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Dunta Robinson IS BACK

I don't see what all the outrage is about right now on either side.

The market for CB's is inflated right now. Dunta wants to take advantage of it and see what he's worth on the open market.

The Texans probably think it's a little too risky to give the guy Assante Samuel money right now considering his injury.

I don't think that either side is in the wrong here. They both are acting in their own best interests.

Fans are taking this way too personally.

My opinion: I think I'd rather give the guy his money than to take our chances with someone new. When he's on the field, everyone seems to play better. I don't think it's a coincidence.
 
bckey said:
I've got no problem with owners raking it in. Never have. They are owners. Players are employees. Bob McNair did a lot to get to where he is today. Most professional football players didn't do squat but play football. Most are given an college education just because of that playing ability. Not saying that there is anything wrong with it

I usually agree with you eriadoc but not on Dunta.
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They didn't do squat but play football? LOL. Playing football isn't all that easy. Especially as you move on up.
 
I'm just happy Dunta is coming back!!! This team is a better team with him on it. We may find a replacement for him next season or we may mend fences and pay him but to increase our chances for the playoffs we need him on the field. He's not the leader of the defense (DeMeco), he's not the stud of the defense (Mario), but he's the heart and soul of this entire team and he has been since he first got here and started laying the wood on opposing offensive players.
 
bckey said:
I've got no problem with owners raking it in. Never have. They are owners. Players are employees.
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Players are independent contractors. There's a big difference.

The employees in this situation are working in the front office.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
They didn't do squat but play football? LOL. Playing football isn't all that easy. Especially as you move on up.
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I understand playing football is very tough so they might be paid more but what they make as a whole is still crazy if you ask me I'm just saying. I thank them for putting their body at risk just to preform in front of fans that's not very easy.
 
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Mr. White said:
Players are independent contractors. There's a big difference.

The employees in this situation are working in the front office.
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Well, kinda. An independent contractor can work for anyone they choose. NFL players cannot. NFL players are drafted by a team and then essentially must play for that team. They are not allowed to shop around various teams and then work for the one that best fits with them.
 
gary said:
I knew we'd all agree on something.
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Gary, the day this BBS all agrees on something is the day the aliens land, fusion power plants are practical, and TV news is balanced and unbiased. LOL

In the meantime, the regular season is upon us and we have to go with what we have. I'm still pissed at Dunta, but rest assured I'll be cheering him on when he plays.
 
gary said:
I just want to touch on the fact that every one in sports is overpaid let's face it folks the truth is they are. Many years ago when players did not get paid nearly as much but they still played it was because they truely loved to play the game now very few players play just for the love of the game I'm sure they do but not as much as they used to in the 1930d's and 40d's in large part due to these big crazy contracts Dunte's included. Football I tend to understand making big bucks as players do put their entire body on the line every weekend but on the other hand players used to make a lot less and they were still out there for every single game doing what they do best. Cops and firefighters should be making all the bling while they save the lifes of others these stars in the lime light all foreget that or don't care whatsoever. What do they do? Throw and catch a ball in front of fans wow, there are people out there doing a hell of a lot more but getting paid a bag of chips but I guess if we would like to continue to watch games being played then the stars better just keep on getting paid as we all know these days it's all about the cash and every last bit of it. Please foregive me for going a bit off topic but this is how I see things right now.
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While admirable and true Gary, it is how it is because the simple fact remains that not many people are born with the God given 'fill in the blank', whether it's size, speed, vision, athleticism, competitiveness, or any other adjective we use to describe football players (and other professional athletes, but I'm just focusing on football). They have a monopoly on the profession because they offer the best product and they get paid deservingly so.

On the other hand, a majority of the population can become a fireman or police officer if they choose to as their profession. There are of course restrictions, such as past criminal history and other limitations, but for the most part, anyone who is driven enough can become a cop or fireman.

It would be nice for NFL players to maybe take 5% off their salary and donate it to fire and police departments.
 
pbat488 said:
While admirable and true Gary, it is how it is because the simple fact remains that not many people are born with the God given 'fill in the blank', whether it's size, speed, vision, athleticism, competitiveness, or any other adjective we use to describe football players (and other professional athletes, but I'm just focusing on football). They have a monopoly on the profession because they offer the best product and they get paid deservingly so.

On the other hand, a majority of the population can become a fireman or police officer if they choose to as their profession. There are of course restrictions, such as past criminal history and other limitations, but for the most part, anyone who is driven enough can become a cop or fireman.

It would be nice for NFL players to maybe take 5% off their salary and donate it to fire and police departments.
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You do have a point that is very well taken and so true I guess some folks do over look how hard it is to become a pro player and we tend to think they all make it when they don't. Great post have some rep.
 
