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2009 Member Mock (Second) Rounds 4-7

The Tennessee Titans are on the clock. Group pick.

Their draft so far.

Alex Mack, OC, California
Sen'Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn
Ramses Barden, WR, Cal-Poly


Are there any CB's worth taking?

I think the Titans pretty much have to go CB here.

Captain Munnerly (South Carolina) and DeAngelo Smith (Cincinnati) are my top ranked guys, but Domonique Johnson (Jackson St) and Bradley Fletcher (Iowa) wouldn't be terrible reaches.

Other than that, I guess they could go WR again. Kevin Ogletree (Virginia) and Johnny Knox (Abilene Christian) are my highest rated.

They already hit interior line with Mack but there are some good OGs still available. Andy Kemp (Wisconsin), Tyronne Greene (Auburn), and Louis Vasquez (Texas Tech) would all be fits.

They could also get depth at Safety with Emmanuel Cook (South Carolina).
 
At this point, on the CB front, I've got:

DeAngelo Smith
Jerraud Powers
Morgan Trent
Captain Munnerlyn
Christopher Owens
Bradley Fletcher
Domonique Johnson

All of these guys are slated in this part of the draft by different people.

On the WR front, there's:

Kevin Ogletree
Mike Wallace
Aaron Kelly
Deon Butler
Sammie Stroughter
 
At this point, on the CB front, I've got:

DeAngelo Smith
Jerraud Powers
Morgan Trent
Captain Munnerlyn
Christopher Owens
Bradley Fletcher
Domonique Johnson

All of these guys are slated in this part of the draft by different people.

On the WR front, there's:

Kevin Ogletree
Mike Wallace
Aaron Kelly
Deon Butler
Sammie Stroughter

I say Munnerlyn or Ogletree
 
There is a formal time limit. It is 12 hours. You got twice that.

Shouldn't be too difficult to check it once a day to see where the mock is at if you signed up. Maybe I expect too much?

There's 8 picks in one day and then we get stuck on one for a full 24 hours. People lose interest when it takes so long to get to their pick.
Again, I had a virus on my computer for about a week. It's hard to check twice a day when firefox crashes every time I open in and explorer is slow and unreliable. Again, I fixed the problem this morning and I'm good to go. No need to keep focusing on little ol' me, let's just get this rolling again.

And for the record, when I said time limit I meant to say time slot. On another site I post on, they have a mock where a pick is designated a time slot like 12PM - 4PM and if they don't make the pick they're skipped over or have the pick made for them. You reiterated my problem in that it's hard to get a consistent number of picks in a day. Granted, the end of round 4 is a horrible time to throw out the idea, but for future consideration perhaps.
 
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Again, I had a virus on my computer for about a week. It's hard to check twice a day when firefox crashes every time I open in and explorer is slow and unreliable. Again, I fixed the problem this morning and I'm good to go. No need to keep focusing on little ol' me, let's just get this rolling again.

And for the record, when I said time limit I meant to say time slot. On another site I post on, they have a mock where a pick is designated a time slot like 12PM - 4PM and if they don't make the pick they're skipped over or have the pick made for them. You reiterated my problem in that it's hard to get a consistent number of picks in a day. Granted, the end of round 4 is a horrible time to throw out the idea, but for future consideration perhaps.




Have you made ur pick???
 
At this point, on the CB front, I've got:

DeAngelo Smith
Jerraud Powers
Morgan Trent
Captain Munnerlyn
Christopher Owens
Bradley Fletcher
Domonique Johnson

All of these guys are slated in this part of the draft by different people.

On the WR front, there's:

Kevin Ogletree
Mike Wallace
Aaron Kelly
Deon Butler
Sammie Stroughter

I would take DeAngelo Smith.

Have you made ur pick???

The Giants took James Davis...
 
The reason why the Tacks should go WR here is because there defense is already set with Finnegan coming off of a Pro Bowl year and the rest of the unit playing solid. They need a WR because other then Roydell Williams they don't have a good WR on that roster.
 
The reason why the Tacks should go WR here is because there defense is already set with Finnegan coming off of a Pro Bowl year and the rest of the unit playing solid. They need a WR because other then Roydell Williams they don't have a good WR on that roster.

But they just drafted one in the last round. They really need a CB.
 
