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but these people are calling it a dark cloudy rainy day when in reality it’s an obvious bright blue clear sunny day.We have trained ourselves think that every silver lining has a dark cloud.
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but these people are calling it a dark cloudy rainy day when in reality it’s an obvious bright blue clear sunny day.We have trained ourselves think that every silver lining has a dark cloud.
AmenChrist almighty I can't believe some of the people in this thread. We're rid of Watson, we got a shitload of picks, we have a HC who's been a HC in a SB before. WTF else do yall want? There hasn't been this much reason for optimism in freaking decades. I don't know what they'll do with all of it, but damn this off season has more potential to it than we've had in years.
This x 100.Christ almighty I can't believe some of the people in this thread. We're rid of Watson, we got a shitload of picks, we have a HC who's been a HC in a SB before. WTF else do yall want? There hasn't been this much reason for optimism in freaking decades. I don't know what they'll do with all of it, but damn this off season has more potential to it than we've had in years.
And all we all see is one maybe two posters who will whine, biotch, piss and moan about anything to do with the Houston Texans.Christ almighty I can't believe some of the people in this thread. We're rid of Watson, we got a shitload of picks, we have a HC who's been a HC in a SB before. WTF else do yall want? There hasn't been this much reason for optimism in freaking decades. I don't know what they'll do with all of it, but damn this off season has more potential to it than we've had in years.
I take offense. Perhaps you aren’t talking about me.And all we all see is one maybe two posters who will whine, biotch, piss and moan about anything to do with the Houston Texans.
and let’s be fair, we ALL give it to the team when they deserve it, we all piss, ***** and moan etc but there‘s just no longer anything about this to be upset about. I think we all agree we would’ve all liked a 2nd or a player added but it’s been stated over and over and over why we really should be good with this and move on. It’s odd some have their heels that dug in, not calling anyone out, to each their own but damnAnd all we all see is one maybe two posters who will whine, biotch, piss and moan about anything to do with the Houston Texans.
Exactly.and let’s be fair, we ALL give it to the team when they deserve it, we all piss, ***** and moan etc but there‘s just no longer anything about this to be upset about. I think we all agree we would’ve all liked a 2nd or a player added but it’s been stated over and over and over why we really should be good with this and move on. It’s odd some have their heels that dug in, not calling anyone out, to each their own but damn
I don’t think he’s talking about you brother Thunder.I take offense. Perhaps you aren’t talking about me.
I’m pro Texans, at least I think I am. I’m not very high on Cal. I’m not very high on Caserio.
I’m optimistic about Lovie Smith (a very happy accident). I’m optimistic that he will get much needed premium talent on defense & the little improvement we saw last year (with a net loss in talent) will be multiplied 10 fold.
I’m optimistic the Texans will fix the run game if only because David Johnson won’t be taking up a roster spot.
I’m optimistic about Davis Mills. I think he should be afforded every opportunity to succeed that Mac Jones will get in New England.
I just don’t think Nick Caserio is the football guy I want running this franchise. & if Cal actually stepped in & told Nick who his HC would be & to roll over to get Watson gone ASAP, Cal also lost faith in Nick.
Who did what when is so far down the road it just doesn’t matter anymore to me anymore, I now want RESULTS. I can’t change it and I have no say so this is who they are but damn it go out and show me positive results, draft we’ll and let’s start to win games, get better. If they do that great. I won’t care if they hire Pippi Longstocking as long as they win.I take offense. Perhaps you aren’t talking about me.
I’m pro Texans, at least I think I am. I’m not very high on Cal. I’m not very high on Caserio.
I’m optimistic about Lovie Smith (a very happy accident). I’m optimistic that he will get much needed premium talent on defense & the little improvement we saw last year (with a net loss in talent) will be multiplied 10 fold.
I’m optimistic the Texans will fix the run game if only because David Johnson won’t be taking up a roster spot.
I’m optimistic about Davis Mills. I think he should be afforded every opportunity to succeed that Mac Jones will get in New England.
I just don’t think Nick Caserio is the football guy I want running this franchise. & if Cal actually stepped in & told Nick who his HC would be & to roll over to get Watson gone ASAP, Cal also lost faith in Nick.
Liked and quoted because you ARE a true fan. 99% of us here are. It ain’t easy but we are. We all have that in common.I take offense. Perhaps you aren’t talking about me.
