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Fire Frank Bush

I'm sorry, but this guy is got to go......he doesn't know what the **** he's doing out there.

And Kubiak, you're dumbass decision to hold promote a guy who was part of the staff that gave you one of the league's worst defenses over the past 3 years is going to get your ass fired as well.

Who the hell promotes a assistant off of the worst defense in the league???? Seriously
 
The Texans chose to hire him (Bush). When they were absolutely and without any semblance of a doubt in dire need of correcting their defensive problems they did not go seek out the services of an accomplished defensive mind with an established identity and a demonstrably effective scheme. Instead they* chose to hire a friend. They hired a guy they knew and thought was ready to step up to the next level. They then went out and got him some more help in the form of Antoine Smith, Cushing and Barwin.

Frank Bush's defense is ****. It sucks as much as Richard Smith's defense sucked. It can't get off the field. It can't stop anybody. They can't tackle, they don't communicate, and they can't focus. Mental mistakes rule the day and we have done what I literally did not think was possible with these players. We've regressed from the stooges that Richard Smith coached into the coma patients that Frank Bush coaches. The only thing about last weeks game in Tennessee that meant anything was the obscene yardage and point production of the Titans. That was real. Everything else about this team turning a corner and finally reaching some new level of play was all bullshit. They played tough because they were humiliated by the Jets.

If you have to get humiliated the week before to play like you're capable then you're a perennial 8-8 team. If the only time you step up and act like you got a pair is right after someone kicks you in them then you might as well not have any at all.

Actually I am not displeased at all with the offense today. With Studdard taking Pitts place and this being the Jaguars who always play us tough I'm happy with 24 points so far. I understand the problems we're dealing with on that side of the ball. The defense though, those guys are worthless with a handful of exceptions and those exceptions would be good players no matter where they played. Fred Bennett is easily one of the most worthless football players I've ever watched pretend to play the game. He can't cover anybody and he can't tackle anybody. That limp attempt at bring down Jones-Drew during the screen to the right side in the third quarter sent me away from my television in disgust.

Frank Bush is the hire that's going to send Gary Kubiak back to his first, best career as somebody else's offensive coordinator. I can't believe that with his head coaching career on the line that ****ing Butthead impersonator hired Frank Bush to save his butt. What a joke. Pity it's on US again.

*By "they" I mean primarily Gary Kubiak but I concede that his decisions receive the blessings of Rick Smith and Bob McNair.
 
fire frank bush?

we played against the best rb's in the league...
thomas jones, leon washington
chris johnson
mjd

yeah they do give up too many yards, big plays, and 3rd downs, but 3 weeks of football doesnt mean ****.
 
SteveSlaton20 said:
fire frank bush?

we played against the best rb's in the league...
thomas jones, leon washington
chris johnson
mjd

yeah they do give up too many yards, big plays, and 3rd downs, but 3 weeks of football doesnt mean ****.
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go away.

How many 60+ yard tds do you want to waqtch on defense?

Yeah, they give up 30 points a game and 500 yards of offense, and yeah they suck at every facet of defense, and yeah they cost us games but lets not hold that against them. Lets pretend like everythings rosy and that our defense doesn't suck.
 
to me 3 weeks do mean something.. it is one game less than a 1/4 of a season.. this defense has no pass rush still and give up at least 1 or 2 20+ yards on a rush.

I am not big on "firing" threads early in the season, but I have not seen any overall improvement on this defense.. no way this team is a playoff team and really not sure if this team is 8-8 team..

Offensively.. this team is good ... Defensively.. not being able to make stops, no pass rush, (esp up the middle) ,blitzing is predictable

we have given up 24,31,31 points in three games so far.. yikes
 
i dont kno if i blame bush this week...bennett was the major problem he was HORRIBLE at tackling...every play he was near the player literally slipped through his tackle...we would have had sum major stops if not for fred
 
The defense has more talent, but yet is worse than last year. How in the hell does that happen?
 
i can't call for bush to be fired yet. i thought our players were in positiion to make plays and necessary stops (for the jags game). they whiffed tackles, missed assignments and over pursued. Bennett is pretty awful and our interchangeable SS is slow and does not have the smarts to start.
 
I don't want Kubiak at the podium today.. I want to see Frank Bush up there answering some damn questions
 
Hervoyel said:
The Texans chose to hire him (Bush). When they were absolutely and without any semblance of a doubt in dire need of correcting their defensive problems they did not go seek out the services of an accomplished defensive mind with an established identity and a demonstrably effective scheme. Instead they* chose to hire a friend. They hired a guy they knew and thought was ready to step up to the next level. They then went out and got him some more help in the form of Antoine Smith, Cushing and Barwin.

