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You're reaching. He's not dictating coverage or schemes. You can find 50 m players in the NFL to do what Johnson does
You’re reaching if that’s your measuring stick if someone played well on this team.
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You're reaching. He's not dictating coverage or schemes. You can find 50 m players in the NFL to do what Johnson does
You’re reaching if that’s your measuring stick if someone played well on this team.
Catching swing passes out the backfield, but can't run, what good is that? James Robinson in Jax is undrafted and makes pennies and do everything Johnson does and moreYou’re reaching if that’s your measuring stick if someone played well on this team.
No one (besides you) is comparing DJ’s skills or salary with any other RB. It’s true, DJ made some plays today. Probably one of his best games since joining the club. Had some good runs, and made some nice catches. TODAY.Catching swing passes out the backfield, but can't run, what good is that? James Robinson in Jax is undrafted and makes pennies and do everything Johnson does and more
Why do it in 2 or 3 when you can do it in 1?
All the hits should've been taken this year. Merci, DJ, Murray should've all been cut
I can only think of one "bad" throw... the one Moore scored on. What were the other "almost INTs"?
How are Almost Interceptions calculated into the QBR formula?
PFF tracks what they call "turnover-worthy plays" vs. "big time throws", among other stats - which I think are helpful as part of a QB evaluation.….that stat line is strictly calculated by, when they played the Texans.
I think the ability to thread the needle is important, especially against a good-great defense.there was that one he squeezed into Cooks into the smallest of windows.
PFF tracks what they call "turnover-worthy plays" vs. "big time throws", among other stats - which I think are helpful as part of a QB evaluation.
What I normally do is to use it in conjunction with the play by play.If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle...
PFF had made millions creating all kinds of "advanced metrics" for stats geeks to whip out their credit card for. Just because they create a stat, especially a "what-if" stat based on speculation/subjectivity instead of facts, doesn't mean it is a valid assessment tool or that it actually provides a proper narrative.
I've been in analytics for 30 years. I can make data say whatever I (or the boss) want it to say. I also know people by nature will take data as the gospel instead of using it as a tool to do critical thinking (I know you said "helpful as a part of" so not saying you). Just don't think that because a stat has been created that it is valuable, especially qualitative stats that have no quantitative values.
So yeah, when the response is "but PFF has a stat" I am not going to get too excited. That site is porn for geeks.
So the fault is with the people who misuse the stats & not PFF for creating a product to fill a need?I've been in analytics for 30 years. I can make data say whatever I (or the boss) want it to say.
I've been in analytics for 30 years. I can make data say whatever I (or the boss) want it to say.
So the fault is with the people who misuse the stats & not PFF for creating a product to fill a need?
I would challenge that they are simply trying to fill a need. More like they recognize a revenue stream and create products to maximize that potential. Just because someone produces a data set doesn't make it needed, valuable or in some cases, without an agenda.
PFF tracks what they call "turnover-worthy plays" vs. "big time throws", among other stats - which I think are helpful as part of a QB evaluation.
If it’s selling, & from my understanding NFL teams are their primary customer, then it’s filling a need.Just because someone produces a data set doesn't make it needed, valuable or in some cases, without an agenda.
If it’s selling, & from my understanding NFL teams are their primary customer, then it’s filling a need.
I’m not a PFF fan, but people aren’t going to buy their products just because they put it out.
More sets of eyes to help the scouts.Meh, the free market is filled with examples of clever marketing schemes creating needs that didn't exist, or exploiting the actual level of need, for profit.
Do we really think that teams can't properly evaluate a QB without the "turnover worthy play" metric?
More sets of eyes to help the scouts.
And they (PFF) are not the only ones.
The more perspectives one has, the less the chance of being biased (subjective).
You're not using it as a part of the points accumulated for a player, just to remind yourself not to fall in love with such player, and to take another look at the player from other perspectives.Agreed on this last part, except that you use quantitative data - not qualitative data - to balance out your own subjective bias. Otherwise you are simply comparing your opinions to others. You can create a score and call it a metric, but this data point is purely speculative.
Because if you can accept a scientific basis for it, then you have to accept that the entire timeline of the game would change from that point forward, rendering any actual stats as subjective as well. What if he throws for a TD on the next play after a turnover-worthy play? Do we not credit that TD in their overall QBR or assessment because it never should have happened? It's a literal Pandora's Box when you start using subjective data in analytics.
That was a great throwthere was that one he squeezed into Cooks into the smallest of windows.
He's a culture guy. They prefer that over guys who can actually make plays.DJ's a good player, he's just really overpaid.
That's why he leads the team in carries... wait, that's not true.He's a culture guy. They prefer that over guys who can actually make plays.
They could've cut him and ate 2m vs restructuring him and paying him 4mThat's why he leads the team in carries... wait, that's not true.
That's why he lead the team in snaps... uh, that's not true either.
I think the only reason he's on the team is because he has a toxic contract...
He's a culture guy. They prefer that over guys who can actually make plays.
Do the Colts have any pass rushers? I think Geron will protect the project just fineWhat are your expectation of Mills this week? With Tunsil out and the Colts desperate for a win, I expect this to be a test for Mills. Hopefully Amendola will be back, how long until Collins makes it back? Collins needs to get all of the snaps he can get
If Jackson threw for over 400 yds against the horseshoes, I think Mills can do 300+.What are your expectation of Mills this week?
