Dunta Robinson IS BACK

[Marcus]

I don't blame or hold ill will against Dunta at all. I understand all (at least as much as a fan can) of the reasons why he didn't report to camp or sign the contract or this and that, and I still can't wait for him to be back. He is going to be an upgrade on our defense and make us better. If you don't like Dunta, that is one thing, but if you don't like or appreciate how he makes our defense more complete, that is something completely different..

Well, there you go, it's something completely different. Dunta has hurt the team's chances of winning the early games because of missing camp. He didn't get any reps in with the new system, and I can't believe any of you actually think that he isn't going to be rusty on the field. I don't think he'll start against the Jets or the first few games just for those reasons. He would be starting if he had reported to camp.

If he does start, and covers his receivers like a blanket, then I'll be the first one to say, "Well, I was all wrong. There's no need for training camp or preseason games." But if he gets lit up against the Jets (and you can take it to the bank the Jets will try to exploit this) because he had his head up his ass and didn't know where he was supposed to be on the field, he's going to find out how ugly the crowd can get. Then we can discuss whether he's really BACK or not.

I really do hope I'm wrong about all this. But I think Dunta staying out of camp is going to cost some early games. It could actually be a difference maker as to whether we go to the playoffs or not.

This ain't over. Not by a long shot.

 

[DocBar]

Well, there you go, it's something completely different. Dunta has hurt the team's chances of winning the early games because of missing camp. He didn't get any reps in with the new system, and I can't believe any of you actually think that he isn't going to be rusty on the field. I don't think he'll start against the Jets or the first few games just for those reasons. He would be starting if he had reported to camp.

If he does start, and covers his receivers like a blanket, then I'll be the first one to say, "Well, I was all wrong. There's no need for training camp or preseason games." But if he gets lit up against the Jets (and you can take it to the bank the Jets will try to exploit this) because he had his head up his ass and didn't know where he was supposed to be on the field, he's going to find out how ugly the crowd can get. Then we can discuss whether he's really BACK or not.

I really do hope I'm wrong about all this. But I think Dunta staying out of camp is going to cost some early games. It could actually be a difference maker as to whether we go to the playoffs or not.

This ain't over. Not by a long shot.

I seriously doubt DROB os going to go all Rosencopter and singlehandedly cost us a couple of games. Our 1st five games are against teams with good rushing O's or good RB's. The 1st good passing team will be the Cards on Oct. 11, so DROB SHOULD be able to get up to speed by then.

 

[BorrowMe]

I seriously doubt DROB os going to go all Rosencopter and singlehandedly cost us a couple of games. Our 1st five games are against teams with good rushing O's or good RB's. The 1st good passing team will be the Cards on Oct. 11, so DROB SHOULD be able to get up to speed by then.

Very true

 

[Specnatz]

I seriously doubt DROB os going to go all Rosencopter and singlehandedly cost us a couple of games. Our 1st five games are against teams with good rushing O's or good RB's. The 1st good passing team will be the Cards on Oct. 11, so DROB SHOULD be able to get up to speed by then.

He is not the QB he does not have the ball in his hand every game so you will never know now will you?

 

[beerlover]

There is enough blame to go around both sides. The bottom line is with Dunta the Texans defense has a chance to be really good as they can commit 8 men in the box, assert newfound aggressiveness turning Mario, DeMeco, Cushing & Barwin loose. I'm a big picture kinda guy & the big picture is the Texans are better with Dunta than without

so in essence Barrett is dead on, well that is if you really do love the Texans

 

[Marcus]

I seriously doubt DROB os going to go all Rosencopter and singlehandedly cost us a couple of games. Our 1st five games are against teams with good rushing O's or good RB's. The 1st good passing team will be the Cards on Oct. 11, so DROB SHOULD be able to get up to speed by then.

I hope you're right, Doc. After all, this is all about now, not next year, right?

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Don't know if this is posted .

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2009/09/dunta_robinson_qa_on_physical.html

 

[SteveSlaton20]

 

[blitz90]

Hell yeah! I welcome back Danta with open arms. Our D is gonna be so jacked come opening day at Reliant.

 

[Joe Texan]

There's not a game that I have played that my body wasn't very sore afterward. That's football. But if my body is going to be sore, I want to make sure somebody else is sore too."

Thats the Dunta I know and love

 

[DocBar]

I hope you're right, Doc. After all, this is all about now, not next year, right?