Frank Bush's defense is ****. It sucks as much as Richard Smith's defense sucked. It can't get off the field. It can't stop anybody. They can't tackle, they don't communicate, and they can't focus. Mental mistakes rule the day and we have done what I literally did not think was possible with these players. We've regressed from the stooges that Richard Smith coached into the coma patients that Frank Bush coaches. The only thing about last weeks game in Tennessee that meant anything was the obscene yardage and point production of the Titans. That was real. Everything else about this team turning a corner and finally reaching some new level of play was all bullshit. They played tough because they were humiliated by the Jets.

If you have to get humiliated the week before to play like you're capable then you're a perennial 8-8 team. If the only time you step up and act like you got a pair is right after someone kicks you in them then you might as well not have any at all.

Actually I am not displeased at all with the offense today. With Studdard taking Pitts place and this being the Jaguars who always play us tough I'm happy with 24 points so far. I understand the problems we're dealing with on that side of the ball. The defense though, those guys are worthless with a handful of exceptions and those exceptions would be good players no matter where they played. Fred Bennett is easily one of the most worthless football players I've ever watched pretend to play the game. He can't cover anybody and he can't tackle anybody. That limp attempt at bring down Jones-Drew during the screen to the right side in the third quarter sent me away from my television in disgust.

Frank Bush is the hire that's going to send Gary Kubiak back to his first, best career as somebody else's offensive coordinator. I can't believe that with his head coaching career on the line that ****ing Butthead impersonator hired Frank Bush to save his butt. What a joke. Pity it's on US again.

*By "they" I mean primarily Gary Kubiak but I concede that his decisions receive the blessings of Rick Smith and Bob McNair.
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Great post Herv and I feel the same. I'm just so tired of losing.
 
rollinstone18 said:
i can't call for bush to be fired yet. i thought our players were in positiion to make plays and necessary stops (for the jags game). they whiffed tackles, missed assignments and over pursued. Bennett is pretty awful and our interchangeable SS is slow and does not have the smarts to start.
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I'm sorry but that is still on Bush. And I didn't think anyone could do a worse job than Richard Smith.
 
rollinstone18 said:
i can't call for bush to be fired yet. i thought our players were in positiion to make plays and necessary stops (for the jags game). they whiffed tackles, missed assignments and over pursued. Bennett is pretty awful and our interchangeable SS is slow and does not have the smarts to start.
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Yep...

People can say what they want about Dunta & his tackling, but it's pretty clear who offenses are targeting when they throw the ball & it ain't Dunta. Nearly every completion gerrard had today came against Bennett.

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rollinstone18 said:
i can't call for bush to be fired yet. i thought our players were in positiion to make plays and necessary stops (for the jags game). they whiffed tackles, missed assignments and over pursued. Bennett is pretty awful and our interchangeable SS is slow and does not have the smarts to start.
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The DC puts in the "system", "scheme", whatever and teaches it to the players. Now you say that the players are in a position to make plays and just somehow don't make them and so that's on them but that's not the whole story.

The DC and all his coaches (don't they outnumber the players by now?) are responsible for making sure these guys know how to tackle. This is basic stuff here. They don't practice tackling? They don't practice their assignments?

Honestly our secondary is worthless. Not one of those guys back there is worth what we're paying them and Dunta is just as much a piece of **** as the rest of them. He's a tackle missing, pass interfering, overpaid stooge who I can't wait to see off this team. All he does is make a couple of hits every game, blow a lot of tackles, give up a few big plays, and then talk a lot of crap after it's over. That he's our best DB at the moment isn't a credit to Dunta. It's an indictment of everyone else associated with drafting, signing, coaching, or playing in our secondary.

That they suck doesn't get Bush off of the hook. It just means he doesn't belong on there by himself. We don't address the problem and when we do we are apparently back to our old drafting ways. Since 2006 we've drafted 3 safeties and 4 cornerbacks and to a man they all suck. The myth of our new regime drafting well is starting to unravel a bit don't you guys think?

I digress though. Having that unit ready to play is Frank Bush's responsibility and they're not failing to grasp the complex nuances of a complicated defense. They're forgetting how to tackle. If Frank Bush can't take average to below average NFL players and instill in them a desire and focus on something as basic as tackling then I want him gone because he's a lousy defensive coach.
 
most of the time a players were in the right position or should have been (on that big run), its our crappy defensive players playing like sh*t

bennett played horrible, missed almost every tackle he attempted (not an exaggeration) and busing missed alot to/was out of position. Bush had them in the right spot but OUR PLAYERS CRAPPED OUT
 
has anyone ever been fired after 3 games? not saying he shouldn't, just that he won't. we have 13 more games of this.
 
Hervoyel said:
The Texans chose to hire him (Bush). When they were absolutely and without any semblance of a doubt in dire need of correcting their defensive problems they did not go seek out the services of an accomplished defensive mind with an established identity and a demonstrably effective scheme. Instead they* chose to hire a friend. They hired a guy they knew and thought was ready to step up to the next level. They then went out and got him some more help in the form of Antoine Smith, Cushing and Barwin.

