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markbeth said:
who was the coach that won the superbowl with the rams. that guy wasnt a in your face guy. he was laid back like kubes. maybe our guys can all find there happy place and we will turn into on big love train football machine.
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I take it you have never seen any footage on Dick Vermeil? That guy was a great coach so I wouldn't put Kubiak in his class of coaches.
 
Vinny said:
he's never had a winning season and he is looking 0-5 right in the face with the New improved Dolphins coming in to town...the same team that was worse than this team last year but they have Bill Parcells at the top of the helm and nobody has told him it takes a decade to make a team a viable playoff contender.
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stop bringing logic into the discussion.
 
Carr Bombed said:
No you just tried to compare Cowher to Kubiak....when again it isn't even comparable....go look what Cowher did in his first couple of seasons as coach.
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Actually I wasn't comparing Cowher to Kubiak at all...Not sure where you're getting that from...

I don't even know his history well enough to make that comparison...

Just pointing out that Cowher's teams haven't always been great. Very many average seasons during his tenure.
 
Vinny said:
he's never had a winning season and he is looking 0-5 right in the face with the New improved Dolphins coming in to town...the same team that was worse than this team last year but they have Bill Parcells at the top of the helm and nobody has told him it takes a decade to make a team a viable playoff contender.
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I guess if Kubiak isn't Parcells or some other great he sucks...

Guess we gotta start or search for the next legend....
 
Vinny said:
as just one example the Titans were arguably worse than we were several years ago and their cap problems were ten times the problem ours were. In the span of a few seasons they are competing for the playoffs and we are o-fer chumps at the back of the division once again as per usual.
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Ok, then we've reached "Kill'em All" status. Point the way sir, we'll storm the Bastille.
 
Polo said:
Actually I wasn't comparing Cowher to Kubiak at all...Not sure where you're getting that from...
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Polo said:
LOL @ you guys loving Cowher but wanting Kubiak gone after three years where he's steadily increased the record....

How many years of being "good but not great" did the Steelers endure with Cowher ?...
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Polo said:
I don't even know his history well enough to make that comparison...

Just pointing out that Cowher's teams haven't always been great. Very many average seasons during his tenure.
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What's your definition of average.......8-8 is the benchmark, if we go by that Cowher has had....

3 losing seasons

1 average season (not very many)

and 11 above average to great seasons. (he was just so consistently good that he made going to the playoffs year in and year out look average for him).

The guy is one of the best coaches to ever coach the game.
 
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It just occurred to me that Kubiak could have played QB himself and protected the freaking ball, lol.
 
Carr Bombed said:
What are you talking about...

In 15 years as a head coach of the Steelers, Cowher only had three losing seasons....the only thing the Steelers endured were good or great seasons (hardly ever any bad ones).

In Cowher’s 15 seasons, the Steelers won eight division titles, earned ten postseason playoff berths, appeared in six AFC Championship games and made two Super Bowl appearances.

Cowher and Kubiak aren't even comparable.
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Word.
 
powerfuldragon said:
i just expect a little temperance is all.
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There is not a football forum on the internet that wouldn't be critical of their team after yesterday. At least we talk about this instead of non stop cursing and ranting like I see in a lot of football forums. I'd call us a class act as a group compared to what I've seen at other teams forums after such grave disappointment.
 
mm. but calling for the firing of the head coach-- who just last year was viewed as someone deserving of placement in the pantheon-- makes me laugh just a little.
 
powerfuldragon said:
mm. but calling for the firing of the head coach-- who just last year was viewed as someone deserving of placement in the pantheon-- makes me laugh just a little.
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lots of individuals here so a "message board" doesn't call for anyone's head. Thinking one does makes me smile as well.
 
i'm quite proud of our head coach. this was hands down the most aggressive game he's called in his three years here. when you are aggressive you're going to win some, and loose some. he did a great job. the texans played the best they've ever played. they did a great job.

go texans!
 
barrett said:
i'm quite proud of our head coach. this was hands down the most aggressive game he's called in his three years here. when you are aggressive you're going to win some, and loose some. he did a great job. the texans played the best they've ever played. they did a great job.

go texans!
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Wow! Thanks Matt Millen.
 
After careful consideration, I am quite certain that we lost this game because the roof was open. All we have to do is close it for all our remaining home games. That should be easy enough. :photos:
 
Polo said:
Again...I was not comparing Kubiak to Cowher as a coach....

Not sure how you're not understanding that...
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Polo said:
LOL @ you guys loving Cowher but wanting Kubiak gone after three years where he's steadily increased the record....

