A lack of physicality says it all when it comes to this offense.
DJ should've been cut after this game if we're talking about accountability and culture.
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Well, that's what you get for jumping into the middle of a conversation/argument.
Caserio and Culley are fools to make Mills the backup QB.
This is not Pee Wee league where anybody and everybody gets to play.
Also, fans spend a lot of money on the team and to watch a professional game, not practice.
People can't use excuses like "oh, but he only had 11 college starts and limited time in the NFL".
Then sit.
They didn't have any problem bringing up the Patriots game.
Well, then they shouldn't have any problem when I and others bring up the rest of the games.
The number one job of a backup QB is to protect the ball, and not turning it over.
Mills' first Int in the Colts game resulted in a quick TD for the opponent and put the Texans behind the 8 ball.
Like I said, it was first and 10 and there was no pressure.
There was just one receiver on that side.
The QB has to know that the defender can easily (and is often taught to) squeeze the route.
He has time.
He needs to check that.
But he doesn't know how to read defense so it comes back to the fact that he has no business to be on the field.
He lacks too much fundamental to be out there on the NFL field.
So when something goes right, it's Mills.
When something goes bad, it's the HC, the OC, and so on?
Hmm, no.Is this the same thing that when Derrick did something right it was all him and when something went wrong it was all BOB?
So when something goes right, it's Mills.
When something goes bad, it's the HC, the OC, and so on?
Cowboys vs Pats?You know who else threw a pick like that on Sunday, (One DB came off the guy he was covering for the int.) Dak, I guess he cant read defenses either.
Point is these types of ints happen to all QB's, even more often to rookie QB's.
So a game plan that have the backs going for 27-129 yards is bad?Apparently you watched a different game than most. And I am not the only person saying that the staff screwed up. Multiple NFL reporters, analysts and more are saying that Culley didn't have the game plan right. Culley also said it himself if you look.
So a game plan that have the backs going for 27-129 yards is bad?
The game plan that had Mills connected for 243 yards is bad?
The coaches told Mills to throw an INT on 1st and 10 with no pressure anywhere around?
I don't see how you can say he was better vs the Colts than he was vs. the Pats .Throwing an INT is a mistake. As you learn the game it happens less. Again, stated in the original reply. He threw 1 pick that was 100% on him and another that wasn't. In was a very good play by a DB. I don’t understand the logic in your posting. Most feel that Mills is improving and playing better. Not just on the forums but in the media, the analysis from the experts who are paid to break down film. Nobody is saying he is the second coming of Brady, Rogers or Manning. They are just stating that he is getting better. Which is what you want to see in any rookie player at any position. Now, if you just don’t like him. That's also fine, and your posts seem to indicate you don't. Otherwise, saying he played better (besides 1 game) than he did in his 1st game is growth and/or development at his position in his play.
Wasn’t that INT thrown over the middle? The LBer jumped it over the middle. Pretty sure I wasn’t drunk for that part of the game. I know, I know, I need to pick up my game!There was just one receiver on that side.
I don't see how you can say he was better vs the Colts than he was vs. the Pats .
Please tell me how?
And that 32nd ranking; that doesn't tell me people saw him as improving.
Then those increasing Vegas odds.
You know these people employ mathematical models that utilize the knowledge of the football people.
It doesn't lie.
And here, ESPN dropped him from 30 to 32.Throwing an INT is a mistake. As you learn the game it happens less. Again, stated in the original reply. He threw 1 pick that was 100% on him and another that wasn't. In was a very good play by a DB. I don’t understand the logic in your posting. Most feel that Mills is improving and playing better. Not just on the forums but in the media, the analysis from the experts who are paid to break down film. Nobody is saying he is the second coming of Brady, Rogers or Manning. They are just stating that he is getting better. Which is what you want to see in any rookie player at any position. Now, if you just don’t like him. That's also fine, and your posts seem to indicate you don't. Otherwise, saying he played better (besides 1 game) than he did in his 1st game is growth and/or development at his position in his play.
What does it have to do with stats when I ask how do you think he played better against the Colts than he played against the Pats.Not saying you're wrong in what you're asserting here, but it seems you put too much stock in stats when it comes to these types of discussions. The stats sway you more than maybe you'd like to admit.
Wasn’t that INT thrown over the middle? The LBer jumped it over the middle. Pretty sure I wasn’t drunk for that part of the game. I know, I know, I need to pick up my game!
And here, ESPN dropped him from 30 to 32.
