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2009 Member Mock (Second) Rounds 1-3

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Peria Jerry plays the same type of DT as Amobi Okoye. We don't need another Amobi - we need a true,wide-bodied NT. Trouble is - there's nobody worth the 15th pick who fits the mold.
 
Shaft75 said:
*crickets*
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Eh, he's the guy that most mocks have us taking, so it doesn't really inspire a ton of discussion.

That doesn't mean it's a bad pick at all - I'd rather everyone pick who they think is best for their team rather than think they have to be a contrarian for the sake of picking someone different.

Personally - I like Matthews over Cushing, but I can't knock the Cushing pick.
 
WolverineFan said:
It's a tought spot. In the real draft the Texans are in the exact position that most teams want to trade out of. Can't trade in the mock though so might as well go BPA and take the heat for it afterward.
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You know I was messing with him, right?
 
DiehardChris said:
Personally - I like Matthews over Cushing, but I can't knock the Cushing pick.
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Tell me why though? I looked at the film and combine numbers and just didn't see why Matthews would be picked before Cushing.

BTW - when I say "film", I mean youtube highlights!
 
Shaft75 said:
Tell me why though? I looked at the film and combine numbers and just didn't see why Matthews would be picked before Cushing.
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I didn't say he would be. I'm talking about personal preference.

Far as I'm concerned, they're fairly even. The tiebreaker for me is that Cushing is talented, has the experience, and is a total pretty boy. Clay is hard-nosed, has an incredible work ethic, and has a nasty on-field demeanor, but doesn't have as much starting experience.

It's not so much that I don't like Cushing as much as I just like Matthews more.

BTW - when I say "film", I mean youtube highlights!
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Yeah - and that's a very, VERY important distinction. You can't tell diddley **** from youtube highlights.
 
DiehardChris said:
I didn't say he would be. I'm talking about personal preference.

Far as I'm concerned, they're fairly even. The tiebreaker for me is that Cushing is talented, has the experience, and is a total pretty boy. Clay is hard-nosed, has an incredible work ethic, and has a nasty on-field demeanor, but doesn't have as much starting experience.

It's not so much that I don't like Cushing as much as I just like Matthews more.



Yeah - and that's a very, VERY important distinction. You can't tell diddley **** from youtube highlights.
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Cushing has an incredible work ethic, is hard-nosed and has been a starter since his freshman year. Are you sure it's not the last name? :chickendance:
 
Shaft75 said:
Cushing has an incredible work ethic, is hard-nosed and has been a starter since his freshman year. Are you sure it's not the last name? :chickendance:
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No, the last name has nothing to do with it. I'm not infatuated with Matthews or anything - and it has nothing to do with his uncle.

I just simply like him better than Cushing.

...and I don't like pretty boys, generally. Again - just personal preference. I never criticized your pick.
 
DiehardChris said:
No, the last name has nothing to do with it. I'm not infatuated with Matthews or anything - and it has nothing to do with his uncle.

I just simply like him better than Cushing.

...and I don't like pretty boys, generally. Again - just personal preference. I never criticized your pick.
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I was joking dude and I don't like pretty boys either. The guy is tough though. I think both Matthews and Cushing need to cut their hair.

Don't really care for yank jersey boys either, but saw through it.
 
Shaft75 said:
I was joking dude and I don't like pretty boys either. The guy is tough though. I think both Matthews and Cushing need to cut their hair.

Don't really care for yank jersey boys either, but saw through it.
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Oh, dude, I didn't take any of that the wrong way, don't get me wrong.

You were in a tough spot, and I think you took the smartest pick - at least positionally. If you had taken a WR or RB, you would have deservedly taken some, but there's not a lot of bad people can say about you taking Cushing.

One thing I really do like about him is that he's taken the steroid accusations head on. He's never ducked the question, and he's been adamant about denying it and talking to people at length about his physical regimen.

So, I like that. At this early point, still more than a month away, I wouldn't be pissed at all if we got Cushing.
 
Man I wanted Malcolm Jenkins though. We need some playmakers in our secondary, along with some depth. His versatiliy could have made this draft a lot easier too.
 