I’m pro Texans, at least I think I am. I’m not very high on Cal. I’m not very high on Caserio.
I’m optimistic about Lovie Smith (a very happy accident). I’m optimistic that he will get much needed premium talent on defense & the little improvement we saw last year (with a net loss in talent) will be multiplied 10 fold.
I’m optimistic the Texans will fix the run game if only because David Johnson won’t be taking up a roster spot.
I’m optimistic about Davis Mills. I think he should be afforded every opportunity to succeed that Mac Jones will get in New England.
I just don’t think Nick Caserio is the football guy I want running this franchise. & if Cal actually stepped in & told Nick who his HC would be & to roll over to get Watson gone ASAP, Cal also lost faith in Nick.
Drafting players is only part of it.go out and show me positive results, draft we’ll and let’s start to win games, get better. If they do that great.
I take offense. Perhaps you aren’t talking about me.
I’m pro Texans, at least I think I am. I’m not very high on Cal. I’m not very high on Caserio.
I’m optimistic about Lovie Smith (a very happy accident). I’m optimistic that he will get much needed premium talent on defense & the little improvement we saw last year (with a net loss in talent) will be multiplied 10 fold.
I’m optimistic the Texans will fix the run game if only because David Johnson won’t be taking up a roster spot.
I’m optimistic about Davis Mills. I think he should be afforded every opportunity to succeed that Mac Jones will get in New England.
I just don’t think Nick Caserio is the football guy I want running this franchise. & if Cal actually stepped in & told Nick who his HC would be & to roll over to get Watson gone ASAP, Cal also lost faith in Nick.
Drafting players is only part of it.
player retention is another part & that’s where I believe we’ll continue to struggle. We don’t have the benefit of a GOAT coach or QB. Nick will have to be able to deal with player-agents as equals.
And I’m not optimistic you’ll stop whining about it.I take offense. Perhaps you aren’t talking about me.
I’m pro Texans, at least I think I am. I’m not very high on Cal. I’m not very high on Caserio.
I’m optimistic about Lovie Smith (a very happy accident). I’m optimistic that he will get much needed premium talent on defense & the little improvement we saw last year (with a net loss in talent) will be multiplied 10 fold.
I’m optimistic the Texans will fix the run game if only because David Johnson won’t be taking up a roster spot.
I’m optimistic about Davis Mills. I think he should be afforded every opportunity to succeed that Mac Jones will get in New England.
I just don’t think Nick Caserio is the football guy I want running this franchise. & if Cal actually stepped in & told Nick who his HC would be & to roll over to get Watson gone ASAP, Cal also lost faith in Nick.
I didn’t say they did. I’m saying Watson called Atlanta & eventually went to Cleveland are evidence that what the trading team gave up wasn’t as important as they made it out to be. They were bluffing, talking tuff & in effect bullying Nick Caserio
I guess I’ll whine some more. Seattle handled the Wilson NTC properly. The Texans did not imho.
while I am happy overall with the trade parameters and have stated such, that completely misses the point.
I like to say never ignore in victory what you would not in defeat.
while the end result was satisfactory, that doesn’t absolve the Texans from scrutiny. Light is always the best disinfectant. How does this impact future trades, if any? What precedents does it set here and league wide. How could have it been handled better, if at all. Asking these questions and exploring possible alternatives isn’t antithetical to being a Texans fan, it’s the very thing that makes us hardcore fans. Blind faith that doesn’t demand excellence isn’t and never has been an answer. These people answer to us - the fans. Without us, they are nothing.
some of y’all just want to enjoy your breakfast sausage and I get that. But I’m more interested in how that sausage was made before it hit your plate. Process matters folks. Stop eating your sausage for a moment and demand to know how that pig was slaughtered.
We have trained ourselves think that every silver lining has a dark cloud.
He let Watt go for nothingHas Caserio not been able to retain the guys he wanted to retain this off-season?
Other players with NTCs have never been given the privilege to talk to other teams.I hold your rights and you can only talk to who I give you permission to.
That's the problem.but these people are calling it a dark cloudy rainy day when in reality it’s an obvious bright blue clear sunny day.
In Watts case I feel that was more a respect thing. The others, maybe they were a cancer waiting to emerge. (Think Watt was on the verge himself but it looked better to let him go than an ugly battle given his history with Houston)He let Watt go for nothing
He let Roby go for nothing
He let Ingram go for nothing
He let Cobb go for nothing
He let Cunningham go for nothing
He let Watson walk all over him
Guys who can't find a better deal, yeah he can retain them. Murray, Driskel, & Burkhead...
