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What Do Think About Dunte Leaving

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I'm glad Dunta is leaving, its time we replace him. Do we get anything if he sign with another team and we don't match their offer?
 
We think all sorts of things ranging from "This is a horrible move that will set the franchise back for years to come" all the way to "Dunta was a cancer and a nickel CB at best - his departure is guaranteed to do nothing but make this team better".

Sadly, I believe both positions represent lunatic fringe (or at least lunatics), and the real answer is yet to be determined (but will not be either position described in my first paragraph).
 
i would be ok with letting him walk if and only IF one of these two things happens...

1. He continues to ask for top 10 money. some team will pay him a rather large amount to leave but these teams will be teams like St. Louis or Cleveland or Tampa rather than like New England or New Orleans so if he leaves like that than i have no problem with him leaving.

2. we pick up a fairly good CB to replace him in FA. I'd love to see a first rounder go for a CB but we need a vet presense at that position and right now we'd start Reeves and Quin with Bennett and a few 2nd year players next year (McCain and Parsons) as depth. no thanks.
 
I was one of Dunta's biggest fans prior to the injury. Had he come back after the injury a step slower, but with out all the BS, I would still be a fan. However the crap he pulled was ridiculous, especially the "Hey I made a good play let's celebrate", while Manning torched the D, was the straw that broke the camel back.

I wish hime the best, but I think it's for the best. Yes we have a hole at CB now, but not a gaping hole (Anymore than there was before). Keeping Dunta just to make a different pick in the draft is a piss poor reason, it's the same logic as keeping Weaver so we wouldn't have to focus on DL.
 
I would like to thank Dunta for everything he gave to this organization, but at the same time I do think that at this point the best thing for both parties is for him to move on.
 
I liked dunta hair and hard hits other then that he couldn't play
cb worth a dand lol he was a capers guy anyway so u knew
this would happen sooner or later now we just got to get a solid
cb In the draft and groom him
 
DR is a great example of why we as a fan base should never get too attached to a specific player. At one point he was the most beloved Texan and was a major fan favorite. A few years later not only does he depart but there is a large contingent on this board that would have liked to have run him out of town.

So instead, cheer for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back. Today's most popular player may not be on the team tomorrow (ie HWWNBM or DR). It just saves a lot of aggravation in the end.

Plus, it makes it a lot easier if we can trade an aging superstar who has lost a step or two for an up and comer or a solid draft picks.

I am a Texans fan, not a fan of any specific player.
 
Lets just run down our roster of cb's without him shall we.

Quinn- Promising prospect but still not sold after 1 year. Anyone remember Bennett's 1st year? He looked like a player too. Now he's pretty much on his way out. We can't annoint this guy just yet.
Reeves - hasn't shown he can be the guy &/or stay healthy.
Molden- can't stay healthy
McCain- looked shaky at best during spot duty & could go either way. He's also afraid of contact.
Bennett- LoL


In other words, Its a bad move until we see what the texans decide to do to fill his void b/c make no mistake about it we have gotten worse with his departure. Nevertheless it had to be done b/c he doesn't deserve what he was being paid. Let him go & see what's out there for him.
 
The words "time to move on" don't always apply to a bad player. I think we'd pretty much established that David Carr was a lousy QB by the time he left the the Texans but even if that had still been in doubt (and there are still a few people who think the Texans ruined him and not the other way around) it was time for him to move on. People were tired of waiting on him to do something. Dunta is a different case and I don't think there's any doubt that he can play in the NFL and that he was a good corner. I don't believe he was anywhere close to the player he thought he was but he can start in the NFL. All the same it was time for him to move on and I think he knew that before any of us did. Dunta was the vocal one and the guy who seemed to take the early losing hardest so I'm glad he got to win at least one season here even if it was just by a single game. Still, I'm glad he's gone. It was time for a change back there.