It's ALWAYS about "what have you done for me lately" in the NFL, so of course it's about this year. I'm as tired of all the excuses as anyone. All I want to do is win. If DROB helps us do that, then great, pay the man. If not, let some other team pay the outlandish salary demands. We still have the option to tag him for the '10 season, so his "holdout" only cost us traing camp and video.. I doubt it will cosst us more games than his backups.

He is not the QB he does not have the ball in his hand every game so you will never know now will you?

That is one of the reasons Sage was traded and DROB was franchised. Pretty easy crystalball gazing on that one.

 

[Speedy]

I keep seeing how Dunta is going to cost us early because he's not going to be up to speed or whatever lame excuse is being used here.....have we forgotten about the CB core we have here? A 70% up to speed Dunta is still probably better than anything out there right now.

I don't think 23 missing the entire camp is going to be that big a deal and if anything, WILL help the team now that he's back. I haven't commented on too many of these Dunta threads, but the few I have I've mentioned that whatever you think of Dunta's play, what kind of corner or how good of a corner he is, none of that changes the fact that the Texans defense has played significantly better with him ON the field. I don't think there's any disputing that.

I don't put my emotions into all the contract stuff because as much as we think we know what's going on with all that stuff, we don't. All we can do is speculate. Plus I'm not going to tell someone that he can't make or shouldn't ask for as much as he can get. As far as I'm concerned, everyone in professional sports is overpaid. And I know we think a couple of million here or there shouldn't be that big a deal when it's that much money involved, but since I'm guessing very few of us here have ever been in that kind of position, I don't see where any of us has room to talk.

Sure, all of that off-field stuff is important as it figures into things that helps make up the team, but once you put the pads on and step between the lines, all I care about is football and winning. If Dunta helps the team win, that's all I care about. I don't care about who's making what, or who's upfront or not about negotiations or who appears to be greedy or any of that stuff. All I care about is winning football games.

And again, considering our secondary.......

 

[mr. peebs]

Well, there you go, it's something completely different. Dunta has hurt the team's chances of winning the early games because of missing camp. He didn't get any reps in with the new system, and I can't believe any of you actually think that he isn't going to be rusty on the field. I don't think he'll start against the Jets or the first few games just for those reasons. He would be starting if he had reported to camp.

If he does start, and covers his receivers like a blanket, then I'll be the first one to say, "Well, I was all wrong. There's no need for training camp or preseason games." But if he gets lit up against the Jets (and you can take it to the bank the Jets will try to exploit this) because he had his head up his ass and didn't know where he was supposed to be on the field, he's going to find out how ugly the crowd can get. Then we can discuss whether he's really BACK or not.

I really do hope I'm wrong about all this. But I think Dunta staying out of camp is going to cost some early games. It could actually be a difference maker as to whether we go to the playoffs or not.

This ain't over. Not by a long shot.

After watching tape of the Texans in the preseason, do you really expect them to go out there and attack our secondary with a pass-heavy offense? Especially with a rookie QB? No, it's likely not going to happen. They're going to try to set the tone of the game and control the clock which means that they are going to try to (and most likely succeed judging by our porous run D in the preseason) ram the ball down our throat.

Also, what receivers in the first 4 weeks worry you? Cotchery is the only one that worries me, and with a safety over the top on either CB he is lined up against, he shouldn't be too difficult since I don't expect Sanchez to be given enough time to drop back and let the WRs get down-field either by design or our pressure. Again, rookie QB, first real NFL game, first game for a head coach, I'm not expecting them to take a lot of risks.

Dunta has said multiple times this off-season he is staying in shape and is ready for the season. I don't worry about him being rusty so much as him not being familiar with or comfortable in the new scheme. Hopefully a player of his caliber and intelligence can acclimate to the changes within a couple days and we will be right as rain come opening day.

Now I'm going to go on the record and say that he could possibly be a hindrance to our D, especially this first game or two possibly. However, my first post was more directed at everyone who unabashedly hates Dunta just because he has held out this off-season. I understand his situation and I don't hold it against him, it's part of the business. I don't understand why so many on this board hate him so much. He is going to come in and instantly upgrade our defense, and he is a proven leader on this team. Seriously, who would you rather have in opening day, Brice McCain or Dunta Robinson?

Now its a Saturday night and I know I should be celebrating A&M winning our opener this year (thank God) but I had a long day tail-gating and am exhausted, not too mention pretty damn drunk. So hopefully I didn't loose track and ramble too much, but sometimes I read things on here and can't help but respond to it.

Oh, and I just agree with that DocBar said...

