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NFL Outsiders:Texans select:Clint Sintim

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http://mvn.com/outsider/2009/03/nfl-outsider-mock-draft-jets-address-qb-position-with-sanchez.html

1. Detroit Lions -- Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
2. St. Louis Rams -- Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
3. Kansas City Chiefs -- Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
4. Seattle Seahawks -- Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
5. Cleveland Browns -- Rey Maualuga, LB, USC
6. Cincinnati Bengals -- Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
7. Oakland Raiders -- B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
8. Jacksonville Jaguars -- Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
9. Green Bay Packers -- Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
10. San Fransisco 49ers -- Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
11. Buffalo Bills -- Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
12. Denver Broncos -- Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
13. Washington Redskins -- Brian Cushing, OLB, USC
14. New Orleans Saints -- Clay Matthews, OLB, USC
15. Houston Texans -- Clint Sintim, OLB, Virginia
16. San Diego Chargers -- Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
17. New York Jets -- Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
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I don't know much about the guy
The Texans have only completed the first phase of what should be a three-phase plan to fix their pass rush. Signing defensive end Antonio Smith to take over the defensive end spot vacated by the jettisoned Anthony Weaver is just the beginning. Smith isn't exactly a terror as a pass rusher, but is definitely an upgrade who figures to benefit from the new aggressive style of play the defense will be employing under new defensive coordinator Frank Bush, and new defensive line coach Bill Kollar.

Phase two of the plan should be to spend a high draft pick on a strong-side linebacker who can also rush the passer.

Enter Clint Sintim. He'll be looked at as a huge reach at 15, but with Cushing and Matthews both surprisingly off the board, I'm picking positional need over best player available. I have concerns about Sintim's ability to play the SAM in a 4-3, but his upside is huge so he is the pick.

Sintim is a violent, physical linebacker who has great closing speed. He's not a great cover linebacker, but he can rush the passer like nobody's business, making him very attractive to the Texans. He's fantastic at taking on and shedding blocks, and he's a sure tackler.

The Senior Bowl did not go well for Clint, but I always put a player's college body of work and on-field results over things like the Senior Bowl and the NFL Combine. Phase one and two to fix the team's pass rush are now complete
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http://mvn.com/outsider/2009/03/nfl-outsider-mock-draft-sintim-rounds-out-top-15.html
 
Will seeing how most mocks are way off at this point, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say there is a 0% chance this one is correct.

Crabtree to St. Louis is becoming popular but I still just can't see them passing on their pick of a LT.

Don't get me started on Stafford to Kansas City. Guess the Chiefs are already throwing in the towel on Matt Cassell.

Michael Oher would be my pick at #15 against many of y'alls liking.
 
I wouldn't mind either Clint Sintim or Clay Matthews, both of these OLBs can rush the passer and get in the QBs face. The Texans NEED a pass rusher but also a OLB that can shed blocks, which I believe both of these players do (I give Sintim the slight edge however).

Let's Go :d:!!!
 
Texan4Ever said:
I wouldn't mind either Clint Sintim or Clay Matthews, both of these OLBs can rush the passer and get in the QBs face. The Texans NEED a pass rusher but also a OLB that can shed blocks, which I believe both of these players do (I give Sintim the slight edge however).

Let's Go :d:!!!
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Problem is neither one of them looks solid in pass coverage.
 
Texan4Ever said:
I wouldn't mind either Clint Sintim or Clay Matthews, both of these OLBs can rush the passer and get in the QBs face. The Texans NEED a pass rusher but also a OLB that can shed blocks, which I believe both of these players do (I give Sintim the slight edge however).

Let's Go :d:!!!
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Sintim plays in a 3-4 at UVA, and he projects to the 3-4 in the NFL. Matthews played a hybrid end...the same position Cushing played before. Cushing put up great numbers that year as well. Matthews did not. Matthews is another 3-4 LB.
 
