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Benson visiting Texans/signs with Bengals

TEXANRED said:
You guys are killing me.

You don't sit the higher paid player. You play him.

Greenwood and Weaver both began the year as starters b/c of there salary. Why else would you explain cutting them? What does it hurt to bring them back to camp for at least camp bodies and compete for a starting spot? Diles and Xavier are cheaper and younger and are going to start in front of Greenwood.

Just like Cochran and Bulman would of started in front of Weaver.

With the exception of VY being the highest paid 3rd string in history, what QB that is penciled in as the starter at the begining of the year has there back up making more than them?

And Bennett, is not going to begin the year as a starting CB.
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What about Kurt Warner and Matt Leinart?
 
I just can't get behind signing Benson, mainly because his YPC scares me like it scared me with Ron Dayne. Both only shined while playing against the worst run defenses around. This article definitely helped me figure out a bit why I don't want to sign him.

The business side here might be better than the business side in Cincinnati,” Benson said about contract negotiations.
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Translation: I don't care if I'm the #1 RB or if I'm a 3rd down RB, as long as I get paid like a starter. It scares me when players are more determined by money than anything else because it ties in to motivation.

I think I proved that I’m the player everybody thought I could be
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He averaged his second lowest career total, had 73 more yards then his previous career best (which is still mediocre by NFL standards), had his second lowest TD total, and 2 of his 3 100 yard games were against 2 of the 5 worst rushing defenses. If he thinks mediocrity is what the 4th overall pick in the draft was supposed to be, then he needs to re-evaluate his goals and standards.

Chicago fans asked me what was the difference? I told them it was simple: They gave me the football.
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18 more carries than his last season in Chicago. He got more carries towards the end for Cincy, but Chicago distributed his carries more evenly. I can't see anything different between Cincy and Chicago other than the expectations for him were severly lowered in Cincy. With raised expectations, I'm scared to if he underperforms again.
 
TEXANRED said:
You guys are killing me.

You don't sit the higher paid player. You play him.

Greenwood and Weaver both began the year as starters b/c of there salary. Why else would you explain cutting them? What does it hurt to bring them back to camp for at least camp bodies and compete for a starting spot? Diles and Xavier are cheaper and younger and are going to start in front of Greenwood.

Just like Cochran and Bulman would of started in front of Weaver.

With the exception of VY being the highest paid 3rd string in history, what QB that is penciled in as the starter at the begining of the year has there back up making more than them?

And Bennett, is not going to begin the year as a starting CB.
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Selected RB Base Salaries in 2008:

Chicago Bears:
Adrian Peterson - $605,000
Matt Forte (Opening Day Starter) - $295,000

Denver Broncos:
Michael Pittman - $830,000
Selvin Young (Opening Day Starter) - $370,000

Tampa Bay Buccaneers:
Warrick Dunn - $3,000,000
Cadillac Williams - $2,157,250
Earnest Graham (Opening Day Starter) - $1,500,000

Detroit Lions:
Rudi Johnson: - $1,100,000
Kevin Smith (Opening Day Starter) - $295,000

Carolina Panthers:
Jonathan Stewart - $1,395,000
DeAngelo Williams (Opening Day Starter) – $445,000

Tennessee Titans:
LenDale White - $$445,000
Chris Johnson (Opening Day Starter) - $370,000
 
TEXANRED said:
You guys are killing me.

You don't sit the higher paid player. You play him.

Greenwood and Weaver both began the year as starters b/c of there salary. Why else would you explain cutting them? What does it hurt to bring them back to camp for at least camp bodies and compete for a starting spot? Diles and Xavier are cheaper and younger and are going to start in front of Greenwood.

Just like Cochran and Bulman would of started in front of Weaver.

With the exception of VY being the highest paid 3rd string in history, what QB that is penciled in as the starter at the begining of the year has there back up making more than them?