Thorn said:
Gary, the day this BBS all agrees on something is the day the aliens land, fusion power plants are practical, and TV news is balanced and unbiased. LOL

In the meantime, the regular season is upon us and we have to go with what we have. I'm still pissed at Dunta, but rest assured I'll be cheering him on when he plays.
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LOL, you're right Thorn.
 
Didn't he give up that game winning TD against the Tenn Tampons year before last? Even before he got hurt he wasn't a top 10 CB. When Smith tagged him, he should have kissed him on the mouth and done cartwheels....
 
prostock101 said:
Didn't he give up that game winning TD against the Tenn Tampons year before last? Even before he got hurt he wasn't a top 10 CB. When Smith tagged him, he should have kissed him on the mouth and done cartwheels....
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Yeah I was at that game. The first 3 quarters was some of the worst football I have ever seen the Texans play. It was ugly. Then to come back like they did only to lose like they did. Worst game I've been to. And yes it was Dunta that got burned.
 
prostock101 said:
Didn't he give up that game winning TD against the Tenn Tampons year before last? Even before he got hurt he wasn't a top 10 CB. When Smith tagged him, he should have kissed him on the mouth and done cartwheels....
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There was really nothing else Dunta could have done on that play you are talking about.
 
bckey said:
Yeah I was at that game. The first 3 quarters was some of the worst football I have ever seen the Texans play. It was ugly. Then to come back like they did only to lose like they did. Worst game I've been to. And yes it was Dunta that got burned.
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I remember that play too. Always will. We HAD that game. ...until Robinson gave up that catch.
 
Thorn said:
Gary, the day this BBS all agrees on something is the day the aliens land, fusion power plants are practical, and TV news is balanced and unbiased. LOL
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But the aliens HAVE landed. The Voices told me so.
and Fusion power plants DO exist - they're called stars :)
I can't help you with that TV news thing. Humans are involved.
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The Pencil Neck said:
No one. They got an exemption from Goodell because of how late he reported. We've got 4 weeks to cut someone.
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So the Texans will have 54 players for four weeks?

Wow. That is great.

It looks like Dunta's holdout may have actually done something good for the Texans.
 
I still think Dunta gets the lions share of credit for the defense improving on the late season run. IMO I still think inserting Adibi into the lineup instead of Greenwood was the initial spark. It's not like the Dunta was lights out in returning. That still bugs me.

That said, nows the time to shut up and play DR. Starting or not I really just want to see us put the best players out on the field for our defense.
 
Roc Hoover said:
You haters will be severely drowned out when #23 comes out of the tunnel.

He's back and he's bent.

THAT is a good thing.
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I intend to give him my polite "opera" applause.... I will not stand, but I'll be happy to see him.
 
MojoMan said:
So the Texans will have 54 players for four weeks?

Wow. That is great.

It looks like Dunta's holdout may have actually done something good for the Texans.
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Also made our rookies and backup CBs get more experience and playing time than they would have if he was in camp.
 
ObsiWan said:
But the aliens HAVE landed. The Voices told me so.
and Fusion power plants DO exist - they're called stars :)
I can't help you with that TV news thing. Humans are involved.
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I'm so glad there are others on this board that are as warped as I am.
 
bckey said:
Yeah I was at that game. The first 3 quarters was some of the worst football I have ever seen the Texans play. It was ugly. Then to come back like they did only to lose like they did. Worst game I've been to. And yes it was Dunta that got burned.
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that was a great catch and Dunta was right there Sheet happens get over it
 
bckey said:
I've got no problem with owners raking it in. Never have. They are owners. Players are employees.
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See, the great thing about America is that anyone can go out and rake it in. This is the land of opportunity. I see no reason to pile on anyone trying to do that unless I'm willing to be consistent and pile on the others for doing the same thing.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
There was really nothing else Dunta could have done on that play you are talking about.
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Bottom line is he wasn't the same when he came back last year. I watched him avoid getting tangled up when he'd come up behind on a tackle situation on more than one occasion so I know he was a little tentative.

Before he got hurt, everyone used to ooh and ahh over him making one big hit a game and then he got beat on pass coverage like the rest of the secondary.

Is the worth 10 mil? No. He should leave practice everyday this season and go to Rick Smith's house, wash his car, cook his dinner, tuck in his kids, and stand watch outside all night for that kinda cheese.

However, if he somehow manages to skip camp and preseason and go have a pro bowl year, then.........meh, I'd be willing to change my mind.
 
MojoMan said:
So the Texans will have 54 players for four weeks?

Wow. That is great.

