2009 Small School Prospects

[rmartin65]

Now that the Combine is done, and a few of the pro days are done, here is my top 5 positional rankings for the small school (FCS, DII, DIII, NAIA) prospects. The heights and weights are from NFL Draft Scout, it was nice to have most of the heights and weights in one place. The rankings however, are my own. I have watched film on almost all of these guys, so without further ado, here is the list:

2009 Small School Position Rankings
QB
1) Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston State, 6’2” 225 lbs
2) Jason Boltus, Hartick, 6’3” 225 lbs
3) Mike Reilly, Central Washington, 6’3” 214 lbs
4) Nathan Brown, 6’1” 219 lbs
5) Brock Smith, Liberty, 6’2” 242 lbs

RB
1) Rashad Jennings, Liberty, 6’1” 231 lbs
2) Javarris Williams, Tennessee State, 5’10” 223 lbs
3) Josh Vaughn, Richmond, 6’ 234 lbs
4) Herb Donaldson, Western Illinois, 5’10” 222 lbs
5) Tyler Roehl, North Dakota State, 5’10” 232 lbs

WR
1) Johnny Knox, Abilene Christian, 6’ 185 lbs
2) Ramses Barden, Cal Poly, 6’6” 229 lbs
3) Domonique Edison, Stephen F. Austin, 6’2” 204 lbs
4) Julius Pruitt, Ouachita Baptist, 6’3” 211 lbs
5) Jon Davis, Azusa Pacific, 6’3” 205 lbs

TE
1) Zach Miller, Nebraska Omaha, 6’4” 233 lbs
2) Jared Bronson, Central Washington, 6’4” 253 lbs
3) John Nalbone, Monmouth, 6’4” 258 lbs
4) Robbie Angone, Delaware, 6’6” 258 lbs
5) Jeremiah Wurzbacher, North Dakota State, 6’5” 250 lbs

OT
1) Joel Bell, Furman, 6’7” 315 lbs
2) Cornelius Lewis, Tennessee State, 6’7” 332 lbs
3) Nick Hennessey, Colgate, 6’6” 291 lbs
4) Sam Allen, Grand Valley State, 6’5” 296 lbs
5) Kyle Link, McNeese State, 6’6” 305 lbs

OG
1) Roger Allen, Missouri Western, 6’3” 326 lbs
2) Louis West, Henderson State, 6’7” 378 lbs
3) Tim Henderson, Northwestern State, 6’3” 326 lbs
4) Jonathan Compas, UC Davis, 6’2” 298 lbs
5) William Giles, Tennessee Chattanooga, 6’4” 290 lbs

OC
1) Cecil Newton, Tennessee State, 6’2” 294 lbs
2) Colin Dow, Montana, 6’5” 305 lbs
3) Tommy Crowley, West Texas A&M, 6’4” 293 lbs
4) Scott Lemn, James Madison, 6’2” 286 lbs
5) Jonathan St. Pierre, Illinois State, 6’3” 312 lbs

DE
1) Lawrence Sidbury Jr., Richmond, 6’3” 266 lbs
2) Pierre Walters, Eastern Illinois, 6’4” 269 lbs
3) Greg Peach, Eastern Washington, 6’2” 252 lbs
4) Ryan Kees, St. Cloud State, 6’5” 276 lbs
5) Desmond Bryant, Harvard, 6’6” 288 lbs

DT
1) Sammie Lee Hill, Stillman, 6’4” 329 lbs
2) Everette Pendescleaux, Northern Iowa, 6’6” 305 lbs
3) John Faletoese, Cal Davis, 6’2” 285 lbs
4) Chris Baker, Hampton, 6’2” 326 lbs
5) Louis Ellis, Shaw, 6’2” 315 lbs

OLB
1) Jason Williams, Western Illinois, 6’1” 241 lbs
2) Willie Williams, Union, 6’3” 228 lbs
3) Lee Robinson, Alcorn State, 6’2” 249 lbs
4) Jovan Belcher, Maine, 6’2” 229 lbs
5) Jacob Calderon, Cal Lutheran, 6’ 234 lbs

ILB
1) Cyrus Mulitalo, Sacramento State, 5’11” 244 lbs
2) Tom Korte, Hillsdale, 5’11” 236 lbs
3) Ryan Phipps, Idaho State, 6’ 228 lbs
4) Nathan Williams, Murray State, 6’1” 228 lbs
5) Owen Koeppen, Carroll, 6’1” 232 lbs

CB
1) Don Carey, Norfolk State, 5’11” 192 lbs
2) Ladarius Webb, Nicholls State, 5’10” 179 lbs
3) Domonique Johnson, Jackson State, 6’2” 198 lbs
4) Gregory Toler, St. Pauls, 5’11” 185 lbs
5) William Middleton, Furman, 5’10” 193 lbs

FS
1) Colt Anderson, Montana, 5’10” 194 lbs
2) Javorris Jackson, Savannah State, 6’4” 216 lbs
3) Dre’Mail Hardin, Stillman, 6’ 195 lbs
4) Tom Nelson, Illinois State, 5’11” 196 lbs
5) Marcus Haywood, James Madison, 6’ 190 lbs

SS
1) Andy Romans, Lafayette, 5’10” 218 lbs
2) Allen Nelson, McNeese State, 6’1” 210 lbs
3) Chauncey Calhoun, Valley City State, 6’1” 204 lbs
4) Brandon Gathof, Eastern Kentucky, 6’2” 205 lbs
5) Drew Mack, Towson, 6’ 205 lbs

Return Specialists
1) (WR) Larry Beavers, Wesley, 5’10” 167 lbs
2) (WR) Kevin Teel, Hampton, 5’8” 158 lbs
3) (WR) Jeremy Gilchrist, Hampton, 5’9” 176 lbs
4) (CB) Peter Ittersagen, Wheaton, 5’10” 190 lbs
5) (CB) Robert Haynes, Michigan Tech, 5’11” 192 lbs

The players in bold are those I think would be the most beneficial to the Texans.
I would be happy to answer any questions.

