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Frank Bush named New Texans DC
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GP
Go Texans!
That's what a lot of us were theorizing.
We have a recent confirmation that Richard Smith was, at the very least, being told by Kubiak AND Bush that there were some things he could do...some things he could not do.
In essence, Richard Smith had been handcuffed at some point in the season. And it wasn't just Kubiak doing the lock down. Bush told a person that he was involved in the decision and its implementation, as well.
I think it's funny that we wanted Bush when he was with the Cards, but couldn't get him due to contract no-no's. And now we wanted to interview Gray, but couldn't due to contract no-no's. I guess we'll have to wait until Gray is let go in order to get him as our d-coord? LOL [/sarcasm]
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
4pm today on houstontexans.com will be a live interview with Kubes and Bush.
Please let McClain and company ask questions that shed some light on the direction and philosophy of our new defense.
Please let McClain and company ask questions that shed some light on the direction and philosophy of our new defense.
JWarren14
Beer Me
I thought that as well late in the season when our defense stepped up.
It may not be the sexiest hiring and it could have been done earlier, but let's reserve judgment until we actually see the product on the field. There are quite a few Head Coaching jobs available and a lot of DCs being interviewed for those positions. If you can't interview coordinators under contract unless its for a head coaching position or the team will let you then the pool is pretty small, I am not sure what DCs are under contract, but I am sure that the top tier DC are locked up for a good number of years. I am excited to see what Bush can do, he should have a great relationship with Mario both being from the Wolfpack and being drafted by Houston franchises. He should be able to help progress our young LBs Meco and Adibi and further them along with his LB experience. The Texans website has already updated his profile.
Whats done is done now lets support our new TEXANS DC!
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
Yeah that sounds good but McClain also said all the time how Richard Smith would "blitz every play if he could" but they don't feel like the secondary can hold up blah blah blah. Until the season starts and we get a few games under our belt all we are going to see on the defense will be fluff pieces about how much has changed on defense for the better that will build up our expectations. I'm a sucker for the Texans so I know I will be reading every one of those and eventually they will turn me into a believer but right now I am not pleased with this move. Bring on the draft I guess.
GP
Go Texans!
OK, but how long did it take for them to know that they couldn't speak to Jerry Gray?
Isn't the general rule that you can't interview for a lateral move...only for a head coaching job? That's correct, is it not?
If so, then that doesn't wash.
I just think they drug their feet, knowing Bush was their guy, and they know they've drug this out long enough. They knew GP and his band of investigators were getting a little too close to the truth!
Obviousley pure speculation on my part, but my gut tells me Bush was calling the plays down the stretch. Hopefully not the Oakland game though!!!!!!!
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
That was my argument with Texanchick and others who were afraid that the defensive improvement towards the end of the season may save Richard Smith's job. I thought the change in style was immediate and significant enough that it indicated the involvement of someone else. I guess that someone was Bush.
By the way, the most exciting aspect of this change is represented in some quotes in a story in December by Dunta and some unnamed players. Basically, they said that they would leave defensive meetings knowing it just wouldn't work. And, they were itching to be allowed to start attacking more.
Also telling was a story in November about Eugene Wilson. Members of our secondary were astonished that he positioned his body in ways in order to decieve the QB and the offense. Wow! That pretty much says it all about Richard Smith's abilities as a DC. I gotta believe deception might begin to be taught and game planned now. REVOLUTIONARY!!
Wolf
100% Texan
TC weighs in on her blog
http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2009/01/initial_thoughts_on_the_frank.html
http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2009/01/initial_thoughts_on_the_frank.html
OK, but how long did it take for them to know that they couldn't speak to Jerry Gray?
Isn't the general rule that you can't interview for a lateral move...only for a head coaching job? That's correct, is it not?
If so, then that doesn't wash.
I just think they drug their feet, knowing Bush was their guy, and they know they've drug this out long enough. They knew GP and his band of investigators were getting a little too close to the truth!