And Bennett, is not going to begin the year as a starting CB.
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Diles & Adibi were very rough around the edges until given a chance to start. The coaches were actually "shocked" at Adibi's game performance, as he looked far LESS impressive in practice...evidently, he's a "gamer".

I guess we're all going to have to disagree with you on this, because you're insisting on comparing a ROOKIE contract to a vet. What you see as "not feasible" happens all the time in the NFL.

I'm not high on signing Benson, but the Texans DO need to find a way to punch it in from inside the five. If Benson could do ONLY that, I'd live with the signing, but I'm not real sure about him giving us any upside other than some depth behind Slaton.
 
LORK 88 said:
I just can't get behind signing Benson, mainly because his YPC scares me like it scared me with Ron Dayne. Both only shined while playing against the worst run defenses around. This article definitely helped me figure out a bit why I don't want to sign him.


Translation: I don't care if I'm the #1 RB or if I'm a 3rd down RB, as long as I get paid like a starter. It scares me when players are more determined by money than anything else because it ties in to motivation.


He averaged his second lowest career total, had 73 more yards then his previous career best (which is still mediocre by NFL standards), had his second lowest TD total, and 2 of his 3 100 yard games were against 2 of the 5 worst rushing defenses. If he thinks mediocrity is what the 4th overall pick in the draft was supposed to be, then he needs to re-evaluate his goals and standards.


18 more carries than his last season in Chicago. He got more carries towards the end for Cincy, but Chicago distributed his carries more evenly. I can't see anything different between Cincy and Chicago other than the expectations for him were severly lowered in Cincy. With raised expectations, I'm scared to if he underperforms again.
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Let me say this I am not a big advocate of Benson or anything but he was running behind one of the most banged up lines in the league last year. And I think that if he does sign here it will be for backup money because that is pretty much what he is. Look at it this way too, he will be running in a system that really favors the RB greatly. If it makes him look good then that helps him business wise in the future. Thats kinda what I got from his quote. He knows what our ZBS can do for him and its a heck of alot more than running behind a banged up Cinci line. Besides that we apear to be on ther rise as a team and Cinci appears to be on the decline. He wants to play in a SB again and the Texans have a better chance than Cinci to get there.
 
TEXANRED said:
You guys are killing me.

You don't sit the higher paid player. You play him.

Greenwood and Weaver both began the year as starters b/c of there salary. Why else would you explain cutting them? What does it hurt to bring them back to camp for at least camp bodies and compete for a starting spot? Diles and Xavier are cheaper and younger and are going to start in front of Greenwood.

Just like Cochran and Bulman would of started in front of Weaver.

With the exception of VY being the highest paid 3rd string in history, what QB that is penciled in as the starter at the begining of the year has there back up making more than them?

And Bennett, is not going to begin the year as a starting CB.
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It happens all the time:

Diles started over the better-payed Chaun Thompson and Kevin Bentley last year

Slaton started over A.Green all season

Kevin Walter starts over Andre Davis and Davis is making more money

Zgoniga, Robinson both had starts ahead of Travis Johnson even though Johnson makes a lot more money!
 
I'm going to back off on my stance a little bit.

I'm not a big fan of Bensons. I don't think he's shown anything yet. I'm not convinced he's going to come here and excel in our system. He might, but he might not.

But I'm going to back off on my stance on Ward being the better option. The more I look into the numbers, the less I'm enamored. I think he needed a big bruiser alongside him to perform his best. In other words, he needed what we need for Slaton... and that means he's not the answer.