Sintim was a very good player at UVA and he's a good character guy, but if he's going to play OLB, it needs to be in a 3-4. I'm not an expert on the differences between the two schemes (so correct me if I'm wrong), but a 4-3 OLB requires more agility and has to play in space more often than a 3-4 OLB. Sintim really struggled on the rare occasions he was asked to cover, and he often had trouble containing speedy players on the edge.

He's an outstanding pass-rusher who proved this past season that he didn't need Chris Long in front of him to get sacks. But, again, that is a skill that will be better maximized in a 3-4.

As much as I like the guy, he's not a good fit for us, and I certainly wouldn't take him at 15 even if Curry and all the USC LBs are off the board.
 
IF this was the shakedown and we didn't select Oher I would **** myself, take off my pants and unders and mail them to Reliant.
 
If it's between Matthews and Sintim, I am taking Sintim a full round before Matthews.

I'm amazed at the Matthews hype around here. I'd be interested to see how many people have actually seen him play more than once.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Sintim plays in a 3-4 at UVA, and he projects to the 3-4 in the NFL. Matthews played a hybrid end...the same position Cushing played before. Cushing put up great numbers that year as well. Matthews did not. Matthews is another 3-4 LB.
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We got it, and I respectfully disagree. He is the best in the class for this football teams needs. I say Cushing has maxed out and Mathews is just now hitting his stride. He hasn't finished growing. Be a shame if it fell like this.
 
TexansSeminole said:
If it's between Matthews and Sintim, I am taking Sintim a full round before Matthews.

I'm amazed at the Matthews hype around here. I'd be interested to see how many people have actually seen him play more than once.
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I do like those big tree trunk legs that Sintim has. Lots of power in that dude.
 
Never really agreed with the "this player is this type of player" stuff.

I think Sintim can play in both schemes. Obviously he is more familiar with the 3-4 but that does not mean that he can't play in the 4-3.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Never really agreed with the "this player is this type of player" stuff.

I think Sintim can play in both schemes. Obviously he is more familiar with the 3-4 but that does not mean that he can't play in the 4-3.
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Sintim was very stiff in coverage at the Senior Bowl. I think that's why most people assume only a 34 team will take him.
 
TexansSeminole said:
If it's between Matthews and Sintim, I am taking Sintim a full round before Matthews.

I'm amazed at the Matthews hype around here. I'd be interested to see how many people have actually seen him play more than once.
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Well I watched Sintim playing the three four and at the combine if your expecting him to be more than a hand on the ground guy....drop in coverage....you're going to be diappointed. He's stiff.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=1807

the last paragraph please.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=33810&draftyear=2009&genpos=OLB

'He might have to move .....inside.' We don't need that. He's a fine football player. Great upsde...but he belongs in a three four. And unless we're switching once again....or moving Ryans....I don't see it. CBSsports guy is throwning darts tring to hit something. Interesting but as worthless as teats on a boar.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Never really agreed with the "this player is this type of player" stuff.

I think Sintim can play in both schemes. Obviously he is more familiar with the 3-4 but that does not mean that he can't play in the 4-3.
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If a guy can't flip his hips....or read...he can't be an OLB in a forty three. And you can be just as baffeled at that as you want to be TS. But it's been that way for forty years.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Never really agreed with the "this player is this type of player" stuff.

I think Sintim can play in both schemes. Obviously he is more familiar with the 3-4 but that does not mean that he can't play in the 4-3.
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I can't believe I'm running down my own guy, but here goes: Sintim is pretty awkward in any kind of lateral movement. And he's not particularly fast. On the plus side, he's stout and can take on blockers at the point of attack (absolutely necessary for a 3-4 OLB), and he is hell-on-wheels going forward which is why he's a good pass rusher. Again, these talents are ideally suited for a 3-4 OLB.

While they're useful skills for a 4-3 OLB, the position requires much more coverage work and lateral movement. I'm not saying he can't play the Sam in a 4-3, but his value to a 4-3 team is less than his value will be to a 3-4. And I'm not saying he won't be able to learn a 4-3 scheme, either--the kid is very bright--but his physical abilities are better suited to a 3-4.

