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I may be wrong but with economy going south folks may decide it's not worth the money . I'm sure you'll have your diehards but I bet some fans make sacrifices in other areas in order to go to games .
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Fire Kubiak
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I may be wrong but with economy going south folks may decide it's not worth the money . I'm sure you'll have your diehards but I bet some fans make sacrifices in other areas in order to go to games .
LonerATO
All Pro
Actually most normal fans cant pay the ticket prices now so makes no difference and can we please stop bringing in the economy into these threads as it is a step away from reality for me.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
The stadium was about 80% full today. If we lose next week I fully expect 50% capacity, at the most, for the Lions.
Some reporter said that on ESPN.com. He also said that this was the biggest regular season comeback with 5 minutes to go in NFL history.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
What a freakin mess .
Porky
Hall of Fame
After today, I'm ready to fire the peanut vendor on the mezzanine level. This team sucks from the top down, and like any rotting corpse, you start by cutting off the head. That means you Mcnair. Sell this franchise to someone who knows what it takes to put a winner on the field. I have about had it with the whole bunch of you losers.
I'll make it simple - Fire them all.
And start with Sage, who should have his walking papers tomorrow morning.
utahmark
markbeth
he didnt call a pass play. it was a bootleg and he told sage not to throw it. and on the next series you want to just run it 3 times up the middle and give payton the ball back with 2 min left against our defense. glad your not the coach.
LonerATO
All Pro
Colts could have scored a td on that drive if we kicked it but then they would have had to go for an onside kick to get the ball back so we could have run the clock out.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
That is exactly what he should have done. Its 27-17 with 4 minutes left and the Colts without a time out. Its a two score game at that point and except for that last drive that the D went into prevent, we had stopped them all day.
Thats how you win games in the NFL.
Instead we lost this game b/c of one man. Two fumbles and a pick in 4 minutes.
imatexan
All Pro
Place was full at one point, end of story. Not the whole game or anything like that but the showing was great.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
What place was full? The stadium at no point was full. It was loud, but not full.
utahmark
markbeth
you guys dont seem to understand. he ran the ball 3 straight times when we were up by 10. the play sage went airborn was a designed run. the next series we didnt run, we tried to get a first down. as we should have.
Blake
MMQB
Ill throw in my 2 cents.
Sage had a good game. He had a monuments collapse, but overall I liked what I saw. We were a real offense during the first 56 minutes.
Sage trying to pull a John Elway in the Superbowl, then getting striped, then throwing a pick was just plain sloppy.
But Sage at the helm and getting beat by a furious comeback is better than Schaub at the helm and never even having the lead.
Let me say that again...
But Sage at the helm and getting beat by a furious comeback is better than Schaub at the helm and never even having the lead.
Personally I would have ran the ball and made the defense stop me first. We were running the ball well all day and should have kept that up. Then if I did have to punt, or give the ball back for whatever reason make their offense work their way down the field if they want points.
On the 2nd fumble, tell me again why we trusted a QB who just got obliterated with the football? Dont we have running backs who's job it is to secure the football to give it to? Make the colts use their last timeout, and the 2 minute warning. Run more time off the clock and kick it if you have to. Hell, maybe Slaton gets us a first down and game over. If not then punt it and hope that we can hold them.
I was wondering where the other 10 players were when Sage was running down the field and fumbled. Maybe they should focus on being aware of where the football is and try to be around it in case it does pop out? Just thinking out loud.
Im going to blame this loss on poor game management skills. Sage is my starter from now on, but learn from this and secure the win next time. Dont get cute and dont throw/run with the QB when up by 17 points with 4 minutes to go.
Sage had a good game. He had a monuments collapse, but overall I liked what I saw. We were a real offense during the first 56 minutes.
Sage trying to pull a John Elway in the Superbowl, then getting striped, then throwing a pick was just plain sloppy.
But Sage at the helm and getting beat by a furious comeback is better than Schaub at the helm and never even having the lead.
Let me say that again...
But Sage at the helm and getting beat by a furious comeback is better than Schaub at the helm and never even having the lead.
Personally I would have ran the ball and made the defense stop me first. We were running the ball well all day and should have kept that up. Then if I did have to punt, or give the ball back for whatever reason make their offense work their way down the field if they want points.
