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Fire Frank Bush

We are a very stressful bunch about our football team just fire everyone and let the players play.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
some of you guys are such homers that any criticism of the team and its coaches gets your panties all in a wad
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I don't mind being labeled a homer. It's part of the experience to me of being a fan, much like chasing a love interest....the pursuit, the falling in love, the heartaches...to me, it's all part of it.

To support a team without putting your whole heart into it just seems kind of pointless to me. That's not to say I can't objectively look at a problem and agree that a change needs to be made, it's just that I would be slower to do it than a non-fan would.

To be frank though SH, I do appreciate having your type around that is quicker to point out what you perceive to be shortcomings. It brings a sort of balance to the whole thing.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
its not a joke. would you have preferred 'Frank Bush was a bad hire' or 'Kubiak hires another unqualified Broncos coach' or 'Frank Bush = Richard Smith' as for me saying 'i told you so', i stated that Bush was a bad hire the day he was hired and I stand by that.
Does that mean he was a bad hire? we won't know until we see actual meaningful games but the fact that he was assistant to the pisspoor defenses we have had the last few years doesnt make me feel good and the fact the he is running the same scheme doesnt make me feel good either. honestly, the fact that some of you disagree with me makes me feel pretty secure because its hard for some of you to be even marginally objective.

some of you guys are such homers that any criticism of the team and its coaches gets your panties all in a wad

its kinda funny. i hope i am wrong about Bush but he smells like a cheap hire of another Broncos coach who hasn't done squat

oh, and Spags hiring as a DC came after he had actual success as an assistant. Bush has not. The guy was partially responsible for the last few years defense and if you say he is not, then you are kidding yourself. He had done nothing to merit and the fact that no one else wanted to even interview him for a job should tell you all you need to know....but some will be ignorant and act like the guy is somehow destined for greatness.

i think the guy is destined for the unemployment line because he is not qualified...and Gary might be right behind him due to his inability to attract even a halfway qualified defensive coordinator...but whatever, Gary is beyond reproach and Bush is a god amongst DCs.

just try and mix in some objectivity and lose the homering if you are going to actually try and formulate a honest opinion
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a few things:

1. You were the thread-starter and after being criticized for it you called thread an obvious attempt to be "tongue and cheek".

2. Your complaint that you regularly make about the ownership being "cheap" and that this is an example of it is baseless. Perhaps it will be a bad hire (i don't know), but I'm confident the decision wasn't a financial one.

3. Why isn't Bush qualified? There were better resumes out there but he clearly has enough experience and knowledge to potentially be a good DC. It's not like he's been selling insurance the past 10 years.

4. Being a pessimist and an alarmist doesn't make you "objective"... Instead, it's the farthest thing from it. You are actually no different than a homer, except you replace hope with gloom. Congratulations!
 
dalemurphy said:
4. Being a pessimist and an alarmist doesn't make you "objective"... Instead, it's the farthest thing from it. You are actually no different than a homer, except you replace hope with gloom. Congratulations!
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QFT...... & I can't repp you.
 
dalemurphy said:
a few things:

1. You were the thread-starter and after being criticized for it you called thread an obvious attempt to be "tongue and cheek".

2. Your complaint that you regularly make about the ownership being "cheap" and that this is an example of it is baseless. Perhaps it will be a bad hire (i don't know), but I'm confident the decision wasn't a financial one.

3. Why isn't Bush qualified? There were better resumes out there but he clearly has enough experience and knowledge to potentially be a good DC. It's not like he's been selling insurance the past 10 years.

4. Being a pessimist and an alarmist doesn't make you "objective"... Instead, it's the farthest thing from it. You are actually no different than a homer, except you replace hope with gloom. Congratulations!
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i have been very optimistic at times but there hasn't been a lot to be optimistic about re:defense.

being pessimistic and alarmist? you mean being observant and honest? oh ok.
 
On one side of me I see shiny-faced optimists. On the other side I see saturnine pessimists. Precisely, absolutely, unambiguously, and indubitably in the middle is me.

Weird.
 
Runner said:
On one side of me I see shiny-faced optimists. On the other side I see saturnine pessimists. Precisely, absolutely, unambiguously, and indubitably in the middle is me.

Weird.
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Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with you...

-Stealers Wheel
 
Second Honeymoon said:
i have been very optimistic at times but there hasn't been a lot to be optimistic about re:defense.

being pessimistic and alarmist? you mean being observant and honest? oh ok.
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No one thinks they're being unobservant or dishonest. Everyone thinks they're being realistic. At least, I don't think you think that you fly off the handle at the slightest sneeze like an alley cat in a pack of dogs. I'm sure you're being totaly honest and giving what you think is a realistic assessment of the team. But everyone is*. Even the people you think are letting their homerism cloud their judgment.