Put it this way, if we ran a 3-4 and our biggest need was OLB, I'd consider trading up if I had any inkling that Sintim could be gone before the 15th pick. Some mocks, though, have him falling into the second round. If he does and we didn't draft an OLB in the first round, I'd definitely consider him there.
 
threetoedpete said:
If a guy can't flip his hips....or read...he can't be an OLB in a forty three. And you can be just as baffeled at that as you want to be TS. But it's been that way for forty years.
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How many times have you read "this guy can't do this", and the next year the guy is doing it on a weekly basis? Look at Slaton.

I just go by what I see, and I see a good football player that has an all-around game, but is excellent on blitzes.

I'm the kind of guy that says "yea he might be better in a 3-4." I am not the kind of guy that says "he is a 3-4 linebacker, he will not play in the 4-3." Not sure why people think they know what a guy can or can't do from MAYBE watching a few games or reading a few paragraphs.

AKA I don't care what homeboy on nfldraftscout says.

Everybody has weaknesses and strengths. Sintim is a very good blitzer and therefore was used as that type of player during his time at UVA. Just because he is unfamiliar or uncomfortable with some things he isn't all that experienced in, doesn't mean he can't do it.

JMO.
 
I don't take any mocks seriously, but with this one I wouldn't even be able to use it as a good reference...
 
TexansSeminole said:
How many times have you read "this guy can't do this", and the next year the guy is doing it on a weekly basis? Look at Slaton.

I just go by what I see, and I see a good football player that has an all-around game, but is excellent on blitzes.

I'm the kind of guy that says "yea he might be better in a 3-4." I am not the kind of guy that says "he is a 3-4 linebacker, he will not play in the 4-3." Not sure why people think they know what a guy can or can't do from MAYBE watching a few games or reading a few paragraphs.

AKA I don't care what homeboy on nfldraftscout says.

Everybody has weaknesses and strengths. Sintim is a very good blitzer and therefore was used as that type of player during his time at UVA. Just because he is unfamiliar or uncomfortable with some things he isn't all that experienced in, doesn't mean he can't do it.

JMO.
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Which is why: A. they are fixing to draft a Rb to help take the load off of Salton.
B. Why you are confussed.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Will seeing how most mocks are way off at this point, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say there is a 0% chance this one is correct.

Crabtree to St. Louis is becoming popular but I still just can't see them passing on their pick of a LT.

Don't get me started on Stafford to Kansas City. Guess the Chiefs are already throwing in the towel on Matt Cassell.

Michael Oher would be my pick at #15 against many of y'alls liking.
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With the third pick in NFL Outsider's 2009 Mock Draft, NFL blogger Mike of Pro Football America selects Matthew Stafford (QB, Georgia). DISCLAIMER: This selection was made before the Chiefs acquired Matt Cassel.


Well, with the Chiefs trading for Matt Cassel, they obviously won't be drafting Matt Stafford with the third pick, so we'll just look at what Stafford brings to the table in general.
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If the Lions don't take him first overall, Stafford could fall all the way to 17th to the Jets, and if they got him there, it would be the steal of the draft.
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http://mvn.com/outsider/2009/03/nfl-outsider-mock-draft-stafford-rounds-out-top-three.html
 
threetoedpete said:
Which is why: A. they are fixing to draft a Rb to help take the load off of Salton.
B. Why you are confussed.
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As every franchise does when they have only 1 RB. What's different about this situation? Are you really trying to tell me that they are drafting a RB because Slaton can't be a #1 back? I don't see the point in your response if your not.

My point about Slaton was that he wasn't supposed to do most of the things he did last year, but he did it, despite the smarties on (insert draft site) saying that he could not. Happens every year with ALOT of players.

I'm not confused. We'll see what happens. Sintim is going to have to drop back no matter what. It doesn't matter if he plays in a 4-3 or a 3-4. If the guy was not good (I should say if he was bad) in coverage he would not be a projected first day guy.
 