On the 2nd fumble, tell me again why we trusted a QB who just got obliterated with the football? Dont we have running backs who's job it is to secure the football to give it to? Make the colts use their last timeout, and the 2 minute warning. Run more time off the clock and kick it if you have to. Hell, maybe Slaton gets us a first down and game over. If not then punt it and hope that we can hold them.
I was wondering where the other 10 players were when Sage was running down the field and fumbled. Maybe they should focus on being aware of where the football is and try to be around it in case it does pop out? Just thinking out loud.
Im going to blame this loss on poor game management skills. Sage is my starter from now on, but learn from this and secure the win next time. Dont get cute and dont throw/run with the QB when up by 17 points with 4 minutes to go.
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Stampede
Waterboy
Because Houston is the twilight zone of professional football.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
LOL at furious comeback. This game was given away by a team that makes idiotic coaching decisions and has no clue what it takes to win in the NFL. Last week Kubiak blows it on the 4th downs as he panics in the 3rd period by passing up the FG's and destroys our teams chances later in the game. Then this week he gives up the biggest lead ever in the history of NFL regulation with 4 mins left because he can't run the ball 3 times and punt or kick a field goal. He didn't have to "win the game" at that point...just not lose it. pathetic.
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
why in the hell was Kubiak even attempt a pass when youve been having so much succes with the running game im reffering to the last 5 minutes we Definitely need Bill Cowher a coach that knows how to run a damn football team.
You're the same guy who would ***** for a month if Kudes had run the ball up the middle every play and we had lost. You cant coast on Indy, they have scary offensive potential when you give them too many chances. He called a great game, one man just completly gave this game away. Period.
I agree with Kaiser, by no means was it full, shoot, 1/2 way thru the 2nd qtr. I told my wife that this being the home opener and the Colts in town, I would have thought it would have been packed....I am sorry, it was not full at all, and the 80% # sounds about right !!
RTP2110
All Pro
It was a full house from what I saw. Most people missing in the bottom 2 sections were in the concourses, staying out of the sun.
But to stay on topic, I don't think GK should be fired. I think he has a lot to learn, but he will get there.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I actually think the play action pass where the ball was fumbled and returned for a TD was a good call. Sage just tried to do something unnecessary and stupid.
Change is not always a good thing unless you are talking about our current DC. Sometimes there is something to be said for keeping the same folks together. Change means becoming accustomed to a whole new way of doing things.....again.
While I will admit that yesterday was the first time in lo these many years I even thought about selling/not renewing my psls - I also think that we are close. Not close enough, but close. We have played two games where we hung in there with the big guys. Yes, we blew it...twice - but we did hang in there until the end. All we have to do now is learn to finish it out.
Before I get jumped on by 4000 folks - just think of years' past when we weren't even playing the same game - we weren't even on the same field - we weren't even a real NFL team. Now, we are playing like a real NFL team...for 55 minutes anyway. That is an improvement in and of itself.
While I'm playing Pollyanna...I thought the crowd was fantastic yesterday. There wasn't a mass exodus at the end of the third quarter, the stands looked pretty full from my vantage point, and we were loud - really loud.
While I will admit that yesterday was the first time in lo these many years I even thought about selling/not renewing my psls - I also think that we are close. Not close enough, but close. We have played two games where we hung in there with the big guys. Yes, we blew it...twice - but we did hang in there until the end. All we have to do now is learn to finish it out.
Before I get jumped on by 4000 folks - just think of years' past when we weren't even playing the same game - we weren't even on the same field - we weren't even a real NFL team. Now, we are playing like a real NFL team...for 55 minutes anyway. That is an improvement in and of itself.
While I'm playing Pollyanna...I thought the crowd was fantastic yesterday. There wasn't a mass exodus at the end of the third quarter, the stands looked pretty full from my vantage point, and we were loud - really loud.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I agree with your take, but I have been here before with this team and see the same thing about to happen. Next week is a must win, I hope someone echoes that in the locker room or on the staff. Anyone that does not feel that way is way to comfortable.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Did you watch the Jax game? Schaub got the lead repeatedly. Last time I looked Schaub doesn't play corneback. Lame, lame, lame excuses by our lame, lame, lame fanbase so used to losing that when they are handed a spam sandwich covered in dogcrap, they are just happy it wasn't pissed on to boot.
utahmark
markbeth
he better get there quick.
dskillz
Waterboy
I think the issue is that Kubiak is learning on the job. Yet fans are being asked to pay and be patient until he gets it. Not sure as an owner I would be fine with this too much longer. I would think it would be worth a call to Bill Cowher just to see what his price tag would be.