 

[steelbtexan]

You didn't bold anybody.

I like
1. Sidbury
2. S.L. Hill
3. C. Baker
4. J. Williams
5. D. Johnson (hometown guy)

 

[CoastalTexan]

Cameron Luke (WR) from Texas State is pretty good, take a look at him.

 

[rmartin65]

Cameron Luke (WR) from Texas State is pretty good, take a look at him.

If I made a top 15 list, Luke would make it. He puts up impressive stats, and until the pro days I had him top 10. But the reports on him are slower than I would have liked. Other guys simply have more upside.

 

[76Texan]

RM, what's your take on Sidbury?
I've seen him in the East-West game and also the FCS semi-final against Northern Iowa.
Would be interested in hearing your comments!

 

[badboy]

I'm not sure if you guys think of Clemson as a small school but I am liking Aaron Kelly WR 6'5" 204 lbs 38inch vertical and 4.49 combine speed. WHich means he may be even faster. He is on my board in 7th.

 

[76Texan]

I'm not sure if you guys think of Clemson as a small school but I am liking Aaron Kelly WR 6'5" 204 lbs 38inch vertical and 4.49 combine speed. WHich means he may be even faster. He is on my board in 7th.

Hmm, he's tall, how come I never noticed him in the two Clemson games I watched recently!?!

 

[rmartin65]

RM, what's your take on Sidbury?
I've seen him in the East-West game and also the FCS semi-final against Northern Iowa.
Would be interested in hearing your comments!

Sorry it took a while to respond, I had an astronomy final and then I drove home for Break.

Sidbury is a talent. I think he has the bulk to stay at DE, but it is still a little risky. For the Texans I would say third round,, but he might get picked in the mid second. He is real quick and has great arm length. I would not be surprised to see him get 7-9 sacks per year after a while.

 

[rmartin65]

I'm not sure if you guys think of Clemson as a small school but I am liking Aaron Kelly WR 6'5" 204 lbs 38inch vertical and 4.49 combine speed. WHich means he may be even faster. He is on my board in 7th.

Clemson is ACC, so not a small school guy. He has great measurables.

 

[76Texan]

Sorry it took a while to respond, I had an astronomy final and then I drove home for Break.

Sidbury is a talent. I think he has the bulk to stay at DE, but it is still a little risky. For the Texans I would say third round,, but he might get picked in the mid second. He is real quick and has great arm length. I would not be surprised to see him get 7-9 sacks per year after a while.

Sounds like about what I saw.
I don't know if we can afford a project in rd 2 or 3.
I will go back and watch him again, but I think he'll need to get down all the techniques before he can make a splash in the NFL.
It all depends on how fast and how much he can learn.

 

[LonerATO]

Sidbury is one of the main reasons Richmond beat Montana besides a heavy dose of Ward

 

[rmartin65]

Sounds like about what I saw.
I don't know if we can afford a project in rd 2 or 3.
I will go back and watch him again, but I think he'll need to get down all the techniques before he can make a splash in the NFL.
It all depends on how fast and how much he can learn.

Eh. 3rd round, I would grab him. He should be able to contribute on passing situations, its just being a 3 down player that could be a problem. He will get pressure on the QB.

 

[76Texan]

I do like his potential, but I think he will have problems with the big tall guys with long arms and there are quite a few of those in the NFL. Not quite sure how he handles the TE.

I will go back and watch him some more in both the semi and the final.

But, I think for the Texans, a 4th or 5th rounder might be available like Phillip Hunt or Orion Martin. If Sidburry is available in the 4th, they should consider him, JMO.

 

[76Texan]

Tyler Roehl and Domonique Johnson.
I haven't seen those guys yet.
What are the skinnies on them, guys?

 

[rmartin65]

I do like his potential, but I think he will have problems with the big tall guys with long arms and there are quite a few of those in the NFL. Not quite sure how he handles the TE.

I will go back and watch him some more in both the semi and the final.

But, I think for the Texans, a 4th or 5th rounder might be available like Phillip Hunt or Orion Martin. If Sidburry is available in the 4th, they should consider him, JMO.

He will not be there in the 4th. His kind of athleticism will assure that. Sidbury will be a project player, dont get me wrong. But he can contribute immediately. If the Texans want him, the 3rd round is the very latest. He might be gone by then.

Tyler Roehl and Domonique Johnson.
I haven't seen those guys yet.
What are the skinnies on them, guys?

I am not a Johnson fan. I was very high on him going into the season, and he had a very solid season (5 picks, 13 passes defensed), but I dont see it translating. He had the benefit of a good pass-rush. He is also not a great tackler, and will have problems covering really shifty guys. I guess a flyer in the 6th would not be too bad. There are better CB's in the draft though, especially if you want double value (Peter Ittersagen will be a UDFA, and he is a great punt returner).

Roehl is one of my favorites. He screams versatility. He has played both half back and fullback, and has very good hands. He is a team guy that will be a monster on special teams. I would take him in the 7th, but there is a strong chance he will be UDFA.

 

[76Texan]

He will not be there in the 4th. His kind of athleticism will assure that. Sidbury will be a project player, dont get me wrong. But he can contribute immediately. If the Texans want him, the 3rd round is the very latest. He might be gone by then.