Hooston Texan said:
I'm not saying he can't play the Sam in a 4-3, but his value to a 4-3 team is less than his value will be to a 3-4. And I'm not saying he won't be able to learn a 4-3 scheme, either--the kid is very bright--but his physical abilities are better suited to a 3-4.
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Oh, I agree with you on this 100%. It just amazes me that people are ready to say what a guy can or can't do before he even plays a down in the league.
 
TexansSeminole said:
As every franchise does when they have only 1 RB. What's different about this situation? Are you really trying to tell me that they are drafting a RB because Slaton can't be a #1 back? I don't see the point in your response if your not.

My point about Slaton was that he wasn't supposed to do most of the things he did last year, but he did it, despite the smarties on (insert draft site) saying that he could not. Happens every year with ALOT of players.

I'm not confused. We'll see what happens. Sintim is going to have to drop back no matter what. It doesn't matter if he plays in a 4-3 or a 3-4. If the guy was not good in coverage he would not be a projected first day guy.
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Well they had the 250 yard Peterson game on the other day from '07..anyway
they got Chad Greeway locked on Greg Olsen and Olsen was on a wheel route...guess what happend ? thats right The QB droped the ball over Greenways shouder and olsen tourched hm for a thirty yard gain....

Now Greenway can flip his hips....sitim can not....You can believe what you want....but there is no fricken way if Sintim gets locked on to MJD, Chris Jonhson.....or Tony Gonzales, he'd have any hope of covering them. Those three would own him every game all game long.

Had my say I'm done.
 
threetoedpete said:
Well they had the 250 yard Peterson game on the other day from '07..anyway
they got Chad Greeway locked on Greg Olsen and Olsen was on a wheel route...guess what happend ? thats right The QB droped the ball over Greenways shouder and olsen tourched hm for a thirty yard gain....

Now Greenway can flip his hips....sitim can not....You can believe what you want....but there is no fricken way if Sintim gets locked on to MJD, Chris Jonhson.....or Tony Gonzales, he'd have any hope of covering them. Those three would own him every game all game long.

Had my say I'm done.
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Chad Greenway?

Wait wait wait. Your logic is that Greenway can "flip his hips" and he got beat once by Greg Olsen on a replay that you watched, so your ready to say Sintim will get owned every game all game because he can't "flip his hips."

I think the difference here is that I watch the guy play and I form an opinion, I didn't read any "draft analysis" on him. Looks like you read an article, repeated it, then watched some NFL replay and came up with your analysis on a college football player.

Touche.

I'm not saying I am right, I am just perplexed by how you formed your opinion.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Sintim plays in a 3-4 at UVA, and he projects to the 3-4 in the NFL. Matthews played a hybrid end...the same position Cushing played before. Cushing put up great numbers that year as well. Matthews did not. Matthews is another 3-4 LB.
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Cushing started all of his 2006 sophomore season as a stand-up defensive end in USC's hybrid 3-4 "Elephant" defense. Overall in 2006 while appearing in all 13 games, he had 57 tackles, including a team-best 13.5 for losses of 52 yards (with 4.5 sacks for minus 33 yards), plus a deflection, a forced fumble, a blocked punt that he returned 21 yards

Mathews 2008 Stats: playing the Elephant. Game Played/Started 13, TKL 56,
TFL 9, Sack 4.5, PBU 2, FF 2 and 2 fumble recoveries.

Yeh I see youre point. :headhurts:
 
I'm not going to pretend to know I know alot about Mattews or Cushings but I will take the guy that up Senior numbers as a Sophmore. Plus he also has more experience. I personally like Cushings over Mattews - as obviously did Pete C and Ken Norton Jr.
 
mussop said:
Cushing started all of his 2006 sophomore season as a stand-up defensive end in USC's hybrid 3-4 "Elephant" defense.QUOTE]



Since you mentioned the Trojans elephant D, I thought I'd post a link which talks about the scheme and what it is: http://www.trojanfootballanalysis.com/usc_elephant_defense.html.