If you look at results, this regime is no better than the Capers one. We all want to rag on Dom and Charley, but the high mark for them was 7-9, The high mark for Kubiak so far has been 8-8. Not much difference when you look at results.
If you look at results, this regime is no better than the Capers one. We all want to rag on Dom and Charley, but the high mark for them was 7-9, The high mark for Kubiak so far has been 8-8. Not much difference when you look at results.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I can't believe anyone would want this Kubiak guy as the head coach any more after what we've seen this season. Folks in here talking about "Well we looked like a real football team". That is purely sad that any fans would be content to say something like that about a team and a coach in it's third season under this regime. That is about as bad of a loser mentality as you can get.
Under Capers we went 7-9 and then had our really poor season after that. Well right now we're 0-4 and have completely found ways to lose games. That completely tells you that their is still a losing culture here and Kubiak has not changed anything. He hasn't brought any swagger here, he hasn't made our running game any better like everyone proclaimed. All he's done is come up with excuses and and made several coaching blunders this season. Other teams don't constantly do this. Hell, Miami and Atlanta have already improved more than we have and Atlanta is playing with a rookie QB for god sakes.
We're right there with the Lions and have been since year one of this franchise. That is the truth, and I don't care who argues that or what kind of homers jump to the defense. Look at the records from year to year and we've got a few more wins and that's it.
Until we get a real head coach in here that can change this culture and develops a REFUSE TO LOSE mentality, the Texas will still be disappointing people like this and floating around at best. I haven't liked Kubiak since the end of year one, and being 0-4 going into year 3 is full proof that this guy isn't the guy to get us out of the cellar. I don't care about what any QB did or didn't do, the team still finds ways to lose and good teams that are well coached don't consistently do that. They find ways to win, not the opposite.
Under Capers we went 7-9 and then had our really poor season after that. Well right now we're 0-4 and have completely found ways to lose games. That completely tells you that their is still a losing culture here and Kubiak has not changed anything. He hasn't brought any swagger here, he hasn't made our running game any better like everyone proclaimed. All he's done is come up with excuses and and made several coaching blunders this season. Other teams don't constantly do this. Hell, Miami and Atlanta have already improved more than we have and Atlanta is playing with a rookie QB for god sakes.
We're right there with the Lions and have been since year one of this franchise. That is the truth, and I don't care who argues that or what kind of homers jump to the defense. Look at the records from year to year and we've got a few more wins and that's it.
Until we get a real head coach in here that can change this culture and develops a REFUSE TO LOSE mentality, the Texas will still be disappointing people like this and floating around at best. I haven't liked Kubiak since the end of year one, and being 0-4 going into year 3 is full proof that this guy isn't the guy to get us out of the cellar. I don't care about what any QB did or didn't do, the team still finds ways to lose and good teams that are well coached don't consistently do that. They find ways to win, not the opposite.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
the whole thing is that this is Year 3. 3 years is what you get in the NFL. If you can't turn it around in 3 years, find someone who can. Kubiak was a lowball cheap hire who had local ties and that was how it was sold to the public. The guy even had to tell McNair he was willing to work with David Carr as his starter with the max team option.
gary is a great guy and a good coordinator, but its painfully obvious he is a below average head coach and when head coaching is so damn important in the NFL, you can't have a guy like Kubiak as your head coach. Get someone who can get the job done.
People are starting to promote Marty Schottenheimer as a possible replacement. I have been more on the Cowher bandwagon but I think Marty may be a more likely guy due to Cowher pretty much having his choice of gigs.
Seattle is going to have an opening. Cincy and KC maybe. Detroit. St.Louis. Houston. Cleveland. maybe even Green Bay has a GM and HC job available after their Favre debacle. Dallas could even be looking. That is a lot of jobs. Cowher may not feel Houston is the best fit. Marty may be willing to accept the challenge (and the huge $$) and come here and make it happen.
gary is a great guy and a good coordinator, but its painfully obvious he is a below average head coach and when head coaching is so damn important in the NFL, you can't have a guy like Kubiak as your head coach. Get someone who can get the job done.
People are starting to promote Marty Schottenheimer as a possible replacement. I have been more on the Cowher bandwagon but I think Marty may be a more likely guy due to Cowher pretty much having his choice of gigs.