I am not a Johnson fan. I was very high on him going into the season, and he had a very solid season (5 picks, 13 passes defensed), but I dont see it translating. He had the benefit of a good pass-rush. He is also not a great tackler, and will have problems covering really shifty guys. I guess a flyer in the 6th would not be too bad. There are better CB's in the draft though, especially if you want double value (Peter Ittersagen will be a UDFA, and he is a great punt returner).

Roehl is one of my favorites. He screams versatility. He has played both half back and fullback, and has very good hands. He is a team guy that will be a monster on special teams. I would take him in the 7th, but there is a strong chance he will be UDFA.

Does he run low to the ground?
His blocking?
Ball security?

 

[rmartin65]

Does he run low to the ground?
His blocking?
Ball security?

The man is a bowling ball. He runs very low, especially considering he is 5'10". He is a load to brink down. In the 6 games I have seen, he has not fumbled. He is an average blocker, better than RB's but not quite on par for a FB. That can be taught though, he does not have much experience there. I see a spot as the goal line back, 2nd string FB and 3rd string TE (great hands). Also like I said above, the kid will be a great special teamer. Everything I have seen indicates that he loves contact.

 

[badboy]

Hmm, he's tall, how come I never noticed him in the two Clemson games I watched recently!?!

I picked him up on my radar just before combine as a undrafted FA to look at and then he did the 40. Rubbed my eyes, said dammnn! and put him on my board at 7th. Walters has him at #17 WR and he struggled last year as did the entire team. He might be a project but late day 2? I'm all over him.http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009WR.php

 

[76Texan]

I picked him up on my radar just before combine as a undrafted FA to look at and then he did the 40. Rubbed my eyes, said dammnn! and put him on my board at 7th. Walters has him at #17 WR and he struggled last year as did the entire team. He might be a project but late day 2? I'm all over him.http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009WR.php

I still want to check out some more on their safeties, so I'll keep an eye for him.
Thanks!

 

[76Texan]

The man is a bowling ball. He runs very low, especially considering he is 5'10". He is a load to brink down. In the 6 games I have seen, he has not fumbled. He is an average blocker, better than RB's but not quite on par for a FB. That can be taught though, he does not have much experience there. I see a spot as the goal line back, 2nd string FB and 3rd string TE (great hands). Also like I said above, the kid will be a great special teamer. Everything I have seen indicates that he loves contact.

I wish there's some game tapes on him.
A little bit from youtube wasn't much.
He looks good, but seems to run a bit high, I guess that was just in open space.
I sure would like to see how he runs between tackles.
If he can move the pile a little, and can hit the hole faster than Dayne, then I'm all for it!

 

[rmartin65]

I wish there's some game tapes on him.
A little bit from youtube wasn't much.
He looks good, but seems to run a bit high, I guess that was just in open space.
I sure would like to see how he runs between tackles.
If he can move the pile a little, and can hit the hole faster than Dayne, then I'm all for it!

You are right there, he does get a little high in the open field. But in between the tackles, it looks that he stays low. And I was wrong, he did fumble as a junior against Minnesota (en route to 263 yards on 22 carries). It was his junior season, and what drew my attention to him.

Oh, and I thought this would be interesting, from the Texans own Dominique Barber: "They ran it down our throat," said Barber, who recovered Roehl's second-quarter fumble. "[Roehl] was probably one of the most physical backs I've ever seen."

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/11689656.html

 

[76Texan]

You are right there, he does get a little high in the open field. But in between the tackles, it looks that he stays low. And I was wrong, he did fumble as a junior against Minnesota (en route to 263 yards on 22 carries). It was his junior season, and what drew my attention to him.

Oh, and I thought this would be interesting, from the Texans own Dominique Barber: "They ran it down our throat," said Barber, who recovered Roehl's second-quarter fumble. "[Roehl] was probably one of the most physical backs I've ever seen."

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/11689656.html

I remember the Gophers' D wasn't very good.
But still, that's a lot of yardage there!

I will try to watch Sidburry in the FCS Final soon as I have the time.

 

[threetoedpete]

RM, what's your take on Sidbury?
I've seen him in the East-West game and also the FCS semi-final against Northern Iowa.
Would be interested in hearing your comments!

http://www.football.com/article/lawrence_sidbury.html

Used primarily as a hand in the dirt defensive end, Sidbury showed speed and quickness off the edge. His ability to employ multiple pass rush moves to successfully get to the quarterback were impressive. Richmond Head Coach Mike London believes that Sidbury's scouting combine times in the 40 yard dash proves he has the quickness needed to succeed at the next level. "If [NFL] teams were just looking at him as a 4-3 down guy, then he has opened the door for opportunity for teams looking at him as a stand-up guy. One of the things he has now at almost 270 pounds, running at 4.5, is a good first step and a chance to get off the edge as a 4-3 down guy," explains London.

FootballsFuture.com says, "He is a good athlete that looks the part of an NFL prospect. He is put together very well and has very long arms-35 3/8 inches. His natural gifts and pass rushing ability could allow him to play end in a 4-3, or linebacker in a 3-4."

any rep from the post should go to steelbtexan.

And my take is just becuase J.J. has struggled doesn't mean you completely give up on the small school guys....you never know when you're going to find the next Walter Payton, Elvan Bethea, or Davis Deacon Jones. Always roll the dice on the up side.

 

[76Texan]

I watched the game, and he looks really good. Long arm, good burst, a nice spin move to the inside that he used twice to get past the RT.