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And the Colts D ain't better than the Pats'
I feel sorry for Mills, but like I had said, I don't even want another Schaub's level of performance QB.I think some people ride Mills so hard because they don't like the decisions that Culley and Caserio made that led to Mills being put in a position to have to play. It is their way of underscoring that they were right about them not being qualified to do their jobs. They actually wants Mills to play worse to validate their positions about the entire organization and the decisions they made. Being right is all that matters and will use data to support it, until it doesn't. Then they will move goalposts to go with subjective analysis. They will wear you down with a thousand posts and declare victory when you finally stop responding.
Why?They were on this past Sunday.
Why?
What happened to Mills?
Did he play better?
Let me ask you a straight question.I think some people ride Mills so hard because they don't like the decisions that Culley and Caserio made that led to Mills being put in a position to have to play. It is their way of underscoring that they were right about them not being qualified to do their jobs. They actually wants Mills to play worse to validate their positions about the entire organization and the decisions they made. Being right is all that matters and will use data to support it, until it doesn't. Then they will move goalposts to go with subjective analysis. They will wear you down with a thousand posts and declare victory when you finally stop responding.
I think some people ride Mills so hard because they don't like the decisions that Culley and Caserio made that led to Mills being put in a position to have to play. It is their way of underscoring that they were right about them not being qualified to do their jobs. They actually wants Mills to play worse to validate their positions about the entire organization and the decisions they made. Being right is all that matters and will use data to support it, until it doesn't. Then they will move goalposts to go with subjective analysis. They will wear you down with a thousand posts and declare victory when you finally stop responding.
Let
Let me ask you a straight question.
Do you want to have a QB that is better than Schaub?
So you're saying that Mills is going to be better than Schaub?I would be very happy with a more mobile 2007 Schaub. Plus Mills has a much better arm than Schaub ever had. If Mills doesn't become a franchise QB it wont be because of talent.
So you're saying that Mills is going to be better than Schaub?
You’re probably right about “some” people.I think some people ride Mills so hard because they don't like the decisions that Culley and Caserio made that led to Mills being put in a position to have to play. It is their way of underscoring that they were right about them not being qualified to do their jobs.
That's subjective, isn't it?I'm saying he's got the ability to be better than Schaub.
Nope, the Colts just flat out beat the Texans in all phases of the game.
And Schaub came up under Jim Mora (who had career losing record, and didn't last but 4 years as a HC.)I'm saying he's got the ability to be better than Schaub.
More importantly, they had the advantage in TOP at 34:33Texans ran for 126 yards
You’re probably right about “some” people.
I’m holding out that Caserio & Culley are going to turn this thing around & have the Texans competing for a Super Bowl in the next five years.
I don’t like that they put Davis in the position he is in, but I’m coming to the conclusion they’re more right than I am.
He looks as competent as any other QB in this draft. But he doesn’t show any “wow” the other guys definitely look more talented. Arm, legs. I’ve yet to see a “wow” play from Mills.
And that’s just got me wondering what exactly is the plan for this guy. He doesn’t look like a franchise QB. Maybe he can be Alex Smith for a couple of years. Build a team around him, then plug in our Mahomes three years from now.
Maybe.
It took Smith 3 seasons (30 starts) plus an IR season to become a game manager.If the ceiling is that he can Alex Smith this goat rodeo until they build a contender, then get replaced by a legit franchise QB as the team peaks, I would consider that a win.
Just because I want him to play at a good Alex Smith level does not mean I want him to follow Alex Smith's career path.It took Smith 3 seasons (30 starts) plus an IR season to become a game manager.
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And the Niners didn't achieve a winning season until Smith's 7th year.
Do you have the patient to wait that long?
Do you think the fans, in general, will be cool with that?
It took Smith 3 seasons (30 starts) plus an IR season to become a game manager.
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And the Niners didn't achieve a winning season until Smith's 7th year.
Do you have the patient to wait that long?
Do you think the fans, in general, will be cool with that?
I'm not trying to be offensive or anything like that.Your purposeful literalness in attempts to make a point is insufferable.
Yes, I absolutely meant that I wanted Mills to play poorly for multiple seasons and have a devastating injury causing him to miss an entire year, be a mediocre QB for a few more years before finally putting it all together in season 7, which of course would have been on his second contract that he signed.
How could you have thought I meant anything other than that.