I seriously doubt DROB os going to go all Rosencopter and singlehandedly cost us a couple of games. Our 1st five games are against teams with good rushing O's or good RB's. The 1st good passing team will be the Cards on Oct. 11, so DROB SHOULD be able to get up to speed by then.

 

[thunderkyss]

There is enough blame to go around both sides. The bottom line is with Dunta the Texans defense has a chance to be really good as they can commit 8 men in the box, assert newfound aggressiveness turning Mario, DeMeco, Cushing & Barwin loose. I'm a big picture kinda guy & the big picture is the Texans are better with Dunta than without

so in essence Barrett is dead on, well that is if you really do love the Texans

I've got no mis-conceptions about what Dunta brings to this team. Allowing us to put 8 men in the box, is not one of them. If Mario & Antonio Smith do their job, and force the runner back inside, we have no use for Dunta's strength, which is run support on the wings.

If Dunta starts using the talent that he clearly has & starts preventing the other teams receivers from catching the ball, I'll gladly eat crow, and sing the Dunta Robinson praise.

I've got no ill-will against the man, just haven't seen much of any cornerbacking from him in a long while.

& though I've never been a "big" fan, I would be sorely disappointed if 70,000 boo him Sept 13. I'd be sick to my stomach if they give him another standing O....

 

[beerlover]

Dunta is fresh. Hungry. Ego bruised. 100%. pre-injury he was a top 5 CB, how quickly people forget. he is a leader. has natural playmaking skills that should help T/O ratio: also let the rookies show what they got. love McCain & think he should be #2a. Quinn looks more like a nickle/FS. someone confirm that Busing reminds you a little of Lynch in his younger days~

This gives David something to work with as a core group moving forward. like the offensive line improvement last year it takes reps & continuity. Throw Reeves into the mix & I'll wager Bennett has a tough time holding down the starting RCB duties.

It's gonna be OK trust me. Bye-week a 6-3 Texans team will be poised for their first post season run. that's what Dunta means to Texans

 

[beerlover]

I would be sorely disappointed if 70,000 boo him Sept 13. I'd be sick to my stomach if they give him another standing O....

one things for sure we don't have long to wait. next Sunday. Jets.

 

[thunderkyss]

pre-injury he was a top 5 CB, how quickly people forget.

I haven't forgot what Dunta was pre-injury. I just never believed he was a top 5 corner. I've always thought he was an undersized safety playing out of position.

But never mind that.

I think Molden is better than Bennett & McCain, for now anyway.

 

[Lucky]

I guess Demeco spoiled me with his attitude on his contract issue (along with OD)

Not even close to the same. DeMeco is underpaid. You know it. DeMeco knows it. Kubiak and Smith know it. So does Bob McNair. Everyone knows he should get a raise. It's just how big a raise that's the issue. Of course, DeMeco is still in the last year of his contract. We'll see how he reacts if/when he is tagged in the future.

Dunta was in the last year of his contract in 2008. He didn't threaten to hold out of mini camp or training camp. All he did was tirelessly rehab so that he could get back on the field and help his team win. Really, it was in Robinson's best interest to sit out the remainder of the '08 season and heal completely. He wasn't the same player as before the injury. But, Dunta improved as the season moved along, as did the Texan defense. Not a coincidence, IMO.

So comes the 2009 offseason, and the Texans and Robinson cannot strike a deal. That happens. The Texans, believing Dunta is better than any CB they could acquire, decide to place the franchise tag on Robinson. That also happens. Dunta is upset over getting the tag, like so many others who have been tagged in the past. That happens, as well.

Whether Dunta likes it or not, the Texans played by the rules. They have the right to use the franchise tag on anyone of their free agents in a given year, and they exercised that right. Because it was in their best interest to do so. Robinson was not under any obligation to sign the franchise offer. In fact, he could have waited until just prior to week 10 to sign that offer sheet. That's the rule. That he waited until just prior to week one was in his best interest, in his opinion.

There are some posters here that think it's A-OK for the Texans to use the rules in their advantage. And I'm one of those. But, some of these same posters feel that Robinson is unjust and disloyal to use the same exact rules to his perceived advantage. And that inconsistency is completely nonsensical to me. As is the vitriol the most ardent Dunta-haters spew.

If you don't think Dunta is a good CB and worthy of a big $ contract or a franchise tag, that's fine. Go blame Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak for wasting that cap space and not finding a better CB. Not me. I'm glad they kept Dunta in the fold. I have as much respect for Dunta Robinson as any other player who has ever wore a Texan jersey. I believe he is one of the greatest players in this franchise's short history and as a fan, I'm grateful of the effort and tenacity Robinson has displayed for this team.