He looks to have the frame to add some muscles.
Still, I am concerned about the level of competition.
That, and the fact that he will be just a pass rushing specialist at the moment.

A mid-third is somebody you want to be able to start in a couple of years, until you are well-stocked at all the positions.

I wouldn't be upset if he was taken with our third, but I would rather have in the fourth, maybe a few spots ahead of where we are at.

A teammate of him, I see can be of use as an UDFA is Josh Vaughn, RB at 6'0 - 232lbs. He was behind Tim Hightower (Cardinals) before, and still had good numbers.

Guy runs low, puts his head down, absorbs contact and drives his legs. Secures the ball with both hands when possible. Good speed for a big guy.

Cheap compliment for Slaton here.

Agree, 3TP, we don't ignore small school prospects.

 

[rmartin65]

I watched the game, and he looks really good. Long arm, good burst, a nice spin move to the inside that he used twice to get past the RT.

He looks to have the frame to add some muscles.
Still, I am concerned about the level of competition.
That, and the fact that he will be just a pass rushing specialist at the moment.

A mid-third is somebody you want to be able to start in a couple of years, until you are well-stocked at all the positions.

I wouldn't be upset if he was taken with our third, but I would rather have in the fourth, maybe a few spots ahead of where we are at.

A teammate of him, I see can be of use as an UDFA is Josh Vaughn, RB at 6'0 - 232lbs. He was behind Tim Hightower (Cardinals) before, and still had good numbers.

Guy runs low, puts his head down, absorbs contact and drives his legs. Secures the ball with both hands when possible. Good speed for a big guy.

Cheap compliment for Slaton here.

Agree, 3TP, we don't ignore small school prospects.

I think he would start after this year, so he would meet that requirement.

I have Vaughn ranked 3rd on my list. He would be a good back for our team, good power and agility. I just worry about his hands and speed. And overall versatility (special teams, blocking).

 

[76Texan]

I think he would start after this year, so he would meet that requirement.

I have Vaughn ranked 3rd on my list. He would be a good back for our team, good power and agility. I just worry about his hands and speed. And overall versatility (special teams, blocking).

Sure, if you guarantee that he can start next yr then bring him in!

IMO, I saw a few things that may not work:
- He's used exclusively at LDE, where Mario looks most comfortable.
- He's used exclusively as a pash rusher or to get into the opponent backfield in hope of catching the RB behind the LOS.
- He still needs to work on how to chase after the play.
- We have no idea how he would adjust to the pro game, when he's asked to drop back or to contain his side.
- He looks to have some issues with long-armed tackles as I had mentioned at the Shriner game.

Vaughn looks strong enough, even though I don't see him being used as a blocker much. Better hands than Leach for sure. An UDFA who can get tough yards inside with good vision to bounce outside or cut back. Can't ask for much more than that!

 

[76Texan]

I don't see Jennings as much better than Vaughn.
It's hard to compare, but they seems be about the same to me.
For some reasons, I think I like Vaughn more.
(Of course, I only watch each guy in a couple of games, like Sidburry, so I probably don't have good enough ideas about them all!)

 

[CoastalTexan]

Here is something I came across about Texas State's pro day and the Texans.

http://smdrcatscradle.blogspot.com/2009/03/more-from-texas-state-pro-day.html


Eight scouts from NFL teams descended on Bobcat Stadium to take a look at Texas State's seniors from the past football season. The Atlanta Falcons, Philadelphia Eagles, Indianapolis Colts, Houston Texans, Oakland Raiders and New Orleans Saints all had representatives present.

Cameron Luke, Stan Zwinggi, Blake Burton, Morris Crosby, Courtney Smith, Michael Rutldege and Jamal Williams all audtioned for the scouts. They were put through the gym portion (standing long jump, bench press, vertical leap) first, followed by the field activities (40-yard dash, pro-agility drill and shuttles).

Luke measured in at 6-foot, 211 pounds, while Zwinggi was measured to be 5-foot-11, 201 pounds, 11 pounds heavier than his playing weight.

Burton topped the charts for bench press, with 25 reps of the 225 lb. weight, while Smith (23 reps) and Zwinggi (18) were close behind. Luke was able to do 17.

Zwinggi recorded one of the tallest vertical leaps, measuring in at 35.5", while Smith was 33.5" and Luke topped 32.5".

Luke, whose main knock was his speed, recorded a 4.57 for his 40-yard dash. Zwinggi, on the other hand, clocked a 4.40.

Scouts from the Texans and Raiders paid close attention to Zwinggi, while a representative from the Eagles spoke at length to Luke.

 

[rmartin65]

I do like Zwinggi. UDFA though, 4.4 at that weight was not as fast as I was hoping. Luke, eh, faster than I expected. He might crack top 10 small school receivers now, I have to redo my rankings after the pro days wrap up.

 

[bah007]

Here is something I came across about Texas State's pro day and the Texans.

http://smdrcatscradle.blogspot.com/2009/03/more-from-texas-state-pro-day.html


Eight scouts from NFL teams descended on Bobcat Stadium to take a look at Texas State's seniors from the past football season. The Atlanta Falcons, Philadelphia Eagles, Indianapolis Colts, Houston Texans, Oakland Raiders and New Orleans Saints all had representatives present.

Cameron Luke, Stan Zwinggi, Blake Burton, Morris Crosby, Courtney Smith, Michael Rutldege and Jamal Williams all audtioned for the scouts. They were put through the gym portion (standing long jump, bench press, vertical leap) first, followed by the field activities (40-yard dash, pro-agility drill and shuttles).

Luke measured in at 6-foot, 211 pounds, while Zwinggi was measured to be 5-foot-11, 201 pounds, 11 pounds heavier than his playing weight.