Cooks can play, always have been a very good player. KGH can play too. In terms of Mills, are we comparing him to other rookies or if he has the ability to be top shelf? We've seen Watson have one of the worse olines every year and still be a top tier qb correct? So not having a player isn't a reason not to perform adequately.None of those guys are on the current team. Except Hopefully Mills/Collins, I doubt 2 years Cooks/Mercilus/Cunningham. I will tell you this KGH can play. Hopefully they keep Reid and add through the draft. If Caserio gets lucky maybe he get two 1sts for Derrick and if Caserio hits on Mills (Jury's out) This season will have been a success. The fact is I think he's done very well considering the circumstances/Defenses he's had to face. He's done better than I expected. He's been much better than most QB's drafted in the 1st rd and I want to see him play the rest of the yr, because he needs too and I'm looking forward to seeing if last week is a great week or if this guy is the real deal. He looked pretty good to me last week, can he continue to progress.
What are your expectation of Mills this week? With Tunsil out and the Colts desperate for a win, I expect this to be a test for Mills. Hopefully Amendola will be back, how long until Collins makes it back? Collins needs to get all of the snaps he can get.
Cooks can play, always have been a very good player. KGH can play too. In terms of Mills, are we comparing him to other rookies or if he has the ability to be top shelf? We've seen Watson have one of the worse olines every year and still be a top tier qb correct? So not having a player isn't a reason not to perform adequately.
In regards to Caserio, why is he getting a pass already? He hired Culley correct? The dont have a definite plan based on their transactions in my opinion. You cant rebuild and compete at the same time, history has taught us that. If this team is in rebuild mode, Mills should get the snaps to get a good evaluation on what he can become. Same with Ominohu, Johnson, and Scotty the running back.
Culley is a placeholder
Jacksonville, the Jets, Miami... they've been "rebuilding" & they haven't got anything.You cant rebuild and compete at the same time, history has taught us that.
If Culley is a placeholder, so is Mills. NO reason to "develop" him on the field. Put a QB back there who knows what he's doing so guys like Howard, Heck, & Collins won't be hindered in their development.
Mills is 22 and clueless. Culley is 66 and clueless.If Culley is a placeholder, so is Mills.
After last weeks game I'm sure Caserio isn't looking at things the way you are.
Comparing a rookie QB to a 1st time 65 yr old HC? Can you say REACH?
Mills is 22 and clueless. Culley is 66 and clueless.
I can't figure out half the things Caserio does.I don't know why Caserio would defer to his QB Coach if he's thinking that staff won't be here but a year or two.
Jacksonville, the Jets, Miami... they've been "rebuilding" & they haven't got anything.
I have no idea if Caserio's "method" is any better. I don't even know what Caserio's method is. But if you know who was QBing this team the way it is currently constructed, we'd have a fighting chance of winning the division & building something in the next few years.
If Tyrod were playing it's totally plausible this team would have won in Carolina & against New England.
You forgot the Browns. It is very plausible that the Texans could be 4-1 right now if TT had stayed healthy.If Tyrod were playing it's totally plausible this team would have won in Carolina & against New England.
True.You forgot the Browns. It is very plausible that the Texans could be 4-1 right now if TT had stayed healthy.
I can't figure out half the things Caserio does.
How many times have you seen a coach come in and wants his qb? Almost everytime correct? So in Essence, they're both placeholders. Back to the the accountability thing, in the NFL, you have to have a level of talent. As with all the other unsuccessful Belicheck clones, they start grabbing guys from New England who only play well in New England. Classic case is Jamie Collins. I'm sure Whitney and Martin are checking all the boxes away from GameDay, but they just can't play. Watching Cannon play Rt vs Howard last year, its clear it was a mistake to move Howard. Talent wins in this leagueAfter last weeks game I'm sure Caserio isn't looking at things the way you are.
Comparing a rookie QB to a 1st time 65 yr old HC? Can you say REACH?
How many times have you seen a coach come in and wants his qb? Almost everytime correct? So in Essence, they're both placeholders. Back to the the accountability thing, in the NFL, you have to have a level of talent. As with all the other unsuccessful Belicheck clones, they start grabbing guys from New England who only play well in New England. Classic case is Jamie Collins. I'm sure Whitney and Martin are checking all the boxes away from GameDay, but they just can't play. Watching Cannon play Rt vs Howard last year, its clear it was a mistake to move Howard. Talent wins in this league
How many times have you seen a coach come in and wants his qb? Almost everytime correct? So in Essence, they're both placeholders. Back to the the accountability thing, in the NFL, you have to have a level of talent. As with all the other unsuccessful Belicheck clones, they start grabbing guys from New England who only play well in New England. Classic case is Jamie Collins. I'm sure Whitney and Martin are checking all the boxes away from GameDay, but they just can't play. Watching Cannon play Rt vs Howard last year, its clear it was a mistake to move Howard. Talent wins in this league
Why remove the dark cloud in Easterby?This year is about turning the culture around & stabilizing this organization........period. Removing the dark cloud that is the Easterby SI article.......the DW4 civil lawsuits & FO turmoil that has effectively plagued this organization over the last 5+ years.
Dak was proven, pro bowl caliber qb before McCarthy came in last yr. Plus we know Jerry is the hammer over their. McClay gets the talent, a guy who the Texans didn't even interview and Jerry pays and act like he's scouting playersGM's yes, HC's not so much look at Dak as an example.
I'm just happy that we're going to get a chance to see how Heck does for an extended period of time. I've always though Howard was a LG playing RT. Now I'm beginning to think Howard is nothing more than an avg LG that Gaine/BOB/Devlin wasted a 1st rd pick on.
So then you pretty must just called Howard a bust Steel.I'm just happy that we're going to get a chance to see how Heck does for an extended period of time. I've always though Howard was a LG playing RT. Now I'm beginning to think Howard is nothing more than an avg LG that Gaine/BOB/Devlin wasted a 1st rd pick on.