But they just drafted one in the last round. They really need a CB.
Agreed, outside of Nick Harper and Finnegan they don't have much. A nickel CB is a definite need and this would be a good spot to pick one. I vote DeAngelo Smith as well.
 
5 votes for Smith. Let's make this thing official.

EDIT Okay, since JGL35 made his Cards pick, I guess I'll make it official here.

The Titans select CB DeAngelo Smith, Cincinnati.
 
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Update:

97.) Dallas Cowgirls (F/DET) Select: Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State

98.) Kansas City Chiefs Select: Xavier Fulton, OT, Illinois

99.) St. Louis Rams Select: Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty

100.) Cleveland Browns Select: T.J. Lang, OT Eastern Michigan

101.) Seattle Seahawks select: Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU.

102.) Cincinnati Bengals Select: A.Q. Shipley, C, Penn State.

103.) Jacksonville Jaguars Select: Frantz Joseph, Mlb, Florida Atlantic

104.) Oakland Raiders Select: Michael Hamlin, SS, Clemson

105.) Green Bay Packers Select: Andre Brown, RB, NC State

106.) Buffalo Bills Select: Cornelius Ingram, TE, Florida

107.) San Francisco 49ers Select: Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston St.

108.) Houston Texans Select: Terrence Taylor, DT, Michigan

109.) San Diego Chargers Select: Cody Brown, OLB, Connecticut

110.) Denver Broncos Select: Jason Phillips, ILB, TCU

111.) New York Jets (F/WASH) Select: Travis Beckum, TE, Wisconsin

112.) New Orleans Saints Select: Gerald Mcrath, OLB, Southern Miss

113.) Dallas Cowgirls Select: Chip Vaughn, SS, Wake Forest

114.) New Orleans Saints (F/NYJ) Select: Zack Follett, OLB, California

115.) Chicago Bears Select: Jason Watkins, OT, Florida

116.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Select: Mohamed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia

117.) Philadelphia Eagles Select: Asher Allen, CB, Georgia

118.) Houston Texans (F/MINN) Select:Kevin Barnes, CB, Maryland

119.) Baltimore Ravens Select: Derek Pegues, FS, Mississippi State

120.) New England Patriots Select: Sherrod Martin, FS, Troy

121.) Atlanta Falcons Select: Chris Baker, DT, Hampton

122.) Miami Dolphins Select: Cornelius Lewis, OT, Tennessee State

123.) Indianapolis Colts Select: Alex Magee, DT, Purdue

124.) Carolina Panthers Select: Brandon Gibson, WR, Washington State

125.) New York Giants Select: James Davis, RB, Clemson

126.) Tennessee Tacks Select: DeAngelo Smith, CB, Cincinnati

127.) Arizona Cardinals Select: Jason Williams, OLB, Western Illinois

128.) Pittsburgh Steelers Select: Ole Miss Texan
 
The reason why the Tacks should go WR here is because there defense is already set with Finnegan coming off of a Pro Bowl year and the rest of the unit playing solid. They need a WR because other then Roydell Williams they don't have a good WR on that roster.

I believe they also signed Nate Washington from the Steelers.

Good job on the 4th round guys. Here is the list in case anyone wants to look.

Whats the deal with round 5? I may have missed where yall decided to stop or keep going.
 
Ok, if yall decide to continue the 5th round the Detroit Lions Select:

Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan State

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The Lions Have Kevin Smith who will be the starter, signed backup Maurice Morris in FA, but will need another running back. I was eying Peerman in the 6th round, but decided to pull the trigger on Ringer when he fell this far. According to his pro day he wowed NFL scouts and caught the ball very well.

Detroit Lions Draft:
R1: QB Stafford
R1: LT Britton
R2: DE Johnson
R3: TE Nelson
R3: ILB Beckwith
R5: RB Ringer

The Lions still have 2 selections in the 6th round to beef up the defense.
 
I believe the general concensus was NOT to include compensatory picks, but to include them in the next and final mock we do.

If people want to keep this mock going, I don't see any reason to stop. Those that don't want to participate could let everyone know and group picking could take over. Having the Steelers, I feel like I can just kick back and relax cuz I pick last :)


Again, I'd like to reiterate how much deeper this draft class is than I initially thought. From a Texans standpoint, I think we'll be able to find some really good players throughout the draft.
 
