C.J. obviously loves money 1st and foremost or DM wouldn't be his agent.
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Welcome to Houston CJ Stroud
- Thread starter Texansballer74
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You can love getting paid and still be great. Peyton Manning never discounted his services.
I don't blame any of these kids for maximizing their value from a multi-billion dollar entertainment company. There is nothing inherently noble about being an entertainer.
Watson wanted out because of his personal life. He thought he could outrun it. His agent was just doing what his client told him to do.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Christ almighty, we can't have anybody making sense here, it'd ruin the board.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Yeah. Wanting a small QB from a gimmick system, from a school with a long history of busts, makes little sense. If they wanted to tank, they should have kept Lovie. You don't bring in a hot new coach, tell him he can't take the QB he wants, and that he has to destroy his career to maybe get the chance to draft a particular guy next year.
If Williams is the next Andrew Luck, you would need to get the No. 1 pick to get him, no one is trading out of that spot if he is that much of a can't-miss QB prospect.
Texazan
Our HOF 34
Hey dont forget Burrow, CJ loves him so Joe Burrow.
I haven't read that.
michaelm
vox nihili
It's weird that you haven't read it considering that Stroud made the comment in the same interview that he cited Vick and Watson as inspirations for similar style of play (not his idols or guys he hangs out with).
Actually he made the statement not only in the same interview, it was in the same sentence and possibly even the same breath.
CJ Stroud says he looked up to Deshaun Watson, Michael Vick
Stroud, who is a candidate to be the No. 1 pick in next month’s NFL Draft, first mentioned Michael Vick.
nypost.com
Don’t let reality get in the way of a good narrative.It's weird that you haven't read it considering that Stroud made the comment in the same interview that he cited Vick and Watson as inspirations for similar style of play (not his idols or guys he hangs out with).
Actually he made the statement not only in the same interview, it was in the same sentence and possibly even the same breath.
CJ Stroud says he looked up to Deshaun Watson, Michael Vick
Stroud, who is a candidate to be the No. 1 pick in next month’s NFL Draft, first mentioned Michael Vick.
It's weird that you haven't read it considering that Stroud made the comment in the same interview that he cited Vick and Watson as inspirations for similar style of play (not his idols or guys he hangs out with).
Actually he made the statement not only in the same interview, it was in the same sentence and possibly even the same breath.
CJ Stroud says he looked up to Deshaun Watson, Michael Vick
Stroud, who is a candidate to be the No. 1 pick in next month’s NFL Draft, first mentioned Michael Vick.
That's because I was probably trying to get over throwing up in my mouth at the time.
Go dot the I and get back to me when the next Ohio St. QB is worth a crap.
badboy
Hall of Fame
DW appeared to love it here after signing extension...
michaelm
vox nihili
You realize, Michael's Vick's rookie year was the same year CJ Stroud was born.
So he grew up as a child, inspired by a black QB and that QB's style of play and wanted to emulate it.
Stroud was a literal child when he started looking up to Vick for his style of play and wanting to have a similar style of play.
Your whole argument that he idolized these guys for anything other than how they played is just flat wrong.
Everything you need to know is in this 10 or so second video.
If you can watch this and still keep pushing your narrative, honestly I don't know what to say.
You realize, Michael's Vick's rookie year was the same year CJ Stroud was born.
So he grew up as a child, inspired by a black QB and that QB's style of play and wanted to emulate it.
Stroud was a literal child when he started looking up to Vick for his style of play and wanting to have a similar style of play.
Your whole argument that he idolized these guys for anything other than how they played is just flat wrong.
Everything you need to know is in this 10 or so second video.
If you can watch this and still keep pushing your narrative, honestly I don't know what to say.
Good for him
The words I look up to a dog fighter and a serial predator should never cross a mans lips even if he's talking about football. Frankly, now we can see why he scored so badly on those tests.
michaelm
vox nihili
Maybe you should watch the video, for context and to see how Burrow was mentioned as well?
Have you ever watched the interview, or only headlines quoting CJ Stroud looks up to Michael Vick?
I just got through watching the video before I made that post.
I'll stand behind my post.
michaelm
vox nihili
I never doubted you'd stand behind your post. I'd have bet a paycheck on that.
But if you can watch that video, and think a 21 year old kid is a POS because of two guys that he emulated style wise, I think you need to take a good look inside. Because that opinion is way more about you than it is about him. IMO.
I'm fine with myself.
Never should a guy even bring up Vick and Derrick in a press conference and it really speaks for itself why he doesn't test well. No awareness, which is what the S-2 is all about.
Porky
Hall of Fame
We've had exactly two QB's on this team worth a damn.