Frank Bush's defense is ****. It sucks as much as Richard Smith's defense sucked. It can't get off the field. It can't stop anybody. They can't tackle, they don't communicate, and they can't focus. Mental mistakes rule the day and we have done what I literally did not think was possible with these players. We've regressed from the stooges that Richard Smith coached into the coma patients that Frank Bush coaches. The only thing about last weeks game in Tennessee that meant anything was the obscene yardage and point production of the Titans. That was real. Everything else about this team turning a corner and finally reaching some new level of play was all bullshit. They played tough because they were humiliated by the Jets.

If you have to get humiliated the week before to play like you're capable then you're a perennial 8-8 team. If the only time you step up and act like you got a pair is right after someone kicks you in them then you might as well not have any at all.

Actually I am not displeased at all with the offense today. With Studdard taking Pitts place and this being the Jaguars who always play us tough I'm happy with 24 points so far. I understand the problems we're dealing with on that side of the ball. The defense though, those guys are worthless with a handful of exceptions and those exceptions would be good players no matter where they played. Fred Bennett is easily one of the most worthless football players I've ever watched pretend to play the game. He can't cover anybody and he can't tackle anybody. That limp attempt at bring down Jones-Drew during the screen to the right side in the third quarter sent me away from my television in disgust.

Frank Bush is the hire that's going to send Gary Kubiak back to his first, best career as somebody else's offensive coordinator. I can't believe that with his head coaching career on the line that ****ing Butthead impersonator hired Frank Bush to save his butt. What a joke. Pity it's on US again.

*By "they" I mean primarily Gary Kubiak but I concede that his decisions receive the blessings of Rick Smith and Bob McNair.
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I agree , you hire OC/DC with no experience , you put your head on the chopping block . In layman's terms ... it all rolls down hill .
 
swtbound07 said:
go away.

How many 60+ yard tds do you want to waqtch on defense?

Yeah, they give up 30 points a game and 500 yards of offense, and yeah they suck at every facet of defense, and yeah they cost us games but lets not hold that against them. Lets pretend like everythings rosy and that our defense doesn't suck.
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You know.. I sat in the stands for 180 minutes today. I cheered... I booed... I jumped up & down.... overall, I had a good time. There were some things I saw on the field that I liked. Lots of things that I didn't.

But what upsets me most right now, is not that we lost the game. But the reaction from the fans & the media.

Last week, everybody was on the bandwagon, talking about heart & all that crap. But we played the exact same way against the Jets the week before, when we were "unprepared" & headed for a coaching change in the off-season. The only exception, was that our QB, Offensive Coordinator, or Head Coach were too timid to test the Jets Secondary (something we'll probably fail to do next week against the Raiders). But we couldn't run the ball, and we gave up huge plays on defense against the ground game. & when we forced the QB to improvise, our "pay me first" secondary didn't show up.

Same thing this week. Only the running game seemed to open up a little... Slaton ended the day averaging 6.3 ypc.

Defensively, same thing. except we didn't allow any runs over 62 yards. We are pretty bad defensively, I'm not going to deny that. But at no time did I think we were out of this game. In the last 2 minutes of the game, I'm still in my seat, because I think we can get a bad call overturned.

My point, is if we get that touchdown, if we make the two point conversion, or win in overtime..... we'd be talking about the heart our team has. & about what a good game that was.

swtbound07, you may have been one of the few who was still calling for Bush to be fired last week, I don't know. But generally speaking, the whole team won a reprieve last week with the general fans & media.

I understand this is year 8. I understand it's 4 years of Kubiak. I understand it looks like the same old same old.

But what does it mean to support a team?

I know we've got issues on defense. You know we've got issues on defense. I'm sure the Texans know we've got issues on defense, & I know they are working on it.

Did anyone expect us to get this fixed this week? I know the Jags have been having issues, but that is MJD, and we are who we are.

That's what I get out of a "Fire Frank Bush" thread.

Let Frank Bush know we're upset...... I'm good with that. Let Frank Bush know we expect better... I agree.

But I'm just not understanding what we're expecting to see. from one week to the next.

For me, the most disappointing thing about the game, was to lose it on a fumble at the goal line from a guy that half the board was begging to get the start, the most carries.

I understand it's not a good thing when our defense allows a sputtering offense to dictate what they're going to do.

But I'd much rather see them play this style of defense, and get better at it, than to watch them revert to the piss poor Richard Smith bend over and take it defense that we've seen the last two years.

I'm hoping Kubiak & Bush have the gnads to stay the course & work on getting better, and not cave to the "pressure" I'm sure they are feeling. Most likely they'll lose their jobs at the end of the season. If it were me, I'd rather loose it trying to get better (what a coach is supposed to do), instead of trying not to get worse (which IMHO is what we've been doing at least for the last 6 years).