I was under the impression we were going to stop this mock here. And then after a brief re-charging of the batteries, go for a 7 round mock with the compensatory picks.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to go forward making picks with things out of order.
 
I was under the impression we were going to stop this mock here. And then after a brief re-charging of the batteries, go for a 7 round mock with the compensatory picks.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to go forward making picks with things out of order.

That's my feeling as well, but i thought there was a lot that felt differently from me. I'm just along for the ride.

Having the Steelers, who pick last in each round, I'm just kind of unattached to the mock and am not really following it closely. Just looking to see when it's my pick and trying to plug one of their few holes. So I'll do whatever the general concensus is.

I think this mock went pretty smoothly for the most part though and everyone gave it their best. With the next mock, I'd like for us to have some time to get to know our new team fairly well. Do more research on these teams wants/needs and players they're contacting. We're getting into the time where we "know" a little more of what these teams are thinking (yea right), how the prospects are starting to fall and what the team has done in Free Agency.
 
I will make a pick just on the presumption that we are continuting with the mock.

With the 2nd pick in the 5th round the St. Louis Rams select . . .

SS Emanuel Cook, South Carolina

The Rams resigned Oshiomogho Atogwe at FS, but they still have a glaring need at SS because Corey Chavous is 33 yrs old and they have no capable backup. Cook is a prospect who was projected into the 4th round range so I feel pretty good about grabbing him in the 5th round.

There are questions about his work ethic because of his grades and his poor academic standing near the end of his college career, but his dedication to playing football is not in question.

St. Louis Rams Draft:
1 - T Jason Smith, Baylor
2 - CB D.J. Moore, Vanderbilt
3 - QB Josh Freeman, Kansas State
4 - RB Rashad Jennings, Liberty
5 - SS Emmanuel Cook, South Carolina
 
If we are done, then I guess we can talk about what good players are left. Who will be there for the Texans and such.

I was surprised that Ringer was still available. Dannell Ellerbe. Roy Miller.
 
Fifth round
129 Seattle (from Detroit) - Kyle Bell, RB Colorado State
130 St. Louis - Emanuel Cook, SS South Carolina
131 Kansas City - Roy Miller, DT/NT UT
132 Denver (from Seattle) - Henry Melton, DE UT
133 Philadelphia (from Cleveland)
134 Cincinnati
135 Atlanta (from Oakland)
136 Jacksonville
137 Green Bay
138 San Francisco
139 Buffalo
140 San Diego
141 Denver
142 Washington
143 New York Giants (from New Orleans)
144 Houston
145 Philadelphia (from NY Jets)
146 Chicago
147 Tampa Bay
148 Dallas
149 Philadelphia
150 Minnesota
151 Philadelphia (from New England)
152 Atlanta
153 Miami
154 Baltimore
155 Carolina
156 New York Giants
157 Indianapolis
158 Dallas (from Tennessee)
159 Arizona
160 Pittsburgh
 
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yes originally this was set-up as a 3 rd. mock without trades, my bad. the appeitite for more is now being documented as I type, this is a good thing for those so inclined & provides an educational tool for everybody who cares about the draft/NFL, that is the purpose afterall. I say keep it simple, keep on track (no trades or compenestory picks) so every team has equal opportunity to address their needs keeping established real trades as noted in draft order. it doesnt matter to me if you pick last in the round or not, beleive me its a real pain in the ass to follow Ole Miss who really knows how to make excellent picks, before it rolls over into the wanna be's @ the bottom of each round in the selection order. He drives home why the good teams reamain the good teams, they just know who the football players on & rarely miss, like at least on a couple occasions taking the player @ the top of my board. The last three rounds should go much slower without the particapation, maybe a consenesus of two memebers would help speed things up? Anyway with that said KC is on the clock-