Shaft75 said:
Tell me why though? I looked at the film and combine numbers and just didn't see why Matthews would be picked before Cushing.

BTW - when I say "film", I mean youtube highlights!
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Hey, Cushing has more than enough physical tools needed to be a badass LB. There's just something about him that scares the crap out of me.

IMO, you had a choice of grabbing Cushing and hope his physique and film can translate to the NFL or reach.
 
Oh, I don't know how I left this out - but Cushing has had some persistent leg injury issues. Matthews has never had injury problems and has been very durable - of course, part of that is because he only started full time as a senior.
 
DiehardChris said:
Peria Jerry plays the same type of DT as Amobi Okoye. We don't need another Amobi - we need a true,wide-bodied NT. Trouble is - there's nobody worth the 15th pick who fits the mold.
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What makes you think a "wide bobied NT" is in our plans? I keep hearing this here but to this day have never heard Smith, Kubiak or Kollier (sp?) say they want or need a "wide bodied NT". From what I have gathered they want DL that can penetrait and disrupt plays in the backfield.


Also put me down as pro Mathews. I dont know what it is about Cushing but I just dont like the guy. I mean as a player, I dont care what he looks like.
 
mussop said:
What makes you think a "wide bobied NT" is in our plans? I keep hearing this here but to this day have never heard Smith, Kubiak or Kollier (sp?) say they want or need a "wide bodied NT". From what I have gathered they want DL that can penetrait and disrupt plays in the backfield.


Also put me down as pro Mathews. I dont know what it is about Cushing but I just dont like the guy. I mean as a player, I dont care what he looks like.
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I've never seen them say it. I don't know that it's in our plans. I just think it's something we need. A big guy who can command two blockers and be a run-stuffer.
 
DiehardChris said:
I've never seen them say it. I don't know that it's in our plans. I just think it's something we need. A big guy who can command two blockers and be a run-stuffer.
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I agree with it I just dont think our team does. Its kind of like the S situation. We all want a ballhawking FS but doesnt seem to be in the teams plans. That is why I wouldnt be stunned to see them take a player like Peria.
 
mussop said:
I agree with it I just dont think our team does. Its kind of like the S situation. We all want a ballhawking FS but doesnt seem to be in the teams plans. That is why I wouldnt be stunned to see them take a player like Peria.
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Yeah, it baffles me why they don't think top talent is needed at the safety position. The team has never drafted a safety higher than the 4th round, and then the coaches wonder why the safety play is usually terrible, and average at best.

That second round pick is going to be very, very interesting. The first pick is too - but that pick at 46 is just so wide, wide open.
 
mussop said:
I agree with it I just dont think our team does. Its kind of like the S situation. We all want a ballhawking FS but doesnt seem to be in the teams plans. That is why I wouldnt be stunned to see them take a player like Peria.
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Peria's not a bad pickup, he's very disruptive. I just think we need a one gap dt. I haven't heard the coaches say it though. We need a big, fat, nasty run stuffer.

Change of subject: What do y'all think about Larry English?
 
Shaft75 said:
Peria's not a bad pickup, he's very disruptive. I just think we need a one gap dt. I haven't heard the coaches say it though. We need a big, fat, nasty run stuffer.

Change of subject: What do y'all think about Larry English?
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I was actually going to add him to the list of DE possibilities when he weighed in at the Combine at 274 - then they said that was a mistake, and he's actually still in the 250s... the official NFL.com Combine page still hast the 274 weight though.
 
the delayed reaction (Cushing pick) I find interesting as the process continues forward, afterall this means Cushing will not be the pick cause by the time draft day comes we'll have tasted several flavors of the coming weeks. But at this point in time its a worthy pick, nice job :shades:
 
beerlover said:
the delayed reaction (Cushing pick) I find interesting as the process continues forward, afterall this means Cushing will not be the pick cause by the time draft day comes we'll have tasted several flavors of the coming weeks. But at this point in time its a worthy pick, nice job :shades:
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Gracias. It was a tough one. I still keep wondering if Jerry was the pick. But I think Cushing will work out.
 
Shaft75 said:
Maclin is a great wr and all but wr isn't a pressing need. We also have a lot of money tied up at the position. The defense needs to get way more physical. The only way as of now is through the draft.
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Need Shmeed, if we couldn't trade out of that situation I take the best player available.

