ATXtexanfan
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texas just has to win out, the ball is in there hands. big win today but, everyone crowned USC champs after they beat the hell out of the buckeyes. then they lost to oregon st. good thing no k-state on the schedule.
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(#5)Texas Longhorns at (#1)Oklahoma Sooners
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Texecutioner
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It is unlikely that the Longhorns will win out. They can, but this is one grueling schedule. Even if they can manage to lose only one game to one of the ranked teams on their schedule, then they will most likely play for the Big 12 Conference Championship against Missouri probably. If they can manage to win that game, then Texas should at the very least make it to a BcS bowl.
ATXtexanfan
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if texas wins out and so does penn st, do they play in the title game over usc and the sec champ (given bama loses and the sec champ has a loss)
I'd rather the Horns not have to see Mizzou twice .... Hopefully another team in the Big12 North finds a way to beat them. Kansas , Kansas St. and Nebraska are not pushovers .... There have been many more surprising upsets thus far this season.
Yeah , this is one hell of a schedule not to mention the possibility of playing Mizzou a second time in the Big12 Championship game .... which I had completely forgotten about until reading your post.
I think its quite possible we wake up Monday and have a new #1 with the way Bama struggled w/ Kentucky along with the UT win over OU , Mizzou's loss and LSU's loss. They will be no lower than #2 unless of course Penn St. leaps them but I dont see that happening.
If the Horns can avoid a loss in the next three they are the team to beat for the title.
McCoy set himself up nicely for a shot at the Hiesman too ....
ATXtexanfan
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mccoy is in the drivers seat for the heisman, could he surpass vince with a title and a statue? would love to see paterno get a shot at a title.
bah007
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At the end of it all, Texas will have one of the toughest strength of schedules in the nation.
An undefeated Texas gets into the championship game no matter what.
Penn St plays in a weak conference. I could actually see a 1-loss USC or Alabama getting over them in the polls.
Texecutioner
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If Texas were to run the table, then they're in for sure.
I can't see Penn State winning out even with that pony schedule. If they did, you're probably right that they'd put a one loss SEC team in or USC. However, it would be hard to turn Jo PA away if he were to run the table as old as he is. It would make for a great story for them.
Texecutioner
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Well with that grueling schedule Corrosion, it is likely that we lose one game. If we can get through Missouri, though then our chances are really good.
I'm just a little worried that maybe Mack Brown gets a little laid back down the stretch. I just don't have a ton of confidence in Mack's ability to game plan week after week and be prepared for this many tough games that we could potentially lose. Greg Davis had a pretty good game plan yesterday, and probably the best game I've ever seen him call against Oklahoma, but he still had a few costly mistaken calls like that play on 3rd and 1 where he called a bootleg and Colt threw that INT in the end zone where the refs gave us a break (Thank god!). Mack and GD both make me nervous with as many years as I've seen them have previous teams unprepared.
On the flip side though......
We did just beat Oklahoma and that will now give this team a true confidence that they haven't had since VY left. The biggest reason for that is WIll Muschamp's presence and gritty attitude that seems to have transcended onto both sides of the ball. So now we have beaten the toughest opponent on the season schedule at least, so in the -player's minds they know they can beat anyone left on the schedule.
The most surprising and fulfilling thing about this season is how this offense has played so well under Colt's leadership. Going into the season, Texas had less talent as far as pure play makers than it has had in years and years, but yet so many guys are OVER ACHIEVING and making things happen better than any other Longhorn team has at this point with exception to the one that won the NC a few years back. Cosby wasn't looked at as some stud or anything, but he is making plays all over the place and thus far has been a better player than Roy Williams, Limas Sweed, and B.J Johnson were at this point. And Shipley has been a freaking bad ass as well. He now reminds me of Jeff Samardzija a few years back at ND. The RB's have not been great, but collectively as a unit they are getting it done. We also lost BAINE IRBEY who looked like he might be the best TE Texas has had in years.