* Excepting some people who are obviously joking with things like 16-0 comments.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
i have been very optimistic at times but there hasn't been a lot to be optimistic about re:defense.

being pessimistic and alarmist? you mean being observant and honest? oh ok.
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SH, I kind of owe you an apology. I went back to some old threads last preseason to quote some more of your overly pessimistic Threads. I certainly found some.

However, after the 1st Jaguar game, I found a thread that I started entitled: Kubiak is an Idi*t. I guess even the optimists, such as myself, are prone to the occasional loss of hope and venture into cynicism and frustration. I did rebound a few days later.

I disagree with a lot of your conclusions but I do get why you're frustrated about that performance last weekend. I'd rather the thread been titled, "Shoot Amobi in the head and end all of our misery":gun:... or something more appropriate like that. But, you went a different direction.
 
dalemurphy said:
SH, I kind of owe you an apology. I went back to some old threads last preseason to quote some more of your overly pessimistic Threads. I certainly found some.

However, after the 1st Jaguar game, I found a thread that I started entitled: Kubiak is an Idi*t. I guess even the optimists, such as myself, are prone to the occasional loss of hope and venture into cynicism and frustration. I did rebound a few days later.

I disagree with a lot of your conclusions but I do get why you're frustrated about that performance last weekend. I'd rather the thread been titled, "Shoot Amobi in the head and end all of our misery":gun:... or something more appropriate like that. But, you went a different direction.
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combine this post with Ben's "I'm all growed up" moment and the synergy is making me want to burst out in a lively version of Kumbaya. Excuse me, I'm a little choked up right now.
 
dalemurphy said:
SH, I kind of owe you an apology. I went back to some old threads last preseason to quote some more of your overly pessimistic Threads. I certainly found some.

However, after the 1st Jaguar game, I found a thread that I started entitled: Kubiak is an Idi*t. I guess even the optimists, such as myself, are prone to the occasional loss of hope and venture into cynicism and frustration. I did rebound a few days later.

I disagree with a lot of your conclusions but I do get why you're frustrated about that performance last weekend. I'd rather the thread been titled, "Shoot Amobi in the head and end all of our misery":gun:... or something more appropriate like that. But, you went a different direction.
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you don't owe me an apology, nor does anyone. we are all fans and we all have our own ways of venting and praising. i sometimes bang the homer drum a bit loudly, and I'll try and refrain from that moving forward.

everyone here is a good fan, or we wouldn't be here.

i'm just sick and tired of poor defensive schemes and poor defensive performance. i think we all are and I just don't think promoting from within was the right move to change the mindset, scheme, and utlimately the performance of the team.
 
Question here:

What NFL Defensive Coordinator got his first Defensive Coordinator position - already having Defensive Coordinator experience? :specnatz:

:mcnugget:
 
Maybe after Monday night, we will be able to edit the title of this thread to say.... Fired Up About Frank Bush!
 
Texan_Bill said:
Question here:

What NFL Defensive Coordinator got his first Defensive Coordinator position - already having Defensive Coordinator experience? :specnatz:

:mcnugget:
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yeah, thats true. but ask yourself how many assistants got a defensive coordinator position after helping run the defense that was so bad that the defensive coordinator got fired?

in most cases, an assistant has to be a part of a good and effective defense before he gets promoted or hired as a DC. our assistant-turned-DC has been a big part of a bad and ineffective defense the entire time he has been here. Someone mentioned Spagnulo the other day, Spags was a part of good defenses and had worked under top defensive coaches. I am all for giving guys a chance, but only if they show promise. Please tell me what Bush had shown amongst 2 years of almost total ineptitude on the defensive side of the ball.

Same scheme, no more Weaver but mostly same personnel. Why should we expect different results?
 
Tailgate said:
Maybe after Monday night, we will be able to edit the title of this thread to say.... Fired Up About Frank Bush!
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being that its Week 3 of preseason on MNF, I am thinking the Texans may come to play this week. They have played pretty well at home at primetime lately.

It's going to be interesting to see how the Vikings and Favre react after some of these reports about locker room 'schisms'. I have no beef with Favre but he better watch out. The Texans could come in really ticked off after last Saturday's shelacking at the hands of the Saints. Can't wait to go.

fwiw - i have 2 tickets for sale to the MNF game v. the Vikings. $100 OBO gets you 2 field level (sec 134 row r) seats in corner of endzone and a orange parking pass.

*blatant plug*
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Please tell me what Bush had shown amongst 2 years of almost total ineptitude on the defensive side of the ball.

Same scheme, no more Weaver but mostly same personnel. Why should we expect different results?
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Perhaps Bush was a descenting voice. Perhaps he was the driving force behind the few things that did work late in the season. We don't know.

"same scheme", I believe, simply means we are still running out of a 4-3 with similar alignments. Philosophically it is different- much more one gap, more Under defensive alignment. Probably (please God!) more disguise of blitz and also coverage. All of those things can change but players would still say "it's pretty much the same scheme".
 