This team just got better. Go Texans.

 

[Texans Pride]

Who gives a damn. . . Let's get some work done, and win some freakin' games! I'm tired of being the nice guy franchise.

Let's kick some ass, whatever is Fu**ing takes, damn it.

 

[Maddict5]

No ill will? I tried to hold the franchise hostage and they called my bluff and so I screwed the team all preseason hoping they would cave. Hope no one thinks I am a money grubbing piece of **** like I truly am.

Pfft what ever.

And will take 4 or 5 weeks to get up to game speed and into game shape, all the while playing and getting burnt and stinking up the locker room with this bad attitude.......

Not excited at all.

Sign and trade is still a possibility through October 20. If he doesn't embarrass himself, it could be the best scenario

Dunta thought he could walk this year and Rick Smith shot that down. He wants to walk next year and that is why he doesn't want to be franchised a second time. I would have pulled the franchise tag offer off the table as soon as he walked in the office today. See ya. Go play else where. Its just business Dunta. We have 53 players already.

WoW i think we need to calm down a bit. i was a bit mad at dunta myself earlier in the offseason when it looked like he wanted to leave but ive come to realise it was all business. he thought he could get paid elsewhere if not here. im not going to crucify him for that or holding out because its what everybody does in that situation. and dunta has gone back up some in my esteem by following through on his word that he'll return when we need him. imo, dunta will start on opening day & play well because ive no doubt hes in great shape

You guys are hilarious.

As soon as he makes a play you're gonna love him. I can assure you, you are Texans fans, more than Dunta hatemongers.

I'm sure you'll relish in his failure if he fails. Wouldn't you rather be wrong and have him succeed at the benefit of the Texans? I'm sure you would.

and il be cheering 23 when he comes out of the tunnel in 7 days

 

[GuerillaBlack]

Lucky wins the thread. Couldn't have said it better.

 

[imatexan]

Lucky wins the thread. Couldn't have said it better.

Agreed.

I just don't undertand why people can blame it all on D-Rob when it was clearly both sides making business decisions.

I am VERY excited that Dunta is back and has that same great attitude as always saying that he is ready to play and that no ill will is on either side.

Just as last year when he came back, the team will have that extra fire and I will be cheering as loud as ever for him, he is still one of my favorite players.

 

[Malloy]

Return an INT for a TD against the Jets for a W and I'm all on the bandwagon again

 

[ObsiWan]

Yeah, it's weird. It's almost as if the players and front office have a better grasp of the day to day operations of the business of professional football. It's like they're not knee jerk fans who think that Dunta Robinson hates the fans and hates the team that they root for. It's like they're thinking of it as if it's all part of the game.

Very strange.

Silly football players. When will they ever get it?

LOL +1 for you.

I have yet to read any quote from a player that even HINTS at any anomosity toward D.R. Something tells me that a very select few of the players KNEW what his little game was all along because he told them. Somewhere along the way DeMeco and maybe his homeboy Fred B. called him up and talked to him. They knew.

 

[ObsiWan]

Dunta thought he could walk this year and Rick Smith shot that down. He wants to walk next year and that is why he doesn't want to be franchised a second time. I would have pulled the franchise tag offer off the table as soon as he walked in the office today. See ya. Go play else where. Its just business Dunta. We have 53 players already.

And if I was Bob McNair I would have fired you as soon as I found out. Because that move says you got emotionally involved in your negotiations. As GM that compromises your decision making ability. As the owner I want a GM that makes business-based decisions that improve the team, not emotional-based decisions that hurt the team. We have a top ten CB that you let walk without getting ANY compensation for him?? And why? Because he didn't dance to your tune. Yeah, if you pull somethng self-centered like that and I'm McNair, you follow Dunta right out onto the streets.

 

[ObsiWan]

Lucky wins the thread. Couldn't have said it better.

Amen to that!!

 

[Specnatz]

Agreed.

I just don't undertand why people can blame it all on D-Rob when it was clearly both sides making business decisions.

I am VERY excited that Dunta is back and has that same great attitude as always saying that he is ready to play and that no ill will is on either side.

Just as last year when he came back, the team will have that extra fire and I will be cheering as loud as ever for him, he is still one of my favorite players.

I was not referring to the business side of things. Dunta made it personal with his PR bullshit in the local paper. That is the part that got me irked at Dunta, he tried to play the fans against management. If it was just business then why do that if it was not personal? What happened to the lied to me angle and other things that made it personal not business? Seems that is all gone now according to Dunta. He wants it both ways by his words, it was personal and now it is only business.