MIssouri will most likely win the Big 12 North so if we get to the Big 12 Championship we'll either play them or Kansas, so we'd have to play either one of them twice which will be NO PICNIC IN THE PARK in either game.
Any way, for now I'll be celebrating this win over Oklahoma all week. Nothing makes me happier than to beat Bob Stoops!
Hookem Horns!
ATXtexanfan
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not a horns fan but that is a nice pic
bah007
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The AP Poll doesn't count for anything.
But in the Harris Poll OU is #4 & USC #5.
In the Coaches Poll USC is #4 & OU #6.
In the human polls the rule has always been to lose early and then climb back up in the end.
OU isn't dropping because they lost to the #1 team.
USC isn't dropping because they are #3 in strength of schedule (they sure as hell won't be after they play through that weak ass conference).
So what if Texas would have lost to OU by a last second field goal or something like that, would they have moved up from #5 to #4 because they barely lost to the #1 team? Some how I doubt that.
BTW, not knocking your logic since you are probably right. I am just knocking the system.
Texecutioner, I don't know about anyone else but I have a hard time reading your posts because of the bolded text. For some reason its hard on my eyes, especially when you have made a long post. Just an FYI.
Sal Rosenberg
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Texas would have fallen to 8 or 10 i bet
Exactly there, sizzle chest.
Second Honeymoon
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classic win by the Horns saturday and Colt finally played well in a big game. it was all nice to see. i feel Mizzou is a bit overrated and the same with Tech. call me crazy but our toughest game the rest of the year is the A&M game. I know that A&M is one of the worst teams in college football, but they have Colt's number and most importantly, scoreboard. Maybe Colt can turn his fortunes against A&M like he did against OU but I don't think its a foregone conclusion.
I wasn't banking on a NC anyways, I just wanted Colt to beat the rivals because we owed both of them bigtime and he is halfway home on that one. we beat the big brother rival now its time to beat the pesky little brother rival who has kicked our arse of late.
HOOK 'EM
I wasn't banking on a NC anyways, I just wanted Colt to beat the rivals because we owed both of them bigtime and he is halfway home on that one. we beat the big brother rival now its time to beat the pesky little brother rival who has kicked our arse of late.
HOOK 'EM
bah007
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Well OU fell 3 spots after the loss.
If Texas had lost I would have expected them to drop about 3 spots to #8.
Mr teX
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great game by the longhorns, i'm man enough to say that & eat my crow even though i don't like them at all. They played damn near a flawless game & got the breaks when they needed them. I knew OU would be ripe for an upset just b/c of how closely ranked the longhorns were to them & OU's recent performances in big games. Add in that it's a rivalry game & as everyone knows anything can happen.
While i'm sure lots of fans are happy that they are now ranked #1, the way the college football season has been thus far for the #1 ranked team, that might end up being a curse, especially with the target on their backs now.
While i'm sure lots of fans are happy that they are now ranked #1, the way the college football season has been thus far for the #1 ranked team, that might end up being a curse, especially with the target on their backs now.
TD
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Not to mention they have set up Oklahoma perfectly to jump back to 1 or 2 should Texas stumble.
This could very easily turn into a case of OU winding up one or two in the BCS standings at the end of the regular season, but not playing in the Big 12 Championship game. So then what? Drop OU down for no real reason like they did UGA last year? Let 'em stay 1 or 2 when they couldn't win the conference like OU did in 2003?
What a #$%#ed up system.
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True, but they would have just barely lost to the #1 team in the country in my scenario. Why would that make them the #8 team in the country? They didn't lose to all those other teams 6 teams. All that would tell us is they aren't the #1 team in the country and it doesn't tell us that they aren't better than those 6 other teams in front of them who in all likelyhood would be blown out by OU. If it took the #1 team in the country a last second field goal to beat them then it tells me Texas is closer to #2 than #8.
Just some food for thought exposing the ridiculous system of ranking.