I in no way, shape or form intended to mean that the concept of Mills as an effective game manager would be a preferable option during a rebuild so that they could spend draft picks and $$$ building the foundation of the team, even though that was the comment that I quoted in my post.
Same as my above-post.Just because I want him to play at a good Alex Smith level does not mean I want him to follow Alex Smith's career path.
I don't know that Davis Mills will ever be a franchise QB. I'm hoping he's at least a bridge.
Same as my above-post.
Since you guys made the Alex Smith reference , I need to know a time frame.
I’m holding out that Caserio & Culley are going to turn this thing around & have the Texans competing for a Super Bowl in the next five years.
And that’s just got me wondering what exactly is the plan for this guy. He doesn’t look like a franchise QB. Maybe he can be Alex Smith for a couple of years. Build a team around him, then plug in our Mahomes three years from now.
My bad.I'm sorry I was so cryptic
I don't know. Please tell me what to expect.My bad.
So what do you expect of Mills next year when you refer to "Alex Smith" in that post?
I don't recall Steelb saying Mills is a franchise qb. I do recall him saying that Mills has the tools to become a franchise qb. I believe his position is that he wants to continue to play Mills and evaluate him this season. I believe I also recall him saying he would draft a qb next year, although not necessarily in the first round. Now, I may be wrong, in which case I'm sure he will correct and clarify.Now, I know you're not steelb, but his "game plan" (from the horse mouth) is to draft a QB until the team find a bonafide franchise QB.
He then stated that he sees Mills as a franchise QB.
But then when I pressed on as to when, he couldn't give me an estimate.
IMO, that's a double standard.
It means he's not sure when.
In that case, he ought to want the Texans to keep drafting QB(s).
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Well, I didn't bring up Alex Smith.I don't know. Please tell me what to expect.
Not 100% (simply because nobody can say 100% at this time), but steelb did say "it looks like NC had found his franchise QB".I don't recall Steelb saying Mills is a franchise qb. I do recall him saying that Mills has the tools to become a franchise qb. I believe his position is that he wants to continue to play Mills and evaluate him this season. I believe I also recall him saying he would draft a qb next year, although not necessarily in the first round. Now, I may be wrong, in which case I'm sure he will correct and clarify.
Now, my opinion, I believe the collage season so far has not highlighted an elite prospect at qb. In this case, we could start Mills next season and see what the qb prospects are in the 2023 draft. We will possibly have multiple ones from any Watson trade in 2023 and could make a move to acquire a franchise qb at that time.
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I don't recall Steelb saying Mills is a franchise qb. I do recall him saying that Mills has the tools to become a franchise qb. I believe his position is that he wants to continue to play Mills and evaluate him this season. I believe I also recall him saying he would draft a qb next year, although not necessarily in the first round. Now, I may be wrong, in which case I'm sure he will correct and clarify.
Now, my opinion, I believe the collage season so far has not highlighted an elite prospect at qb. In this case, we could start Mills next season and see what the qb prospects are in the 2023 draft. We will possibly have multiple ones from any Watson trade in 2023 and could make a move to acquire a franchise qb at that time.
I'm quoting you here to tie with the other posts.I would be very happy with a more mobile 2007 Schaub. Plus Mills has a much better arm than Schaub ever had. If Mills doesn't become a franchise QB it wont be because of talent.
And one more quote to boost.I'm saying he's got the ability to be better than Schaub.
And one more quote to boost.
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In summary, you had said "Caserio may have found his QB", "the future looks bright" (with Mills), "Mills have the ability to be better than Schaub".
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How should I interpret these statements of yours?
Taken in context with other posts, I interpreted this to refer to physical talent - arm strength and ability to make throws. Injury is one thing which can sideline a player. But more important, and what requires evaluation, would be the ability to read the field and make proper decisions, his processing speed and instincts, especially under pressure. These are things which can't be evaluated at the combine or on the practice field. They only become apparent under game conditions.I'm quoting you here to tie with the other posts.
I'd rather hear it straight from the horse mouth.If dude realizes his potential, which was set at Schaub+, the GM made a great pick.
How else are you attempting to interpret his quotes?
How should I interpret his saying "the future is bright"Taken in context with other posts, I interpreted this to refer to physical talent - arm strength and ability to make throws. Injury is one thing which can sideline a player. But more important, and what requires evaluation, would be the ability to read the field and make proper decisions, his processing speed and instincts, especially under pressure. These are things which can't be evaluated at the combine or on the practice field. They only become apparent under game conditions.