At worst, he solidifies the third WR.
At best, he moves Walter into the slot (HELLOBABY)
Middle ground, he becomes the Reggie Wayne to our Marvin Harrison (although AJ isn't that old yet).

A year after we draft him we can pretty much run any play out of the 3WR 1TE 1 HB set.
 
Its been 17 hours since the last pick. Who do we want to give the Chargers? They are very random IMO.

They could go Wells at RB since LT is going downhill.
I could see them taking a WR (Maclin or Harvin), and they have a slight need at CB with Vontae Davis.

From draft coutdown

San Diego Chargers
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1. Offensive Line: Right guard Mike Goff is 33-years-old and a free agent and, even though he's solid, they could probably find an upgrade for former sixth rounder Jeromey Clary at right tackle. 2. Defensive End: Igor Olshansky is a free agent and it doesn't look like the team is going to make much of an effort to re-sign him so they will have to bring in some reinforcements and depth. 3. Inside Linebacker: Despite bringing in the likes of Stephen Cooper, Matt Wilhelm, Tim Dobbins and Brandon Siler in recent years they lack the stud inside to team with Merriman and Phillips.
 
1.) Detroit Lions Select: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia

2.) St. Louis Rams Select: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor

3.) Kansas City Chiefs Select: Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest

4.) Seattle Seahawks Select: Eugene Monroe, OT, Virgina

5.) Cleveland Browns Select: Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas

6.) Cincinnati Bengals Select: Andre Smith, OT, Alabama

7.) Oakland Raiders Select: B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College

8.) Jacksonville Jaguars Select: Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss

9.) Green Bay Packers Select: Tyson Jackson, DE, L.S.U.

10.) San Francisco 49ers Select: Everette Brown, DE/OLB, Florida State

11.) Buffalo Bills Select: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech

12.) Denver Broncos Select: Rey Maualuga, LB, U.S.C.

13.) Washington Redskins Select: William Beatty, OT, Connecticut

14.) New Orleans Saints Select: Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State

15.) Houston Texans Select: Brian Cushing, LB, U.S.C.

16.) San Diego Chargers Select: Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia

the two obvious choices would be Tyson Jackson, LDE & Rey Maualuga, ILB however both are taken. best player available w/RB need in mind.
 
They do have Cason and Cromartie at CB, but Im not sure what the status is on Cromartie. I think they said they will not trade him.

Wells or Moreno would be ok picks for them.

Laurinaitis at ILB is a huge need.

There is no DE pick here, but what about an OLB like Maybin or English?
 
Super Mario said:
They do have Cason and Cromartie at CB, but Im not sure what the status is on Cromartie. I think they said they will not trade him.

Wells or Moreno would be ok picks for them.

Laurinaitis at ILB is a huge need.

There is no DE pick here, but what about an OLB like Maybin or English?
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What about Dirty Sanchez???
 
The San Diego Chargers Select:

Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia

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Super Mario said:
They do have Cason and Cromartie at CB, but Im not sure what the status is on Cromartie. I think they said they will not trade him.

Wells or Moreno would be ok picks for them.

Laurinaitis at ILB is a huge need.

There is no DE pick here, but what about an OLB like Maybin or English?
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Englsih/Maybin would play same position as Merriman. Shaun Phillips plays the other OLB position. both too small to play on line in 3-4. Laurinaitis would fit nicely inside but I would take Moreno 9 times out of 10 over James. Wells I would not touch in the 1st rd. reminds me of Lendale White who went in 2nd.
 
Brandon420tx said:
Need Shmeed, if we couldn't trade out of that situation I take the best player available.

At worst, he solidifies the third WR.
At best, he moves Walter into the slot (HELLOBABY)
Middle ground, he becomes the Reggie Wayne to our Marvin Harrison (although AJ isn't that old yet).

A year after we draft him we can pretty much run any play out of the 3WR 1TE 1 HB set.
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The run & shoot was done when the Oilers took off to TN man. Let it go! Defense is our need, why avoid it?(like we did LT all those drafts) You sound like an offensive coordinator.
 
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