Schaub was a pro's pro. He was pretty limited athletically with a very average arm, but I give Kubiak a ton of credit for molding an offense around him to best suit his skillset, and Matt worked damn hard to get every ounce that he could give.
Watson is an enigma and always will be. He literally had the world in his hands. They sat him on the bench for roughly 4 games in his rookie year. They bring him out of mothballs against Cincinnati, and while it was very rough around the edges in the passing game, you could see the athletism, high-level processing, and the eyes in the back of the head Houdini act immediately. From there, he steadily improved in the pass game and many of us finally thought here's our franchise QB. The rest is history.
The rest of the story of this franchise is various levels of poor QB play.
There's a point in here somewhere. Oh right lol. This fanbase and the members of this board have scorched every single one of these QB's. Hell, Schaub took his turn too, as did Watson. Watson wasn't accurate enough, and played too much "hero ball". Schaub had a wet noodle for an arm. He always underthrows AJ on those deep shots. Carr caught hell from this board. To this day, it's considered a bad omen to even say his name. Osweiler was called Assweiler, and that was on a good day when he wasn't being lit up like a Christmas tree around here.
So, my question is...what makes Mills different? Why the kid gloves with Mills? Some folks on this board appear to take it as a personal affront that he's not being given some sort of mad respect and a 3rd chance to prove he can be a quality starter. There's an entire thread on that subject. Where was the Osweiler respect thread or the Carr respect thread?
In short....I don't get it. Davis is a nice kid, and has a few decent individual traits but I think if his trajectory was even simply a "decent starter" I'm pretty sure we'd have seen those signs by now. It's not about any treatment or some personal dig at the young man. It's about wanting this team to be the best it can possibly be.
For better or for worse, CJ is now leading this club for the foreseeable future. This isn't directed at any one person but to me life's way too short to ***** and moan over a QB selection. If you see bust - fine by me. State your case as to why with facts. CJ is subject to critical analysis like anyone. I love talking about football and learning from you guys and getting other POV's. But being a petty, whiny, troll? Eh, go for it if that's your bag. But I'm pretty much done taking the bait with that angle. I'd rather talk real ball with all of you guys and gals. That's what I am here for. Just saying something to get a rise out of people. Screw that. Like I said - this isn't one person. Hell, I've been guilty a time or three. Let's ALL try to be better. I think that will make this board a better place to learn and have fun. And with that, I'm done with this conversation.
Schaub was a pro's pro. He was pretty limited athletically with a very average arm, but I give Kubiak a ton of credit for molding an offense around him to best suit his skillset, and Matt worked damn hard to get every ounce that he could give.
Watson is an enigma and always will be. He literally had the world in his hands. They sat him on the bench for roughly 4 games in his rookie year. They bring him out of mothballs against Cincinnati, and while it was very rough around the edges in the passing game, you could see the athletism, high-level processing, and the eyes in the back of the head Houdini act immediately. From there, he steadily improved in the pass game and many of us finally thought here's our franchise QB. The rest is history.
The rest of the story of this franchise is various levels of poor QB play.
There's a point in here somewhere. Oh right lol. This fanbase and the members of this board have scorched every single one of these QB's. Hell, Schaub took his turn too, as did Watson. Watson wasn't accurate enough, and played too much "hero ball". Schaub had a wet noodle for an arm. He always underthrows AJ on those deep shots. Carr caught hell from this board. To this day, it's considered a bad omen to even say his name. Osweiler was called Assweiler, and that was on a good day when he wasn't being lit up like a Christmas tree around here.
So, my question is...what makes Mills different? Why the kid gloves with Mills? Some folks on this board appear to take it as a personal affront that he's not being given some sort of mad respect and a 3rd chance to prove he can be a quality starter. There's an entire thread on that subject. Where was the Osweiler respect thread or the Carr respect thread?
In short....I don't get it. Davis is a nice kid, and has a few decent individual traits but I think if his trajectory was even simply a "decent starter" I'm pretty sure we'd have seen those signs by now. It's not about any treatment or some personal dig at the young man. It's about wanting this team to be the best it can possibly be.
For better or for worse, CJ is now leading this club for the foreseeable future. This isn't directed at any one person but to me life's way too short to ***** and moan over a QB selection. If you see bust - fine by me. State your case as to why with facts. CJ is subject to critical analysis like anyone. I love talking about football and learning from you guys and getting other POV's. But being a petty, whiny, troll? Eh, go for it if that's your bag. But I'm pretty much done taking the bait with that angle. I'd rather talk real ball with all of you guys and gals. That's what I am here for. Just saying something to get a rise out of people. Screw that. Like I said - this isn't one person. Hell, I've been guilty a time or three. Let's ALL try to be better. I think that will make this board a better place to learn and have fun. And with that, I'm done with this conversation.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
???
