Oh... the irony.Doubtful, but he will find somebody else to blame.
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Oh... the irony.Doubtful, but he will find somebody else to blame.
It’s actually cluthfans. Rockets BBSI dont hate anybody. I see you left out the part where I said some of the same things about Schaub/Os, I wonder why? BTW, I didn't hate them either. Speaking of comedy thanks for giving me a good laugh. It's quite entertaining.
What is Clutchcity?
Ha! I was wondering where do you sign up to get the auto likes with posts?What heat. Lol man you’re too freaking comical. Both you and the guy who likes everything you post. Dude this stuff is not that serious but your hate is known already these parts and probably on Clutchcity
Oh... the irony.
Well it seems like you've blamed Watson for everything since Rick left. You were blaming Rick since Kubiak left & you were blaming Kubiak when he was here.You know it's going to happen.
I'm not blaming DW4 for all that's wrong with the Texans. He's their beest player. (Part of the problem.) But he does share responsibility for this lost season and what's going to be a lost decade.
Yeah I know, been a member longer there than here. This I phone loves to auto correctIt’s actually cluthfans. Rockets BBS
Well it seems like you've blamed Watson for everything since Rick left. You were blaming Rick since Kubiak left & you were blaming Kubiak when he was here.
If Watson retired I'm sure you'll find someone
Ya know the old saying, the QB gets too much credit and too much blame. How do we apply that with the current situation?You know it's going to happen.
I'm not blaming DW4 for all that's wrong with the Texans. He's their beest player. (Part of the problem.) But he does share responsibility for this lost season and what's going to be a lost decade.
Ya know the old saying, the QB gets too much credit and too much blame. How do we apply that with the current situation?
Well it seems like you've blamed Watson for everything since Rick left. You were blaming Rick since Kubiak left & you were blaming Kubiak when he was here.
If Watson retired I'm sure you'll find someone
Watson is a top five qb surrounding by bottom five coaching and talent. Thus killing his top 5 status
That’s exactly his MO.
That's what I said. Cliff note versionNope
I blamed Rick because he wasn't good at his job. I blamed Kubiak because he was to conservative. I blamed BOB for being to conservative and said that he should've held onto Hopkins for 1 more yr.
I blamed Schaub for his inconsistencies after he got hurt. I said Os sucked from the 3rd game and I've said the Texans will never win a SB with DW4 because after next yr he's going to eat up to much cap room to put a team around him and although he's a good QB, he's not an elite top 5 QB.
Most of all since 2010 I've blamed the McNair's for this clusterfvck.
So to say I'm only blaming DW4 is not only wrong, but it's an attempt by some to try to make me look like I'm a racist because I disagree with them (I said some of the same things about Os but that's not good enough for the DW4 nuthuggers) and for them to call out posters who like my posts just make them look like the petty POS they are. (Not you)
Wait, he’s not responsible for a lost decade but I do agree he gets to take blame for this season also and he’s said as much himself.You know it's going to happen.
I'm not blaming DW4 for all that's wrong with the Texans. He's their beest player. (Part of the problem.) But he does share responsibility for this lost season and what's going to be a lost decade.
The truth is my MO.
Wait, he’s not responsible for a lost decade but I do agree he gets to take blame for this season also and he’s said as much himself.
Wait, he’s not responsible for a lost decade but I do agree he gets to take blame for this season also and he’s said as much himself.
The truth is not in you when it comes to certain players or management.
Well of course he does but let’s be real here for a split second or two. How many game winning drives did he have this season, only to watch JJ and his defense give it away? How is any of that his fault? And of course he’s going to say the political correct response. He’s a leader like that.
That's what I said. Cliff note version
I doubt itHis cap hit is what's going to lead to the lost decade even if he changes the way he plays.
I doubt it
I’m back. Have you looked through history to see what happens? Watson’s contract won’t be a problem.Take a look at history and get back with me.
I’m back. Have you looked through history to see what happens? Watson’s contract won’t be a problem.
Aaron Rodgers will probably do it this year.Yes I have and no QB making more than 13.2% of the cap has ever won a SB and I dont expect DW4 to be the guy to break this trend.