But that's just me.
 
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thunderkyss said:
You know.. I sat in the stands for 180 minutes today. I cheered... I booed... I jumped up & down.... overall, I had a good time. There were some things I saw on the field that I liked. Lots of things that I didn't.

But what upsets me most right now, is not that we lost the game. But the reaction from the fans & the media.

Last week, everybody was on the bandwagon, talking about heart & all that crap. But we played the exact same way against the Jets the week before, when we were "unprepared" & headed for a coaching change in the off-season. The only exception, was that our QB, Offensive Coordinator, or Head Coach were too timid to test the Jets Secondary (something we'll probably fail to do next week against the Raiders). But we couldn't run the ball, and we gave up huge plays on defense against the ground game. & when we forced the QB to improvise, our "pay me first" secondary didn't show up.

Same thing this week. Only the running game seemed to open up a little... Slaton ended the day averaging 6.3 ypc.

Defensively, same thing. except we didn't allow any runs over 62 yards. We are pretty bad defensively, I'm not going to deny that. But at no time did I think we were out of this game. In the last 2 minutes of the game, I'm still in my seat, because I think we can get a bad call overturned.

My point, is if we get that touchdown, if we make the two point conversion, or win in overtime..... we'd be talking about the heart our team has. & about what a good game that was.

swtbound07, you may have been one of the few who was still calling for Bush to be fired last week, I don't know. But generally speaking, the whole team won a reprieve last week with the general fans & media.

I understand this is year 8. I understand it's 4 years of Kubiak. I understand it looks like the same old same old.

But what does it mean to support a team?

I know we've got issues on defense. You know we've got issues on defense. I'm sure the Texans know we've got issues on defense, & I know they are working on it.

Did anyone expect us to get this fixed this week? I know the Jags have been having issues, but that is MJD, and we are who we are.

That's what I get out of a "Fire Frank Bush" thread.

Let Frank Bush know we're upset...... I'm good with that. Let Frank Bush know we expect better... I agree.

But I'm just not understanding what we're expecting to see. from one week to the next.

For me, the most disappointing thing about the game, was to lose it on a fumble at the goal line from a guy that half the board was begging to get the start, the most carries.

I understand it's not a good thing when our defense allows a sputtering offense to dictate what they're going to do.

But I'd much rather see them play this style of defense, and get better at it, than to watch them revert to the piss poor Richard Smith bend over and take it defense that we've seen the last two years.

I'm hoping Kubiak & Bush have the gnads to stay the course & work on getting better, and not cave to the "pressure" I'm sure they are feeling. Most likely they'll lose their jobs at the end of the season. If it were me, I'd rather loose it trying to get better (what a coach is supposed to do), instead of trying not to get worse (which IMHO is what we've been doing at least for the last 6 years).

But that's just me.
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Actually Smith's defense was better than this one so far. How many 3rd and longs did we give up today? One of the crappiest teams in the NFL had their way with us today. We have lost our first 2 home games so far. By my calculations we have to win out at home to have a chance at the playoffs. We suck as a road team. Cincy is looking tougher and tougher. San Fran will tear us apart. Jamarcus Russell will look like a pro bowler against us. Face it Thunder the Texans defense is pathetic. We have added better players but somehow Bush can't put it all together. It looks like an undiciplined mess. A complete embarrassment.
 
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bckey said:
Actually Smith's defense was better than this one so far.
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We averaged over 30 points against us over the first six games last season.

& I think in Richard Smiths first year, when we played Philly, then Indy, then Washington, or something like that, we gave up over 400 yards a game.
 
thunderkyss said:
You know.. I sat in the stands for 180 minutes today. I cheered... I booed... I jumped up & down.... overall, I had a good time. There were some things I saw on the field that I liked. Lots of things that I didn't.

But what upsets me most right now, is not that we lost the game. But the reaction from the fans & the media.
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Many of the fans (myself included) are done waiting for this to change. The reaction from the fans is entirely appropriate in my opinion. We have better players (supposedly), a better DC (supposedly), and a better philosophy (supposedly) and we're seeing worse results than we did the season prior to this. We've been watching the defense suck since 2002. We've been watching Gary Kubiak's defense suck since the day he arrived and every year we're told that this is going to get straightened out "just around the corner". We're always "a player or two away" from being able to do what the coaches want or we "just need time to gel". You know, I'm sick of waiting for that while other teams go from bad to good inside the time it takes Gary Kubiak to figure out which former co-worker, employers son, employees son, or coach he once shared a ham sandwich with in Denver to hire next. He didn't even TRY to bring an established DC in here! He just went back to his little black book of friends (who conveniently happened to be on staff this time) and selected Frank Bush. Time's up man. 3 years to fix a defense is a year and half too long when someone who actually knows what they're doing is involved. **** Frank Bush and **** Gary Kubiak. They're getting paid to assemble this ****. We're paying money to have to watch it.