I think our answer to the RB slot might actually come in the draft. But I'm interested in seeing what Smithiak puts together. So far, they haven't been so good with FA RBs.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Selected RB Base Salaries in 2008:

Chicago Bears:
Adrian Peterson - $605,000
Matt Forte (Opening Day Starter) - $295,000

Denver Broncos:
Michael Pittman - $830,000
Selvin Young (Opening Day Starter) - $370,000

Tampa Bay Buccaneers:
Warrick Dunn - $3,000,000
Cadillac Williams - $2,157,250
Earnest Graham (Opening Day Starter) - $1,500,000

Detroit Lions:
Rudi Johnson: - $1,100,000
Kevin Smith (Opening Day Starter) - $295,000

Carolina Panthers:
Jonathan Stewart - $1,395,000
DeAngelo Williams (Opening Day Starter) – $445,000

Tennessee Titans:
LenDale White - $$445,000
Chris Johnson (Opening Day Starter) - $370,000
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Debate finished.
 
Just draft a RB. Benson is not tough, not fast and not very elusive and lacks power. This guy was great in Highschool but he was nothing special at UT. I told my friends in Chitown when they drafted this guy that the Bears were reaching. I don't want to reach even though we probably get him cheap. Benson is just not my kind of RB and when Kubiak and Smith call me this week I will tell them that.:brando:
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'm going to back off on my stance a little bit.

I'm not a big fan of Bensons. I don't think he's shown anything yet. I'm not convinced he's going to come here and excel in our system. He might, but he might not.

But I'm going to back off on my stance on Ward being the better option. The more I look into the numbers, the less I'm enamored. I think he needed a big bruiser alongside him to perform his best. In other words, he needed what we need for Slaton... and that means he's not the answer.

I think our answer to the RB slot might actually come in the draft. But I'm interested in seeing what Smithiak puts together. So far, they haven't been so good with FA RBs.
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Indian giver.
 
from the Chron.com article:

Benson speaking about how he's a "changed man" in reference to his performace in Cincy (not his extracurricular): “I think I proved that I’m the player everybody thought I could be,” Benson said. “I think it showed that I can get the job done, being a full-time back and carry the load.”

“Chicago fans asked me what was the difference? I told them it was simple: They gave me the football.”


it's this kind of whiney baby bullsh!t that I don't want to hear. Confidence, see Demeco, Antonio, Dunta...

Cocky baby bullsh!t: I"m a badass, the coaches are dumb, show me the money.


Nevermind. Cedric. Go Away.
 
barrett said:
from the Chron.com article:

Benson speaking about how he's a "changed man" in reference to his performace in Cincy (not his extracurricular): “I think I proved that I’m the player everybody thought I could be,” Benson said. “I think it showed that I can get the job done, being a full-time back and carry the load.”

“Chicago fans asked me what was the difference? I told them it was simple: They gave me the football.”
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Wow. I know from personal experience that newspaper articles usually mess things up, and I know quotes often end up sounding different than they were in context. But, if this is an accurate reflection of how he feels, he's about the last person I want here. We need someone who will be more than willing to share the load with Slaton and others, not someone who's going to be demanding demanding the ball to be a "full-time back and carry the load."
 
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HOUSTON - Free agent runningback Cedric Benson arrived In Houston Monday to meet with the Houston Texans.

The Texans are looking for a veteran runningback to back up starter Steve Slaton.

"It's good," Benson said after arriving at Hobby Airport. "There are lot of good things about being in Texas and Houston and being close to home and things like that and being close to a lot of home fans and a lot of support here," Benson said.

Benson, who led Midland Lee to three consecutive Class 5-A Texas state football championships, also had great success at the University of Texas.

Benson acknowledged he could sign with the Texans.

"I think the possibilities are good," Benson said. "There is always a business side to everything and you hire people to handle that end of it and you just stay focused on handling your end of the deal and let it work itself out."
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barrett said:
from the Chron.com article:

Benson speaking about how he's a "changed man" in reference to his performace in Cincy (not his extracurricular): “I think I proved that I’m the player everybody thought I could be,” Benson said. “I think it showed that I can get the job done, being a full-time back and carry the load.”

“Chicago fans asked me what was the difference? I told them it was simple: They gave me the football.”


it's this kind of whiney baby bullsh!t that I don't want to hear. Confidence, see Demeco, Antonio, Dunta...

