dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Maybe it's just me but I don't want any players whose name is tatooed on the ankle of one of our coordinators.
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Sage to the Vikings
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Maybe it's just me but I don't want any players whose name is tatooed on the ankle of one of our coordinators.
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
I think Chris Simms has the chance to be a pretty decent QB in the league.
wags
Veteran
Not yet. I believe the Bears and others are interested in him.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
How can you think that he would have led the team to two 8-8 season when he is at the helm the team is not doing as well as when Schaub is? Sage's rating is worse and his Int% was 5.o in '08 and 5.0 in '07 way higher than Schaub. Did you think we had talented receivers prior to 2008, much less in 2007?
As far as a QB system goes, yes the WC is but you still have to have a QB who reads and reacts quickly and does not force the ball. I guess San Francisco could have just plugged Mike Tomczak in and still won back to back Super Bowls.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
He signed a multi-year deal with Tenn at first and then was cut and then brought back. Never understood how that worked.
dtran04
Veteran
With the way this offseason has been going, watch Rick Smith/Kyle Shanahan get in trouble for tampering or something like that for talking to Chris Simms. LOL
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
EXACTLY!!I am wondering where this value for Sage is coming from...especially after last season. You don't hinge seasons on hoping you have a great backup because there are always injuries. Look at the teams that made it far this year....consistent with their starter and minimal injuries. The only one you can sort of say this didn't happen with was the Cards but Warner played the whole season.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
Love the logic in this. Forget Doug Flutie's very successful CFL career. Difference is those guys had the tools to step in and take the job over...Sage doesn't.
Personally I think it's best for both parties that the trade goes down. If Rick does get a fourth out of this he's got a great jump start on the offseason.
I'm seeing a lot of the same things I saw last year when this trade was proposed. We don't need a all pro back up. What we need is a guy that can hand the ball off, get passes to AJ, and not melt down trying to take the starter job.
For those proposing Simms.....did you never watch UT football? We might complain about Sage but Simms was a career UT choke artist.
Grams
Veteran
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I agree with his UT career but he actually helped lead Tampa to the playoffs in 2006 and was a dropped pass away from winning a tough playoff game against Washington. He did his part. Too bad the WR choked. More than many QBs we have seen this day. I think he is a prissy type and not my fave but I can't take his play that year away from him.
vtech9
All Pro
old news at this point, but SR610 is reporting it also.
SportsRadio 610 has learned Houston Texans Quarterback Sage Rosenfels is expected to be traded to the Minnesota Vikings for an undisclosed draft pick. The Vikings have offered a 3 year $9 million extension to Rosenfels. Rosenfels will be expected to compete with Tavaris Jackson for the starting job in Minnesota.
SportsRadio 610 has learned Houston Texans Quarterback Sage Rosenfels is expected to be traded to the Minnesota Vikings for an undisclosed draft pick. The Vikings have offered a 3 year $9 million extension to Rosenfels. Rosenfels will be expected to compete with Tavaris Jackson for the starting job in Minnesota.
Don't get me wrong, I'm with the trade. Those guys I mentioned had nothing to do with Sage, but more in line with Brinks, or whatever undrafted FA QB we might pick up.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I asked John McClain in his blog if he will be able to give us any further news before midnight on Thursday. He didn't respond in his blog but he did email me. I'm not supposed to copy or redistribute the email. So, I'll paraphrase what he said:
Done deal for a 4th round pick. Nothing can be announced until midnight on Thursday.
Done deal for a 4th round pick. Nothing can be announced until midnight on Thursday.
Big Poundcake
Waterboy
I knew that was going to be brought up.
First of all, I don't think the Texans would have made this deal unless they felt confident in being able to find a capable backup QB.
I have no idea if they interested in Simms, but it would not surprise me if they did. Like I said, Simms and Shanahan are buds. Simms wants a place to go where he might get a chance. I think the Texans and Simms would be good for each other.
Schaub hasn't been able to stay healthy the last couple years. If Simms signs here, then he knows that he could get a chance to step in and start if Schaub goes down. I think Simms would come cheap and this could be the best situation for himself.
I do hope of course that Schaub stays healthy.
Who knows, the Texans may not have any interest in Simms.
Either way, I'm glad the Texans likely traded Ronsenfels.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
So in other words, the lack of a a qualifying statement leads to an assumption.
So in other words, your not liking the trade leads to an assumption.
Let's not consider things like Sage doesn't see the middle of the field--it must be Kubiak just won't consider him for the job, even though that winning v. losing thing kind of determines his future.
I have to admit that I'm surprised, for a couple of reasons. First, Rosenfels is pretty good backup QB and there's not much out there on the market to replace him. Second, I thought Sage had destroyed his trade value with his performance in '08.