The rule is that you can't interview for a non-head coaching position without permission from your contractor. The Redskins pay Gray a lot of money, so they may have been considering a deal where they would let him interview here if he agreed to terminate his contract. I have no idea, but if the team with the employee agrees, they are allowed to interview
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
OK, but how long did it take for them to know that they couldn't speak to Jerry Gray?
Isn't the general rule that you can't interview for a lateral move...only for a head coaching job? That's correct, is it not?
If so, then that doesn't wash.
I just think they drug their feet, knowing Bush was their guy, and they know they've drug this out long enough. They knew GP and his band of investigators were getting a little too close to the truth!
The old rule was that you can interview for a promotion. However, because of loopholes like "assistant head coach", they changed the rule to only "head coach"... Gray is currently a secondary coach... Three years ago, he could have interviewed for a coordinator position, but not now.
They could have named Bush the interim DC and then interview other people midseason if they had wanted to.
The defense from the midpoint of the season was not so much of a problem. It wouldn't have really changed anything. We were 5-1 over our last 6 games of the year
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
Kubiak better be confident in Frank Bush because he will either sink or swim with him.
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Polo
Guest
I don't think Bush will be terrible, but if he is this will be the year you see a DC get canned mid-season...
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Gray had it in his contract that he would interview for coordinator and up, the Skins simply refused to allow him to interview with the Texans.
mattieuk
All Pro
Well...no real surprise here, can't really say I know enough about him to cast any form of real excitement or disgust on the appointment, so we're just going to have to wait and see how this pans out, and see what kind of talent we're going to be bringing in to booster our defense.
I'm really eager for the draft to see if we can fix up our leaky D, and look at how Bush is going to hold points off the board, and equally importantly, getting the opposition's QB into the turf a few more times.
I'm really eager for the draft to see if we can fix up our leaky D, and look at how Bush is going to hold points off the board, and equally importantly, getting the opposition's QB into the turf a few more times.
Wolf
100% Texan
http://texanstailgate.blogspot.com/2009/01/frank-bush.html
he is getting a little ahead of himself, but interesting
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TimeKiller
Guest
Bush being hired as DC only bothers me because Richard Smith held the title until now. He should've been named when hired, Smith never did anything to keep his job. He should've been promoted after the 0-4 start. He should've been promoted when the defense proved beyond a shadow of a shadow of a doubt that it was inept under Smith midseason. He should've been promoted the last few games when he was the one basically controlling the calls from afar. He should've been promoted immediately after the Bears game. He should've been promoted before they brought in and let Marinelli walk. Why now?
Meh says I.
Meh says I.
Wolf
100% Texan
from the link comparing the type of defense robinson did in denver(bush was part of the crew) and what Bush might run
http://texanstailgate.blogspot.com/2009/01/frank-bush.html
http://texanstailgate.blogspot.com/2009/01/frank-bush.html
spurstexanstros
Texans Rising
Am I the only one excited about this....I mean a new guy who wants to be agressive. I will be more excited once I read or hear the words.......The Houston Texans sever their ties with CB Demarcus "Big Play..er Petey.." Faggins
until then......
until then......
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
We don't know anything about what the new guy wants to do. McClain says he wants to play an aggressive 4-3, but that is the same dang thing that McClain said about another former Oiler coach, Richard Smith.
Here's a link to an old FanBlog post I wrote when I was trying to figure out what Richard Smith was going to be about.
It's worth reading to see if we get the same old vagueness.
I want to know SPECIFICALLY what is going to be different. Less read and react? Actually trying to disguise coverages? What????
I'm pretty OK with this signing. I guess the Texans didn't make a mid-season change cuz it's not their style. They tend to be very methodical ( plodding) in personnel changes at times. I wonder what went on with Franklin. We now know what Bush REALLY thought of his coaching.I HATE waiting for the ^&*&^%* draft!!!!
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Polo
Guest
Kubiak probably didn't demote Smith because he didn't think that it was all his fault...Even after Smith was fired Kubiak apologized for not providing him with all the tools (players) necessary...After reflecting on the season he probably figured that another coach could bring a better gameplan on Sundays though...
texanhead08
All Pro
I think Bush has paid his dues and its good for him that he is getting a shot. I hope he does well of course, but seeing we wanted him 2yrs ago and weren't allowed to interview him its seems fair to him that he gets the job Kubes wanted him to have to begin with. Now its up to the front office to give him some players to work with.
