stevo3883 said:
or people that think that a guy making $54 million should produce pro-bowl numbers
it's like with Carr, we dont hate him, but he hasnt produced to match his salary./
This isn't like the Carr situation at all. Given the situation, Carr did well, and earned the money he was getting paid....... What did we expect Carr to do?? Come in and have a year like Palmer did last year?? in his third year?? If I'm not mistaken, I think he did. He completed 61% of his passes....& got sacked a lot. Palmer completed 67% of his passes, and was only sacked 19 times(Carr 49). Peyton Manning only completed 62% of his passes, sacked 20 times... Eli in his second year is only completing 52%, but alot of people are talking about sending him to the proBowl in 2006. & McNabb completed 58% of his passes, while taking 39 sacks.......
QB ratings...... David had an 83, McNabb 84, Carson 101, and Peyton 94. Look at the offenses Peyton and Carson were in..... throwing the ball... WCO... strecthing the field........ compared to the offense David was in...... Ball control..... don't lose the game..... So they were going to have more TDs... which inflates the QB rating... they should do a TD/Redzone ratio instead, or something like that.
stevo3883 said:
yes, in his first year. he is supposed to be a bigger better peppers, who won droy and had 12 sacks.
it isn't wrong to expect him to exceed this, being the superior prospect.
If we were in a week NFC South, in a week NFC then I'd be with you.. double digit sacks his first year.....
But we're playing a strong AFC conference, where they value the OL...... 4 games in our division alone..... Jax & Indy... Then Tennessee picked up Mawae(I know he's a center, but it shows where they are putting money). Then we play NewEngland & NYJ..... Mario vs D'Brick(mmmmm-mmmm can't wait)... Mario is going to see more Probowlers in his first year, than JP did in his first three.
Carr Bomb said:
Our Dline was ranked about last in sacks for the past 3 years, and now we have tweeners rotating in and out of the line (until Peek can prove otherwise). The Panthers have the best front 4 in all of football, there is no comparison.
The knicks have serious $$ tied into them also, doesn't exactly mean they are having success does it.
Sorry, I disagree here. We've got a heck of a DLine on paper. Mario is in a very good position to do his thang.... Peek....... um I'm expecting him to be our Kearse....... Mario is our Peppers..... TJ should live up to his draft spot. and Robaire, Smith, Payne.... the lines just going to open up for them, like the Red Sea....
I don't see where you can get a good double team on this line...
Carr Bomb said:
Hey Big Ben was able to come in from day 1, wasn't he. Atleast thats what your argument with Williams is, Peppers did it so Williams can too, right. So Big Ben did it, so Vince better, do you see why that argument doesn't work now.
In all honesty, it looks like the Titans are going to start Vince some time in '06. I wouldn't be surprised if he does pull a RothlisBerger.
dat_boy_yec said:
I don't get why everyone is downplaying expectations for Mario.
He himself should be aiming higher than any of us. He should expect a sack a game......
I'm with you on that.... Mario gets a big 'ole $6mil bonus(I think) if he gets 12 sacks... I think he's going to get that.. I think he will/should have more sacks than any rookie in '06, but I don't know if he'll get 14 or whatever the rookie sack record is...
dat_boy_yec said:
I would hate for Mario to think he doesn't have to produce because we don't EXPECT him to.
Agreed.......
dat_boy_yec said:
If Bush came in here and had less than a thousand yds. he would be a disappointment. Not a bust. Same thing with Mario if he doesn't cause an immedeate impact he would be a disappointment not a bust.
Every one is saying that he should/will make a difference.... an imediate impact.... they're just saying that he can impact the game in many ways, not just sacks
dat_boy_yec said:
The guy is getting paid he should earn that cash. He should sack Peyton, Leftwhich, and whoever is in the Titans backfield multiple times. He should make everyone realize why he was the #1 pick. Anything else would be disappointing.
I concur....... but I think we disagree on what would justify the pick.
dat_boy_yec said:
It just seems that people are already making excuses for him before he even hits the field. He's a rookie, he's playing RE, he's gonna get doubled and tripled teamed. Forget that Mario is a monstar he has no excuses in my eyes the guy better be merciless out there. He should make my expectations laughable when compared to his own expectations.
Isn't that why he's "SUPER MARIO"?
He probably expects 2 to 3 sacks a game..... we'll never know. I definitely think it'll be fun to watch.... he's going to be a force to reckon with. He'll be the face of our defense without a doubt.
In all, I see I don't agree with a lot of folks in this thread..... I think it's silly to expect less than 8 sacks...... hopefull to expect more than 12.... I think he can get 12..... I think he definitely should get 10 sacks.....
Come Week 8, I expect to see Tom Jackson talking about him...... " Vince Young.......... you go
JACKED UP, courtesy of the 2006 #1 overall draft pick.. Super Mario."