By not being in camp Dunta has not helped the team and that is what irks me period.

 

[Hardcore Texan]

Who gives a damn. . . Let's get some work done, and win some freakin' games! I'm tired of being the nice guy franchise.

Let's kick some ass, whatever is Fu**ing takes, damn it.

+1, time to get to work and get put this crap in the rear view, we got a game on Sunday.

 

[dalemurphy]

Not even close to the same. DeMeco is underpaid. You know it. DeMeco knows it. Kubiak and Smith know it. So does Bob McNair. Everyone knows he should get a raise. It's just how big a raise that's the issue. Of course, DeMeco is still in the last year of his contract. We'll see how he reacts if/when he is tagged in the future.

Dunta was in the last year of his contract in 2008. He didn't threaten to hold out of mini camp or training camp. All he did was tirelessly rehab so that he could get back on the field and help his team win. Really, it was in Robinson's best interest to sit out the remainder of the '08 season and heal completely. He wasn't the same player as before the injury. But, Dunta improved as the season moved along, as did the Texan defense. Not a coincidence, IMO.

So comes the 2009 offseason, and the Texans and Robinson cannot strike a deal. That happens. The Texans, believing Dunta is better than any CB they could acquire, decide to place the franchise tag on Robinson. That also happens. Dunta is upset over getting the tag, like so many others who have been tagged in the past. That happens, as well.

Whether Dunta likes it or not, the Texans played by the rules. They have the right to use the franchise tag on anyone of their free agents in a given year, and they exercised that right. Because it was in their best interest to do so. Robinson was not under any obligation to sign the franchise offer. In fact, he could have waited until just prior to week 10 to sign that offer sheet. That's the rule. That he waited until just prior to week one was in his best interest, in his opinion.

There are some posters here that think it's A-OK for the Texans to use the rules in their advantage. And I'm one of those. But, some of these same posters feel that Robinson is unjust and disloyal to use the same exact rules to his perceived advantage. And that inconsistency is completely nonsensical to me. As is the vitriol the most ardent Dunta-haters spew.

If you don't think Dunta is a good CB and worthy of a big $ contract or a franchise tag, that's fine. Go blame Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak for wasting that cap space and not finding a better CB. Not me. I'm glad they kept Dunta in the fold. I have as much respect for Dunta Robinson as any other player who has ever wore a Texan jersey. I believe he is one of the greatest players in this franchise's short history and as a fan, I'm grateful of the effort and tenacity Robinson has displayed for this team.

This team just got better. Go Texans.

Lucky, excellent post and I certainly agree with the general sentiment. However, the salary cap does create a bit of a nuance. In the salary cap system, Dunta isn't really negotiating to get more of Bob McNair's money. Essentially, that money is already allocated out to the Texans. Instead, he's negotiating for a larger percentage of the Texan players' income. The more he gets, the less is available for other players. From a fan's perspective, that means Dunta's financial success could be a detriment to the success of the team. So, in this regard, it's not an employee versus an employer, but it can be seen as player versus the team... Fans are going to side with the team.

 

[Thorn]

Dunta is not a top 5 CB, but he'll get paid like he is. He is however, by a long shot the best CB we got and the defense will be better with him in it.

I don't like the fact Dunta held out, I still think he's acting like an ass, and he can still kiss MY ass, but we'll be a better team when he's on the field.

 

[thunderkyss]

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[CloakNNNdagger]

WoW i think we need to calm down a bit. i was a bit mad at dunta myself earlier in the offseason when it looked like he wanted to leave but ive come to realise it was all business. he thought he could get paid elsewhere if not here. im not going to crucify him for that or holding out because its what everybody does in that situation. and dunta has gone back up some in my esteem by following through on his word that he'll return when we need him. imo, dunta will start on opening day & play well because ive no doubt hes in great shape

In my post:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger
Sign and trade is still a possibility through October 20. If he doesn't embarrass himself, it could be the best scenario

It was a response based not on "hate" for his "business stance" over the past few months, but an honest concern over his potential performance level, especially for a $10 million price tag...........which still leaves him unhappy.

 

[thunderkyss]

Dunta was in the last year of his contract in 2008. He didn't threaten to hold out of mini camp or training camp. All he did was tirelessly rehab so that he could get back on the field and help his team win. Really, it was in Robinson's best interest to sit out the remainder of the '08 season and heal completely. He wasn't the same player as before the injury.