Seattle is going to have an opening. Cincy and KC maybe. Detroit. St.Louis. Houston. Cleveland. maybe even Green Bay has a GM and HC job available after their Favre debacle. Dallas could even be looking. That is a lot of jobs. Cowher may not feel Houston is the best fit. Marty may be willing to accept the challenge (and the huge $$) and come here and make it happen.
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Polo
Guest
LOL @ you guys loving Cowher but wanting Kubiak gone after three years where he's steadily increased the record....
How many years of being "good but not great" did the Steelers endure with Cowher ?
Oh how quickly we forget the wonderful years of Kordell Stewart...
How many years of being "good but not great" did the Steelers endure with Cowher ?
Oh how quickly we forget the wonderful years of Kordell Stewart...
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Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
steadily increasing the record? since when is having zero wins increasing the record?
its fine though. if you think Kubiak has proven to you that he can lead a team to the playoffs and build a winner, that is fine. I ain't buying it though. He has done nothing to show me that he will get the job done. Knowing that, I feel we need to find someone who can.
as for how many years of being good but not great did the Steelers endure under Cowher? how is that even relevant. are you saying the Texans have had good but not great seasons under Kubiak? are you seriously saying that?
we are the laughingstock of the league right about now...who is going to want to come here? who is going to want to stay here? this is a sideshow spectacle of losing football.
I like Gary and its not all on him, but he has not shown anything to merit him getting a 4th year. Maybe they can turn it around this year, but that time has pretty much come and gone. If Gary can find a way to lead this team to 5 wins or more, maybe he gets a short leash next year and is kept around, but I think 5 wins is a bit optimistic.
I am thinking 3-13 right about now....maybe even 2-14. a loss like this just destroys a team's morale and with us having no bye week, there is no real opportunity to regroup and start anew. this was just the beginning of a true marathon and we just got kicked in the nuts.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
The problem is that we've never been considered good.
We were lucky to be 8-8 last year. We've started 0-4 here. We have not won a game yet this season and we are about to hit the second week of October. Kubiak has made bonehead coaching/gameplan decisions in every game thus far. If Kubiak doesn't drastically turn this thing around I think he should be fired. He has shown nothing as a HC. He may not be as inept as Capers, but what is that really saying? He was supposed to be the QB guy. The guy to get our QBs ready to play, yet he has failed with Carr, Rosenfels, and Schaub is still a toss up.
There is no excuse for what happened yesterday and to hear Kubiak in the PC with his "Aww shucks, it coulda gone either way" approach to the loss was troubling. No way we should have lost that football game. The fact that Kubiak called a rollout in the situation is beyond me. Nonetheless, he is talking about how that could have been a great play but it just didn't go our way.
His record: 14-22. I doubt we get more than 5 or 6 wins this year.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
But Polo, nothing spells 'stabilitly' like having three HC's in less than 10 years..
so in the name of 'stabilitly' we are supposed to keep Gary around irregardless of performance and record? is that what you are saying?
TexanBill, let me just throw this out there to ya. we may not agree on a lot but your a knowledgeable and passionate fan. if the Texans were to go 0-16 would you welcome Gary back? if the Texans go 1-15 do you feel Kubiak should be brought back? if the Texans go 2-14 do you feel Kubiak should be brought back? Is there even a finite number that you could point to as the barometer of Kubiak being the Texans HC in 2009?
I just want to know if there is any way that you would feel Kubiak should be fired this season. I am not joking or making light of your opinion. I just want to know if there is any scenario where you would feel Gary could be justifiably fired in your own mind.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
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TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Just because it has happened in the past doesn't mean we should hang on to Kubiak. It's not just the record. The guy makes game changing mistakes constantly, and the whole reason he was brought here (QBs) has proven to be an overrated attribute of Kubiak's, to say the least.
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Polo
Guest
Since when did a season = 4 games ?
Anyways...My post had very little to do with Kubiak and more with the irrational notion that we'd be much better off with Cowher...
Tedc
Hardheaded
Fixed it for ya.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Not sure that is irrational. It's a mentality.
GP
Go Texans!
Yeah, but players (in the end) don't care to "win one for the coach," not anymore. Not in this day and age, the marketing era of sports.
Kubiak can't rally the troops on this, I'm afraid. I think the players take on the persona of their coach. And it can't be shaken when it's become the norm for 3 years. It's an issue of repeated behavioral patterns...which ultimately produce a climate that guides the gameday experience for those guys.