thunderkyss said:
Last week, everybody was on the bandwagon, talking about heart & all that crap. But we played the exact same way against the Jets the week before, when we were "unprepared" & headed for a coaching change in the off-season. The only exception, was that our QB, Offensive Coordinator, or Head Coach were too timid to test the Jets Secondary (something we'll probably fail to do next week against the Raiders). But we couldn't run the ball, and we gave up huge plays on defense against the ground game. & when we forced the QB to improvise, our "pay me first" secondary didn't show up.
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Last week I said "If they come home and suck against Jacksonville then this win means nothing" and I was right. I'm still right where I was the week before after the Jets game.

thunderkyss said:
Same thing this week. Only the running game seemed to open up a little... Slaton ended the day averaging 6.3 ypc.

Defensively, same thing. except we didn't allow any runs over 62 yards. We are pretty bad defensively, I'm not going to deny that. But at no time did I think we were out of this game. In the last 2 minutes of the game, I'm still in my seat, because I think we can get a bad call overturned.
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I spent most of the last quarter of this game on the computer and away from the television. I'm telling you I really can't watch them "play" anymore. I'm almost completely incapable of sitting through a Texans game. I get so mad that I'm afraid I'm going to throw a beer through my TV. My wife won't stay at home during a game. She finds something else to do somewhere else. That's my anger management problem but I watched the Cougars last night without any of these problems. I watched the LSU game on Saturday with the same calm. It's the Texans and their shitty defense that lets everyone go up and down the field on them that pisses me off so much. It's the Texans and their incompetence when the game is on the line that I'm learning to hate. At no time once I'd seen a series or two did I think seriously that the Texans would find a way to beat the Jaguars. That's where I'm coming from. The instant that Gary made the challenge I knew it was doomed to failure because this is the Texans and that's what they do.

thunderkyss said:
My point, is if we get that touchdown, if we make the two point conversion, or win in overtime..... we'd be talking about the heart our team has. & about what a good game that was.
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My point is we NEVER "get that touchdown". We seemingly always lose that call, throw that interception, fumble that ball, or blow that assignment and give up the big run or pass.

thunderkyss said:
swtbound07, you may have been one of the few who was still calling for Bush to be fired last week, I don't know. But generally speaking, the whole team won a reprieve last week with the general fans & media.

I understand this is year 8. I understand it's 4 years of Kubiak. I understand it looks like the same old same old.
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swt gets it because this IS year 8 and this IS 4 years of Kubiak.

thunderkyss said:
But what does it mean to support a team?
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We finally get to the "What kind of fan are you really?" question. How long do you stay in a bad marriage? How long do you keep handing over the cash without seeing any return on your investment? I'm not sure really. I guess it's different for every individual. There are different levels of investment at first. Later when it becomes obvious what you're looking at I think there are different levels of stupidity. I spot the Texans the first 2-3 years of their existence because I don't think you can ask much of an expansion team but we're in year 8 and they are worse on defense with more talent than they were in 2002. In fact the 2002 defense is the best one we've ever fielded.

I think anyone who expects positive results from the brain trust that gave you this defense today is a fool. It's not going to happen. These coaches don't know how to make them into a team. They don't know how to bring them together. They're a collection of players, some talented and some lousy and nobody is playing over his head out there. This is coaching with one notable exception. The secondary has been ignored for so long that past Dunta and Reeves there's not a player back there that belongs in the NFL.

thunderkyss said:
I know we've got issues on defense. You know we've got issues on defense. I'm sure the Texans know we've got issues on defense, & I know they are working on it.
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They've known and been working on it for going on 4 years. Anyone still waiting for a positive result, well good luck with that.

thunderkyss said:
Did anyone expect us to get this fixed this week? I know the Jags have been having issues, but that is MJD, and we are who we are.

That's what I get out of a "Fire Frank Bush" thread.

Let Frank Bush know we're upset...... I'm good with that. Let Frank Bush know we expect better... I agree.

But I'm just not understanding what we're expecting to see. from one week to the next.
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They told us this team had "turned a corner" remember? They were something different now and playing like they'd never played before. Sure, I expected it to be fixed this week. I expected them to play better than they did the week before. I expected them to TACKLE! Obviously I was asking for too damned much. Look, you're asking us what we expected to change from week to week and I'm telling you that we see them make plays on defense. They tackle guys for a loss all the time. Then, inexplicably they give up monster runs. They hold on first and second down and then they give up third down like they meant to do it the whole time. Which one is it? Are they so bad that they can't stop anybody or are they so good that they're almost able to stop everybody? Who are the guys I see out there making plays on first and second down most of the time?

Why do those guys disappear on third down? WHY? I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEY ****ING GO? I WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY CAN'T STOP ANYBODY ON 3RD DOWN?