True.... good point

But, Dunta improved as the season moved along, as did the Texan defense. Not a coincidence, IMO.

this is old news..... we should have done this a long time ago. But can you provide stats for this? Because I'm just not seeing it. Rushing yards per game? Points? Total D? what?

Maybe you can provide me with a link that explains it all...

So comes the 2009 offseason, and the Texans and Robinson cannot strike a deal. That happens. The Texans, believing Dunta is better than any CB they could acquire, decide to place the franchise tag on Robinson. That also happens. Dunta is upset over getting the tag, like so many others who have been tagged in the past. That happens, as well.

But.... if the $23 million is the real number, Dunta is being an ass about the whole situation. $23 million is more than reasonable for Dunta's services. $23 million guaranteed.

 

[gary]

I keep seeing how Dunta is going to cost us early because he's not going to be up to speed or whatever lame excuse is being used here.....have we forgotten about the CB core we have here? A 70% up to speed Dunta is still probably better than anything out there right now.

I don't think 23 missing the entire camp is going to be that big a deal and if anything, WILL help the team now that he's back. I haven't commented on too many of these Dunta threads, but the few I have I've mentioned that whatever you think of Dunta's play, what kind of corner or how good of a corner he is, none of that changes the fact that the Texans defense has played significantly better with him ON the field. I don't think there's any disputing that.

I don't put my emotions into all the contract stuff because as much as we think we know what's going on with all that stuff, we don't. All we can do is speculate. Plus I'm not going to tell someone that he can't make or shouldn't ask for as much as he can get. As far as I'm concerned, everyone in professional sports is overpaid. And I know we think a couple of million here or there shouldn't be that big a deal when it's that much money involved, but since I'm guessing very few of us here have ever been in that kind of position, I don't see where any of us has room to talk.

Sure, all of that off-field stuff is important as it figures into things that helps make up the team, but once you put the pads on and step between the lines, all I care about is football and winning. If Dunta helps the team win, that's all I care about. I don't care about who's making what, or who's upfront or not about negotiations or who appears to be greedy or any of that stuff. All I care about is winning football games.

And again, considering our secondary.......

I just want to touch on the fact that every one in sports is overpaid let's face it folks the truth is they are. Many years ago when players did not get paid nearly as much but they still played it was because they truely loved to play the game now very few players play just for the love of the game I'm sure they do but not as much as they used to in the 1930d's and 40d's in large part due to these big crazy contracts Dunte's included. Football I tend to understand making big bucks as players do put their entire body on the line every weekend but on the other hand players used to make a lot less and they were still out there for every single game doing what they do best. Cops and firefighters should be making all the bling while they save the lifes of others these stars in the lime light all foreget that or don't care whatsoever. What do they do? Throw and catch a ball in front of fans wow, there are people out there doing a hell of a lot more but getting paid a bag of chips but I guess if we would like to continue to watch games being played then the stars better just keep on getting paid as we all know these days it's all about the cash and every last bit of it. Please foregive me for going a bit off topic but this is how I see things right now.

 

[bckey]

But.... if the $23 million is the real number, Dunta is being an ass about the whole situation. $23 million is more than reasonable for Dunta's services. $23 million guaranteed.

The chronicle is reporting the $23 million figure in McClain's most recent article about Dunta returning.

Robinson was hoping to sign a long-term contract in February, but he couldn’t reach an agreement. He turned down $23 million guaranteed and blasted general manager Rick Smith for making him the franchise player.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6604719.html


Dunta doesn't want to be in Houston. He thought he was going to get to walk off into the sunset of another NFL city. He got really pissed when Smith franchised him. Then he wanted Smith to promise not to franchise him next year so he could leave at the end of the season. Please stop with the its just business excuse. He was treated more than fairly but chose to be an a$$ about the whole thing. It was about more than just money for Dunta. It was about trying to leaving town and getting shot down by Smith.

 

[ubecool454]

The chronicle is reporting the $23 million figure in McClain's most recent article about Dunta returning.

Robinson was hoping to sign a long-term contract in February, but he couldn’t reach an agreement. He turned down $23 million guaranteed and blasted general manager Rick Smith for making him the franchise player.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6604719.html


Dunta doesn't want to be in Houston. He thought he was going to get to walk off into the sunset of another NFL city. He got really pissed when Smith franchised him. Then he wanted Smith to promise not to franchise him next year so he could leave at the end of the season. Please stop with the its just business excuse. He was treated more than fairly but chose to be an a$$ about the whole thing. It was about more than just money for Dunta. It was about trying to leaving town and getting shot down by Smith.