I think Quinn is a promising prospect and I think Reeves will hold the other side down just fine until someone else is ready to do it. Nobody is "set" everywhere in this league. Everybody has a unit on their team they're still improving. Draft a highly regarded corner in the first round, sign somebody like Antrel Rolle if he gets released and just like that secondary will start being talked about like a position we're solid at.

I think concern over Dunta's departure is a bit premature. We'll be fine.
 
Mr teX said:
Lets just run down our roster of cb's without him shall we.

Quinn- Promising prospect but still not sold after 1 year. Anyone remember Bennett's 1st year? He looked like a player too. Now he's pretty much on his way out. We can't annoint this guy just yet.
Reeves - hasn't shown he can be the guy &/or stay healthy.
Molden- can't stay healthy
McCain- looked shaky at best during spot duty & could go either way. He's also afraid of contact.
Bennett- LoL


In other words, Its a bad move until we see what the texans decide to do to fill his void b/c make no mistake about it we have gotten worse with his departure. Nevertheless it had to be done b/c he doesn't deserve what he was being paid. Let him go & see what's out there for him.
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Except we know that DR did not play like a starter. He did not even play at the level of a nickel corner. He play was so poor that he was pretty much a DIME level corner getting payed like a top starter last year. We can easily take that money and replace that type of play. If we want to get a better player, we should have no problem doing that too.

Now, I think part of his issue was he was still recovering. I think he will get better, but I am not sure he is still a starter at this point.
 
Hervoyel said:
The words "time to move on" don't always apply to a bad player. I think we'd pretty much established that David Carr was a lousy QB by the time he left the the Texans but even if that had still be in doubt (and there are still a few people who think the Texans ruined him and not the other way around) it was time for him to move on. People were tired of waiting on him to do something. Dunta is a different case and I don't think there's any doubt that he can play in the NFL and that he was a good corner. I don't believe he was anywhere close to the player he thought he was but he can start in the NFL. All the same it was time for him to move on and I think he knew that before any of us did. Dunta was the vocal one and the guy who seemed to take the early losing hardest so I'm glad he got to win at least one season here even if it was just by a single game. Still, I'm glad he's gone. It was time for a change back there.

I think Quinn is a promising prospect and I think Reeves will hold the other side down just fine until someone else is ready to do it. Nobody is "set" everywhere in this league. Everybody has a unit on their team they're still improving. Draft a highly regarded corner in the first round, sign somebody like Antrel Rolle if he gets released and just like that secondary will start being talked about like a position we're solid at.

I think concern over Dunta's departure is a bit premature. We'll be fine.
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I think this reflects the attitude of the Texans' administration. A good, starting player, who was not a difference maker that the organization was going to have pay difference maker money (long or short term). My guess is that you will see a similiar bit with Kevin Walter, a good starting player who will not be worth the money (long or short term) that it requires to keep him.

Every NFL team walks away from okay to good players at some point because the difference between them and Just Another Guy(s) is not as much as many fans tend to think.
 
As I think back over the years, it seems that every time we might have been disappointed over losing a player we as fans thought should have been retained because of potential, he usually disappeared into oblivion.

As the Texans have "discarded" players, it has not been a case of "One man's trash is another man's treasure." Rather, "One man's treasure is another's trash." I believe this will be another case of a smelly treasure being recognized as partially deoderized trash.
 
I think the problem some fans are having is the un-capped year. Most people tend to think because there is no cap this year it doesn't matter what they pay him, he's a starter and they should keep him at all costs. However, people forget that there WILL be a salary cap again. Why is this important? If you start overpaying players like DR, Pitts and KW, for example, just to keep them because "we are close", next year when the cap returns (and it will), players like Demeco, OD, MW, and Pollard are going to have more dificult negotiations because well "you payed Dunta 10M and 12M respectively for one year and he wasn't even in the top half of the league for his position". To me, this has as much to do with the success of the long term of the franchise as it does with the short term.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As I think back over the years, it seems that every time we might have been disappointed over losing a player we as fans thought should have been retained because of potential, he usually disappeared into oblivion.