Who's coaching them? Who's directing them? They don't go from being talented to being chumps between downs. What's happening on 3rd down? Are they not capable of keeping their attention on an offense for three plays in a row?

thunderkyss said:
For me, the most disappointing thing about the game, was to lose it on a fumble at the goal line from a guy that half the board was begging to get the start, the most carries.

I understand it's not a good thing when our defense allows a sputtering offense to dictate what they're going to do.

But I'd much rather see them play this style of defense, and get better at it, than to watch them revert to the piss poor Richard Smith bend over and take it defense that we've seen the last two years.

I'm hoping Kubiak & Bush have the gnads to stay the course & work on getting better, and not cave to the "pressure" I'm sure they are feeling. Most likely they'll lose their jobs at the end of the season. If it were me, I'd rather loose it trying to get better (what a coach is supposed to do), instead of trying not to get worse (which IMHO is what we've been doing at least for the last 6 years).

But that's just me.
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We're looking at the piss poor Richard Smith bend but don't break defense man. It has a different label on it and a new spokesperson but it's the same damned mess I've been looking at for three years. I hope they stay the course too because they will be fired at the end of the year when this **** comes skreeching into the station under .500 because they couldn't stop anyone and then we'll get our "every four year" crapshoot to see if Bob McNair has figured out how to be an owner yet.

This is 2005 all over again. Who are we rooting for in this years version of the "Bush Bowl"?
 
thunderkyss said:
We averaged over 30 points against us over the first six games last season.

& I think in Richard Smiths first year, when we played Philly, then Indy, then Washington, or something like that, we gave up over 400 yards a game.
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Maybe so but we haven't played any really good teams offensively yet this season and we are letting these teams score big points on us. Throw in the fact that we have given up really big td runs EVERY game even going back to preseason with NO and Minnesota.
 
Hervoyel said:
Who are we rooting for in this years version of the "Bush Bowl"?
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I am no UT fan, so let me make that clear right now.

And I am not blaming Schaub for this mess.

But I'm rooting for Colt McCoy because I think he's a leader. I'm a Tech fan for life, and when I saw him in the post-game news conference after last year's Tech game...all banged up with that nasty-looking chin...I stood up and literally saluted that guy while he spoke.

Had his WRs caught the ball and ran decisive routes in the first half of that game, he's looking at playing for the title.

The guy has "it," IMO. He's got the name ("Colt McCoy," I mean seriously...the dude's name is Colt McCoy and he's a QB. A good one.).

We need to plan for a future, younger QB. He's it, IMO.
 
as I posted on another thread


if I counted everything right from NFL.com


drives and scoring drives against the defense
jets 12 drives with 4 Scores (1 drive ended the half, 1 ended the game)
Titans 13 drives with 5 scores (none ended game/half) we had 2 TO
jags 11 drives with 5 scores (1 drive ended half, 1 ended game and 1 TO)

so if i counted correctly

we have 36 drives with 14 scores (2 ended half, 2 ended game 3 TO)


3rd /4th down percentages

jets 10/18 on 3rd, 2/2 on 4th
Titans 5/16 on 3rd ,2/2 on 4th
Jags 5/11 on 3rd ,1/1 on 4th

totals so far

20/45 on 3rd ,5/5 on 4th

add in total yards given up
jets 462
titans 420
jags 398

Ugly


I need an ice pack on my groin
 
Wolf said:
as I posted on another thread


if I counted everything right from NFL.com


drives and scoring drives against the defense
jets 12 drives with 4 Scores (1 drive ended the half, 1 ended the game)
Titans 13 drives with 5 scores (none ended game/half) we had 2 TO
jags 11 drives with 5 scores (1 drive ended half, 1 ended game and 1 TO)

so if i counted correctly

we have 36 drives with 14 scores (2 ended half, 2 ended game 3 TO)


3rd /4th down percentages

jets 10/18 on 3rd, 2/2 on 4th
Titans 5/16 on 3rd ,2/2 on 4th
Jags 5/11 on 3rd ,1/1 on 4th

totals so far

20/45 on 3rd ,5/5 on 4th

add in total yards given up
jets 462
titans 420
jags 398

Ugly


I need an ice pack on my groin
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That's fairly eye opening. None of these teams is known as a great offensive team really. It doesn't really bother me that we give up big plays only because we can't stop them from moving the ball with small bites or one big one play. To me, our offense can keep us in any game in the NFL, but until we get a defense that can put together some stops, we're going to be a .500 team at best
 
interesting quote on the jags part.. I don't know what Frank bush has done to the playbook but this is what the Jags did

Linebacker Quentin Groves said the Jaguars’ ability to add pressure was the result of a simplification of the playbook. During the first two games, the Jaguars struggled in adjusting to the club’s new 3-4 front.