Mr teX
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or................. that OU isn't as good as everyone thought they were in being the #1 team which would somewhat diminish Texas' win over them..especially if OU were to lose another game or two.
Alabama & USC for the NC..... Florida vs UT/OU in another BCS bowl
Texecutioner
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Man this was sweet!!!!
Mr teX
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Ok polls aside, what 5 teams are clearly better than they are? You could probably name maybe 1 & that's it. IMO USC can beat any of the current or past top 5 teams from this year on any given night b/c they just have too much talent... I also feel the same way about Florida.
Texecutioner
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I actually think that is what might be hurting them just a little bit. They know that have all of that talent and they continue to hear that they are so stacked, so it is almost like they just expect to win and think it will easily happen as oppose to feeling like they have to work their tails off to achieve success. I think that it hurts their hunger a bit.
That is also maybe a reason as to why I like what my Horns are doing this year. There aren't those celeb. types of players on their teams this year like in the past with Benson, Roy WIlliams, and Limas Sweed types, but the core guys in play making positions have just gotten it done and feel like they have a lot to prove every week while some of these other extra talented teams don't.
Maybe I'm wrong, but just my
In the Big 12 South alone I think that there are four teams that could line up and beat them on any given day on a neutral field. UT , OU , OSU and TT. Then you can add the rest of the country.
Their loss came from a team who wont sniff the top 25 .... When the BCS rankings come out , I'd bet that knocks them down the list below all the SEC one loss teams as well as OU and Mizzou based on SOS alone.
Mr teX
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I actually think that is what might be hurting them just a little bit. They know that have all of that talent and they continue to hear that they are so stacked, so it is almost like they just expect to win and think it will easily happen as oppose to feeling like they have to work their tails off to achieve success. I think that it hurts their hunger a bit.
That is also maybe a reason as to why I like what my Horns are doing this year. There aren't those celeb. types of players on their teams this year like in the past with Benson, Roy WIlliams, and Limas Sweed types, but the core guys in play making positions have just gotten it done and feel like they have a lot to prove every week while some of these other extra talented teams don't.
Maybe I'm wrong, but just my
certainly some truth to that as far as USC goes but we both may not agree as to how much of it is present. I mean it's not like they've lost 2-3 games this year, they lost 1 close game to a team on the road that apparently has had their number the last couple of years; kinda like you guys & A&M.
My point was more to the other poster saying that they were overated. USC isn't currently in the top 5 now, but they definitely are in the discussion.
Mr teX
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UT...maybe, certainly have the talent to pull it off.
OU...same as UT.
No way Missouri, OSU & TT can play with them, b/c they all lack defense.
& even still, those teams are not clearly better, if better at all than USC. You forget that USC absolutely stomped 2 ranked teams earlier this year themselves & I don't think any of those big 12 teams u named has played more than 1 ranked team & has either lost or barely won.
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They are #4 in the coaches poll .... the one that matters.
#5 in the Harris Poll
and #6 in the AP
Each of those polls has them ahead of three as well as once beaten teams from the SEC in LSU and Florida (two of three) and Georgia who easily play tougher competition.
A loss to a team who is outside the top 25 doesnt earn you a spot above those teams IMO.
Texecutioner
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Texas has the D to run the table. Muschamp has instilled that fire in this team, and just one the defensive side of the ball either. He has made many guys feel like they can do anything, and you are really seeing it in guys like SHipley and Cosby and now Obbania (Mis spell) as well. Sergio Kindle is just getting started as far as being a dominant play maker for this D His best football is yet to come, and just wait until Jared Norton gets more involved.
The offensive side of the ball will be determined upon how well the O line can continue to block for Colt and how many BIG plays can Colt consistently make. Colt has proven that he is a STUD and can answer over over and over, but Texas has to have more games where the D dominates and Colt isn't forced to be incredible just to win against some of these teams down the stretch that have really good offenses. Plus, it will be helpful when we get Fozzy Whitaker back which he should be this week against Missouri.