Again, on their own, none of these are anything. But together & with the Watson trade, I'm afraid the Texans are at a huge disadvantage. A pattern has emerged.
The Texans didn't see message boards as a money making venture. After they switched hosting companies, nothing worked right and the Texans did not want to put in the money to assign a company executive to specifically update, correct and monitor/troubleshoot the software or that segment of their website. They never properly supported or promoted the concept of a message board. Measuring the temp of the fan base was not felt to be important. HoustonTexans.com MB died a planned agonizingly slow death.The official board actually became this board probably at least 10 years ago now. I don't remember the reason the Texans didn't like hosting a message board at this moment.
He let Watt go for nothing
He let Roby go for nothing
He let Ingram go for nothing
He let Cobb go for nothing
He let Cunningham go for nothing
He let Watson walk all over him
Guys who can't find a better deal, yeah he can retain them. Murray, Driskel, & Burkhead...
Again, on their own, none of these are anything. But together & with the Watson trade, I'm afraid the Texans are at a huge disadvantage. A pattern has emerged.
I've repeatedly explained.Again TK do you not understand how a NTC works? Seriously asking because you keep making it sound like they could make Watson waive it prior to a trade actually being made. The NTC was not actually waived till Sunday when the deal officially passed the league approvals. Before that literally at anytime Watson could have backed out with just a word. Watson was the first to weaponize it like this but the potential was always there.
Christ almighty I can't believe some of the people in this thread. We're rid of Watson, we got a shitload of picks, we have a HC who's been a HC in a SB before. WTF else do yall want? There hasn't been this much reason for optimism in freaking decades. I don't know what they'll do with all of it, but damn this off season has more potential to it than we've had in years.
Nope, just saying (3) 1st RDs was a given. There would've been no deal w/o (3) ones. Last Fall before the trade deadline the Texans wanted an additional (2) 2nd RDs. This Spring Caserio's opening bid didn't mention a two. The Watson trade was like the Roby trade, Caserio left money on the table. If Caserio had come away with those two twos, then he would have done what he said he was going to do and what was expected from him. Give him an A+. He didn't do that. He started the bidding considerably lower. Caserio gets an A for the (3) 1s, and he gets a D for not getting two twos. Final Grade C+ or B-.but these people are calling it a dark cloudy rainy day when in reality it’s an obvious bright blue clear sunny day.
I guess I’ll whine some more. Seattle handled the Wilson NTC properly. The Texans did not imho.
while I am happy overall with the trade parameters and have stated such, that completely misses the point.
I like to say never ignore in victory what you would not in defeat.
while the end result was satisfactory, that doesn’t absolve the Texans from scrutiny. Light is always the best disinfectant. How does this impact future trades, if any? What precedents does it set here and league wide. How could have it been handled better, if at all. Asking these questions and exploring possible alternatives isn’t antithetical to being a Texans fan, it’s the very thing that makes us hardcore fans. Blind faith that doesn’t demand excellence isn’t and never has been an answer. These people answer to us - the fans. Without us, they are nothing.
some of y’all just want to enjoy your breakfast sausage and I get that. But I’m more interested in how that sausage was made before it hit your plate. Process matters folks. Stop eating your sausage for a moment and demand to know how that pig was slaughtered.
Understand & agree on all pointsWatt was an owner move. They wanted to let the best player in franchise history go wherever he wanted. Although now that the NFL has gone full NBA this offseason I would have preferred they “allow” teams to negotiate with Watt after making an offer to Texans like with WD40.
He got a 3rd for Roby which turned into the #80 overall pick. This was a good move in that it allowed younger players to get an opportunity to prove they could play and helped “the tank” this past season. Roby wasn’t going to be part of team’s long term plans.
Agree on Ingram. He was the only back that was somewhat productive besides the Burkhead Chargers game.
He actually got SOMETHING for Cobb and his ridiculous contract thanks to Rodgers. That’s a win.
Cunningham and Mercilus had untradeable contracts and no MVP bff demanding their team acquire them.
Watson trade was quite a haul considering the circumstances (NTC, 22 civil suits).
Stones or stoned.This x 100.
Glad someone has the stones to put it like that.