Burton topped the charts for bench press, with 25 reps of the 225 lb. weight, while Smith (23 reps) and Zwinggi (18) were close behind. Luke was able to do 17.

Zwinggi recorded one of the tallest vertical leaps, measuring in at 35.5", while Smith was 33.5" and Luke topped 32.5".

Luke, whose main knock was his speed, recorded a 4.57 for his 40-yard dash. Zwinggi, on the other hand, clocked a 4.40.

Scouts from the Texans and Raiders paid close attention to Zwinggi, while a representative from the Eagles spoke at length to Luke.

Cam Luke was the QB at my high school.

211 lbs and a 4.57? I think he'll get drafted. If not, he will definitely get picked up as a UDFA.

 

[WolverineFan]

If I made a top 15 list, Luke would make it. He puts up impressive stats, and until the pro days I had him top 10. But the reports on him are slower than I would have liked. Other guys simply have more upside.

I would be wary of Luke. He signed at Utah State as a QB/ATH, but they moved him to Safety so he left. Enrolled at Texas State and has been pretty darn good as a WR.

He's got good size, good build, great hops, and he can book it. Very raw as a WR having only played it for 2 years, but I think he has a ton of potential. Would not be upset at all if the Texans took a flyer at him late in the draft.

 

[rmartin65]

North Dakota State had their pro day today. I do not have all the numbers, but Roehl put up 30 reps and an 8'10" broad jump.

 

[rmartin65]

Ok, I dont know where to put Roehl now.
He ran a 4.44 forty
Benched 225 30 times
Supposedly caught every ball in the receiving drills
And supposedly looked "very powerful" in the L-Drill (whatever the Hell that is)

Past two seasons stats:
2008:
171 attempts, 1053 yards (6.2 average), 13 TD
13 Receptions, 101 yards (7.8 average)

2007:
207 attempts, 1431 yards (6.9 average), 21 TD
20 receptions, 180 yards (9.0 average)

So he has legit RB speed, RB stats, yet benched 30 times and displayed great hands. Add in that he is a football player (loves contact, plays special teams), and I want this guy.

 

[76Texan]

Ok, I dont know where to put Roehl now.
He ran a 4.44 forty
Benched 225 30 times
Supposedly caught every ball in the receiving drills
And supposedly looked "very powerful" in the L-Drill (whatever the Hell that is)

Past two seasons stats:
2008:
171 attempts, 1053 yards (6.2 average), 13 TD
13 Receptions, 101 yards (7.8 average)

2007:
207 attempts, 1431 yards (6.9 average), 21 TD
20 receptions, 180 yards (9.0 average)

So he has legit RB speed, RB stats, yet benched 30 times and displayed great hands. Add in that he is a football player (loves contact, plays special teams), and I want this guy.

Pretty impressive numbers, I'd say!

L-drill = 3-cone drill

Sounds like there are lotsa good 2nd back out there.

 

[El Tejano]

All I'm going to say is Jordan Scott, RB, Colgate.

 

[rmartin65]

Pretty impressive numbers, I'd say!

L-drill = 3-cone drill

Sounds like there are lotsa good 2nd back out there.

How the hell does someone look powerful in an agility drill?

All I'm going to say is Jordan Scott, RB, Colgate.

Ha ha, he was on my top 10 list a couple months ago. A "meh" season, and an amazing 4.82 40 at 5'10" 200 lbs, he would be lucky to hit top 15. Solid player at his level, does not have the athleticism required to make the jump to the NFL.

 

[steelbtexan]

I dont care if a guy comes from a small school. It's all about god given ability & work ethic to me. If a guy has ability it's the coaches job to coach him up.

It really comes down to work ethic. JJ likes the NFL lifestyle too much & unless he shows marked improvement he's going to get cut.

I wouldn't let JJ scare me off of small school guys. The Texans must feel the same way because they drafted Molden last year.

From what I've read Roehl & Sidbury appear to have good worth ethics. If the Texans believe Sidbury is wort a 2nd rd & is worth a 4th rd pick I wouldn't have a problem with Smithiak taking them. Even if the experts disagree because they played at a small school. I care more about ability than what school some guy played for, the exception to this rule is QB's.

 

[76Texan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh-6SSsev-8

Grand Valley State
Dan Skuta is 6'3"-265lbs and dominated at the D2 level. He is GVSU's all-time sack leader with something like 35 sacks but he doesn't just line-up at DE, they moved him around from OLB to DE and also plays some DT ... sometimes all 3 positions in the same game. He catches the ball like a TE (which might be a possible position for him as well) and some of the scouts pulled Skuta aside to have their own individual workout where he was doing some back-pedaling excercises and he was also showing that he can be a long-snapper. I think he projects to be an 3-4 OLB but I think he might even projects as a DE on passing downs.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=73079&draftyear=2009&genpos=OLB
Skuta weighs in at 249 lbs for his pro day.
35" vert, 20 press, runs a 4.62-40, 4.26 short shuttle, 6.84 3-cone, 11.66 long shuttle.
Drop only 1 out 50 passes thrown at him, showing great understanding of the drills and great lateral quickness, at times looking like a DB. (All times are unofficial.)

Watching the youtube video, if he was playing at 265 lbs, the guy must have a lot of quickness.

 

[El Tejano]

Ha ha, he was on my top 10 list a couple months ago. A "meh" season, and an amazing 4.82 40 at 5'10" 200 lbs, he would be lucky to hit top 15. Solid player at his level, does not have the athleticism required to make the jump to the NFL.