How many years of being "good but not great" did the Steelers endure with Cowher?
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You ask everyone to look at Bill Cowher's body of work throughout the years because people are passing judgment on Kubiak so quickly, yet you don't want us to think you are comparing the two? I think you are the one who is not understanding.

But im sure you will continue to say you werent.
 
For some reason Kubes was left go I dont see use getting BC at all, I just dont think I see him coming to this team. I do see Schottenheimer if we tried to get him since his only demands would be to have his family members be on the staff.
 
LonerATO said:
I do see Schottenheimer if we tried to get him since his only demands would be to have his family members be on the staff.
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Atleast we would get to watch the staff mismanage playoff games instead of regular season games.....that's a improvement right?
 
Vinny said:
There is not a football forum on the internet that wouldn't be critical of their team after yesterday. At least we talk about this instead of non stop cursing and ranting like I see in a lot of football forums. I'd call us a class act as a group compared to what I've seen at other teams forums after such grave disappointment.
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Well, we get it from our owner.

Fred White: Law and order every time, that's us. (Quote from Tombstone)

Sorry, had to do that. Class act is neat, it's fuuuuun.
 
My whole point when I started this thread was simply this.........

Kubiak should have benched Sage after he failed to protect the ball the 2nd time......allowing it to happen once is one thing, you tell the guy, "Protect that ball!!" "Period". Once it happened twice, he should have put even a sick Shaub in the game. Allowing Sage to make the mistake the 3rd time was unacceptable. The last interception at the end was just Sage trying VERY hard to atone for his mistakes which I'm sure he saw his chances as a starter in the NFL fly out the window only moments before.....I probably would have been grasping at straws at that point myself.

Kubiak has to take some of the heat for this screw up.....Sage was not supposed to be there for the last fumble.
 
CrosbyTexansFan said:
My whole point when I started this thread was simply this.........

Kubiak should have benched Sage after he failed to protect the ball the 2nd time......allowing it to happen once is one thing, you tell the guy, "Protect that ball!!" "Period". Once it happened twice, he should have put even a sick Shaub in the game. Allowing Sage to make the mistake the 3rd time was unacceptable. The last interception at the end was just Sage trying VERY hard to atone for his mistakes which I'm sure he saw his chances as a starter in the NFL fly out the window only moments before.....I probably would have been grasping at straws at that point myself.

Kubiak has to take some of the heat for this screw up.....Sage was not supposed to be there for the last fumble.
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i dont think you ever had the flu. isnt that what he had. you cant hardly stand or walk, older people and kids die from it. you cant play football. if he went in the game it would be to hand the ball off. and at that point we were down by 4. now we could of put him in and let him hand the ball off before the helecopter move. that would of worked.
 
CrosbyTexansFan said:
My whole point when I started this thread was simply this.........

Kubiak should have benched Sage after he failed to protect the ball the 2nd time......allowing it to happen once is one thing, you tell the guy, "Protect that ball!!" "Period". Once it happened twice, he should have put even a sick Shaub in the game. Allowing Sage to make the mistake the 3rd time was unacceptable. The last interception at the end was just Sage trying VERY hard to atone for his mistakes which I'm sure he saw his chances as a starter in the NFL fly out the window only moments before.....I probably would have been grasping at straws at that point myself.

Kubiak has to take some of the heat for this screw up.....Sage was not supposed to be there for the last fumble.
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Probably the most illogical, nonsensical take in this entire clusterfvck of a thread.

You realize that Schaub had a viral infection, right? His attention was most likely focused on not throwing up or crapping his pants on the sideline, and you want him coming into the game in that condition?
 
CrosbyTexansFan said:
My whole point when I Allowing Sage to make the mistake the 3rd time was unacceptable. The last interception at the end was just Sage trying VERY hard to atone for his mistakes which I'm sure he saw his chances as a starter in the NFL fly out the window only moments before.....I probably would have been grasping at straws at that point myself.
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There's a reason you didn't see a Texans receiver anywhere near that ball, and if you read the postgame quotes you'd know what that reason is.

It had nothing to do with Sage trying too hard.
 
markbeth said:
i dont think you ever had the flu. isnt that what he had. you cant hardly stand or walk, older people and kids die from it. you cant play football. if he went in the game it would be to hand the ball off. and at that point we were down by 4. now we could of put him in and let him hand the ball off before the helecopter move. that would of worked.
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if he was that sick then he shouldnt have been suited up with earpiece in ear and looking like he was ready to go. I love how we only carry two QB's on this team when we have a lame **** RB on the PS
 
LonerATO said:
For some reason Kubes was left go I dont see use getting BC at all, I just dont think I see him coming to this team. I do see Schottenheimer if we tried to get him since his only demands would be to have his family members be on the staff.
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Listening to Cowhers comments on the post game show, and seeing his "demeanor" while commenting that having Rosenfels handle the ball instead of using the running backs was the wrong thing to do, I just got the impression that he would love the chance to come here and coach. ( Wow, what a long sentence.)