As the Texans have "discarded" players, it has not been a case of "One man's trash is another man's treasure." Rather, "One man's treasure is another's trash." I believe this will be another case of a smelly treasure being recognized as partially deoderized trash.
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That could very well end up being the longer term result, but in terms of the current view, I don't believe that's how the league will see it at all. I think there will be far more demand for his services than any previous "Former Texan", and his next contract will be the proof. I don't think it will even be close.
 
ChampionTexan said:
That could very well end up being the longer term result, but in terms of the current view, I don't believe that's how the league will see it at all. I think there will be far more demand for his services than any previous "Former Texan", and his next contract will be the proof. I don't think it will even be close.
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I don't argue with the fact that there will be someone(s) out there willing to give him a nice pay day. But his next contract will be no more PROOF of profitable performance returns than his contract to the Texans were last year. I believe that Dunta will end up making his next team ask themselves "Why me???":cry2:
 
ChampionTexan said:
That could very well end up being the longer term result, but in terms of the current view, I don't believe that's how the league will see it at all. I think there will be far more demand for his services than any previous "Former Texan", and his next contract will be the proof. I don't think it will even be close.
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True but every team lets somebody go sooner or later who some portion of the rest of the NFL thinks is valuable. It's just that the Texans have almost never been in the position of having somebody like this. Dunta will be greeted like a valuable commodity by teams looking for a corner. Good for him but like all those other teams we finally can look at a pretty average player and say "Know what? You're not worth that. Thanks but we'll pass" and that's cool. You see good teams in the NFL let guys go yearly who think they belong in a higher tax bracket because they don't agree with them.
 
Would it be better for the Texans as a team to keep Dunta? Yes.

Would it be better for the Texans as a business to keep Dunta? No.

We want to keep Dunta because if he leaves then we need a CB badly, but we will not pay him a superstar mega-deal just because we need a CB because he is not worth that kind of money.

Losing Dunta makes the Texans worse as a team, but they are making the right move by letting him walk. On the business side, you cannot go around handing out superstar contracts to anybody who wants them. Only the guys that deserve them will get them (Schaub, Williams, Ryans, etc.) and Dunta does not deserve one.
 
I compare Tracy McGrady to DR. I thought both would help their team to a championship. Both performed well initially and both had season ending injuries. Both did things to drive me away as a fan. Both are now gone.
 
How bad is it that when we lose Dunta we lose our best CB?

It's BAD, real bad. CB is a real need this offseason.

As to Dunta, bye, see ya later, I wish no ill will on you, but I ain't gonna be at the airport waving good bye to ya.
 
Should have Franchised him and sat his ass and we could spend the season looking at his shoes, which say "Play me Rick"
 
I have been pretty open with my Dunta Dislike. I have said many times he is over-rated by fans. I also have been turned off him by his attitude last year.

Obviously I am not sad to see him go.

He has been a big part of this franchise though and it is sad to see him leave with a bad taste in everyones mouth.

I can see him being a good #2 corner somewhere.... just glad that it isn't here.
 
He would be a great #2 corner. That's exactly the problem. He's not a great #1 corner, but he want's to be paid like one.
 
I don't wish Dunta any ill will. He has always been a pretty stand up character, and a good influence on the team. It's just a business decision. He knows he can get the money, even if it's not here, and I can't fault him for that. I commend the Texans for not capitulating to him though, especially when he played so poorly last year. All in all, I think it's the best for both sides.
 
He turned down 20 mil. Dunte wasn't a top 10 corner anyway but it's ashame the Texans are to cheap to keep it's GOOD players. looks like the will let D Ryans and K Walter walk and try to replace them with draft picks. Bob McNugget is an moron and until you stop paying for garbage they will continue to put a pathetic product on the field!
 