At least in the interview Bush had a good presence, but he did use that annoying "kid" thing that Kubiak does. Talk about simplifying the defense and being aggressive at the snap of the ball...moving foward versus sideways.
hookinreds
Veteran
For some reason, I feel very comfortable with Bush taking over the D.
Killer Bee
Waterboy
So after listening to Bush’s press conference, I’m definitely more encouraged by this hiring. He seems ambitious and enthusiastic for his big chance. He specifically mentioned Buddy Ryan as one of his mentors along with Jerry Glanville, and Greg Robinson. Old school aggressive Houston defense is back. Attacking, violent, and aggression are words Bush used to describe his defensive philosophy. He said he would simplify the thinking when the ball is snapped and just get up the field after the ball, cause turnovers through collisions. When asked what he was going to change. A devious smile came across his face.
NO MORE READ AND REACT. YES!!!
NO MORE READ AND REACT. YES!!!
TexansFanatic
Extremist
fantastic!!!
TexansFanatic
Extremist
I'm excited about this Frank Bush. I hated Jerry Glanville, but his defenses were disruptive and created a lot of turnovers. They also inflicted a lot of pain in the House of Pain. This is Bush's pedigree. The Texans may be on their way to being a team other teams don't want to play.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
TexansFanatic
Extremist
Bush is a distinct improvement. I expect good things from his defense next year.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
The only thing that doesn't thrill me about this hiring is the timing.
If Kubiak was going to hire Bush, he could have done during last offseason, or if he wasn't certain then, then he could have done it half way through this season.
There was no reason to wait until this offseason to hire someone that was already on this staff.
If Kubiak was going to hire Bush, he could have done during last offseason, or if he wasn't certain then, then he could have done it half way through this season.
There was no reason to wait until this offseason to hire someone that was already on this staff.
GP
Go Texans!
I'm good with it.
Just picture this: Frank Bush and Gary Kubiak basically had an intervention with Richard Smith this year.
When you-know-who says that Smithiak was awful for letting Riley's contract go un-renewed, I stop and think "Yeah, well they also let those guys finish out the year and keep their jobs and their salaries and their respect, too. They could have canned them all and installed Frank on the spot."
Seems pretty generous and sincere, if you ask me.
All Bush had to say was that he counts Buddy Ryan as a major influence. That's a defense that looks like it still is in place in Philly: Blitzes, attacking, physical, and just consistent in their attitude.
I'm down with this move.
Just picture this: Frank Bush and Gary Kubiak basically had an intervention with Richard Smith this year.
When you-know-who says that Smithiak was awful for letting Riley's contract go un-renewed, I stop and think "Yeah, well they also let those guys finish out the year and keep their jobs and their salaries and their respect, too. They could have canned them all and installed Frank on the spot."
Seems pretty generous and sincere, if you ask me.
All Bush had to say was that he counts Buddy Ryan as a major influence. That's a defense that looks like it still is in place in Philly: Blitzes, attacking, physical, and just consistent in their attitude.
I'm down with this move.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Frank Bush's hiring doesn't do anything for me. Coaching doesn't count against the salary cap, so why are we shopping on the bargain aisle? He may be great and no one knows how we will do but the fact is that he has no experience as DC and has never called the plays before.
That ain't exactly the most qualified candidate out there, is it? If the defense still continues to underperform and prohibit us from taking the next step as a team, Gary and Smith need to be held accountable for this hire and we can't wait 3 years to see if it works out. Based on this hiring, we definitely need to go out and get a leader for our defense. Ray Lewis makes sense and I would love to add him to our coaching staff when he retires.
I just don't see how this is going to change the culture of the defense. He was already on the staff and we saw a flatlining defense almost every week.
This guy better work out or shame on McNair, Kubiak, and Smith for not getting a more qualified and experienced candidate.