I never heard Dunta say he doesn't want to be in Houston and you didn't either!

 

[Wolf]

23 million guaranteed and wanted to shop around esp after he ways saying how much he loved Houston and loved the Texans ...

speaking out of both sides of the mouth is what irritated me

and then get a more than generous offer esp after the horrible injury

 

[bckey]

I never heard Dunta say he doesn't want to be in Houston and you didn't either!

Of course you didn't. Actions speak louder than words.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Yay, I was right..........for once. I would like to take this time to pat myself on the back.

I was never worried about the Dunta situation, still not. I know he's going to show up eventually. Crabtree's a rookie that has never played before and has likely ruined his first year in the League or at least half of it. That's if he even signs.

Yeah, I hope he shows up over the weekend. He'd be an absolute dufus not to show by the deadline.

While your point is true, look at what we've got now. A weeks worth of practice would likely make him a better option than what we're running out there now. A nickel at least until he's up with the scheme. Would we want a 4th or 6th round rookie starting on opening day? Or Dunta Robinson with a weeks worth of work? I choose Dunta

Granted, he's been working out as much as everybody says he is

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1240004&highlight=Dunta#post1240004

 

[thunderkyss]

The chronicle is reporting the $23 million figure in McClain's most recent article about Dunta returning.

Just because McClain says it was $23 million doesn't make it so. If they truly offered Dunta that much money, and he turned it down....... after his injury.. just doesn't make sense. That's the money he would have been offered, if he was healthy.

 

[infantrycak]

Of course you didn't. Actions speak louder than words.

And maybe his actions say he wanted $25 mil guaranteed or a 5 year deal instead of a 7 year deal or some other structural disagreement.

Just because McClain says it was $23 million doesn't make it so. If they truly offered Dunta that much money, and he turned it down....... after his injury.. just doesn't make sense. That's the money he would have been offered, if he was healthy.

Given that neither Dunta nor his agent has refuted McClain's oft repeated assertion on the $23 mil I side with believing it. That still leaves a whole lot of room for disagreement. For instance, maybe the Texans were merely offering to guarantee the first 3 or 4 years of salary with a minimal 2 or 3 mil signing bonus while Dunta wanted $12 mil up front as a signing bonus and less of the guaranteed money down the road.

 

[Drew_Smoke]

You haters will be severely drowned out when #23 comes out of the tunnel.

He's back and he's bent.

THAT is a good thing.

 

[Maddict5]

In my post:



It was a response based not on "hate" for his "business stance" over the past few months, but an honest concern over his potential performance level, especially for a $10 million price tag...........which still leaves him unhappy.

i know it wasnt hate but people were throwing out crazy scenarios all over the place and im sorry but trading him before october is one of them.

 

[DexmanC]

I just want to touch on the fact that every one in sports is overpaid let's face it folks the truth is they are. Many years ago when players did not get paid nearly as much but they still played it was because they truely loved to play the game now very few players play just for the love of the game I'm sure they do but not as much as they used to in the 1930d's and 40d's in large part due to these big crazy contracts Dunte's included. Football I tend to understand making big bucks as players do put their entire body on the line every weekend but on the other hand players used to make a lot less and they were still out there for every single game doing what they do best. Cops and firefighters should be making all the bling while they save the lifes of others these stars in the lime light all foreget that or don't care whatsoever. What do they do? Throw and catch a ball in front of fans wow, there are people out there doing a hell of a lot more but getting paid a bag of chips but I guess if we would like to continue to watch games being played then the stars better just keep on getting paid as we all know these days it's all about the cash and every last bit of it. Please foregive me for going a bit off topic but this is how I see things right now.

Truth is, players salaries are commensurate with the revenue that sport
brings. Soccer players, in the U.S. for example, don't make millions. Their
sport doesn't generate the BILLIONS required for such a salary. Same could
be said for WNBA players, or before they went belly-up, Arena Football
League Players.

You expect the NFL owners to make the many BILLIONS of dollars per year,
and only pay their best players 1.1 mill a year, or even LESS? Not gonna
happen. When the NFL is at the bottom of the revenue-generated list,
then those salaries will drop.

 

[SAMURAITEXAN]

DR is a NFL player and he gets to pay for paying football just like we work to get salary from whoever we work for. In comparison with an ordinary people who work from 9-5, DR make a huge dough. This is one of a reason why many football players or any other sport athletes trying to become a professional athelete.