It looks like Dunta's holdout may have actually done something good for the Texans.
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According to HT.com, it's only two weeks; still, that's something
The Texans did not have to release a player to make room for Robinson because they were granted a two-week roster exemption by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell due to Robinson's late reporting date. They will be allowed to have 54 players on their active roster during that time period.
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And there's the fact that we got a better look at McCain and Quin than we would have had Robinson been here the whole time.

If he's really ready to play, I don't really see a huge downside - other than the fan drama aspect. And a lot of that is our own creation. In fact, there were some MB members told the rest of us that this is how it would all unfold at the beginning of this little "soap opera".

lawd, what would we do if we had to deal with T.O. or Ochocinco or Shawne Merriman on a regular basis?
 
ObsiWan said:
According to HT.com, it's only two weeks; still, that's something


And there's the fact that we got a better look at McCain and Quin than we would have had Robinson been here the whole time.

If he's really ready to play, I don't really see a huge downside - other than the fan drama aspect. And a lot of that is our own creation. In fact, there were some MB members told the rest of us that this is how it would all unfold at the beginning of this little "soap opera".

lawd, what would we do if we had to deal with T.O. or Ochocinco or Shawne Merriman on a regular basis?
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It also gives Reeves a chance to heal without losing a roster spot. I wonder if one of the corners or one of the WRs will get cut.
 
Its a good thing hes back, he will help the secondary tremendously. I'm still not a fan of how he handled the situation. BTW... someone needs to give him the Cushing treatment regarding his hair, hes starting to look like The Predator. :thisbig:
 
After a putting alot of thought into the whole hold out thing I think I will cheer for Robinson on Sunday. Although I think he could have been more of a team player...ala Meco and Daniels he does improve our defense. And really thats what it is about. We found out we have two very young promising CB's thanks to his absence but now it's time to win some games. If the players and coaches welcome him back with open arms I will too.:fans:
 
610 just ran an audio clip of Kubiak: (Paraphrase) "Dunta will not see any CONTACT before the Sunday game, and we'll see how he does (conditioning). If he does OK, we'll see about putting him out there."

Is this what we call "game ready?" Oh, I get it, he's a veteran.
 
Joe Texan said:
that was a great catch and Dunta was right there Sheet happens get over it
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BS Joe!!! Dunta got burned, pure and simple! Sure sheeeeettt happens, but, Dunta is not above reproach. He's messed up plenty of times! I agree that was the WORST game in Texan history! BUT, anytime we lose to the meatballs is a "worst" game for me.

On Sept 13th 53/54 TEXANS will run out on that field, and everyone of them will have my diehard support! :texan:
 
My complete take here:

Welcoming Dunta and a happy anniversary

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I for one, welcome him back, not that he cares. There are players that are easy to root for, and ones that are more difficult. He went from the easy to root for category (big hitting leader working hard to come back from injury) to a guy who is hard to root for (guy getting paid big bucks, skips offseason prep and will have a hard time playing to his money, offseason disgruntlement based on wanting the right to go to a different team). If he cared at all what the fans think, he would have done his offseason work like every other franchised player this year did.

I think Robinson sums up the situation perfectly:

"I don't know what to expect from the fans, They've always been great to me. I'll have to earn their trust on the field with my play. But I want everybody to know I'm so excited to be back that I'm going to feel like a rookie stepping on the field for the first time."

Yup. I'm not inclined to boo anyone in a Texans uniform, even when they are playing dreadfully. I figure that doesn't help the team at all, so there's no point in it. Some people take the view that they pay to see winning football, and that they are entitled to boo if they see garbage.

I just have a hard time seeing how Dunta Robinson's play on the field will be so excellent to justify both his salary and his offseason diva act.
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He can talk all he wants about team and about wanting to be in Houston, but his offseason behavior was all about getting the right to haul ass.

I'm rooting for him because him playing well is in my fan interest but I'm not sure that this ends well for him. What DR said was right--he's going to have to earn our trust back, and that's not going to be easy.
 
Texans_Chick said:
He can talk all he wants about team and about wanting to be in Houston, but his offseason behavior was all about getting the right to haul ass.
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I think it's more accurate to suggest that Dunta's actions were more about getting paid. Which as a professional athlete, should be foremost on his mind. This is likely Dunta's last opportunity to get a big $$$ guaranteed contract. Why wouldn't he do everything he can to serve his interests?

What about the Texans organization's accountability regarding Robinson's training camp absence? Do we really know what contract was offered to Dunta? Really? Was there no compromise available, or even offered to Dunta, that would entice Robinson to sign his franchise offer sheet? It's not as if Smith & Kubiak couldn't foresee the distinct possibility that Dunta would skip camp and the exhibition season if tagged. Why don't these guys gets half the blame for this standoff?