This really speaks to the lack of good QB play in this league. There are not 32 quality QBs in the NFL. So you have a Tarvaris Jackson and a Sage Rosenfels competing for a starting job on a playoff team. Sad, really.
Owen Daniels. Fred Bennett. Xavier Adibi. Kubiak and crew have done a good job in the 4th round. As long as the Texans can get a decent backup QB in free agency, this is a fair deal.
This really speaks to the lack of good QB play in this league. There are not 32 quality QBs in the NFL. So you have a Tarvaris Jackson and a Sage Rosenfels competing for a starting job on a playoff team. Sad, really.
Owen Daniels. Fred Bennett. Xavier Adibi. Kubiak and crew have done a good job in the 4th round. As long as the Texans can get a decent backup QB in free agency, this is a fair deal.
How various teams balance these two conflicting views make this a viable trade. There are people here who really dislike Sage because he lost the Indy game. However to an observer less invested in the Texans, that may be seen as a few mintues of bad play and a great learning experience.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I would not be basking in security just yet. The Texans' "confidence" tends too many times to actually reflect overconfidence........that results too many times in lack of attention to certain important weaknesses which their fans seem to appreciate much sooner.
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wags
Veteran
I agree. It will be interesting to see who the braintrust replaces him with, because history tells us that person will probably start 3 to 4 games next year.
The answer appears to be that while the Vikes for whatever reason still saw value, Sage did succeed in destroying any confidance that Kubiak had in him.
But I'm wondering what Kubiaks fall back position is here? I'm sure he's not expecting to find his #2 in this years Draft, so unless he thinks he can just go into FA and grab a backup, does anyone have a feel for how much of a future Alex Brink might have here ? I see he's still on our roster.
I don't see Kubiak having a choice. I doubt there are more than 3 or 4 QBs in this draft ready to step up as a backup QB. They'll be gone before the Texans are ready to take one. Alex Brink is a fringe practice squad QB. He's not the answer. There must be someone in free agency that Kubiak has his eye on. There must be.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
What about Garcia? He can still move around a little bit and run that playaction bootleg that Kubiak loves so much.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Who will play half the season for Fragile Matty?
Plenty of good QBs in the later round that could at least manage the game for us
Plenty of good QBs in the later round that could at least manage the game for us
Old School
Rookie
Garcia wants to start, not hold a clipboard
False Start
On # 69
Don't let the door hit you on the way out Sage. Before the Indy game I had some confidence in him, after he was on my sh!t list. If we can get an extra pick, and a fourth rounder at that, then hell yeah. There are a few QBs that have been mentioned in this thread that I think can do the job. This is a good thing and I'm glad its happening, at least it looks like it. 
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Let's see a very large man take a couple of cheap shots at your knees to see just how fragile you are. Let's get off the fragile Matt BS. I guess Brady's pretty fragile then?
Sage has been and never will be anything more than a very adequate backup. Getting a 4th rounder for him is a steal. Who you get to replace him, I don't know and don't really care at the moment. I just know you make that deal, career backup for a 4th, every time. They probably should have done it last year when you might have been able to get a 3rd...maybe. Let's get it done this time.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I read an article where he said he didn't have to start, that he would understand and accept a backup role.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Every QB takes cheapshots, everyone gets hit. Few miss as many games as Matt Schaub. Brady has only missed games thanks to an ACL injury, that's it. Same with Manning.
Matt is a ton better than Sage, no question, he just won't finish a season.
Hooston Texan
Rookie
That theoretical less-invested observer must have not watched the Cleveland and Jacksonville games where Sage threw picks in terrible, terrible situations--with his team leading. As it happens, the defense and running games bailed him out (who knew?), but it was obvious by the middle of the Jag game that Kubiak had lost all confidence in Sage.
For that reason, I say you take the deal and run. There are plenty of veteran QBs looking for work who can run an offense. No, they're not starters, but they can be decent backups. With the way that Kubiak does not trust Sage (judging by the last three quarters of the Jags game and the rumors that Sage is not happy with his treatment by the coaches), we'd probably be better off with a different backup, trade or not.
Wolf
100% Texan
I am amazed. at the viewpoints..
First off.yes if the trade is done, there needs to be a backup plan other than a rookie..
2nd is, I don't think there was much fan fare when sage was brought in as a free agent and he did a good enough job to win some fans over.
I Personally am thinking that if we can get something out of him (as far as a trade) do it , because he is gone in a year and we hopefully will be a stronger team and need a backup that knows the system and if sage is it and leaves after next season, we would be in a hole.
First off.yes if the trade is done, there needs to be a backup plan other than a rookie..
2nd is, I don't think there was much fan fare when sage was brought in as a free agent and he did a good enough job to win some fans over.