So you've heard of him? I see that my quest to get Jordan Scott on an NFL team and put Colgate on the map is succeeding. Mmwwaaahahaha!!
Pencil Neck and I are on the bandwagon. I know you fell off but there is still time for you to jump on!!!!!!

 

[rmartin65]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh-6SSsev-8

Grand Valley State
Dan Skuta is 6'3"-265lbs and dominated at the D2 level. He is GVSU's all-time sack leader with something like 35 sacks but he doesn't just line-up at DE, they moved him around from OLB to DE and also plays some DT ... sometimes all 3 positions in the same game. He catches the ball like a TE (which might be a possible position for him as well) and some of the scouts pulled Skuta aside to have their own individual workout where he was doing some back-pedaling excercises and he was also showing that he can be a long-snapper. I think he projects to be an 3-4 OLB but I think he might even projects as a DE on passing downs.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=73079&draftyear=2009&genpos=OLB
Skuta weighs in at 249 lbs for his pro day.
35" vert, 20 press, runs a 4.62-40, 4.26 short shuttle, 6.84 3-cone, 11.66 long shuttle.
Drop only 1 out 50 passes thrown at him, showing great understanding of the drills and great lateral quickness, at times looking like a DB. (All times are unofficial.)

Watching the youtube video, if he was playing at 265 lbs, the guy must have a lot of quickness.

I was really torn on him. Great stats, great numbers, looks good in games. I just dont know, I almost put him at the 5th linebacker spot. I have a bad feeling, I cant explain.

So you've heard of him? I see that my quest to get Jordan Scott on an NFL team and put Colgate on the map is succeeding. Mmwwaaahahaha!!
Pencil Neck and I are on the bandwagon. I know you fell off but there is still time for you to jump on!!!!!!

Ha ha, I think I am off for good. I would be surprised if he got a camp tryout from anyone.

 

[76Texan]

What about that Lee Robinson guy? Anybody seen him play?

http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/dgtv_1/lee_robinson_video/

And here's Sebastian Vollmer

http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/dgtv_1/sebastian_vollmer_-_ot_-_houston/

Others:
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/dgtv_all/

 

[rmartin65]

What about that Lee Robinson guy? Anybody seen him play?

http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/dgtv_1/lee_robinson_video/

And here's Sebastian Vollmer

http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/dgtv_1/sebastian_vollmer_-_ot_-_houston/

Others:
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/dgtv_all/

Informative site. Vollmer is Houston, so not small school.

Robinson is an interesting player, I am starting to warm up to him. My next rankings will have him as the 2nd best OLB, behind Jason Williams and ahead of Willie Williams. He is really athletic, but can struggle in space. That said, he is a monster, 250 pounds and can run well. He would be nice depth, as he looks like he can play the middle as well.

 

[rmartin65]

Ok, so I have my rankings after most of the pro days. I think this is pretty much final, maybe a few more changes. Heights and weights are off of NFL Draft Scout

QB
1) Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston State, 6’2” 225 lbs
2) Jason Boltus, Hartick, 6’3” 225 lbs
3) Mike Reilly, Central Washington, 6’3” 214 lbs
4) Nathan Brown, Central Arkansas, 6’1” 219 lbs
5) Brock Smith, Liberty, 6’2” 242 lbs

RB
1) Rashad Jennings, Liberty, 6’1” 231 lbs
2) Josh Vaughn, Richmond, 6’ 234 lbs
3) Tyler Roehl, North Dakota State, 5’10” 232 lbs
4) Javarris Williams, Tennessee State, 5’10” 223 lbs
5) Stan Zwinggi, Texas State, 5'10" 200 lbs

FB
1) Marcus Mailei, Weber State, 6’ 248 lbs
2) Marquez Branson, Central Arkansas, 6’2” 247 lbs
3) John Crone, Richmond, 5’11” 242 lbs
4) Greg Fountain, Campbellsville, 6’ 232 lbs
5) Colin Cloherty, Brown, 6’2” 245 lbs

WR
1) Ramses Barden, Cal Poly, 6’6” 229 lbs
2) Johnny Knox, Abilene Christian, 6’ 185 lbs
3) Dudley Guice, Northwestern State, 6’2” 209 lbs
4) Domonique Edison, Stephen F. Austin, 6’2” 204 lbs
5) Jon Davis, Azusa Pacific, 6’3” 205 lbs

TE
1) Zach Miller, Nebraska Omaha, 6’4” 233 lbs
2) Jared Bronson, Central Washington, 6’4” 253 lbs
3) John Nalbone, Monmouth, 6’4” 258 lbs
4) Robbie Angone, Delaware, 6’6” 258 lbs
5) J’Nathan Bullock, Cleveland State, 6’4” 245 lbs

OT
1) Joel Bell, Furman, 6’7” 315 lbs
2) Cornelius Lewis, Tennessee State, 6’4” 332 lbs
3) Nick Hennessey, Colgate, 6’6” 291 lbs
4) Sam Allen, Grand Valley State, 6’5” 296 lbs
5) Kyle Link, McNeese State, 6’6” 305 lbs

OG
1) Roger Allen, Missouri Western, 6’3” 326 lbs
2) Louis West, Henderson State, 6’7” 378 lbs
3) Tim Henderson, Northwestern State, 6’3” 326 lbs
4) Jonathan Compas, UC Davis, 6’2” 298 lbs
5) William Giles, Tennessee Chattanooga, 6’4” 290 lbs

OC
1) Cecil Newton, Tennessee State, 6’2” 294 lbs
2) Colin Dow, Montana, 6’5” 305 lbs
3) Lawrence Lovell, Stony Brook, 6’3” 295 lbs
4) Tommy Crowley, West Texas A&M, 6’4” 293 lbs
5) Brad Samsa, Youngstown State, 6’3” 285 lbs