Cocky baby bullsh!t: I"m a badass, the coaches are dumb, show me the money.


Nevermind. Cedric. Go Away.
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keyser said:
Wow. I know from personal experience that newspaper articles usually mess things up, and I know quotes often end up sounding different than they were in context. But, if this is an accurate reflection of how he feels, he's about the last person I want here. We need someone who will be more than willing to share the load with Slaton and others, not someone who's going to be demanding demanding the ball to be a "full-time back and carry the load."
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I agree that it is very easy to miss interpret text, but I mean, come on.... really?
 
I feel ILL!! I do not want this to happen! If he wants to stay in Texas, let him go North. He would fit right in with the Cowpokes!!
 
Not exactly a way to make an entry, I agree with you guys.

Maybe in retrospect it would be best if Cedric just kept making those scheduled visits like he's planned.

You'd think he'd be a little gracious and a little understated. Nope. :foottap:
 
barrett said:
from the Chron.com article:

Benson speaking about how he's a "changed man" in reference to his performace in Cincy (not his extracurricular): “I think I proved that I’m the player everybody thought I could be,” Benson said. “I think it showed that I can get the job done, being a full-time back and carry the load.”

“Chicago fans asked me what was the difference? I told them it was simple: They gave me the football.”


it's this kind of whiney baby bullsh!t that I don't want to hear. Confidence, see Demeco, Antonio, Dunta...

Cocky baby bullsh!t: I"m a badass, the coaches are dumb, show me the money.


Nevermind. Cedric. Go Away.
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Yep same ole Cedric Benson of old. This is the exact same type of mentality that has made him a huge under achiever in the NFL. The guy got the ball a ton in Chicago and then they even traded a productive Thomas Jones for his sorry ass when his team mates loved Jones. Benson has never worked hard and has always had a really arrogant attitude. Don't want this guy at all after reading that. He clearly hasn't changed or been humbled by his disappointing career. He had a few nice games at the very end of the season for Cinci and thinks he's a stud again. Sorry, Benson but most teams aren't going to buy it. Stay in Cinci where you belong or run off to sign with the Raiders.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yep same ole Cedric Benson of old. This is the exact same type of mentality that has made him a huge under achiever in the NFL. The guy got the ball a ton in Chicago and then they even traded a productive Thomas Jones for his sorry ass when his team mates loved Jones. Benson has never worked hard and has always had a really arrogant attitude. Don't want this guy at all after reading that. He clearly hasn't changed or been humbled by his disappointing career. He had a few nice games at the very end of the season for Cinci and thinks he's a stud again. Sorry, Benson but most teams aren't going to buy it. Stay in Cinci where you belong or run off to sign with the Raiders.
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Amen!
 
Y'all are crazy, this guy can play. Is he a top RB in the NFL A-No but would a Slaton/Benson/add a player Brown/Taylor/Rookie RB/Walker or any scrub 3rd guy would be a dam good backfield

Plus it would be a 1-2 year deal in a system he could thrive in where he might be able to get one more good payday in 2010-2011 so lots of incentive for Ced
 
texanskan said:
Y'all are crazy, this guy can play. Is he a top RB in the NFL A-No but would a Slaton/Benson/add a player Brown/Taylor/Rookie RB/Walker or any scrub 3rd guy would be a dam good backfield

Plus it would be a 1-2 year deal in a system he could thrive in where he might be able to get one more good payday in 2010-2011 so lots of incentive for Ced
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I'd like the combo of Slaton and Benson myself, but Benson has to long of a history for not working hard and acting very arrogant towards his team mates. He was that way at Texas and his entire team in Chicago hated him. His career has been a bust in the NFL except for a few of those games at the end of last season where he was playing hard to get the contract that he is currently seeking right now. He is going to want a multi year deal and no way would I want the Texans to invest that on a guy that could start ticking the coaching staff and other team mates off at the drop of a hat.
 
texanskan said:
Y'all are crazy, this guy can play. Is he a top RB in the NFL A-No but would a Slaton/Benson/add a player Brown/Taylor/Rookie RB/Walker or any scrub 3rd guy would be a dam good backfield

Plus it would be a 1-2 year deal in a system he could thrive in where he might be able to get one more good payday in 2010-2011 so lots of incentive for Ced
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If the guy who is supposed to be the backup is a malcontent, then it hurts the more than helps the team. So many folks just love this guy because he is from Texas not because of actual production or attitude.
 