I Personally am thinking that if we can get something out of him (as far as a trade) do it , because he is gone in a year and we hopefully will be a stronger team and need a backup that knows the system and if sage is it and leaves after next season, we would be in a hole.
It is time for Sage to go to other pastures, or fields as the case might be. The Indy game was his undoing and no one will ever forget it no matter what he does here. After that game, the play calling became very conservative, to say the least, when Sage was in the game. I'm not even surprised at this turn of events. I expected it, actually. I just hope someone has a Plan B for Backup.
TexansFan33
DW33
We need to ship him out of here and get a capable backup to schaub.
Mari-OWNED!
Bucco Bruce
We could make everyone in West Virginia cream their pants by drafting Pat White.
Bob McNair should really look into that, it would definitely bring a larger fanbase outside the city of Houston.
More $$$$$
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
I just checked the Chronicle and McClain says the deal is done but can't officially do the deal until Friday...Houston does get Minnesota's 4th rounder out of the deal. Weaver cut and won't comment until friday
MOTHER-TRUCKER!!!
Polychoronopolous...
DiehardChris
You betcha!
Eh, it's not official until Friday. Every other GM in the league now knows the price, so they have all week to call Rick Smith with a better offer.
4th rounder!
Dont like it.
I hope we at least get something in 2010.
We got Owen Daniels in the 4th round, didn't we? Quityerbitchin.
They're getting rid of the deadwood. Applaud the move.
"Yeah but they should have gotten a third for him!"
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What I would like to hear is that there is some additional conditional pick thrown in (such as, if he starts > 50% of their games, then we get next year's 4th also, or something). I'm not sure I ever hear about conditional picks for trades made before the draft, though (it seems to be for the later ones, dealing with draft picks in future years).
I'm a bit worried that the 4th won't be enough to replace Sage's value to the team (I hope Kubiak is secretly super-happy with Brink or someone), but as others have mentioned, it's nice that we turned a free agent into a draft pick!
I'm a bit worried that the 4th won't be enough to replace Sage's value to the team (I hope Kubiak is secretly super-happy with Brink or someone), but as others have mentioned, it's nice that we turned a free agent into a draft pick!
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
that would be possible if he was worth anything...THIS IS SAGE ROSENFELS PEOPLE! He's not gonna command Brett Favre type deals. I'm just glad we get anything at all for him....& we get rid of Weaver.......
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3911129
Also, I'm not sure where some people get this starter/over the top value on Sage. He is a competent backup that has never cracked a starting lineup when given a chance..many now. He makes plays and ALSO loses games. I'd take FAs like Patrick Ramsey, Batch, JT O'Sullivan and a host of others who are in the same ballpark as Sage and who can manage a game while a starter is down. That is what most backups do. Stop making Sage the patron saint of backups.
GP
Go Texans!
Pat White and Steve Slaton.
Don't know about anybody else, but I like the sound of that.
Only problem: I think a team will take Pat White in the first round, and he will definitely not be there after the 2nd round.
There's a lot of teams with QB issues, and White has helped his stock late in the year. Would we pull a Philly Eagles and go "Kolb" by grabbing a high-profile QB? I like the idea, personally, since Matt Schaub can get injured again. Trotting out White & Slaton would be exciting, IMO, in comparison to having Sage as the backup.
Don't know about anybody else, but I like the sound of that.
Only problem: I think a team will take Pat White in the first round, and he will definitely not be there after the 2nd round.
There's a lot of teams with QB issues, and White has helped his stock late in the year. Would we pull a Philly Eagles and go "Kolb" by grabbing a high-profile QB? I like the idea, personally, since Matt Schaub can get injured again. Trotting out White & Slaton would be exciting, IMO, in comparison to having Sage as the backup.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
With all of the cutting going on in the coaching ranks and players, the Texans are starting to resemble the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre". Personally, I'm glad to see it. It shows me that Mr. McNair and Co. are serious about having a winning franchise.
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
i like sage. best of luck to him with the vikes.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
A 4th round pick was a great price. We literally picked the Vikings pockets on this if they don't come to their senses before Friday. It's just a shame that we lost out on the possible 3 last year that we could have gotten from him if we'd struck while the iron was hot.
I like Sage too dragon and I do wish him good luck. I just don't want him on my team and think that anytime you can trade a career backup with delusions of grandeur for a pick that's worth more than he is then you gotta do that.
I like Sage too dragon and I do wish him good luck. I just don't want him on my team and think that anytime you can trade a career backup with delusions of grandeur for a pick that's worth more than he is then you gotta do that.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Yep - Sage is a QB who will not embarrass his team, and can win at a clip better than 2-14 if forced to start or play. Those were the goals when we signed him, and he pretty much succeeded. Our goals are considerably higher at this point.