Now after saying that, I still think it is too early to give up on Kubiak.

Except for Rosenfels two boneheaded plays, our Texans played one hell of a game.

The Buffalo debacle was a series of one blunder after another for about one and a half quarters, to a backup qb no less.

I have mentioned in another thread, and I think so has Vinny,...that right now this team is a training ground for coaches. It's a painful process to watch.

I've also mentioned in another thread that I expect the tuna and company to produce a winning/playoff team before the Texans do. So I am not looking forward to next week.

As much as this loss pizzed me off, I haven't gone to plan B.... yet.

:gotexans1



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Mailman said:
Probably the most illogical, nonsensical take in this entire clusterfvck of a thread.

You realize that Schaub had a viral infection, right? His attention was most likely focused on not throwing up or crapping his pants on the sideline, and you want him coming into the game in that condition?
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If it worked, we wouldn't care if he crapped and vomited all over the place.
 
LonerATO said:
if he was that sick then he shouldnt have been suited up with earpiece in ear and looking like he was ready to go. I love how we only carry two QB's on this team when we have a lame **** RB on the PS
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your right that was a huge blunder.
 
I was eating lunch with a lady today and she brought up the Texans (because she is awsome) and she said that before Sage blew it Schaub looked worried on the sidelines the whole time and actually look relivied when the Texans lost sinceh is job was secure.

Matt Sanchez in 2009 anyone?
 
Ok, I thought about it for one day. I now say Kubiak has to go. His playcalling is terrible. I mean, why in the hell did he call those two fumbles in the 4th quarter? That was the last thing we needed. Then, we still had a chance to win at the end, and what does he do? He calls a freaking interception play! What's with this guy?

"It's not the X's and O's, it's the Steves and the Joes" - NFL Network Guy
 
Can we move the college football talk somewhere else? Maybe the NCAA football forum?
 
During the 2-14 season, I found myself changing the channels during
Texans games. It was obvious the team had quit. Kubiak came in, and
basically kicked all of the old guys out, and brought in some newer "old"
players. He's also drafted 10x better than the Casserly/Capers regime.
I don't hold the previous 4 years on Kubiak.

Kubiak is in his third year as Coach/Co-GM, and the improvement in talent
and play on the field is already apparent. As young as this team is, you watch
for improvement in play, not just the win/loss column.

I understand that many people watch games, and only see the "bottom line."
The front office, the coaching staff, the players, must and will maintain a
focus on their improvement as players, as coaches, as a team.

I see the improvement, because I recognize Bob Mcnair is a long-term
investor. You only fire the GM and Coach when it becomes obvious
that improvement is no longer occuring. Just two years ago, Jeff Fisher
and Jack DelRio were on the "hotseat." Now, they are "great coaches."

Did the Carolina Panthers give up on John Fox after the crappy season
they had last year? Now look at them. By the way, one reason Kubiak
believes Schaub is a better option than Sage, is because Gary does
not like to remove the "deep ball" from his playbook, as he often does
when Sage is at the helm.

Another reason for this, I can just sum up in one word....

HELICOPTER
 
DexmanC said:
During the 2-14 season, I found myself changing the channels during
Texans games. It was obvious the team had quit. Kubiak came in, and
basically kicked all of the old guys out, and brought in some newer "old"
players. He's also drafted 10x better than the Casserly/Capers regime.
I don't hold the previous 4 years on Kubiak.

Kubiak is in his third year as Coach/Co-GM, and the improvement in talent
and play on the field is already apparent. As young as this team is, you watch
for improvement in play, not just the win/loss column.

I understand that many people watch games, and only see the "bottom line."
The front office, the coaching staff, the players, must and will maintain a
focus on their improvement as players, as coaches, as a team.

I see the improvement, because I recognize Bob Mcnair is a long-term
investor. You only fire the GM and Coach when it becomes obvious
that improvement is no longer occuring. Just two years ago, Jeff Fisher
and Jack DelRio were on the "hotseat." Now, they are "great coaches."

Did the Carolina Panthers give up on John Fox after the crappy season
they had last year? Now look at them. By the way, one reason Kubiak
believes Schaub is a better option than Sage, is because Gary does
not like to remove the "deep ball" from his playbook, as he often does
when Sage is at the helm.

Another reason for this, I can just sum up in one word....

HELICOPTER
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Forget it man, the hire Cower, Marty, or any random name crowd doesn't want to listen to logic. I understand where they are coming from and I want to this team to win too. Something to keep in mind though it took the Fisher about five years to break into a winning season, if memory serves.
 