Beau Texan said:
dunte wasn't a top 10 corner anyway but it's ashame the Texans are to cheap to keep it GOOD players. looks like the will let d ryans and k walter walk and try to replace them with draft picks. Bob McNugget is an *****!
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What has led you to believe they will let either, much less both, of those players walk? How about you wait until it actually happens before you start attacking Bob Mcnair.
 
beau texan said:
dunte wasn't a top 10 corner anyway but it's ashame the texans are to cheap to keep it's good players. Looks like the will let d ryans and k walter walk and try to replace them with draft picks. Bob mcnugget is an moron and until you stop paying for garbage they will continue to put a pathetic product on the field!
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wtf?
 
awtysst said:
Except we know that DR did not play like a starter. He did not even play at the level of a nickel corner. He play was so poor that he was pretty much a DIME level corner getting payed like a top starter last year. We can easily take that money and replace that type of play. If we want to get a better player, we should have no problem doing that too.

Now, I think part of his issue was he was still recovering. I think he will get better, but I am not sure he is still a starter at this point.
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Dunta played like a starter, he just didn't play like a top 5 cb to match his salary which was the fundamental problem with him staying here. & ok, if snagging a #1 cb by your standards is so easy, who do you propose we get? There's absolutely nothing in FA, & is there really a cb in the draft that's capable of coming in & starting right away? I'm not so sure.
 
Just my take, I think robinson is a 8-14 corner in the league. He's a great tackler, ultra competitive, a a good cover guy not great. To me, he's in the same boat as winfield was in buffalo a few years back. Now people see the true value of a corner who won't turn down a play like cromartie did in the playoffs. What fans will also need to realize is all the years he played without pressure in front of him. If he lands with a team that generates good pressure, you will see him elevated to pro bowl status. I think the texans are too deep in the game o lose quality football players. If he can be paid 5m per, then maybe its something to consider, but saying he's not a good football player who helps the texans win games is just false.
 
leebigeztx said:
Just my take, I think robinson is a 8-14 corner in the league. He's a great tackler, ultra competitive, a a good cover guy not great. To me, he's in the same boat as winfield was in buffalo a few years back. Now people see the true value of a corner who won't turn down a play like cromartie did in the playoffs. What fans will also need to realize is all the years he played without pressure in front of him. If he lands with a team that generates good pressure, you will see him elevated to pro bowl status. I think the texans are too deep in the game o lose quality football players. If he can be paid 5m per, then maybe its something to consider, but saying he's not a good football player who helps the texans win games is just false.
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Certainly, he is no great cover. And last year, I can't count how many whiffs he made missing tackles, something that in his early days was virtually unheard of. 5 million?......maybe.............full confidence contract?...........I'd rather go to the Las Vegas casinos.
 
Call me crazy, but I don't understand the hatred for the guy. He was an average to above average CB who was a good guy. He made the mistake of going public with his contract negotiations, but it happens throughout the league. We hear of contract disputes dang near every day during the off-season.

There's a 99.9% chance he's gone, so why keep beating the guy down? He always seemed to leave it all out on the field on gameday. Y'all should be trashing a player named Amobi Okoye. Sure, he was decent this past season, but still not the player worthy of his draft.

My .02
 
Dunta seemed to have 1 decent play a game, surrounded by a lot of missed tackles and being way out of position and penalties called against him.

For someone wanting to get paid, I thought he would step up his game this year, but he did not.

If we could get him to stay for 1-2 mil a year - fine, but he is definately not even worth half the $$ we paid him last year.

Someone will pay him - let them. Maybe we will play against him and Matt and AJ (or whoever Dunta is "covering") will have a field day.
 
It's funny how fans perceptions are so different.

Most NFL boards I browse at think he's a very hot FA. One of the top.

And most here are glad he's leaving.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Call me crazy, but I don't understand the hatred for the guy. He was an average to above average CB who was a good guy. He made the mistake of going public with his contract negotiations, but it happens throughout the league. We hear of contract disputes dang near every day during the off-season.