DE
1) Lawrence Sidbury Jr., Richmond, 6’3” 266 lbs
2) Pierre Walters, Eastern Illinois, 6’4” 269 lbs
3) Greg Peach, Eastern Washington, 6’2” 252 lbs
4) Ryan Kees, St. Cloud State, 6’5” 276 lbs
5) Desmond Bryant, Harvard, 6’6” 288 lbs

DT
1) Sammie Lee Hill, Stillman, 6’4” 329 lbs
2) Everette Pendescleaux, Northern Iowa, 6’6” 305 lbs
3) Chris Baker, Hampton, 6’2” 326 lbs
4) Vaughn Martin, Western Ontario, 6’3” 331 lbs
5) John Faletoese, Cal Davis, 6’2” 285 lbs

OLB
1) Jason Williams, Western Illinois, 6’1” 241 lbs
2) Willie Williams, Union, 6’3” 228 lbs
3) Lee Robinson, Alcorn State, 6’2” 249 lbs
4) Jovan Belcher, Maine, 6’2” 229 lbs
5) Dan Skuta, Grand Valley State, 6’3” 249 lbs

ILB
1) Tom Korte, Hillsdale, 5’11” 236 lbs
2) Andy Schantz, Portland State, 6’1” 234 lbs
3) Cyrus Mulitalo, Sacramento State, 5’11” 244 lbs
4) Ryan Phipps, Idaho State, 6’ 228 lbs
5) Owen Koeppen, Carroll, 6’1” 232 lbs

CB
1) Gregory Toler, St. Pauls, 5’11” 185 lbs
2) Ladarius Webb, Nicholls State, 5’10” 179 lbs
3) Don Carey, Norfolk State, 5’11” 192 lbs
4) Domonique Johnson, Jackson State, 6’2” 198 lbs
5) William Middleton, Furman, 5’10” 193 lbs

FS
1) Colt Anderson, Montana, 5’10” 194 lbs
2) Javorris Jackson, Savannah State, 6’4” 216 lbs
3) Dre’Mail Hardin, Stillman, 6’ 195 lbs
4) Tom Nelson, Illinois State, 5’11” 196 lbs
5) Nick Schommer, North Dakota State, 6’ 201 lbs

SS
1) Andy Romans, Lafayette, 5’10” 218 lbs
2) Allen Nelson, McNeese State, 6’1” 210 lbs
3) Chauncey Calhoun, Valley City State, 6’1” 204 lbs
4) Jim Johnson, Minnesota Duluth, 6’2” 216 lbs
5) Brandon Gathof, Eastern Kentucky, 6’2” 205 lbs

Return Specialists
1) Larry Beavers, Wesley, 5’10” 167 lbs
2) Kevin Teel, Hampton, 5’8” 158 lbs
3) Jeremy Gilchrist, Hampton, 5’9” 176 lbs
4) Robert Haynes, Michigan Tech, 5’11” 192 lbs
5) Peter Ittersagen, Wheaton, 5’10” 190 lbs

 

[bah007]

Ok, so I have my rankings after most of the pro days. I think this is pretty much final, maybe a few more changes. Heights and weights are off of NFL Draft Scout

QB
1) Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston State, 6’2” 225 lbs
2) Jason Boltus, Hartick, 6’3” 225 lbs
3) Mike Reilly, Central Washington, 6’3” 214 lbs
4) Nathan Brown, Central Arkansas, 6’1” 219 lbs
5) Brock Smith, Liberty, 6’2” 242 lbs

RB
1) Rashad Jennings, Liberty, 6’1” 231 lbs
2) Josh Vaughn, Richmond, 6’ 234 lbs
3) Tyler Roehl, North Dakota State, 5’10” 232 lbs
4) Javarris Williams, Tennessee State, 5’10” 223 lbs
5) Stan Zwinggi, Texas State, 5'10" 200 lbs

FB
1) Marcus Mailei, Weber State, 6’ 248 lbs
2) Marquez Branson, Central Arkansas, 6’2” 247 lbs
3) John Crone, Richmond, 5’11” 242 lbs
4) Greg Fountain, Campbellsville, 6’ 232 lbs
5) Colin Cloherty, Brown, 6’2” 245 lbs

WR
1) Ramses Barden, Cal Poly, 6’6” 229 lbs
2) Johnny Knox, Abilene Christian, 6’ 185 lbs
3) Dudley Guice, Northwestern State, 6’2” 209 lbs
4) Domonique Edison, Stephen F. Austin, 6’2” 204 lbs
5) Jon Davis, Azusa Pacific, 6’3” 205 lbs

TE
1) Zach Miller, Nebraska Omaha, 6’4” 233 lbs
2) Jared Bronson, Central Washington, 6’4” 253 lbs
3) John Nalbone, Monmouth, 6’4” 258 lbs
4) Robbie Angone, Delaware, 6’6” 258 lbs
5) J’Nathan Bullock, Cleveland State, 6’4” 245 lbs

OT
1) Joel Bell, Furman, 6’7” 315 lbs
2) Cornelius Lewis, Tennessee State, 6’4” 332 lbs
3) Nick Hennessey, Colgate, 6’6” 291 lbs
4) Sam Allen, Grand Valley State, 6’5” 296 lbs
5) Kyle Link, McNeese State, 6’6” 305 lbs