DexmanC said:
During the 2-14 season, I found myself changing the channels during
Texans games. It was obvious the team had quit. Kubiak came in, and
basically kicked all of the old guys out, and brought in some newer "old"
players. He's also drafted 10x better than the Casserly/Capers regime.
I don't hold the previous 4 years on Kubiak.

Kubiak is in his third year as Coach/Co-GM, and the improvement in talent
and play on the field is already apparent. As young as this team is, you watch
for improvement in play, not just the win/loss column.

I understand that many people watch games, and only see the "bottom line."
The front office, the coaching staff, the players, must and will maintain a
focus on their improvement as players, as coaches, as a team.

I see the improvement, because I recognize Bob Mcnair is a long-term
investor. You only fire the GM and Coach when it becomes obvious
that improvement is no longer occuring. Just two years ago, Jeff Fisher
and Jack DelRio were on the "hotseat." Now, they are "great coaches."

Did the Carolina Panthers give up on John Fox after the crappy season
they had last year? Now look at them. By the way, one reason Kubiak
believes Schaub is a better option than Sage, is because Gary does
not like to remove the "deep ball" from his playbook, as he often does
when Sage is at the helm.

Another reason for this, I can just sum up in one word....

HELICOPTER
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:goodpost:
 
DexmanC said:
During the 2-14 season, I found myself changing the channels during
Texans games. It was obvious the team had quit. Kubiak came in, and
basically kicked all of the old guys out, and brought in some newer "old"
players. He's also drafted 10x better than the Casserly/Capers regime.
I don't hold the previous 4 years on Kubiak.

Kubiak is in his third year as Coach/Co-GM, and the improvement in talent
and play on the field is already apparent. As young as this team is, you watch
for improvement in play, not just the win/loss column.

I understand that many people watch games, and only see the "bottom line."
The front office, the coaching staff, the players, must and will maintain a
focus on their improvement as players, as coaches, as a team.

I see the improvement, because I recognize Bob Mcnair is a long-term
investor. You only fire the GM and Coach when it becomes obvious
that improvement is no longer occuring. Just two years ago, Jeff Fisher
and Jack DelRio were on the "hotseat." Now, they are "great coaches."

Did the Carolina Panthers give up on John Fox after the crappy season
they had last year? Now look at them. By the way, one reason Kubiak
believes Schaub is a better option than Sage, is because Gary does
not like to remove the "deep ball" from his playbook, as he often does
when Sage is at the helm.

Another reason for this, I can just sum up in one word....

HELICOPTER
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i just felt this needed to be repeated.

with the direction of the forum this season it seems like most would sacrifice a limb to sell the team to al davis. attitude, identity, a new coach every other year, criminal records. the fastest man with time spent in huntsville on the field and a coach that's brett favre in week 4 and dom capers in week 5.

the irony is the name that keeps coming up - cowher. 3 coaches in 40 years ... oops. "fire cowher" hit it's peak in 03 ... what happened when the rooneys played football? "one for the thumb". i'm fully aware of my appearance as both a mcnair and kubiak appologist, but i'll take any and all abuse if it takes focus away from a team barely 2 years old. browns, jags, and panthers are 7-8 years older than our original start date. our previous regime couldnt have been worse and noone's going to argue on richard smith's behalf ... we got nailed to the wall with the initial draft, the first staff drove a stake through our hearts, and now we have to start 6 players from square one. **** happens and the fans are cleaning it up.

we're putting up points. our core is growing. we have 3 legit pro-bowlers (AJ, mario, demeco). dunta robinson healthy WOULD win atleast 2 of our games. we've lost our home opener and bye week due to mother nature and had to make due with the cards delt ... this season to date is the football equivelant of "you're screwed".

what i'm tired of hearing is "losing mentality". those two words combine for the singularly dumbest statement a fan can make. seriously, if you've uttered that statement, retract it - anyone with a lick of sense has just lost all respect ... unless of course you've personally bought ice-cream for everyone after the junior homecoming game.

we lack talent, we lack experience, we lack 15 years of drafting, we lack a coach inheriting a complete team (replacing 40 players sucks). get over it. we've grown by leaps and bounds, while that's been from laughing stock to mediocrity and screwups, we are becoming a team. be a texan.
 
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RTP2110 said:
Then, we still had a chance to win at the end, and what does he do? He calls a freaking interception play! What's with this guy?
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This has got to be the most silly post I've read in a long time. He calls an interception play... uhmm....?
 
Now, wait a minute. I have to defend those interception calls, because you have to admit that we never give up sacks on those. Not one fumble either.
 
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