I still think Cushing can be a good OLB in a 4-3 defense, he has the physical tools and is a smart LB so he will figure it out.
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I actually made that Sintim pick in the Outsiders draft.

It's not one guy's mock. It's a blogger that blogs for each team, representing each team... and I rep'd the Texans.

Understand that Matthews and Cushing were off the board, and there were no trades allowed.

I didn't really anticipate having to pick with both Cushing and Matthews gone, and I wasn't ever going to pick a WR, RB, or CB.

I do like Sintim a LOT, but obviously his pass coverage is suspect. In a real world situation, I wouldn't make that pick, but again - no trades allowed. I wouldn't mind Sintim after a trade-down, though. The dude is a freaking monster... it's just that yeah - he seems more like a 3-4 rush linebacker.

So try to understand the circumstances before you slam me TOO hard :D

I've done a ton of these blogger-representative mocks, and this is the only one where I had to go with Sintim.

Looking back - and this is a topic for another thread (of which I think there actually is one already) I probably should have taken Michael Oher.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Gotcha, so are different people making each selection? I just went off the date on the mock draft 3/24/09.
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Yes. Me, a Texans blogger picking for the Texans, a Lions blogger picking for the Lions, etc.

Also - though the date on the pick is 3/24 - I actually made the pick a week and a half before that... it's just that they wanted to get the maximum amount of content out of that feature, so they just post one selection per day, instead of the whole thing at once... so my pick was actually made a while ago.
 
Texan4Ever said:
mussop said:
Cushing started all of his 2006 sophomore season as a stand-up defensive end in USC's hybrid 3-4 "Elephant" defense.QUOTE]



Since you mentioned the Trojans elephant D, I thought I'd post a link which talks about the scheme and what it is: http://www.trojanfootballanalysis.com/usc_elephant_defense.html.

I still think Cushing can be a good OLB in a 4-3 defense, he has the physical tools and is a smart LB so he will figure it out.
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Guess waht these numbers represent. Rey Maualuga 15 ,Brian Cushing 23 and Clay Matthews 27.
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I don't think the Texans take Sintim unless they trade WAY back. I think he can be a 3 down player for us but not in the traditional sense because he cannot cover at all. His value could be at SAM LB for 1st and 2nd down and pass rusher on 3rd and obvious passing situations.

I would prefer someone else but I wouldn't bang my head against the wall if the traded back and took Sintim. I am hoping for a trade back and either Cushing or Matthews in 1 with a pass rushing DE in 2 and a RB and DB in 3 (extra pick from trade down) then BPA the rest of the way.
 
I dunno but I'm thinking that Virginia may be one of the few college programs that actually runs a 3-4, which makes Sintim that unusual college LB who the pros won't have to "project" as a 3-4 OLB in the NFL since he's already playing that positon in college. I'd be surprised if a 4-3 team like the Texans
would want to play him at DE and doubt they want to "project" to OLB in their 4-3 ?
 
Texan4Ever said:
*Seriouslly, what do these #s mean?
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Seriously, they are Wonderlic scores.

The next question should be, why are Wonderlic scores important?

nunusguy said:
I dunno but I'm thinking that Virginia may be one of the few college programs that actually runs a 3-4, which makes Sintim that unusual college LB who the pros won't have to "project" as a 3-4 OLB in the NFL since he's already playing that positon in college. I'd be surprised if a 4-3 team like the Texans
would want to play him at DE and doubt they want to "project" to OLB in their 4-3 ?
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Matthews played standup DE for USC, essentially the same responsibilities as a 3-4 OLB, yet no one is questioning his ability to "project" to OLB in the 4-3. Sounds like a double standard.
 
Lucky said:
Seriously, they are Wonderlic scores.

The next question should be, why are Wonderlic scores important?