“We had a lot of indecision, 'what-am-I-supposed-to-do-on-this-play’ stuff that slowed us down,” said Groves, who finished with four tackles, including one for lost yardage. “We shortened the playbook this week and it paid real big dividends. If you think fast, you can play fast.”
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http://jacksonville.com/sports/foot...27/story/del_rio_lights_fire_defense_responds


makes me wonder if our defense isn't responding and giving up gashing plays because we are "thinking" too much

just a brainstorm here
 
Hervoyel said:
Many of the fans (myself included) are done waiting for this to change.
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Wooo Saaaaaa.

Wooo Saaaaaa.

Let me tell how the game is going to play out next week.

We're going to give up 400 yards of offense.

We're not going to throw the ball to Andre Johnson.

We're going to lose the turnover battle.

Do not. I repeat, do not expect any of that to change not this week.

We may still end up winning the game. I don't know how, but that will be the fun part.

All I'm saying, is don't get frustrated when the things you know are going to happen happen. You knew last week was a fluke more than anything. You under-estimated the Jaguars, over-estimated Frank Bush (I don't know how you let that happen)

Frank Bush won't be fired over the next 6 days. I can't think of anyway he can fix all the problems he's got in that time either.

Better yet, go ahead & pick up Justin Fargus, Darren McFadden, or Michael Bush for your fantasy team, and start them next week.
 
swtbound07 said:
go away.

How many 60+ yard tds do you want to waqtch on defense?

Yeah, they give up 30 points a game and 500 yards of offense, and yeah they suck at every facet of defense, and yeah they cost us games but lets not hold that against them. Lets pretend like everythings rosy and that our defense doesn't suck.
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Repped

I"ve spent another 3 hrs at Reliant watching the SOS that I've been seeing the last 7 years.

WTF
 
I had a nice 5 hour drive home with my brother today and the consensus was that Bush should have about 3 more games to demonstrate that he can bring our defense out of dead freaking last... after that, he needs to be fired.

It's stupefying and actually a bit nauseating that we are significantly worse than last year even after the personnel improvements we've made.
 
bckey said:
I'm sorry but that is still on Bush. And I didn't think anyone could do a worse job than Richard Smith.
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After 3 yrs of crappy defense with Frank Bush on the staff Kubes gets the bright idea (lets fire Dick Smith and hire somebody who contibuted to this cap) BRILLIANT

I TOO want to hear Frank Bush speak.
 
the post game quote thread, had him speak.

lots of Kubiak speak V1.1

Players saying that bush puts them in position but they aren't making the plays

maybe I am still frustrated, but I am not buying it .. I don't know if the players are buying it either , unless they are thinking too much during the action

I have a quote going through my mind today from one of the announcers early in the game

he said something to the effect of "all these guys can play but can they play within the scheme"

someone that dvr'd the game might catch exactly what was said, it was early and I believe and they were talking about the jags player
 
Firing a DC is a major issue thats why teams are so hesitant to make a change. Changing a scheme can make good players look lost, Chuck Cecil's new scheme in TN has the three pro bowlers in his secondary so lost they blew the coverage on AJ! Please forgetting to key on AJ is like not leaving Chris Johnson uncovered at WR. Oh yeah we did that! Losing Haynsworth didnt help but its been mentioned on several show on the NFLN etc that changing scheme and DC's is a hard adjustment for pro bowlers let alone the rag tag group in our secondary. Fred Bennett was killing me today!

Even the players admit they have the right scheme and are just failing to get in position. Thats a matter of coaching but its not the same a a bad scheme.
 
Many of the mistakes I am seeing are mental. For instance on the long TD run by MJD, Busing was 100% totally out of position. You can't do that **** and expect to win games. This D IS actually winning more one on one battles. They have more stops for losses than last year, and they are stopping more backs for little or no gain. They look faster, bigger and more talented.

And yet, they suck. Not that they were great outside the big plays, but it's these half dozen or so plays where they just go absolutely brain dead that is just KILLING this Defense. Take those away, and they might be "ok". Folks an OK defense not giving up huge plays with this offense is a 10-11 win type team.

At this point, I have to also question hiring from within. It's like putting your hand into a pile of **** and hoping you grab a diamond and when you come out with a turd, you act surprised. Gregg Williams would have been a great and smart choice. At least pretend to go out and look for the best coordinator available. It's painfully obvious that Bush is in over his head and if they don't stop making these totally inexcusable mental mistakes, I'm going to want an in season firing of Mr. Bush. That crap just HAS to stop.
 
Htownsportsfan said:
Firing a DC is a major issue thats why teams are so hesitant to make a change. Changing a scheme can make good players look lost, Chuck Cecil's new scheme in TN has the three pro bowlers in his secondary so lost they blew the coverage on AJ! Please forgetting to key on AJ is like not leaving Chris Johnson uncovered at WR. Oh yeah we did that! Losing Haynsworth didnt help but its been mentioned on several show on the NFLN etc that changing scheme and DC's is a hard adjustment for pro bowlers let alone the rag tag group in our secondary. Fred Bennett was killing me today!