Or you can find an adult who can sit at the big table & speak when adults are talking. Like Seattle has, or Atlanta.Don't give out anymore NTC's. Also deal with agents like Mulaghetta when you absolutely have too.
Quoted for truthWatt was an owner move. They wanted to let the best player in franchise history go wherever he wanted. Although now that the NFL has gone full NBA this offseason I would have preferred they “allow” teams to negotiate with Watt after making an offer to Texans like with WD40.
He got a 3rd for Roby which turned into the #80 overall pick. This was a good move in that it allowed younger players to get an opportunity to prove they could play and helped “the tank” this past season. Roby wasn’t going to be part of team’s long term plans.
Agree on Ingram. He was the only back that was somewhat productive besides the Burkhead Chargers game.
He actually got SOMETHING for Cobb and his ridiculous contract thanks to Rodgers. That’s a win.
Cunningham and Mercilus had untradeable contracts and no MVP bff demanding their team acquire them.
Watson trade was quite a haul considering the circumstances (NTC, 22 civil suits).
Or you can find an adult who can sit at the big table & speak when adults are talking. Like Seattle has, or Atlanta.
Other players with NTCs have never been given the privilege to talk to other teams.
Dutch courage or pot-valiance?Stones or stoned.
Not what I rememberAnother Mulugheta client with a NTC was allowed to seek his own trade just the year before. remember Jalen Ramsey ???
He was ready to go anywhere but Jacksonville.“My first thought was, he (Jaguars general manager Dave Caldwell) traded me to the Chargers,” Ramsey said. “And I’m thinking I’m going to be with my dawg Derwin James and be with Gus Bradley. But then was told it was the Rams.”
Players and agents working out deals isn't out of the ordinary.
I disagree.In this case, Watson tried to weaponize that NTC and save his new team assets and Caserio shut that crap down
But since you seem to think they could have done it better, tell us what you would have done?
Jimmy and Andrew, the trade demands for DeShaun Watson remain the same as they were from last year, (3) 1st RDs and (2) 2nd RDs. If you want the opportunity today to meet with DeShaun Watson to discuss a trade, you first have to agree that you will meet our trade request and be able to trade (3) 1st RDs and (2) 2nd RD draft picks.But since you seem to think they could have done it better, tell us what you would have done?
Now Watson is free to negotiate among those 4 teams and only those 4 teams.
You have no idea where those seconds would be in the upcoming draft and neither do you know where the picks we did land will go.Jimmy and Andrew, the trade demands for DeShaun Watson remain the same as they were from last year, (3) 1st RDs and (2) 2nd RDs. If you want the opportunity today to meet with DeShaun Watson to discuss a trade, you first have to agree that you will meet our trade request and be able to trade (3) 1st RDs and (2) 2nd RD draft picks.
Since we're now at a point where the full draft order has been established for 2022, we will insist on the following trade agreement should DeShaun Watson waive his NTC and agree to be traded to the Cleveland Browns: 1. The Cleveland Browns will trade to the Houston Texans their first round, #13 draft pick in the 2022 NFL draft. 2. The Cleveland Browns will trade to the Houston Texans their second round, #44 pick in the 2022 NFL draft. 3. The Cleveland Browns will trade to the Houston Texans their 1st RD pick in the 2023 NFL draft. 4. The Cleveland Browns will trade to the Houston Texans their second-round draft pick in the 2023 NFL Draft. 5. The Cleveland Browns will trade to the Houston Texans their first-round draft pick in the 2024 NFL draft.
If you're agreeable to these terms and conditions, then you've our permission to speak with DeShaun Watson about a trade. If you do not agree to the terms and conditions, then you're granted permission by the Houston Texans to speak with DeShaun Watson.
Jimmy and Andrew, the trade demands for DeShaun Watson remain the same as they were from last year, (3) 1st RDs and (2) 2nd RDs. If you want the opportunity today to meet with DeShaun Watson to discuss a trade, you first have to agree that you will meet our trade request and be able to trade (3) 1st RDs and (2) 2nd RD draft picks.