Specnatz said:
If the guy who is supposed to be the backup is a malcontent, then it hurts the more than helps the team. So many folks just love this guy because he is from Texas not because of actual production or attitude.
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My wife would want him on the team simply because he's from Midland and that's close to where she grew up.
 
The Texans need a running back to give Slaton a breather and to pound out those third and short yards. If Benson can do this I'd grab him; he's not going to be expensive. Passing up a reasonably priced guy to fill a glaring need because he isn't "likeable" sounds like a good way to keep hanging around at 8-8.

There are enough quality character guys on this team to handle any attitude problem he might have. There should be anyway; that's what we hear about with most signings.

Disclosure: I'm not a Longhorn fan.
 
I think you're all making a lot out of a little where that comment is concerned. He said "they gave me the ball". Big deal. You're all so anxious to point out what a bad idea bringing Benson in is that you'll take just about anything the man says and run with it.
 
Hervoyel said:
I think you're all making a lot out of a little where that comment is concerned. He said "they gave me the ball". Big deal. You're all so anxious to point out what a bad idea bringing Benson in is that you'll take just about anything the man says and run with it.
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Exactly. Show me a football player who doesn't talk up his own abilities and I'll show you a crappy football player.
 
Hervoyel said:
I think you're all making a lot out of a little where that comment is concerned. He said "they gave me the ball". Big deal. You're all so anxious to point out what a bad idea bringing Benson in is that you'll take just about anything the man says and run with it.
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Agreed.

So many people are dogging on this guy. Sign him. We are too caught up in having guys with having Boy Scouts. That's gotten us two 8-8 record seasons in a row. Let's reach out a bit and get a guy like Benson. He can only help us.

David Carr, help us. In your name we pray. Amen.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Agreed.

So many people are dogging on this guy. Sign him. We are too caught up in having guys with having Boy Scouts. That's gotten us two 8-8 record seasons in a row. Let's reach out a bit and get a guy like Benson. He can only help us.

David Carr, help us. In your name we pray. Amen.
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I don't give a rat's ass if this guy is a boy scout. I don't care about what he said about getting the ball.

I'm just not convinced he's any good or that he's going to help us.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I don't give a rat's ass if this guy is a boy scout. I don't care about what he said about getting the ball.

I'm just really convinced that he's good and that he's going to help us.
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Nicely said.

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On the serious side, I think he'll do fine against us. He did fine in Cinci, and our OLine is better than their own, plus we have a the pass for defenses to worry about AND Slaton tearing it up.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
On the serious side, I think he'll do fine against us. He did fine in Cinci, and our OLine is better than their own, plus we have a the pass for defenses to worry about AND Slaton tearing it up.
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I'll grant you that the Cincy line isn't any good but if you take out the last two games of the season (against the Browns and Chiefs), he averaged a smidge over 3 yards per carry last year.

How can you say he did fine in Cincy? He really didn't.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Selected RB Base Salaries in 2008:

Chicago Bears:

Adrian Peterson - $605,000:

three-year, $3.6 million contract extension through 2009. Details

Matt Forte (Opening Day Starter) - $295,000:

7/2/2008: Signed a four-year, $3.781 million contract. Details

Comparable contracts. Peterson was probably extended thinking he was going into the season as the featured back.