I'm not blaming either side. Both were serving their perceived interests. Robinson could have gained important knowledge of the new Texans defensive schemes (if such exist) had he participated in the camps. Or, he could have broken his leg, as did his teammate Jacques Reeves. Who can say? All I know is that Robinson is on the team, now. And in my estimation, the team is better for it.

Allow me to address the pretzel logic that exists among some of the Dunta-haters. You don't think Robinson is worth the contract he was offered by the Texans (even though you don't know the details). You don't think Robinson is worth the franchise tag or the $$$ that goes with it. Yet, you criticize Dunta for not eagerly accepting the Texans contract offered or immediately signing the franchise tag? It seems to me that you would be upset at the Texans for offering the contract to Dunta and wasting the cap space by employing the $10 million franchise tag. Couldn't that cap space had been better served on a better CB? If you really believe that Robinson is a sub-par defender, your animosity is misplaced.

Finally, let me talk about trust. In his previous 5 seasons as a Texan, Dunta Robinson's effort and performance on the field had earned my trust. Over and over again. In contrast, the Texans' current organization has yet to earn my trust that they can build a winning team. They may not be as inept as their predecessors. But, they haven't accomplished their goal...yet. In my opinion, Dunta Robinson is a better NFL player than Gary Kubiak is a NFL head coach or Rick Smith is a NFL general manager. If I had to choose whom to keep, or whom to trust, I choose Dunta.
 
Texans_Chick said:
My complete take here:

Welcoming Dunta and a happy anniversary

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He can talk all he wants about team and about wanting to be in Houston, but his offseason behavior was all about getting the right to haul ass.

I'm rooting for him because him playing well is in my fan interest but I'm not sure that this ends well for him. What DR said was right--he's going to have to earn our trust back, and that's not going to be easy.
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Pretty much sums it up for me.

And I think OD and 'Meco were initially headed down that same path as Dunta, but they pulled back and figured out that they better get into camp and handle their business as players should.

So in the end, guys like OD and 'Meco were out there with the team--practicing and playing in scrimmages and games--and look what it's done for them: They both looked good, and they showed that they still want to be here.

Dunta didn't want to be here until it started costing him money.

I just can't rationalize it like some are doing around here. He could have joined the team at the start of camp, and made the stipulation that he wants to wear a red jersey and maybe even be held out of preseason games.

There's things that he could have done to show that he wants to be here.

IMO, he did none of them. His team colors are shades of green ($$$$).
 
GP said:
He could have joined the team at the start of camp, and made the stipulation that he wants to wear a red jersey and maybe even be held out of preseason games.
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Are you serious?
 
GP said:
And I think OD and 'Meco were initially headed down that same path as Dunta, but they pulled back and figured out that they better get into camp and handle their business as players should.

So in the end, guys like OD and 'Meco were out there with the team--practicing and playing in scrimmages and games
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You continue to ignore one very key point - OD and Ryans were under contract. Dunta was not. Without a contract, Dunta was free to sit at home and eat bon bons if he wanted. He was not employed. OD and Ryans were under contract, being paid to attend camp. Dunta Robinson was not.
 
beerlover said:
Dunta is fresh. Hungry. Ego bruised. 100%. pre-injury he was a top 5 CB, how quickly people forget. he is a leader. has natural playmaking skills that should help T/O ratio: also let the rookies show what they got. love McCain & think he should be #2a. Quinn looks more like a nickle/FS. someone confirm that Busing reminds you a little of Lynch in his younger days~

This gives David something to work with as a core group moving forward. like the offensive line improvement last year it takes reps & continuity. Throw Reeves into the mix & I'll wager Bennett has a tough time holding down the starting RCB duties.

It's gonna be OK trust me. Bye-week a 6-3 Texans team will be poised for their first post season run. that's what Dunta means to Texans :logo:
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Even before his injury he was not a top 5 CB, top 10 maybe, but he never has followed up with anything close to his rookie year. Yah he's a strong tackler, but so what if he's making all the tackles as a CB we got some serious issues that he's not going to fix.

Deon Sanders couldn't tackle his way out of a wet paper bag, but probably still one of the best game changing CB's in the game ever.
 
SheTexan said:
BS Joe!!! Dunta got burned, pure and simple!
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I don't think it's BS or that simple. Here is the replay (around the 4:30 mark), where you can see that Richard Smith went with another ill concieved, poorly timed blitz that had no chance of getting to the QB. It was a brilliant throw by Collins to Williams, and Dunta had tight man coverage. Had there been a safety over the top, rather than a LB stuck at the line of scrimmage, the pass possibly could have been broken up. Or maybe Collins never attempts to go there. We will never know, but to place the entire blame on Robinson seems to be very debatable.

Not suggesting that Robinson has never had a bad play or a bad game (2005 Rams game comes to mind). Just that his good plays and good games far outweigh the bad.
 
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