and depending on how we beat Bills may need to adjust it a bit higher. That might eliminate these two backs.
 
Corrosion said:
Im with ya on the OL but I want a center and a guard .... not two guards.
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There are guards that are very good centers in this draft. That seems to be the way Texans draft o line. The two on my board play all 3 positions well. Many think including me that Caldwell will start at either center or guard. I can see Myers moving to guard with Studdard holding LG one more year to replace Pitts and train a new rookie.
 
Corrosion said:
Im with ya on the OL but I want a center and a guard .... not two guards.
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This draft has several o linemen that can play more than one position which seems to be Texans philosophy. On my board i have two players that play all 3 spots well. Many folks including me think Caldwell will be a starter at center with Myers starting at right guard his better position. Briesel will back up and Studdard may hold on as Pitts replacement until a rookie can take over left guard. Hopefully, our o line will be better 2nd half and into next season.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I like your idea and draft priority list. Here's my idea for post season priorities and position scenario. I'm hoping that Dunta starts playing better, thus making himself more valuable in a trade scenario. The Texans could use the transition tag on him, pay is average of the top 10 CB's in the league instead of the top 5 for the franchise tag, this move reduces Duntas salary making him easier to trade and get something for him. Hopefully we get a 2nd round pick, I'd ask for a 1st but settle for a 2nd quickly, thus giving us two 2nd round picks. This might be wishful thinking. My priority list is the same as yours:
1. CB
2. FS
2. G
3. G
4. FS/SS
5. RB

I agree there's no need for an early RB until we fix the O-line and there's no need for a C since Caldwell should be starting by next year. Dixon or Williams should be available in the 5th round since they'll be running a slow 40 time at the combine.
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I agree that a 2nd for DR would be sweet but do not see it happening. I think he'll be on our team. Our CB positon has been doing better and Polland strengthened safeties. We have one more game before Manning cuts loose and it will be interesting to see how the Dbacks perform.

What running back are you going to get in 5th that will improve the team? You have to get another Slaton clone and we have Moats to copy Slaton now. That would be a waste of the pick imo. There are guard/centers in 4th and 5th that will push the starters and be more viable selections.
 
beerlover said:
nobody understands Texans needs like own fans. but talent that's another thing.....would suggest a similar strategy as last draft except flipping one & two, meaning 1st rd. DL second LB third OG/C fourth CB fifth maybe a RB. would like to see Rick combine the two 6th's & 7th to move up into one of the earlier rounds for a FS.
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How is Travis Johnson doing after the trade? Gonna earns us a move up to 5th round?
 
LonerATO said:
I just don't feel comfortable with this team taking a RB in the later rounds, when they need a real pounder. We could see a record number of juniors coming out for the draft and the Texans could then get a LB in the later rounds.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/10/23/xos.nfl/index.html
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Here is a scenario; Texans are picking 19th and CJ Spiller RB 5'11" 195 4.37 speed. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66483&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB is there.

1. Spiller with the idea that Slaton needs to reduce carries and keep fresh until 4th quarter. Cut Brown:Slaton, Spiller, Moats and Foster is your corps.
2. Oghobaase DT http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=56563&draftyear=2010&genpos=DT
3. Myron Lewis CB/FS:DR remains & I'd move Quinn to FS.http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=78354&draftyear=2010&genpos=CB
4. Thomas Austin OG/C/T {replaces Studdard LG; Caldwell C, Myer RG, } Brisiel and Studdard are back ups.
5. Tyler Sash FS/CB/SS http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=236653 5 INTS 2008 5 in 09 already.
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sa****yler00.html
5B from TJ trade Micah Johnson ILB http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65555&draftyear=2010&genpos=ILB

I'd jump all over this.
 
badboy said:
I'm not arguing but based on what? Gut instinct?
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Based on his play. He just doesnt make enough plays to be rated as high as he is.

badboy said:
Some say his 40 was on a fast tract but this guy is huge for a FS/CB.
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This is exactly what his rating is based on. His athletic ability. He reminds me of another Boss Bailey or Manny Lawson. He will test of the charts at the combine but will he play up to that level is the big question. I wanted Mays to be the next great S prospect but just havent seen it. Berry is head and shoulders a better prospect. In fact I dont know if Mays is even #2 at this point.


badboy said:
I understand your position but the MO has been to push running game to establish the pass. That MO has changed plus Slaton was a third round so drafting a back in that round is not out of the question. We have done poorly with RB free agents and I do not see that as an avenue to fix our problem. Draft comes with no guarantees either leaving a trade as best approach but I just don't see that. I think Gerhart and Dixon will be gone by the time we draft in 3rd so I have at 2nd round. Problem is I had to move our pick from 14 to 16 after the Bengal win and depending on how we beat Bills may need to adjust it a bit higher. That might eliminate these two backs.
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Last year we were said to be targeting Glen Coffee in the third round. We only drafted Caldwell after Coffee was taken before us by SF.
 
mussop said:
Based on his play. He just doesnt make enough plays to be rated as high as he is.



This is exactly what his rating is based on. His athletic ability. He reminds me of another Boss Bailey or Manny Lawson. He will test of the charts at the combine but will he play up to that level is the big question. I wanted Mays to be the next great S prospect but just havent seen it. Berry is head and shoulders a better prospect. In fact I dont know if Mays is even #2 at this point.




Last year we were said to be targeting Glen Coffee in the third round. We only drafted Caldwell after Coffee was taken before us by SF.
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Agreed so drafting a RB in 3rd or maybe 2nd is possible.

I think you are wrong on Mays but we will see. NFL evaluated him in April as a first round pick. They are usually pretty good. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/collegesports/2009679710_withersusc18.html

Also Pete Carroll's opinion still matters http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/25/sports/sp-mays25 even if it is his player.

Oct 26th update Waltersfootball.com http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010tmays.php
Now if you are saying this season has not been as good, he is coming off injury that forced him out against Washington.
.http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/09/usc-football-taylor-mays-pete-carroll.html
 
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