Even the players admit they have the right scheme and are just failing to get in position. Thats a matter of coaching but its not the same a a bad scheme.
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Bingo. As the D-coordinator, If you're expecting the run & you put 8-10 guys in the box and guys still break for 60+ yarders? i don't think that's a scheme or play-call thing. Someone in that box needs to make a sure tackle. Lots of times, guys were getting 1st downs after 1st contact or after the 1st person whiffed on a tackle.

If i'm the defensive coaches, i know what im spending at least half of practice each day for the entire week on...
 
Everyone on defense didn't just suddenly get bad or lose their football instincts and fundamentals. It's almost inconceivable that 3 games in a row of bottom of the barrel defense is just our players making lots and lots of mental mistakes. We didn't just forget how to tackle.

Practicing good tackling and encouraging less mental mistakes is not going to fix our defense. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Statistically speaking, the players on our defense are more or less average at tackling and average at awareness/focus. It makes absolutely no sense to say that our defensive scheme is perfectly fine but we have just coincidentally made more mental mistakes game after game than any other team. That just doesn't happen.

The problem is coaching. Plain and simple. There is no other plausible explanation for a fairly talented group playing this badly.
 
Man Denver's new D under Mike Nolan looks freaking good. I had to point that out since we are talking about firing Frank Bush.
 
wagonhed said:
Everyone on defense didn't just suddenly get bad or lose their football instincts and fundamentals. It's almost inconceivable that 3 games in a row of bottom of the barrel defense is just our players making lots and lots of mental mistakes. We didn't just forget how to tackle.

Practicing good tackling and encouraging less mental mistakes is not going to fix our defense. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Statistically speaking, the players on our defense are more or less average at tackling and average at awareness/focus. It makes absolutely no sense to say that our defensive scheme is perfectly fine but we have just coincidentally made more mental mistakes game after game than any other team. That just doesn't happen.

The problem is coaching. Plain and simple. There is no other plausible explanation for a fairly talented group playing this badly.
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What are you basing "fairly talented" on? we were **** at tackling last year too! We've seemingly only made 1 improvement in talent from last year in Cushing. the coaching staff at every defensive position has been changed at least once already.

i challenge you (if you can stomach it) to go back and watch how many times the rb/wr broke a tackle or made one of our guys miss & then ask yourself what would have become of that drive if the 1st defensive guy to the ball got the offensive guy down right then and there.
 
What I'm saying is that it's extremely improbable that the Texans defense is uniformly worse at tackling than every other team in the NFL. When I say fairly talented, I mean we've got somewhere in the lower-middle range of talent on defense.

It would make sense to blame the problems on defense on a lack of personnel... it would make sense, but it wouldn't be very accurate. Our personnel should put us somewhere in the middle of the pack, especially with how our latest 1st rd pick is turning out. So to say that an averagely talented defense just happens to suck at tackling... it's just statistically unlikely. Every defensive player in the NFL misses tackles and makes mental mistakes. The difference between us and the other averagely talented defenses (49ers) is not that our players can't tackle, it's that we have terrible coaching.
 
wagonhed said:
What I'm saying is that it's extremely improbable that the Texans defense is uniformly worse at tackling than every other team in the NFL. When I say fairly talented, I mean we've got somewhere in the lower-middle range of talent on defense.


The difference between us and the other averagely talented defenses (49ers) is not that our players can't tackle, it's that we have terrible coaching.
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Hell, I'll go one step farther. Many people here were talking about how much better we were in the second half of last year. Some gave the credit to Dunta's aura all of a sudden making everyone (everyone but Dunta himself that is) play better.

Others speculated that Frank Bush was "really" behind that defense.

We're not even as good as that team.
 
Seriously, i think i finally understand Richard Smith. His read and react crap was used because frankly, we have ZERO talent minus 3 players on that field. If we were more aggressive, we probably would have been 6-10 last season because our personnel is awful. At least he didn't give up big play after big play.
 
Maybe we can just bring in a coach from high school and run a normal defense. You know, one where defenders actually man their gaps, cover wide receivers, tackle the ball carrier, etc.

Seriously though, why does it have to be such an extreme? The moment I heard we were switching to an aggressive defense I was worried. Everything about that just sounds like a terrible idea. Honestly when I was watching us play today it didn't even look like a real defense... and not just because they were bad... there were none of the things you see real defenses do. No established line, safeties running around everywhere, it was totally ridiculous.

The best way I can describe our defense is like that game where you have a maze with holes in it and a little metal ball that you have to guide to the end by tilting the thing. That's what our defense looks like... everyone just kind of falls in whichever direction the ball carrier is. No containment, no gap control, no avoiding blockers, no nothing.
 
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