Matthews played standup DE for USC, essentially the same responsibilities as a 3-4 OLB, yet no one is questioning his ability to "project" to OLB in the 4-3. Sounds like a double standard.
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I posted their wonderlick scores in response to this.

I still think Cushing can be a good OLB in a 4-3 defense, he has the physical tools and is a smart LB so he will figure it out.

If Cushing is smart enought to figurte it out then Mathews shoudnt have any problem.


I think the deal with Sintim has more to do with "stiff hips" than it does where he played. Personally I think this stiff hips thing is getting blown out of proportion. In all my years of watching predraft I have never heard this term used so much. IMO he is going to be a hell of a LB no matter what system he plays in. The guy hits like Wilber Marshall and is a great pass rusher.
 
you must spread some rep around....

Look you want to take the shot with sidbury , english or Barwin...I'm with you. all of them can flip their hips, turn and run like the wind. Sidbury is a bit of a long strider but I believe he's going to make the transition better than some of the draft gurus are saying.

Sintim, no way Jose.....situational ass rusher in the 4-3....only. No way you pick that for a four three team in the first round.
 
Lucky said:
Seriously, they are Wonderlic scores.

The next question should be, why are Wonderlic scores important?


Matthews played standup DE for USC, essentially the same responsibilities as a 3-4 OLB, yet no one is questioning his ability to "project" to OLB in the 4-3. Sounds like a double standard.
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That is because.....he can flip his hips and run....and he matches the scheme....he is exactly the type of athlete you are looking for for a will if you're are stunting the DTs .

I think Rey is going to be ok running the middle of a 34. I think he'd be toast on the out side in either defense.
 
threetoedpete said:
That is because.....he can flip his hips and run....
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Thank you, John McClain.

threetoedpete said:
and he matches the scheme....
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A scheme he's never played before? Wait, how do we really know what scheme the Texans will be running?

threetoedpete said:
he is exactly the type of athlete you are looking for for a will if you're are stunting the DTs .
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Then, why didn't Matthews ever play WLB at USC? Is Pete Carroll incapable of judging talent and finding where it fits?
 
Lucky said:
Seriously, they are Wonderlic scores.

The next question should be, why are Wonderlic scores important?


Matthews played standup DE for USC, essentially the same responsibilities as a 3-4 OLB, yet no one is questioning his ability to "project" to OLB in the 4-3. Sounds like a double standard.
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No double standard here. I've never made any bones about the fact that I'm a UVA guy (hence my spot as the driver of the Schaub Bandwagon). Sintim was an excellent player at Virginia, and if we ran a 3-4 and needed an OLB who can both hold up at the point of attack and bring heat on the QB, I'd take him at 15 and not look back.

My doubts about his ability to convert has NOTHING to do with his brains. If he made it through four years at UVA without spending any time on the often-crowded academically ineligible list, he's plenty smart enough to learn a new scheme.

I've watched every game Sintim played that was televised here (thanks to ESPN Gameplan). He cannot move laterally. When he gets a radar lock on a stationary target, it's all over, but he's not very fast. When he is forced to chase, he gets left in the dust. As I've said before, those deficiencies are easier hid in a 3-4 than they are a 4-3.

I'm not saying he can't be useful in a 4-3; I just don't see him being first-round useful.
 
mussop said:
I posted their wonderlick scores in response to this.

I still think Cushing can be a good OLB in a 4-3 defense, he has the physical tools and is a smart LB so he will figure it out.

If Cushing is smart enought to figurte it out then Mathews shoudnt have any problem.


I think the deal with Sintim has more to do with "stiff hips" than it does where he played. Personally I think this stiff hips thing is getting blown out of proportion. In all my years of watching predraft I have never heard this term used so much. IMO he is going to be a hell of a LB no matter what system he plays in. The guy hits like Wilber Marshall and is a great pass rusher.
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Then u must remember wilber marshall couldn't cover worth a damn then too?
 
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