Texan_Bill
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As much as it pains me to say this, I was rooting you 'sips on. I would rather Texas win 7 days a week and twice on Sundays than to see OU win. Great game guys.
bah007
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I really don't care if Fozzy makes it back in time for Mizzou. He has been explosive in practice but we haven't seen anything from him against a real opponent.
Ogbonnaya deserves to be the man at running back. They gave him the shot. He earned it. He made the best of it.
Give Ogbonnaya the rock 20 times against Mizzou & let Cody Johnson handle it in short yardage.
Mizzou has speed on defense but they are soft. Hit em in the mouth with our two big guys.
Ogbonnaya deserves to be the man at running back. They gave him the shot. He earned it. He made the best of it.
Give Ogbonnaya the rock 20 times against Mizzou & let Cody Johnson handle it in short yardage.
Mizzou has speed on defense but they are soft. Hit em in the mouth with our two big guys.
Mr teX
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this is where we disagree...Texas' d didn't dominate anything Bradford pretty mcuh tore them apart. Both teams essentially had the same game plan on defense & IMO OU executed it a bit better Colt just made plays with his feet that bradford couldn't make & Stoops screwed the pooch on 2 seperate occasions.
It might be a tad bit tougher to pass rush & blitz on Daniels as he's more mobile than bradford & just about equal to bradford as a passer. I still think that UT will win though.
Other than that,
bah007
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Texas killed the OU running game. Killed it.
They made OU one-dimensional & that is why Bradford had so much passing yards.
Mr teX
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it's all subjective..After watching the games these past couple of weeks, Florida is the only team i 'd say could beat USC 2 out of 3 times. everyone else....
Texecutioner
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Well they were playing one of the best offenses in college football. Did you expect the Texas D to totally shut them down. No way that was going to happen. I don't think you realize how many young guys that have in that secondary that are playing at a really high level right now.
Earl Thomas is RS Freshman that just came away with two picks in that game and a few nice tackles. He will be the next Michael Griffin for them.
Chiki Brown is another Freshman I believe and has a lot of size for a CB. They still have Palmer, Aaron Williams who is a young stud and Beasley who can make things happen.
Blake Gideon is another really young safety as well.
This is a really young secondary, but they have worlds of talent and if Texas's pass rush can continue to be a good as it has, then this young secondary won't have to play lights out and things will come easier for them. Texas has as good of LB's as anyone in the country. Muckleroy, Kindle, and Norton are all studs that each have at least one more year there.
This win is going to give this D a lot more confidence, and don't sleep on the fact that they did have two key stops at the end of the game that showed some character and heart. Definitely something to continue to grow on.
Mr teX
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That's like saying you killed texas tech's rushing offense even though they're clearly a passing team....i.e. it doesn't really matter much in the grand scheme of their offense...at least not to the extent it did when they had Peterson. OU had been running the ball well, but by no means was the running game a major factor in how they ran their offense....
When you consider All but 1 game Bradford had 300+ passing yards & 3 TD's... they've been a passing team all year & that didn't change saturday.
Mr teX
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No, not knocking the young talent they had back there I figured that would be something that OU took advantage of & they did...I'm just saying that UT won that game saturday more b/c the offense kept up with OU's than it was Texas' defense stopping OU. At that point it was more of who blinked 1st & UT just outlasted them in that regard.
case in point, Every time OU seemingly was about to pull away Davis & McCoy put together a long scoring drive to kind of say " it's not over yet.."
bah007
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OU averaged 3.9 yards per carry coming into the game. Texas held them to 1.8.
OU averaged 179 rushing yards per game coming in. Texas held them to 48.
OU averaged 540 offensive yards per game coming in. Texas held them to 435.
Granted, they did throw for about their average in the air. But because they couldn't run, they couldn't use play action.
I give Bradford a ton of credit. He is a great QB. But in crunch time, the Texas D did what it had to do to win.
TD
Super Bowl Mascot
Fixed it for ya.....I thought I was only one thinking way overrated.