Take a look at history and get back with me.
Aaron Rodgers will probably do it this year.
still, neither you or I think this team will be contending for a Super bowl in 2021 or 2022. By the time 2023 comes around I’m sure his salary will be more in line with history
History.....is in the past. Unfortunately, history doesn't always identify the future. The Mahomes and Watson contracts have ushered in a new era in the pay level of top tier NFL QB's. That will not regress for QB's considered some of the best at their postion. As with every pay jump in the NFL......the league will adapt and move forward.
The league hasn't adapted since 1994.
That's over a quarter of a century worth of evidence.
Somebody will break through. (Probably Mahomes or Rodgers) But it hasn't happened yet and until it does then teams should prepare accordingly.
Aaron Rodgers will probably do it this year.
still, neither you or I think this team will be contending for a Super bowl in 2021 or 2022. By the time 2023 comes around I’m sure his salary will be more in line with history
You have to win games to be elite.
I'm going to say he needs to play better against top defenses and figure out a way to learn how to play better on 1st drives against ALL teams.
Question for you. For the sake of this discussion let’s talk QBs in general vs Watson specifically. How are QBs supposed to win games with the defense we’ve been trotting out there this year? We have no pass rush outside of Watt. We have DBs that can’t cover and blow assignments at a high rate. We run defensive schemes that allow teams to complete passes in the flats and run for 7-8 yds before encountering defenders. We are one of the worst run defenses in NFL history. I think these are facts vs opinions. I don’t know what Rodgers, Brady or Manning would do differently. For us to win games right now our offense has to play perfect football, and they haven’t. We’ve had terrible snaps by the center, WRs fumble the ball and drop catchable passes, T getting blown by like they’re standing still, ect ect.
For QBs to beat high level defenses a running game, or at least the threat of a running game would help. When there’s no need to worry about the run the DL can pin their ears back and rush with no fear of negative consequences. Play action isn’t anywhere near as effective so it’s harder to create space for receivers to operate. There’s no need for opposing defenses to load the box, allowing the safeties to stay back. Again, IMO, these are facts on FB in general.
How do you apply it to the current situation? In 2019 the Texans finished the regular season 10-6, won a playoff game and took a big lead into the 2nd quarter in KC in their second round match-up. The year before that, the Texans finished with a 11-5 record. Now they're 4-11. Did Watson regress or did something else happen?Ya know the old saying, the QB gets too much credit and too much blame. How do we apply that with the current situation?
How do you apply it to the current situation? In 2019 the Texans finished the regular season 10-6, won a playoff game and took a big lead into the 2nd quarter in KC in their second round match-up. The year before that, the Texans finished with a 11-5 record. Now they're 4-11. Did Watson regress or did something else happen?
We can either be drawn in by cliche's or use some common sense. The defense has been steadily regressing for a few years now. They gave up nearly 4300 yards passing yards and close to 2000 yards on the ground last season. The powers that be decided not only were they not going to add pieces to help that defense, they depleted it of talent once again. I wrote about the issues with the defense before the season began. I mean, how can you be so bad on defense for pretty much the back half of one season and say, "I like that, I'm going to try to keep THAT defense together".
But not helping the defense wasn't the only blunder, as we all know. They decided to trade one of the best receivers in the game while taking on a horrible contract attached to a reclamation project at RB. And up until week 14 that RB has been a massive failure.
TBH, I was pretty disappointed in Watson's 2019 campaign. He continued to hold onto the ball too long and created too many sacks. And I wrote when it happened, I liked Watson but I didn't think he was worth the price the Texans paid to move up in the 2017 draft to get him. But finally this season, Watson blossomed into the quarterback that I honestly didn't think he was capable of becoming. He's had an MVP season and I'm convinced he would be a front runner, maybe even winning it, if only the defense and running game was just average. No doubt in my mind about that.