Marty comes across as a pre-Patriots Belichick kind of HC. He fell short in KC, and fell short in San Diego. But...who knows what happens on the next time around.
I'm with Cowher for first choice in my pipe-dream HC candidacy, then it's Marty after him. We need a proven HC to take our guys to the next level. I'd hate to see us waste any more of certain players' careers for the sake of mediocrity.
GP
Go Texans!
Bengals had 2-3 seasons of productive football under Lewis. But, his turn-around is tarnished due to situations and circumstances that have now led the team to a state of total regression (cancerous locker room, for one).
I've seen columns by writers who theorize the Lions ownership is the real problem with the organization. Could be.
Cardinals? On the field, they seem to be a pretty close reflection of the Texans.
I think our problem is two-fold: Ownership AND On-the-field chemistry.
At this stage, with what I am seeing from McNair, we're only going to get better if it's by a stroke of pure luck: Right people at the right time.
And we know how that works at the craps table in Vegas...you can shake the dice in your hand, have your girlfriend bless the dice, and do all the body language you want as the dice roll down the table...in the end, it don't matter.
That's how it is thus far. As much as people say Kubiak is learning on the job, I'd say the same of our owner. The Carr exten$ion was a lesson learned. I'm hoping the Kubiak experiment is a lesson learned, too.
Give this much to Bob: When he gives the rope to his players and coaches, he gives enough of it to...well, I won't say it. But it's true: Bob sticks with a decision and lets it play all the way out. I don't know if that's good or bad, in the end, but it's how he seems to prefer doing football business.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
What are you talking about...
In 15 years as a head coach of the Steelers, Cowher only had three losing seasons....the only thing the Steelers endured were good or great seasons (hardly ever any bad ones).
In Cowher’s 15 seasons, the Steelers won eight division titles, earned ten postseason playoff berths, appeared in six AFC Championship games and made two Super Bowl appearances.
Cowher and Kubiak aren't even comparable.
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Polo
Guest
If you're not going to comprehend what you read it's no fun.
Nowhere did I imply that the Steelers had a lot of "losing" seasons....
Hasn't Kubes only had one losing season ?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Out of two? That is the basis of what you're trying to use to stick up for Kubiak. "Oh well he's only had one losing season". Well count this one as well. Anyone that isn't upset about being 0-4 doesn't have a winning bone in their body.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
No you just tried to compare Cowher to Kubiak....when again it isn't even comparable....go look what Cowher did in his first couple of seasons as coach.
On to your question though, yes Kubiak has only had 1 losing season so far, but your kidding yourself if you really think this isn't going to be another one or a step back for Kubiak.......that will then be 2 losing seasons out of 3 years. Cowher didn't have his second losing season until year 8 after that he went on to coach another 7 seasons where he only had 1 losing year.
FirstTexansFan
The Unknown Fan
Not defending anyone here, as I really don't have an answer to what we witnessed yesterday other than shock, but, if we use your gauge of free agency as a measuring stick to where this team could be. Shouldn't we look at what cap money was available? From what I've read here, we haven't had that money to go after players that could actually help us, so we've taken players we can fit into the cap scheme. Again, from reading on these forums, we are supposed to have that cap money this coming year.
My emotions at this time are "Kill'em all let God sort'em out", but my common sense tells me, we can't replace the coach and front office every three years and expect good results either.
I'm sure I've over simplified the issue, but I saw ONE man fumble twice, and throw an interception yesterday. Coaching my very well be the issue, but no coach can actually PLAY the game, he can only watch from the sidelines, and hope that his players don't screw the pooch.
Maybe Gary is unable to inspire them to greater heights. Maybe our GM can't find a decent free agent acquisition. Maybe our owner is dumber than a bag of rocks. Maybe we all need to find a new hobby. I think I am, because my old heart can't take too much more of that crap we saw yesterday.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
he's never had a winning season and he is looking 0-5 right in the face with the New improved Dolphins coming in to town...the same team that was worse than this team last year but they have Bill Parcells at the top of the helm and nobody has told him it takes a decade to make a team a viable playoff contender.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
as just one example the Titans were arguably worse than we were several years ago and their cap problems were ten times the problem ours were. In the span of a few seasons they are competing for the playoffs and we are o-fer chumps at the back of the division once again as per usual.
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