Second Honeymoon said:
yeah, thats true. but ask yourself how many assistants got a defensive coordinator position after helping run the defense that was so bad that the defensive coordinator got fired?

in most cases, an assistant has to be a part of a good and effective defense before he gets promoted or hired as a DC. our assistant-turned-DC has been a big part of a bad and ineffective defense the entire time he has been here. Someone mentioned Spagnulo the other day, Spags was a part of good defenses and had worked under top defensive coaches. I am all for giving guys a chance, but only if they show promise. Please tell me what Bush had shown amongst 2 years of almost total ineptitude on the defensive side of the ball.

Same scheme, no more Weaver but mostly same personnel. Why should we expect different results?
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So the couple seasons under Buddy Ryan, 4-5 seasons under Greg Robinson, 2-3 under Pendergast mean nothing now that Bush has spent time under Smith? Bush had spent 12+ seasons under those 3 and their defenses ranked below 10th maybe 4 seasons, 2 being in Arizona.

He was brought in after SmithDC was hired so Smith's scheme has jack to do with Bush. I don't have a clue how Bush does as a DC, but I'm not going to sit here and say he ain't worth diddly because he spent a couple seasons under Smith. His defense had a shitty outting last weekend and I voiced my concern but I'm not knee-jerkin to the extent of saying it was a bad hire, yet.
 
There is enough talent on this team to do better than 8-8 this year. If we don't, and you can't explain it away by injuries, then let's all agree to dog pile on the coaches. Until then, I'm giving them benefit of the doubt.

Again. * heavy sigh *
 
Specnatz said:
Is this like a Chuck Norris type of question? :jogger:
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Chuck Norris could coordinate all 32 defenses in the NFL at the same time and it would result in a week where not one single offense was able to score a point. All of the games would be decided on a mix of interception returns for TD's, fumble returns for TD's and safeties.

The following weeks games would all be cancelled because no team could field an intact offense.
 
Hervoyel said:
Chuck Norris could coordinate all 32 defenses in the NFL at the same time and it would result in a week where not one single offense was able to score a point. All of the games would be decided on a mix of interception returns for TD's, fumble returns for TD's and safeties.

The following weeks games would all be cancelled because no team could field an intact offense.
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lol: Nice Herv!!!
 
Since I already started this thread, I may as well bump it.

Bush is what we thought he was....and Gary could not have coached a worse game.

Flatlining Gary's act is getting old. The only good thing I saw is that Cushing and Barwin got some playing time.

Kubiak and all his Denver scrub coaches can all get the hell out of here.

HIRE COWHER
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Since I already started this thread, I may as well bump it.

Bush is what we thought he was....and Gary could not have coached a worse game.

Flatlining Gary's act is getting old. The only good thing I saw is that Cushing and Barwin got some playing time.

Kubiak and all his Denver scrub coaches can all get the hell out of here.

HIRE COWHER
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(A)-he is still retired
(B)-would be hard to assemble a staff in the second week of the season
(C)-we need realistic answers, not pie-in-the-sky crap
 
Silver Oak said:
(A)-he is still retired
(B)-would be hard to assemble a staff in the second week of the season
(C)-we need realistic answers, not pie-in-the-sky crap
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HIRE COWHER is not unrealistic. I am not talking about hiring him to coach next week, but Kubiak sucks and its now even plainly clear to even the biggest Texans homers.

sorry that me wanting improvement and the best available candidates is pie-in-the-sky

i dont care who we get but this good ole boy act by Kubiak is making me sick

he is a flatliner and he always will be
 
Say we get Cowher then what? We have to sit through a few more years as we would have to retool a bunch of the roster, which means old vets and fa's. Im not trying to defend Kubes here, but I just dont know if I can sit through his horrible coaching or another few retooling years. I will say this KC's D looked like crap in the preseason and looked good today against the Raven's. I know KC picked up a ton of fa's and vets to fill its switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
sorry that me wanting improvement and the best available candidates is pie-in-the-sky
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well, we both want improvement then, but who out there is a better coach that's available? our only difference is that you have had a hardon for firing Kubiak for awhile now, and I have seen improvement each season.
 
I've seen this team bounce back after playing like bullshit.
Last year, they started 3-7, and went 5-1 to finish 8-8.
This year, if they want to make the playoffs, they'd BETTER
start no WORSE than 6-4.
 
DexmanC said:
I've seen this team bounce back after playing like bullshit.
Last year, they started 3-7, and went 5-1 to finish 8-8.
This year, if they want to make the playoffs, they'd BETTER
start no WORSE than 6-4.
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"Let me start out saying this: Do NOT blame that game on the defense...That was a disgraceful performance. ... We gave it away. We gave them the frigging game. In my opinion, that sucked...