In my estimation, any blame thrown at Watson for this "lost" season is unwarranted. That's just how I feel about it, if others think differently, that's fine. I will end with this - I don't think for a second any member here blames Watson for anything other than for his play. I don't believe anyone here hates Watson, or criticizes him because of who he is. It's purely football related. I disagree with their assessment of his play if they are to blame him for this crummy season, but that's it.
History.....is in the past. Unfortunately, history doesn't always identify the future. The Mahomes and Watson contracts have ushered in a new era in the pay level of top tier NFL QB's. That will not regress for QB's considered some of the best at their postion. As with every pay jump in the NFL......the league will adapt and move forward.
Holding the ball too long .... It's still happening. Remember the sack numbers I posted above 46% of plays he's holding the ball longer than 3 seconds? People just don't notice it because of the Houdini highlights and the other numbers appear so good. His highlights are spectacular and they are what we remember .... the OL's lowlights are pretty comical and the narrative is that they are bad on a high percentage of plays but that's not the case. Those are actually relatively rare but they are the plays that the Tweet monsters post to further their narrative.
Incidentally , he has one more sack this season thru 15 games than he did in 15 games last year 45/44. And an identical 8.2% sack rate.
Another incidental stat - All of his interceptions this year have come on plays where he held the ball greater than 3 seconds. 8 out of 12 picks last year came on 3+ second plays as well.
It's amazing how we finally have a star QB who is playing at an all-time high level and posters on this board continually try to tear him down. No wonder players don't take the fans seriously.Do you ever think you post the same information over...
...and over...
..and over again...without providing much in the way of context...to further your narrative?
Does anyone else find it odd that the same names that are invoked day-in/day-out (Rodgers, Wilson, Mahomes) as models of what Watson should aspire to be hold the ball longer than Watson and/or take sacks at a higher rate?
Let's take Rodgers for example. During the 2012 season, his numbers were fairly comparable to Watson's this season (39 TDs, 8 INTs, 4,295 yards, 108.0 passer rating) while getting sacked on 8.5% of his dropbacks. In fact, Rodgers has the lowest sack rate of his career this season (3.4%)--it only took him 13 seasons as an NFL starter to achieve a single season sack rate that is lower than Drew Brees' career sack rate (3.8%). Russell Wilson has been sacked on 8.4% of his dropbacks over the course of his entire career. These are features, not bugs, of these players because they have a more high risk/high reward style of play. And that's as much a function of the offense as it is the decision-making of the QBs. Josh Allen's sack rate has dropped from 7.7% last year to 4.4% this year and that is as much a credit to Brian Daboll's playcalling as it is to Allen.
And how silly is it to point out that his INTs have come when holding the ball more than 3 seconds? He only has 6. And he actually has the fewest turnover worthy throws of any QB according to PFF. Your argument would probably have some merit if he weren't taking good care of the football, but that's not the case. He's slinging the ball through tight windows all over the field while simultaneously minimizing the risk of turnovers.
It's amazing how we finally have a star QB who is playing at an all-time high level and posters on this board continually try to tear him down. No wonder players don't take the fans seriously.
It's amazing how we finally have a star QB who is playing at an all-time high level and posters on this board continually try to tear him down. No wonder players don't take the fans seriously.
Deshaun Watson, 2020 league-leading passer* will look great on his HOF resume.
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Why do you keep bringing me up? I don't hate anyone, even you, precious, little snowflake.What heat. Lol man you’re too freaking comical. Both you and the guy who likes everything you post. Dude this stuff is not that serious but your hate is known already these parts and probably on Clutchcity
Can we all take a moment to appreciate this. We finally have a QB that can win a championship. Now we need to rebuild the team around him.
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This one is just hanging out there, marinating in the hot sun...lol. I've had my arrow over the "like" prompt since you wrote it but I just can't pull the trigger....oh, the heck with it!Why do you keep bringing me up? I don't hate anyone, even you, precious, little snowflake.
Speaking of comical, digging your new screen name.
I am literally all for stuff this like, but I just got a post removed for less than this and was banned for two days recently. Either mods need to be more consistent or they need to leave me the **** alone.Why do you keep bringing me up? I don't hate anyone, even you, precious, little snowflake.
Speaking of comical, digging your new screen name.