That ain't exactly the most qualified candidate out there, is it? If the defense still continues to underperform and prohibit us from taking the next step as a team, Gary and Smith need to be held accountable for this hire and we can't wait 3 years to see if it works out. Based on this hiring, we definitely need to go out and get a leader for our defense. Ray Lewis makes sense and I would love to add him to our coaching staff when he retires.
I just don't see how this is going to change the culture of the defense. He was already on the staff and we saw a flatlining defense almost every week.
This guy better work out or shame on McNair, Kubiak, and Smith for not getting a more qualified and experienced candidate.
I'm very disappointed. Very, very disappointed.
To me, this is like firing offensive coordinator, and replacing him with Joe Pendry.
What has he done, to deserve a promotion??
What was the Senior Defensive Assistant doing, when we gave up 24 points to Chicago, 27 points to Oakland, 21 to Greenbay, 33 to Indy, 41 to Baltimore, and 28 to Minnesota??
Was he, or was he not assiting the Defensive Coordinator??
To me, this is like firing offensive coordinator, and replacing him with Joe Pendry.
What has he done, to deserve a promotion??
What was the Senior Defensive Assistant doing, when we gave up 24 points to Chicago, 27 points to Oakland, 21 to Greenbay, 33 to Indy, 41 to Baltimore, and 28 to Minnesota??
Was he, or was he not assiting the Defensive Coordinator??
GP
Go Texans!
I'd like to think it was less of being an "assistant," and more of being someone who took notes, tried to give his input when he could, and then had to let the rest of it go.
He was waiting in the wings, and Richard's poor performance opened the doors of opportunity that Kubiak had probably told him would end up happening back when he lured Bush to Houston.
It's like crack: Richard was addicted to a bad philosophy. He tried to kick the habit, via Kubiak and Bush stepping in and handcuffing him...but he fell off that wagon in Oakland.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Frank Bush is saying what I want to hear, which is both encouraging and suspicious at the same time. I dont think we have a lot to go on with the knowledge we have right now. I think the hiring of the rest of the defensive staff, free agent moves and the draft behind us well have a better feel for what all this means.
That's a lot of beer between now and then, and I can only hope I have enough brain cells left to comprehend it when we are there.
That's a lot of beer between now and then, and I can only hope I have enough brain cells left to comprehend it when we are there.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I'm with you...safe, plain, uninspiring and unimaginative...typical
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
How is it safe? Greg Williams or Mike Nolan would be safe. This is a risky choice. And, frankly, who cares if it is inspiring to fans as long as he inspires the players.
Fox
Rookie
I think depending on perspective you could spin just about any candidate to be a risky selection. Hell, this is just a risky juncture in Kubiak's tenure as HC of the Texans. I think Bush is safe because he is familiar. It required very little leg work on the part of the Texans to promote from within.
I will wait and see the results before feeling anything about Bush as DC. I'll reserve my judgement until we have a body of work to judge. Until then, it's all speculation on our collective parts.
But I hope for the best! What else can I do?
But I hope for the best! What else can I do?
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
when's the draft? hopefully he's sick of the sit back and be picked apart defense we had
Sideline
Veteran
I like this hiring, the in the house hiring is something that Kubiak seems to like, along with young Shanahan. It was expected and it was vanilla, but I have been given no legitimate reason as yet not to trust the moves made by Smith and Kubiak.
Bush was here for last years Defensive debarcle, which is something that perhaps gives us reason to worry, however because he was here for that he already has the blueprint in front of him of what not to do with our defense, so I believe we can safely say that the product we see on the field next season will be completly different to that which we saw this season.
Just wish we didnt have to wait another 7 months now to see how it all pans out.
Bush was here for last years Defensive debarcle, which is something that perhaps gives us reason to worry, however because he was here for that he already has the blueprint in front of him of what not to do with our defense, so I believe we can safely say that the product we see on the field next season will be completly different to that which we saw this season.
Just wish we didnt have to wait another 7 months now to see how it all pans out.
indiantexan
Waterboy
Perhaps all Bush did was take notes and provide some input whenever asked to. He may not have volunteered to do anything because he may have wanted Capt. Smith of the Fail Boat to fail spectacularly for Kubiak and the FO to see....and offer him the job for 2009.