131 KC Cheifs select - Roy Miller, NT UT 6-1 312

Ascending player has the tools, size & expereince to start in the NFL as the Chiefs new 3-4 NT. Had excellent Pro-Day showing scouts he could carry more weight on his stocky frame (excellent low center of gravity for position) yet still not lose any explosiveness or speed 4.93/4.94 both much quicker than #1 NT prospect B.J. Raji. This enables Dorsey to play the LDE/LDT in the 3-4 with Aaron Curry coming from the OLB position. Roy has high character/work ethic
"My dad taught me how to be a man and to always work hard," Miller said. "He also taught me that there would be days where you don't want to do anything like go to work, school or practice, but you have to keep on going. I also remember nights where our family would eat dinner on an ironing board".
All-Big 12 Conference First Team, played @ a high level in a major program gaining valueable expereince so should be ready to step in as a rookie & make immediate impact. Roy was also defensive MVP in Texas' victory over Ohio State in the 2009 Fiesta Bowl (2.5 tackles, one TFL, one sack) backed it up in East-West Shrine Game.
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Fifth round
129 Seattle (from Detroit)
130 St. Louis
131 Kansas City
132 Denver (from Seattle)
133 Philadelphia (from Cleveland)
134 Cincinnati
135 Atlanta (from Oakland)
136 Jacksonville
137 Green Bay
138 San Francisco
139 Buffalo
140 San Diego
141 Denver
142 Washington
143 New York Giants (from New Orleans)
144 Houston
145 Philadelphia (from NY Jets)
146 Chicago
147 Tampa Bay
148 Dallas
149 Philadelphia
150 Minnesota
151 Philadelphia (from New England)
152 Atlanta
153 Miami
154 Baltimore
155 Carolina
156 New York Giants
157 Indianapolis
158 Dallas (from Tennessee)
159 Arizona
160 Pittsburgh

How did Seattle get Detroit's fifth rounder?
 
Julian Peterson was acquired in a trade with Seattle for DT Cory Redding and a fifth-round draft pick.

129th pick belongs to Seattle. any suggestions? so far -
  1. Eugene Monore, OT
  2. Sean Smith, CB/S
  3. Andy Kevitre, OG
  4. Demetrius Byrd

Julius Jones and T.J. Duckett are scheduled to share the load this season, but the Seahawks could still use a more explosive alternative here. Seattle has always struck me as a team a little off center, they always make some surprising picks if it where me I'd take a long hard look at Colorado State RB Kyle Bell, 6-0 233. big bruising back, strong (29 reps) with excellent speed (4.54) suffered acl (06) now fully recovered. Very similar back in style & size to Shaun Alexander 5-11 225 (selected by the Seahawks 19th overall in the 2000 draft).
 
Julian Peterson was acquired in a trade with Seattle for DT Cory Redding and a fifth-round draft pick.

129th pick belongs to Seattle. any suggestions? so far -
  1. Eugene Monore, OT
  2. Sean Smith, CB/S
  3. Andy Kevitre, OG
  4. Demetrius Byrd

Julius Jones and T.J. Duckett are scheduled to share the load this season, but the Seahawks could still use a more explosive alternative here. Seattle has always struck me as a team a little off center, they always make some surprising picks if it where me I'd take a long hard look at Colorado State RB Kyle Bell, 6-0 233. big bruising back, strong (29 reps) with excellent speed (4.54) suffered acl (06) now fully recovered. Very similar back in style & size to Shaun Alexander 5-11 225 (selected by the Seahawks 19th overall in the 2000 draft).

So this means Ringer is still on the board? Why not just stay with him if they're going RB?
 
So this means Ringer is still on the board? Why not just stay with him if they're going RB?

Ringer might make more sense for Detroit. Seattle however wants more of a classic power back. I know this is not saying much so take it with a grain of salt but on Fridays NFL Network Pathway to the Draft Casserly did his mock draft (top 10 only) & he had the Seahawks selecting Beanie Wells, 4th overall (once again similar size).

Following this mock & the fact gtexan02 selected OT Eugene Monroe (who I think is a much better pick than Casserly- good job gtexan02) his draft board was still empty of RB's. Bell is a much lesser known prospect than Ringer but his draft stock is ascending & fits their mold. So I would say Ringer is still on the board for any GM who wants to select him?

Someones going to have to take over Sea and NJY for me, as I just don't don't know enough about any of the prospects to make an informed choice. Good luck!
 