Denver Broncos:

Michael Pittman - $830,000

Selvin Young (Opening Day Starter) - $370,000

Pittman signed a one year deal. Young is finishing up and will make 460k this year.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

Warrick Dunn - $3,000,000:

Cadillac Williams - $2,157,250:

7/30/2005: Signed a five-year, $30 million contract. Details

Earnest Graham (Opening Day Starter) - $1,500,000:

6/29/2008: Signed a four-year, $11.05 million contract. Details

I think Cadillac was still hurting at the beginning of the Sean. I never understood the Dunn signing.

Neither he or the coach is still with the team.

Detroit Lions:

Rudi Johnson: - $1,100,000

Kevin Smith (Opening Day Starter) - $295,000:

7/22/2008: Signed a three-year, $1.799 million contract. Details

So now Matt Milan is a genius?


Carolina Panthers:

Jonathan Stewart - $1,395,000:

7/26/2008: Signed a five-year, $14 million contract. Details

DeAngelo Williams (Opening Day Starter) – $445,000:

7/27/2006: Signed a five-year, $14.5 million contract. Details

Tennessee Titans:

LenDale White - $$445,000:

7/27/2006: Signed a four-year, $2.91 million contract. Details

Chris Johnson (Opening Day Starter) - $370,000:

7/26/2008: Signed a five-year, $12 million contract. Details
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So as I said your starters are the guys with the bigger contracts. Remember that contracts are not split up equally and very from year to year.

Just repeat after me class, TEXANRED is always right.

Unless he is not, then he is just misunderstood.
 
Well I really wanted Derrick Ward, but he just signed with the Bucs so we better get Cedric Benson now. We can still draft a RB if we feel like we have to but if we get Ced I think we're lookin pretty good. Plus, I might be one of the only ones who think Ryan Moats looked really good and we'll be fine with Slaton, Moats, and Benson. That's three solid backs right there. I don't see the need to spend a pick on one though.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'll grant you that the Cincy line isn't any good but if you take out the last two games of the season (against the Browns and Chiefs), he averaged a smidge over 3 yards per carry last year.

How can you say he did fine in Cincy? He really didn't.
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People in here seem to forget that Benson finally started playing like that because it was his last chance in the NFL and no one wanted the guy really. When he had a nice contract he was smoking weed all the time and not working hard. He was like that his entire time at Texas. I know several people that used to smoke with Benson all the time back then and tell me stories about the guy. Cool guy and all from how people describe him, but he was spoiled for so long in Austin and that is why he didn't have a good work ethic at Texas. He never wanted to work hard in Chicago, because he already had all of that guaranteed money as well. It wasn't until the last few games of the season with Cinci where he KNEW HE HAD to show something to get another big pay day or decent one at least.

If we signed him for a year where he had to prove himself again like he did on the Bengals I think he might do just fine, but if it is for multiple years which I'm sure he wants, then you just never know what you're going to get from the guy, and he is always having problems with the law.
 
"Free agent running back Cedric Benson spent Monday visiting with the Texans at Reliant Stadium and having lunch and dinner with coaches, but no deal was reached that would return him to his home state"

"The Bengals, who have offered Benson a contract, are trying to re-sign him as their starter. The Texans, who are continuing negotiations, want him to complement Steve Slaton"

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6289379.html
 
Ward has signed with the Bucs. I'm in favor of bringing Benson in to give him a chance as long as the money is okay.
 
Well, T.J. Houshmenzadeh just signed with the The Seahawks, so it looks like Cincy will have plenty of cash to throw Benson's way if they really want him back.
 
So one of the reasons I read on here regarding why the Texans shouldn't sign Haynesworth was the fact that he had a spotty past and that McNair wouldn't condone those actions on his team. I sense some hypocrisy here...
 
Bulluck53 said:
So one of the reasons I read on here regarding why the Texans shouldn't sign Haynesworth was the fact that he had a spotty past and that McNair wouldn't condone those actions on his team. I sense some hypocrisy here...
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Maybe you just sense opposing opinions because there are multiple posters. The "board" doesn't have a collective mind to be hypocritical.
 
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