...Horrible. Just horrible. Horrible...

Playoffs? Don't talk about playoffs. Are you kidding me? Playoffs? I'm just hoping we can win a game!"

playoffs.jpg
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Since I already started this thread, I may as well bump it.

Bush is what we thought he was....and Gary could not have coached a worse game.

Flatlining Gary's act is getting old. The only good thing I saw is that Cushing and Barwin got some playing time.

Kubiak and all his Denver scrub coaches can all get the hell out of here.

HIRE COWHER
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You have zero F'n football IQ, never have and never will.
 
Silver Oak said:
well, we both want improvement then, but who out there is a better coach that's available? our only difference is that you have had a hardon for firing Kubiak for awhile now, and I have seen improvement each season.
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how about this year, Silver Oak. you seen improvement...is going from 8-8 to 8-8 improvement...

some guys like Spec, just hate it when they are proven to be clueless and others with far more insight and objectivity are proven time and time again to be correct in their thinking. You aren't like spec, SO. Kubiak is what he is....a flatlining head coach who is outcoached almost weekly.
 
Frank Bush shouldn't have been hired in the first place.

Bush was an asst. coach on some of the worst defenses I've ever seen.

Instead of firing Bush they promoted him to DC. Great move Kubes.

You 've got the same people running the defense as last year minus Dick Smith and people are expecting this defense to improve. It's not going to happen.
 
steelbtexan said:
Frank Bush shouldn't have been hired in the first place.

Bush was an asst. coach on some of the worst defenses I've ever seen.

Instead of firing Bush they promoted him to DC. Great move Kubes.

You 've got the same people running the defense as last year minus Dick Smith and people are expecting this defense to improve. It's not going to happen.
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exactly. what made anyone think any of this would change? Antonio Smith's hiring? That guy was inviso ala Weaver for a lot of the game. Is it his fault or the schemes? I don't know but the defense was horrible on 3rd down....yet again.
 
LonerATO said:
Say we get Cowher then what? We have to sit through a few more years as we would have to retool a bunch of the roster, which means old vets and fa's. Im not trying to defend Kubes here, but I just dont know if I can sit through his horrible coaching or another few retooling years. I will say this KC's D looked like crap in the preseason and looked good today against the Raven's. I know KC picked up a ton of fa's and vets to fill its switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4.
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Or sit here for three more years watching a bad team be built? Teams have shown you can do some things in a year, just not us.
 
Ryan said:
Where's the pink soap?
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Bush sucks so bad, I can't even believe it. That play where no one covered Johnson made me embarassed to be a Texans fan. After such brilliance by Andre, the defense follows that up with an utterly stupid and moronic move.

And memo to Kubiak, God gave you 3 timeouts a half and it doesn't cost you any points to call a timeout. I am convinced that Kubiak must go and sooner rather than later. This team lacks any direction and oversight. Just basic fundamentals...

We have a few nice assistants but as a whole our coaching staff is pathetic
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Bush sucks so bad, I can't even believe it. That play where no one covered Johnson made me embarassed to be a Texans fan. After such brilliance by Andre, the defense follows that up with an utterly stupid and moronic move.

And memo to Kubiak, God gave you 3 timeouts a half and it doesn't cost you any points to call a timeout. I am convinced that Kubiak must go and sooner rather than later. This team lacks any direction and oversight. Just basic fundamentals...

We have a few nice assistants but as a whole our coaching staff is pathetic
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The players, not bush were responsible for that blown coverage. DeMecco, the defensive leader should have recognized it and called timeout. As far as Kubiak calling or not calling a timeout we don't know if he tried the camera never showed him, you are making an assumption. This must be the football knowledge you said you have forgotten about. I would love to know if he saw it or not so I can make my comments based off of that.

Are you going to post about the Int by Wilson because that was a good play by the D so I doubt you will talk about it.
 
Specnatz said:
The players, not bush were responsible for that blown coverage. DeMecco, the defensive leader should have recognized it and called timeout. As far as Kubiak calling or not calling a timeout we don't know if he tried the camera never showed him, you are making an assumption. This must be the football knowledge you said you have forgotten about. I would love to know if he saw it or not so I can make my comments based off of that.

Are you going to post about the Int by Wilson because that was a good play by the D so I doubt you will talk about it.
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Don't waste your time Spec...every TD we gave up today was on the people on the field...n not the D-coordinator.
 
All I can say is I am much happier with the way we ran our defense today than I ever was under Dick Smith. Yes, we gave up some big plays and definitely have got to work on that. But it was enjoyable watching the way the guys attacked the ball, blitzed quite a bit, and just seemed to play balls to the wall. We'll see next week if this was a fluke or not.
 
our defense needs to play with some "controlled chaos" .. this team played a lot better in the 2nd half of the game and recognizing the screens but seems like last year, four man rush, we still don't get any pressure
 
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