Fifth round
129 Seattle (from Detroit) - Kyle Bell, RB Colorado State
130 St. Louis - Emanuel Cook, SS South Carolina
131 Kansas City - Roy Miller, DT/NT UT
132 Denver (from Seattle) - Henry Melton, DE UT
133 Philadelphia (from Cleveland) P.J. Hill, RB Wisconsin
134 Cincinnati
135 Atlanta (from Oakland)
136 Jacksonville
137 Green Bay
138 San Francisco
139 Buffalo
140 San Diego
141 Denver
142 Washington
143 New York Giants (from New Orleans)
144 Houston
145 Philadelphia (from NY Jets)
146 Chicago
147 Tampa Bay
148 Dallas
149 Philadelphia
150 Minnesota
151 Philadelphia (from New England)
152 Atlanta
153 Miami
154 Baltimore
155 Carolina
156 New York Giants
157 Indianapolis
158 Dallas (from Tennessee)
159 Arizona
160 Pittsburgh
 
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yes originally this was set-up as a 3 rd. mock without trades, my bad. the appeitite for more is now being documented as I type, this is a good thing for those so inclined & provides an educational tool for everybody who cares about the draft/NFL, that is the purpose afterall. I say keep it simple, keep on track (no trades or compenestory picks) so every team has equal opportunity to address their needs keeping established real trades as noted in draft order. it doesnt matter to me if you pick last in the round or not, beleive me its a real pain in the ass to follow Ole Miss who really knows how to make excellent picks, before it rolls over into the wanna be's @ the bottom of each round in the selection order. He drives home why the good teams reamain the good teams, they just know who the football players on & rarely miss, like at least on a couple occasions taking the player @ the top of my board. The last three rounds should go much slower without the particapation, maybe a consenesus of two memebers would help speed things up? Anyway with that said KC is on the clock-

131 KC Cheifs select - Roy Miller, NT UT 6-1 312

Ascending player has the tools, size & expereince to start in the NFL as the Chiefs new 3-4 NT. Had excellent Pro-Day showing scouts he could carry more weight on his stocky frame (excellent low center of gravity for position) yet still not lose any explosiveness or speed 4.93/4.94 both much quicker than #1 NT prospect B.J. Raji. This enables Dorsey to play the LDE/LDT in the 3-4 with Aaron Curry coming from the OLB position. Roy has high character/work ethic All-Big 12 Conference First Team, played @ a high level in a major program gaining valueable expereince so should be ready to step in as a rookie & make immediate impact. Roy was also defensive MVP in Texas' victory over Ohio State in the 2009 Fiesta Bowl (2.5 tackles, one TFL, one sack) backed it up in East-West Shrine Game.
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fresh pic from UT Pro Day
 
So, if the Cheifs are employing a 3-4 defensive scheme what happens to Glenn Dorsey and Tamba Hali. I don't think Dorsey could play NT and I can't imagine him as a DE. As for Hali, the sight of seeing him play OLB is laughable. :d:
 
Yea, lol....I was confused to untill I saw someone posted s.l. hill. If people would actually take the time to at least write why they chose the particular player and post a pic that would make things easier.

It's not that - it's that only one person gave a name, then someone put it up as the selection... that's not how we've been doing it. I think we have a rule for the consensus picks - roughly, we've been going with the first one to receive four votes - unless there are a bunch of people online, then we let it string out a little longer.

So - not to speak for the whole group here - but I think all would pretty much agree that whatever team took SLHill is still on the clock. Let's just say he's nominated.
 
With the 133rd selection...the Philly Eagles select...

P.J. Hill - RB

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~ Productive back with good vision and power. Has durability concerns and character issues but I think that can be fixed especially playing for a team like the Eagles who have leaders in McNabb and Westbrook. Good RB to compliment Westbrook.
 
So, if the Cheifs are employing a 3-4 defensive scheme what happens to Glenn Dorsey and Tamba Hali. I don't think Dorsey could play NT and I can't imagine him as a DE. As for Hali, the sight of seeing him play OLB is laughable. :d:

Dorsey doesn't have to play nose. Chiefs address this need in the draft, thats why I selected Roy Miller, to play NT.

Also should note: from Z report, as it relates to the Texans -

For the record, I think Roy Miller is similar to Kyle Williams when he came out of LSU. I think he'll be an active backup NT who will be a good value in the 5th. I think the Texans should look at him.
 
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