Since we're now at a point where the full draft order has been established for 2022, we will insist on the following trade agreement should DeShaun Watson waive his NTC and agree to be traded to the Cleveland Browns: 1. The Cleveland Browns will trade to the Houston Texans their first round, #13 draft pick in the 2022 NFL draft. 2. The Cleveland Browns will trade to the Houston Texans their second round, #44 pick in the 2022 NFL draft. 3. The Cleveland Browns will trade to the Houston Texans their 1st RD pick in the 2023 NFL draft. 4. The Cleveland Browns will trade to the Houston Texans their second-round draft pick in the 2023 NFL Draft. 5. The Cleveland Browns will trade to the Houston Texans their first-round draft pick in the 2024 NFL draft.
If you're agreeable to these terms and conditions, then you've our permission to speak with DeShaun Watson about a trade. If you do not agree to the terms and conditions, then you're granted permission by the Houston Texans to speak with DeShaun Watson.
IF 3 1s and 2 2s are fair value in Nov 2021 why is not fair value in Mar 2022?This is what Caserio did.
He just had a different value than you did.
It was fair value considering Caserio was trading a Sexual Predator.
They should have done it the way Seattle did it.
Y’all keep saying he couldn’t because of a bunch of reasons that don’t make sense.
we know he would have played for Atlanta. Atlanta was willing to ruin their relationship with their long time QB & ante up.
I don’t know what the other teams would have been. So while we may never know, we know about Atlanta
What trips me up is that never before, in the history of the NFL has a player had this much influence in a trade who wasn't tendered with a franchise tag.This is the part that trips people up as well as myself
I take offense. Perhaps you aren’t talking about me.
I’m pro Texans, at least I think I am. I’m not very high on Cal. I’m not very high on Caserio.
I’m optimistic about Lovie Smith (a very happy accident). I’m optimistic that he will get much needed premium talent on defense & the little improvement we saw last year (with a net loss in talent) will be multiplied 10 fold.
I’m optimistic the Texans will fix the run game if only because David Johnson won’t be taking up a roster spot.
I’m optimistic about Davis Mills. I think he should be afforded every opportunity to succeed that Mac Jones will get in New England.
I just don’t think Nick Caserio is the football guy I want running this franchise. & if Cal actually stepped in & told Nick who his HC would be & to roll over to get Watson gone ASAP, Cal also lost faith in Nick.
Caserio was charged with getting the best deal possible for Derrick and he did a fine job He's also making the final calls on the draft, per his contract.
I've got more faith in Caserio and his 20 years in Foxboro than a 63 yr old Lovie who has failed at his last 2 stops Illinois/Tampa.
But yep, Lovie is a Calhoun hire not a Caserio hire, so if this fails then you can directly blame the liars that are Janice and her spawn Calhoun McNair.
Im not okay with it as a practice, but its the NFL.. everything in it is ass backwards and has been for a long time.What trips me up is that never before, in the history of the NFL has a player had this much influence in a trade who wasn't tendered with a franchise tag.
Never had a disgruntled player been able to negotiate the terms of a new contract before his trade.
Never.
I can't imagine why the first player to ever do so would be one with a pending GJ hearing & 22 sexual misconduct civil charges.
& we're OK with it
I really couldn't care less what Watson wanted.They couldn’t do it the way Seattle did it because Wilson wanted different goals
How do you get him to waive the NTC in that scenario?I really couldn't care less what Watson wanted.
I know he wanted to play in Atlanta. Why do I care if they would guarantee the 4th & 5th year of his contract?
Same thing with Carolina. Supposedly he'd have been a Panther if they would have guaranteed those final years...
Why should Nick care? Ship him to Carolina, then they can negotiate. Send him to New Orleans.
What trips me up is that never before, in the history of the NFL has a player had this much influence in a trade who wasn't tendered with a franchise tag.
Never had a disgruntled player been able to negotiate the terms of a new contract before his trade.
Never.
I can't imagine why the first player to ever do so would be one with a pending GJ hearing & 22 sexual misconduct civil charges.
& we're OK with it
I really couldn't care less what Watson wanted.
I know he wanted to play in Atlanta. Why do I care if they would guarantee the 4th & 5th year of his contract?
Same thing with Carolina. Supposedly he'd have been a Panther if they would have guaranteed those final years...
Why should Nick care? Ship him to Carolina, then they can negotiate. Send him to New Orleans.
This, unless you have him signing over his NTC for any of a group of teams....his words I doubt of who he "said" he would waive it for would be legally binding if he "conveniently changed his mind."How do you get him to waive the NTC in that scenario?
This thread will never die.I'll be glad when this thread dies quietly in its sleep