Blake
MMQB
Ohio St. went from 5 to 14 for losing to the #1 team. So if anyone is going to say that OU should only drop 3 spots for losing to the #1 team then they need to look at what happened to Ohio State.
The only difference is that Ohio State was overrated. They are winning games by 3 or 7 points to teams they should be crushing 52-10.
This is how I think the top 10 should be.
1.) Texas - Won all their games decisively and beat OU in the RRR.
2.) Alabama - Look strong in the running game and beat Georgia making it look easy.
3.) Penn State - Talented squad that has wins against Illinois, Purdue, Wisconsin.
4.) Florida - Only loss was by 1 point to SEC team Ole Miss and dominated LSU.
5.) BYU - High scoring offense who can score on anyone.
6.) Texas Tech - Another high scoring offense but a loss would drop them big time.
7.) Oklahoma State - Good QB play gives them an undefeated record and win against Mizzou.
8.) USC - Weak loss to OSU dropped them but they have a good chance of running the table on the rest of their schedule with a chance at the NCG.
9.) Oklahoma - No big wins yet, but a team that can beat anyone.
10.) Georgia - Talented QB and RB, but got ran over by Alabama and need more wins to move up the list.
The only difference is that Ohio State was overrated. They are winning games by 3 or 7 points to teams they should be crushing 52-10.
This is how I think the top 10 should be.
1.) Texas - Won all their games decisively and beat OU in the RRR.
2.) Alabama - Look strong in the running game and beat Georgia making it look easy.
3.) Penn State - Talented squad that has wins against Illinois, Purdue, Wisconsin.
4.) Florida - Only loss was by 1 point to SEC team Ole Miss and dominated LSU.
5.) BYU - High scoring offense who can score on anyone.
6.) Texas Tech - Another high scoring offense but a loss would drop them big time.
7.) Oklahoma State - Good QB play gives them an undefeated record and win against Mizzou.
8.) USC - Weak loss to OSU dropped them but they have a good chance of running the table on the rest of their schedule with a chance at the NCG.
9.) Oklahoma - No big wins yet, but a team that can beat anyone.
10.) Georgia - Talented QB and RB, but got ran over by Alabama and need more wins to move up the list.
Mr teX
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Huge difference there...Ohio State was absolutely crushed by USC. that showed that not only were they overrated, they didn't belong at all in the top 10 let alone 5....hence the huge drop.
& How on earth you guys can rank USC 8th & rank Florida #4 even though the exact same thing happened to Florida the same week & in the same fashion no less is beyond me. Especially since USC has already beaten 2 ranked teams & Florida only 1. They are the exact same team imo; a wealth of talent all over the field, great coaches, they both just had a hiccup. If you're placing a premium on SEC play, then UT shouldn't have jumped Alabama. I can't tell if you guys are being serious or biased in the sense that u just don't like USC.
I'm going by what i've seen thus far this season & I think these 5 in no specific order will wind up rising to the top in the end... Florida, USC, Alabama, Texas & OU make my top 5 with Penn State pushing Texas & OU hard.
Blake
MMQB
I disagree that you think Oregon State and Ole Miss are the same caliber of team.
Also as far as Alabama goes, I cant imagine any team deserving of the #1 spot for having a bye. You dont "advance to go" for being idle. Besides their win over Clemson and Auburn dont even look like quality wins at this point. Those teams are horrible.
Mr teX
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We can just agree to disagree, espcially since the BCS rankings aren't out yet...
threetoedpete
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Lot of good football players coming out of the south. Especially out of the Florida HS programs. Great athletes no doubt.
What I know for a fact there are a few fellows on the Cypress Bay HS defensive team still searching for the FB with the ball when Katy unleashed the wrap around draw on them. The last time I saw anything bite that hard it had a hook dangling out of it's mouth. They were so lost they could of been charged for admission to the game. Ball handling has become a lost art on all levels of football. More than a Utah Pass can be run in a second and long and third and long situation. And that one was for coach Mike Johnson were ever you are.