DR has every right to ask whatever he thinks he deserve(I don't know how much he asked for) and what is wrong with that? Some of us ordinary people may get headhunted by other company with better package or may look for better opportunity by ourselves for better living or ask your current company you work for raise which you think you deserve. Don't we do these things?

Yes, NFL palyers make a lot of money and we ordinarys make much much less. Each market place has its own value and this is the way it is. It is just a part of business.

So, welcome back DR and do your best.

GO TEXANS!!

 

[awtysst]

You haters will be severely drowned out when #23 comes out of the tunnel.

He's back and he's bent.

THAT is a good thing.

Except that he HAS to play lights out in order to get that contract that he desperately wants. He may start and if he does not do well, he might find himself sitting on the bench. Players on the bench do not get paid HUGE salaries. So, basically Dunta MUST play well and play well from the beginning or he likley does not get the huge contract he wants. So, he is in a win bigl/lose big situation.

 

[ChampionTexan]

Except that he HAS to play lights out in order to get that contract that he desperately wants. He may start and if he does not do well, he might find himself sitting on the bench. Players on the bench do not get paid HUGE salaries. So, basically Dunta MUST play well and play well from the beginning or he likley does not get the huge contract he wants. So, he is in a win bigl/lose big situation.

That all depends. If Dunta doesn't play well, and it looks to be just a matter of timing and getting back into "Football shape", then he continues to start.

If Dunta starts subpar, and it appears to be a lingering result of his '07 injury, then yes, he probably heads to the bench.

It may be damning with feint praise, but a healthy/almost healthy Dunta who's back/almost back to form is the best CB this team has. The only thing that will put him on the bench (after the first 2-4 weeks) is any lingering effect of the injury.

 

[eriadoc]

Players make so much money that most of us can't comprehend it. For those of you getting upset that Dunta might be quibbling over $23 million vs. whatever vs. guaranteed money vs. years on the deal .... I don't hear you complaining that ownership is quibbling over those same dollars and they make exponentially more than the players. Where is the outrage over what the owners rake in?

For those of you upset that Dunta held out this long, I'd remind you that it wasn't a hold out. He was not under contract. Sure, the Texans offered him a contract, but it was one in which Dunta was not protected in case of injury. So he did the best thing for his career. Having already been burned by a career-threatening injury (and one that's profoundly impacted his career security as it is), I don't blame the man one bit.

Furthermore, the man gave his word to Gary Kubiak that the team could count on him for the first week, and it appears he's a man of his word.

I just don't understand how some of you can completely overlook management's handling of this. If they offered him a higher-than-market-value contract and he turned it down, guess what? He has the right to do that. Just like any of you have the right to turn down a contract at any point in your lives. If he felt that the contract didn't work for him, and the two sides disagreed, guess what? He has the right to turn down that contract, just as any of you have the right to refuse any contract in any of your lives. And the reverse is true - the Texans have the right to rescind the contract offer (but you don't see them doing that).

Essentially, it boils down to forced employment or no employment. You and I have the right to refuse any employment contract we want here in Texas. We can just roll on down the road and try and find another offer. Dunta has the right to refuse the contract, but he has no such freedom to find another offer. He's held hostage. So he used to the fullest what few options he had to protect himself.

Again, I don't blame the man one bit.

 

[gary]

Truth is, players salaries are commensurate with the revenue that sport
brings. Soccer players, in the U.S. for example, don't make millions. Their
sport doesn't generate the BILLIONS required for such a salary. Same could
be said for WNBA players, or before they went belly-up, Arena Football
League Players.

You expect the NFL owners to make the many BILLIONS of dollars per year,
and only pay their best players 1.1 mill a year, or even LESS? Not gonna
happen. When the NFL is at the bottom of the revenue-generated list,
then those salaries will drop.

The same goes for every sport the more funds they bring in the higher the players are paid. I don't feel any owner in any sport to make what he or she makes and just not share the wealth. The fans are part to blame though for shelling out money at games for sports gear and food ect. All that money spent goes to the owners and players but hardcore fans are going to spend cash to show his or her support for their favorite team I don't blame them that's all part of being a fan. Sports has a much bigger global market today then it used to that's another huge factor here that can't be helped and every owner in sports knows that so why not keep on jacking up the cost of every thing.

 

[bckey]

I've got no problem with owners raking it in. Never have. They are owners. Players are employees. Bob McNair did a lot to get to where he is today. Most professional football players didn't do squat but play football. Most are given an college education just because of that playing ability. Not saying that there is anything wrong with it

I usually agree with you eriadoc but not on Dunta.