Watson came in in the 1st game and started every game until he blew out his knee.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Yeah, that Cincy game was the second game of the season AND it was on a Thursday night, so they didn't even have a chance to really install a new offense for him. They had to basically go with what they'd set up for Savage for Game 1 with some tweaks.
And in that Cincy game, he relied on his legs and I had doubts he was going to be able to step up.
Then the Patriot game happened and it was like WTF. He can play. But everyone said we lost and that the Titan defense was going to devour him whole because the Patriot D was suspect.
Which led to that GLORIOUS 57-14 shellacking of the Titans.
Oh.
That was SO good.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I'm getting old Speedy! Is that a good excuse lol. For some reason, my recollection was he came in around 3rd or 4th game, but game logs prove I'm wrong. Ok, that's the first time! But thanks for the reminder.
Looking at the old game logs made me remember. He looked a bit lost in game one against Jax. Only threw for about 100 yards. A rookie playing game 1.1. Kind of expected. Then he had a short week to prepare for Cincy on a Thursday. The passing game was very iffy again with 125 yards passing, but he had a breakout run for a TD in that game, and you could really see the magic. Then, he had about 10 days to prepare for NE. That's when the lightbulb went off for him in the passing game. He was 22 for 33 for 301 yards. That's when I knew we had something, and from then on he was dynamic.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Getting old is a great excuse. Use it quite a bit myself.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Whut?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Say it louder for the people in the back
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I said the same thing, it doesn't matter.You realize, Michael's Vick's rookie year was the same year CJ Stroud was born.
So he grew up as a child, inspired by a black QB and that QB's style of play and wanted to emulate it.
Stroud was a literal child when he started looking up to Vick for his style of play and wanting to have a similar style of play.
Your whole argument that he idolized these guys for anything other than how they played is just flat wrong.
Everything you need to know is in this 10 or so second video.
If you can watch this and still keep pushing your narrative, honestly I don't know what to say.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
When has a Lincoln Riley or Mack Brown qb been worth a damn in the nfl?
BattleRedBlud
Blue Steel Pose. No Excuses!
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This isn't about Mills.
This is about no excuses for Stroud, if he's so much better than Mills and he should be then there should be no excuses particularly because Stroud has much better weapons to work with.
If Stroud plays like Mills did I hope you treat Stroud the same way you did Mills. You know failing in the clutch type stuff, throwing inaccurate passes while facing pressure up the middle of the OL etc...
Just as often as Ohio St. has produced even a decent NFL QB.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Not apart of the agenda. It was posted on here both the video and word document. Dude just ignored that part
When I was watching on ESPN they already had “the pick is in” before the 5 min mark on both selections. I knew they weren’t going to announce until the clock reached 3 minutes though. lol
Texansballer74
The Marine
John P. Lopez – Call it fate: Why C.J. Stroud belongs here, now and surely will not disappoint - Gallery Sports
The teacher then wrote on the whiteboard, “0.078%” and told Stroud, “That’s your chance of playing in the NFL. In reality, Stroud’s chances were even less than that...
www.gallerysports.com
Was he getting high with Snoop Dog when he said this?
edo783
Hall of Fame
I sure hope CJ doesn't expect that clean of a pocket. He got some pressure, but only after the protection broke down. In the NFL defenders are on the QB in less than 2 seconds. Not hitting him but within about a yard. In the clip he had 2-4 yards before guys started getting close to him. It going to be a much more muddied pocket in the pro's. I exit will take a few games to get used to that.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
It may take TC and half a season for him to settle down and be use to the speed and D players around pretty much every play. The plus is that he is still very accurate until he really has to scoot out of that pocket and pull trigger. He, as seen in the video I posted, can still make amazing throws with touch and accurate. The issue will probably be rolling and throwing WRs open. That's in the video a few times with decent results. On the flip side, most NFL WRs will make a catch on 75% of the missed type from the video. They just have to be ready to get hit hard right after the catch if covered as well as some in the video. CJ can get it to them but they have to have it secure and not drop it when they get hit by the DB running full out a yard or less from them.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Texansballer74
The Marine
zshawn10
All Pro
Texans owner says he didn't force Stroud pick
Texans owner Cal McNair said Monday that neither he nor his wife forced the selection of C.J. Stroud in this year's draft.
www.espn.com
Mom Stroud likes BBQ. So, she's alright in my book.
OK, Cal would never lie to cover his butt if this doesn't workout.Texans owner says he didn't force Stroud pick
Texans owner Cal McNair said Monday that neither he nor his wife forced the selection of C.J. Stroud in this year's draft.