There's a 99.9% chance he's gone, so why keep beating the guy down? He always seemed to leave it all out on the field on gameday. Y'all should be trashing a player named Amobi Okoye. Sure, he was decent this past season, but still not the player worthy of his draft.

My .02
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This is exactly what I was trying to say. He hasn't done anything disruptive or detrimental to the team, except not playing as well as he used to. It's not like he was out there and not giving it 100%, because I believe he was giving it his all. He's just not as good anymore.
 
Esoom said:
This is exactly what I was trying to say. He hasn't done anything disruptive or detrimental to the team, except not playing as well as he used to. It's not like he was out there and not giving it 100%, because I believe he was giving it his all. He's just not as good anymore.
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You're right, but hell, the dude had his knee destroyed and rebuilt not too long ago. I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses for the guy because there were many a time I was yelling at him through my TV.

The good thing is, our FO is obviously not as dumb as some make them out to be by letting him go. They noticed he wasn't worth his asking price anymore.
 
leebigeztx said:
Just my take, I think robinson is a 8-14 corner in the league. He's a great tackler, ultra competitive, a a good cover guy not great. To me, he's in the same boat as winfield was in buffalo a few years back. Now people see the true value of a corner who won't turn down a play like cromartie did in the playoffs. What fans will also need to realize is all the years he played without pressure in front of him. If he lands with a team that generates good pressure, you will see him elevated to pro bowl status. I think the texans are too deep in the game o lose quality football players. If he can be paid 5m per, then maybe its something to consider, but saying he's not a good football player who helps the texans win games is just false.
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rep your way..
 
WWJD said:
It's funny how fans perceptions are so different.

Most NFL boards I browse at think he's a very hot FA. One of the top.

And most here are glad he's leaving.
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What's the old saying?

"No matter how hot she is... somebody, somewhere is sick of her ****."

It's kinda like that with Pay Me Rick.
 
WWJD said:
It's funny how fans perceptions are so different.

Most NFL boards I browse at think he's a very hot FA. One of the top.

And most here are glad he's leaving.
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I also remember Carolina fans being extremely stoked when they signed HWSRN, too.
 
Esoom said:
This is exactly what I was trying to say. He hasn't done anything disruptive or detrimental to the team, except not playing as well as he used to. It's not like he was out there and not giving it 100%, because I believe he was giving it his all. He's just not as good anymore.
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I do not think there would be any qestion pre injury he would have gotten a healthy contract in 07 he was not just a starting CB I'd say he was one of best in the league. There was not any doubt at the time he was the number one CB on the team. I am not saying he was the greatest CB ever but he sure was the best ever in the history of the fanchise fans foregett the Texans were probably on their way to having yet another Probowler on their roster before he went down it is just the truth. I mean right now if Dunte had not gotten hurt Texans fans just might be talking about AJ, OD, Matt and the list goes on Dunte included as All Stars I am just being real here we have to remember at the time there really was not a shutdown corner in the NFL and Dunte used to be one of the closest things to a shutdown corner around the league. There is only one true shutdown CB in the league today his name is Reevis. When I think about the possible All Stars the Texans more than likely would have haven had 07 form Dunte been on the field today along with a healthy OD I sort of cringe a little bit. An 07 DRob is a keeper for sure IMO. The D would be better off right now and with a healthy DD who would have been in his prime right now no one knows how much further along this team would be if it were not for the injury bug. DD was ment to be the franchise RB and the first 1,000 plus yard rusher for the Texans and then bam he is done so you just never know. I will say he gave the Texans his all but the whole skipping training camp thing and writing on his shoes just kind of got my goat as is the case with most Texans fans. He knows deep down he is not worth the cash he was once worth anymore but since football is all he has, why not? I don't blame him afterall just like all those who work he does have a retirement to plan for and we still might think he's an asshole while doing do so and that is fine to each his own but the real shame of all of this is the 07 injury IMO, because if not for that he'd still be here and the fans would still love him. I respect his play on the field and the fact that at one point and time we was the vocal leader of the team both on and off the field.
 
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