OG
1) Roger Allen, Missouri Western, 6’3” 326 lbs
2) Louis West, Henderson State, 6’7” 378 lbs
3) Tim Henderson, Northwestern State, 6’3” 326 lbs
4) Jonathan Compas, UC Davis, 6’2” 298 lbs
5) William Giles, Tennessee Chattanooga, 6’4” 290 lbs

OC
1) Cecil Newton, Tennessee State, 6’2” 294 lbs
2) Colin Dow, Montana, 6’5” 305 lbs
3) Lawrence Lovell, Stony Brook, 6’3” 295 lbs
4) Tommy Crowley, West Texas A&M, 6’4” 293 lbs
5) Brad Samsa, Youngstown State, 6’3” 285 lbs

DE
1) Lawrence Sidbury Jr., Richmond, 6’3” 266 lbs
2) Pierre Walters, Eastern Illinois, 6’4” 269 lbs
3) Greg Peach, Eastern Washington, 6’2” 252 lbs
4) Ryan Kees, St. Cloud State, 6’5” 276 lbs
5) Desmond Bryant, Harvard, 6’6” 288 lbs

DT
1) Sammie Lee Hill, Stillman, 6’4” 329 lbs
2) Everette Pendescleaux, Northern Iowa, 6’6” 305 lbs
3) Chris Baker, Hampton, 6’2” 326 lbs
4) Vaughn Martin, Western Ontario, 6’3” 331 lbs
5) John Faletoese, Cal Davis, 6’2” 285 lbs

OLB
1) Jason Williams, Western Illinois, 6’1” 241 lbs
2) Willie Williams, Union, 6’3” 228 lbs
3) Lee Robinson, Alcorn State, 6’2” 249 lbs
4) Jovan Belcher, Maine, 6’2” 229 lbs
5) Dan Skuta, Grand Valley State, 6’3” 249 lbs

ILB
1) Tom Korte, Hillsdale, 5’11” 236 lbs
2) Andy Schantz, Portland State, 6’1” 234 lbs
3) Cyrus Mulitalo, Sacramento State, 5’11” 244 lbs
4) Ryan Phipps, Idaho State, 6’ 228 lbs
5) Owen Koeppen, Carroll, 6’1” 232 lbs

CB
1) Gregory Toler, St. Pauls, 5’11” 185 lbs
2) Ladarius Webb, Nicholls State, 5’10” 179 lbs
3) Don Carey, Norfolk State, 5’11” 192 lbs
4) Domonique Johnson, Jackson State, 6’2” 198 lbs
5) William Middleton, Furman, 5’10” 193 lbs

FS
1) Colt Anderson, Montana, 5’10” 194 lbs
2) Javorris Jackson, Savannah State, 6’4” 216 lbs
3) Dre’Mail Hardin, Stillman, 6’ 195 lbs
4) Tom Nelson, Illinois State, 5’11” 196 lbs
5) Nick Schommer, North Dakota State, 6’ 201 lbs

SS
1) Andy Romans, Lafayette, 5’10” 218 lbs
2) Allen Nelson, McNeese State, 6’1” 210 lbs
3) Chauncey Calhoun, Valley City State, 6’1” 204 lbs
4) Jim Johnson, Minnesota Duluth, 6’2” 216 lbs
5) Brandon Gathof, Eastern Kentucky, 6’2” 205 lbs

Return Specialists
1) Larry Beavers, Wesley, 5’10” 167 lbs
2) Kevin Teel, Hampton, 5’8” 158 lbs
3) Jeremy Gilchrist, Hampton, 5’9” 176 lbs
4) Robert Haynes, Michigan Tech, 5’11” 192 lbs
5) Peter Ittersagen, Wheaton, 5’10” 190 lbs

That's a really good list.

I would have also liked to see Chris Pizzotti, QB, Harvard. Not exactly a small school but how many Harvard guys get drafted?

I also like Cameron Luke, WR, Texas St. Kind of a homer pick by me because I know him but he has the size and athleticism to succeed in the NFL.

 

[rmartin65]

That's a really good list.

I would have also liked to see Chris Pizzotti, QB, Harvard. Not exactly a small school but how many Harvard guys get drafted?

I also like Cameron Luke, WR, Texas St. Kind of a homer pick by me because I know him but he has the size and athleticism to succeed in the NFL.

I have Pizzoti ranked, just not top 5. Harvard is FCS, so it counts as small school.

Alot of guys like Luke, but I just dont see it. Good size, good numbers and athleticism, but I just dont get a good feeling about him. I always hope I am wrong in situations like this though.

 

[TimeKiller]

I'd like to see Rhett Bomar in a Texans uniform with a few years to grow under Schaub with Kubiak teaching him the ropes but I doubt they give up anything higher than a 6th for him.

 

[Battle Red Flash]

Dang! Very good research.

 

[76Texan]

Jason Williams, Western Illinois, 6’1” 241 lbs

What can you tell about the guy, rrmartin?
I heard he did good in the Shriner game.
I need to go back and look at it.

 

[rmartin65]

Jason Williams, Western Illinois, 6’1” 241 lbs

What can you tell about the guy, rrmartin?
I heard he did good in the Shriner game.
I need to go back and look at it.

I would look at him with our first pick in the 4th. Great athleticism, has been consistently clocked in the 4.4's. He is strong, I think 26 bench presses, and posses great explosion (39" vertical). He had a slight down year in terms of production, but still had 17 TFL's. My only real concern with him is that he over-pursues, and he gets away with it because of his superior abilities. He wont get away with that in the pros.

He tore up the shrine game. He was, in my opinion, a top 3 defensive performer in that game. Maybe even number one.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

He probably doesn't fit our system but it's a nice read .

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1662025